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(08-23-2015 09:21 AM)dalbroker Wrote:  Not sure if this will help.

I have been to Philippines 4 times....racked up so many notches I
can not even count. Number of wife oriented girls - 2-3 total.

Curious what % did you meet through a local social circle or even day game?

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I have a knife in my gut that pains me to pass up on places like UA, Russia, Belarus, Baltics....

I think from everything I have read on here though over the years realistically as far as Europe is concerned, it would be significantly more difficult to find a proper girl in these countries and either live in that country or bring her back and have it work out compared to Poland, Romania, and Serbia. Maybe I am wrong?

I'd like to visit all these countries for at least a week scouting trip in the next 2-3 years. I need to cut somewhere.

How are Hungarian girls as far as wife material? I have read Budapest threads, never remember too much about their LTR potential.

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(05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!

WestIndianArchie Wrote:Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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(08-23-2015 12:28 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  
(08-22-2015 11:46 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  Mexico, hands down. Those girls are very loyal, feminine, and obviously sexy. I think loyal is the key when getting married, otherwise what's the point.

This is coming from someone who has lived in China, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

Not really sure on the Europeans.

There is no way that I would ever get married, but if for some reason I didn't have a choice, I have to agree with Mexico. Some of the some reasons that it is difficult for me to get girls there when I go there for just a week at a time, make it a good place to find a wife. I would say that the guys who are in a rush to marry Colombians and Venezuelans need their heads checked, but when you run the numbers, I think marriages in which American guys marry women from those two countries are much more successful than American/American marriages. The highest risk of having an unsuccessful marriage, at least among Latin American countries, would be to marry a Cuban. The upside to Cuba is that those marriages also give you the best chance at having kids who are successful at life (please no all Miami people are stupid stuff. If you doubt me, check the statistics).


I agree with others about Mexico hands down, EXCEPT for the age range you want, I wouldn't go with mexico city. It hasn't been talked about a lot on these threads but the mentality of the younger girls are changing. Between Social networking, big city mentality, and beta dudes of Mexico city, the girls have become neurotic. Speaking for myself, Northern Mexico is where i'd go looking, the smaller towns especially. You'll notice a completely different vibe compared to say DF. Northern girls are more feminine, taller and attractive with better bodies.

I've dated girls from both central and northern mexico and I can tell you it's like night and day. Northern girls apologize for being even 5 minutes late, always come out dressed to impress, even if it's to the grocery store, don't have as much of a "I worship europe/U.S" vibe and in my opinion embrace their mexican heritage/culture way more. JUST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don't do online dating, these women are not reflective of what Mexico has to offer in terms of relationships. Almost every girl I met in DF tells me how they are either feminist, can't wait to live in (insert major city) just because they want to be that big city girl on instagram etc. Granted I have met a few gems here, but it's rare, i'd say wifey material is 1/25-30 girls. Northern Mex maybe 1/5. Odds still better than the U.S.

It doesn't take long to build a good social circle either, when i'm in DF i usually roll solo because I don't mesh well with most guys personalities here. But in cities like Monterrey and Hermosillo, the guys are what you'd call more alpha. Friendship means a lot to them and they go out of their way to make sure you're comfortable in their city, steer you away from trouble and let you know flat out if a girl is a slut vs DF where I feel the guys just say she's hot i want her type. I could be wrong and don't want to offend any of you dudes from DF. But just my $0.02

Again if you chose Mex, stay the fuck away from online dating.

-CD
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(08-23-2015 11:19 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  (Age stuff)

Northern Mex maybe 1/5. Odds still better than the U.S.

I have heard Mexico age gap doesn't happen as often. 8-12 years doesn't even seem like a big deal in the U.S. to me, just a smart decision. Is Mexico really that tight with age differences or are you saying girls aren't looking to get locked down before 24yo?

So 80% of the girls there even are sluts, attention whores, not committed to building something? Or am I misreading.

From what I read it feels like the "better" wife countries would have a bit better odds like at least 1/3 if not 1/2 of girls that would strive to build a happy family.

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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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No not all of Mexico, i'm sure people who have been can tell you that each region is itself like it's own country. And taking into account the age range of it's different as well. For example: a 22 year old from Northern Mex will be completely different on average than a 22 year old from DF. Not 80% are sluts, i'm saying realistically if you meet 5 chicks in Northern Mex you'll probably mesh well with at least one. Depends on what personality you like. There is still a variety, but most sway in the direction of femininity, letting a man lead, keeping up personal appearance.

Hope this is making more sense now.

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(08-23-2015 07:22 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  
(08-22-2015 11:12 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Lawyers doing 10 hrs/week of consultations over Skype while jet setting around the world on their own schedule instead of having the life suck out of them and working themselves to an early heart attack working 80-90 hours/week for a firm back in the US/Canada.

I would have to see this in action in order to believe it. The only overseas lawyers (outside of top firms) working on US cases typically tend to be Indian document reviewers, or even drafters - they make nowhere near what you might think a lawyer makes. Even those guys in doc review sweatshops both foreign and domestic are at great risk of being eclipsed by the machines (computer software eliminating their jobs). I'm just not seeing how the average US-barred lawyer overseas can eek out more than bare subsistence at best, absent some very unusual niche and work arrangement.

But I like the overall approach - finding remote, decent paying and consistent work is challenging, to say the least. And as far as Asia, I would not recommend China for purely health reasons - the air quality in mainland China is like smoking a pack a day. Instead I'd pick Vietnam as it has plenty of desirable women with a very reasonable COL. I've seen IT jobs posted over there where you didn't even need to know the language - might be worth a look.

Good advice on not going online - way too many scams. The OP is also wise to consider a 7 versus an 8 or above, as the second a girl like that gets into the US and finds out you're just another Joe Blow with a half-decent job, she'll start social climbing almost immediately and leave you in the dust.

I think the fields of law where this can be performed would be extremely narrow. The better answer is to perform services for law firm where you have a unique advantage from being a lawyer.

Obvious examples include writing books on a specialty area, creating software, being a sort of legal assistant that lawyers can contact for advise on a practice area etc.

If I could bill 10 hours a week and collect it while abroad...I'd be on the next flight overseas and never look back!
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I know a couple of lawyers, one with 15 years experience who got sick and tired of the racket and just quit and is taking on clients on matter he wants while living overseas and doing consults over Skype. Another one, not as experienced, is using his Russian background and language skills and is targeting Russian clients and built a very successful service business helping Russian clients and translating legal documents from Russian to English and vice versa.

So if you have a unique skill such as language (say Mandarin/Cantonese, Russian, Arabic, Indian, German, Scandinavian languages, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Farsi, Portuguese, Spanish etc...) and target those. Gold mine!
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(08-23-2015 11:40 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  No not all of Mexico, i'm sure people who have been can tell you that each region is itself like it's own country. And taking into account the age range of it's different as well. For example: a 22 year old from Northern Mex will be completely different on average than a 22 year old from DF. Not 80% are sluts, i'm saying realistically if you meet 5 chicks in Northern Mex you'll probably mesh well with at least one. Depends on what personality you like. There is still a variety, but most sway in the direction of femininity, letting a man lead, keeping up personal appearance.

Hope this is making more sense now.

-CD

In the apartment building where I live now in the U.S. there's an engaged couple from Aguascalientes. I've never seen the fiancee not dressed up ultra-nice even when just getting groceries, she's always pleasant and polite with everyone, and when I've been out with them once or twice is always very respectful to her fiance. In other words seems like that perfect wife material, even after having been in the U.S. for several years there's no sign of any Americunt attitude.

Based on your experience in Northern Mexico if a girl is in the 22-25 age range how old of a guy is it generally "socially acceptable" for her to be settling down with? Of course game, lifestyle, resources etc will drastically effect the answer (e.g. el chapo) but for a well put together guy, is a 40ish y.o. man with an early to mid 20's girl way outside the norm?
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I'm following this thread with great interest. Although I'm not looking for a LTR anytime soon, I'm basically following the steps that VP (can't believe I hadn't repped him yet! +1) described in order to set up a portable lifestyle and visiting countries to find good women to be with.

I have different goals now, but will be using the same means to get there. I'm going to spend the next several years having my fun with all kinds of international women, but there's this question in my mind: what if I change my mind at age 45 and start wanting to get in a LTR and put down roots with her?

Thanks for starting this thread, Travesty.
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(08-23-2015 01:20 PM)Chevalier De Seingalt Wrote:  In the apartment building where I live now in the U.S. there's an engaged couple from Aguascalientes. I've never seen the fiancee not dressed up ultra-nice even when just getting groceries, she's always pleasant and polite with everyone, and when I've been out with them once or twice is always very respectful to her fiance. In other words seems like that perfect wife material, even after having been in the U.S. for several years there's no sign of any Americunt attitude.

I was planning on visiting DF and GDL initially. I haven't researched safety outside major cities in MEX.

Now this seems like it may be a bad idea. DF at least.

Anyone have insight on the current safety of Northern Mex (Monterrey and Hermosillo mentioned by coverdoc)?

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(05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!

WestIndianArchie Wrote:Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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(08-23-2015 01:20 PM)Chevalier De Seingalt Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 11:40 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  No not all of Mexico, i'm sure people who have been can tell you that each region is itself like it's own country. And taking into account the age range of it's different as well. For example: a 22 year old from Northern Mex will be completely different on average than a 22 year old from DF. Not 80% are sluts, i'm saying realistically if you meet 5 chicks in Northern Mex you'll probably mesh well with at least one. Depends on what personality you like. There is still a variety, but most sway in the direction of femininity, letting a man lead, keeping up personal appearance.

Hope this is making more sense now.

-CD

In the apartment building where I live now in the U.S. there's an engaged couple from Aguascalientes. I've never seen the fiancee not dressed up ultra-nice even when just getting groceries, she's always pleasant and polite with everyone, and when I've been out with them once or twice is always very respectful to her fiance. In other words seems like that perfect wife material, even after having been in the U.S. for several years there's no sign of any Americunt attitude.

Based on your experience in Northern Mexico if a girl is in the 22-25 age range how old of a guy is it generally "socially acceptable" for her to be settling down with? Of course game, lifestyle, resources etc will drastically effect the answer (e.g. el chapo) but for a well put together guy, is a 40ish y.o. man with an early to mid 20's girl way outside the norm?

From my experience it's not really a biggie anywhere from 20s up to mid 40's maybe even 50s. They tend to not care about dating up, but really hate dating down age wise. My chick at the time and I were leaving Monterrey flying to Queretaro when I saw an older dude from U.S with his wife/girlfriend and she was fucking banging. They were headed to Sanfran, he was clearly in his very late 30's early to mid 40s and she in her mid 20s. I ask my girl if she was a native and she said yeah. Chick was respectable, dressed the part and had a smile on her face the whole time.

Side note: for some reason mexican chicks love dressing up to catch a flight, you'll see some real stunners just walking around the airport.

In hermosillo, I saw a few older dudes with younger chicks. Thing is these dudes all gave off the demeanor that they weren't some sugar daddy chumps, dressed well, looked in shape and had money. I've seen plenty of instances where younger hot chicks with older guys. Go to Main entrance on a friday Night in Monterrey and check out all the older dudes with banging ass younger chicas. Can't do nothing, but bow my head in respect.

(08-23-2015 01:37 PM)Travesty Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 01:20 PM)Chevalier De Seingalt Wrote:  In the apartment building where I live now in the U.S. there's an engaged couple from Aguascalientes. I've never seen the fiancee not dressed up ultra-nice even when just getting groceries, she's always pleasant and polite with everyone, and when I've been out with them once or twice is always very respectful to her fiance. In other words seems like that perfect wife material, even after having been in the U.S. for several years there's no sign of any Americunt attitude.

I was planning on visiting DF and GDL initially. I haven't researched safety outside major cities in MEX.

Now this seems like it may be a bad idea. DF at least.

Anyone have insight on the current safety of Northern Mex (Monterrey and Hermosillo mentioned by coverdoc)?

I'll give you my $0.02 on the matter as i'm as gringo as it gets. I don't speak spanish well at all and I didn't know anybody when I first arrived to those cities. In hermosillo the chicas I went out on dates with were telling me that it's safe because no competition over drug territory, think i have that right as she was speaking spanglish. What I always always do whenever I travel to a new region is book one of the top 10 best rated hotels via trip advisor. These are usually in the safest area of town, and from there you can get a feel for the city. I always have a chica show me around and these girls will tell you which places are in town are safe and not. The city felt safe, just fucking hot as hell, average was like 107 in the shade. Midwest has a good write up that I followed and it was accurate.

As far as Monterrey, I only stay in San Pedro. Depending on who you talk to will determine your outlook on things. Some of my girls say places like centro MTY is dangerous at night while others say it's totally safe. The crime/drug related problems in monterrey has calmed down a bit in recent years but I still play it safe. If i'm unsure about somewhere I either don't go or ask like 2 or three people before I go. Kidnappings do occur, but from what my chica told me, is that they'd rather target the mexican businessman than an American visitor. Still just play it safe, I don't go to ATMs at night unless my hotel has one, i only frequent bars/clubs in nicest areas and i reach out to expats/couchsurfers for advice. I also only travel in the major Mex cities via Uber, it's more expensive than taxis but it's super safe as it's not regular people driving but actual companies that have drivers, who are required to wear button up/tie. This came in handy once here in DF, when my friend and I went to a titty bar by mistake thinking it was a night club and the uber driver told us to stay in the car and not to go in because they will scam us out of our money. Most also wait for you to go into where ever they dropped you off before driving away.

GDL i only spent 3 days in as I found it boring and my boy had to work. I hear it's getting dangerous, but honestly would punt this question to one of the other forum members who've been recently.

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I use mainly online game and target those with college degrees
and above.

I am not sure if you have been boots on the ground in these
areas yet....you will get a different impression when there.

For a LTR the last thing you want is a girl easily tempted by
other guys.....which is why Phily does not score well
in the LTR space for me. Esp not Manila where girls bang for
sport.

I had WAY too many married and girls with BF there want to
hook up with me to treat them seriously.

Something to think @ - the highest end girl I met there would
fly to SG to hook up with white guys. Why? There were many
"better looking" options there. LOL Another one would fly to BKK
to do the same thing.

The VN girls are more motivated to leave their country...but
I think would make much better wife material. My guess.
They seem hard working, sharp and family oriented.

If you want to find a LTR who "likes you for you" goto SG. SG
is MUCH harder to game than Phily or VN....but because of this
will yield a better LTR option.












(08-23-2015 10:58 AM)Travesty Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 09:21 AM)dalbroker Wrote:  Not sure if this will help.

I have been to Philippines 4 times....racked up so many notches I
can not even count. Number of wife oriented girls - 2-3 total.

Curious what % did you meet through a local social circle or even day game?
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^ What does SG stand for? Singapore?

Yeah I have met a few Singapore girls, even banged a native, though they are nice their personalities seem flat and I am not into the look at all.

It is like if you took an attractive Chinese girl then made her 2 points more plain in all areas. That is what a SG girl is to me.

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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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(08-23-2015 02:16 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ What does SG stand for?

Saigon, Vietnam... aka Ho Chi Minh city. I believe.
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I haven't been to Mexico, but SEA seems like a very good spot according to my experience. Before settling for a country, ask yourself the following questions:

- Are you willing to learn the language of the country (i.e. study full time for a while)?
- How easy is it to get citizenship / naturalization in that country?
- Can you own properties / other goods in that country without using her name?
- How easy is it for you to setup a location-independant income?

Also, in case you decide to bring her to USA, make sure that you got a solid agreement that won't bind you to paying her if she decides to leave you. Make sure that if she dumps you, she leaves with nothing.

If you are looking for the "perfect wife" (younger, virgin, complete family, college education), then online dating and club pulling won't be your best spot (although you can still use that for side-chicks). SEA has a way higher percentage of family-oriented virgin girls who are genuinely looking for marriage.

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SG = Singapore.

Trav...if you did not like the girls in SG you would
def not like Phily.

This last trip I went from 5 days in SG to Manila.
Noticed a HUGE drop in quality.

I do prefer the Chinese look...not a huge fan of the
darker filipinas.







(08-23-2015 02:16 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ What does SG stand for? Singapore?

Yeah I have met a few Singapore girls, even banged a native, though they are nice their personalities seem flat and I am not into the look at all.

It is like if you took an attractive Chinese girl then made her 2 points more plain in all areas. That is what a SG girl is to me.
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^ I will probably only end up trying the Phillipines if no other country sticks out to me before then. I think one of the ones I listed will though without a doubt.

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(08-22-2015 07:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I am going to Colombia for a month in November.
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My plan is to spend my vacation time over the next year on going to South America to scout incase I am granted the ability to remote in the future.

We have a few things in common. Look me up if you make it to Medellin during your Colombia trip.
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(08-23-2015 11:18 AM)Travesty Wrote:  How are Hungarian girls as far as wife material? I have read Budapest threads, never remember too much about their LTR potential.

In my experience some can be sweet, but I'd bet they have the highest average notch count in Europe.
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^ You mean mainland Europe?
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(08-25-2015 03:48 AM)JamesRodri Wrote:  Good post Travesty. Two countries stand out to me if you want a loyal life companion to start a family with. Romania and Ukraine.

Women in both countries really would love nothing more than to spend their life with one man it seems. At the same time they have ambition and the drive to make something of themselves. You rarely see that in SEA for example.

You also wouldn't have to worry about them cheating as much as you would with a Brazilian if that's something that worries you.

Ukrainian girls as "loyal"...?Confused

Loyal to themselves and their own ambition... as you rightfully added in your post...

In any case, can women with great "ambition and the drive to make something of themselves", really be good spouses and mothers? I doubt it.

As to Romania, well... beautiful country, nice people, yes, but... Romania has entered a "free-travel+free-settling" zone in Europe, which means its women can go work and live, and husband-hunt, freely all over the wealthy West: therefore, how could this country still be of prime interest for wife-hunting?
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To those who are suggesting (or are going to suggest) Eastern Europe/FSU, what's your opinion of the extremely high divorce rates there?
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(08-25-2015 05:04 AM)Vice Wrote:  To those who are suggesting (or are going to suggest) Eastern Europe/FSU, what's your opinion of the extremely high divorce rates there?


Great thread...I am not sure how I missed it as I am strongly considering this option now and have been scouting countries for this purpose the last few years.

I just spent the summer in Russia. Almost every girl I met has divorced parents. So it is one factor out of many. Other factors are their high intelligence, femininity, beauty and being cultured. Most girls play an instrument, write poetry, paint, or dance.

Meeting girls online is a great way to hit the ground running. However, the girls I met through daygame were significantly better. Be cautious about online girls as it is clear that their primary motivation is to leave the country.

I have spent time in the following countries with the mindset of meeting a woman for a LTR: Brazil, Colombia, Russia, Romania, Poland, Ukraine.

All of these countries have their pros and cons. In scouting a suitable country, you need to find the sweet spot...girls should be open to leaving their country but this shouldn't be their primary aim. Thus countries like Poland and Romania are generally not viable anymore as girls are able to move and work freely in Europe. There are some sweet girls in Ukraine but avoid meeting them online.

I agree with spending as much time in a country to learn the culture, language, and to throughly get to know the girl. However, for most of us this is an impossibility due to work and financial responsibilities. Make the best of your individual situation. Spend as much time as possible. If you meet a LTR prospect, invite her to spend time with you in the US on a tourist visa if possible.

Feel free to ask me questions

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Travesty, I agree with you when it comes to Vietnamese; some of the hottest girls in Asia. Heads up though if you are looking at marriage; Vietnamese are generally very sharp and you will run into a lot of girls who will run game on you if they sense you are looking for a wife.
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