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"This is very flawed thinking. You can find a non slutty 20-25 year old just like a 25-34 year old.

If a 25-34 is "serious" now and "done experimenting" out of her slutty phase guess what? You're essentially settling with someone who has already ridden the carousel. I sure as fuck wouldn't want any of that for any kind of relationship. I've boned and dated enough women in that age range to know it's a trap with many of them. They will throw on the princess peach act until you are financially or personally committed in a way where it's detrimental for you to change your mind.

The 25-34 range actually has lesser risk in the developing world than in the developed world. Good luck with that set in the developed world though that's some high stakes gambling you're doing there."

Although there's an amazing southern European girl in my life, I'm not wife hunting. The laws in the U.S. can really screw people with a decent income and assets. Marriage here is therefore always a kind of high stakes gamble.

The thing about 20-24 year olds is that they are essentially still girls. They lack the life experience to fully grasp the implications of being married. I married a girl in this age range when I was 30. She was not a slut and came from good family. But by the time she was 30, she regretted getting married so young.

A lot of guys think they are so alpha they will be able to lead a younger girl and keep her sweet and submissive forever. Maybe this is possible in certain countries, but in the West, I see this causing huge drama. I love a sweet 22 year old more than anything but look at it as a temporary phenomena.

I think its already been said, but you are much more likely to find a less spoiled girl who is a 6 or a 7 than an 8 or a 9. In my experience, after you are married a few years it won't matter anyway. Just make sure she has healthy habits and takes pride in her appearance because that will always matter. An elegant 70 year old is attractive to an 80 year old man. A fat slob is attractive to no one.
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^ Meeting a 20-24 year old in the West can work, from what I've seen though you need to be deeply ingrained in her social circle and you also have to slow play her meaning you date and keep her on edge for a good 3 years at least before proposing so she feels like she won you and doesn't get buyer's remorse, in fact maybe 5 years would be better. It takes a Western girl that long to feel invested.

Meeting a cute loving 21 year old here in the West from online, day game or whatever and minimally socializing with her friends then trying to marry her 2 years later is I agree a recipe for disaster. She would have to think you are the hottest guy she has ever been on a date with in all ways to have a remote chance. If she is a cute girl that probably isn't true with the amount of cock thrown at her since 13 years old.

I agree that the easiest and more surefire way to make things work in the West barring this is to do the 25+ route. It is aiming lower though.

It is tough to ingrain yourself as an older guy into a 22 year old's social life and family unless she is the old soul type that has older friends, siblings, and family members so I agree in the West it is a tall order, I think too tall hence I am looking elsewhere. This is why church actually makes sense because church is an all ages family environment where you do have a shot at legitimately ingraining yourself into her social fabric instead of being that older guy that Sally brings to hang out.

If all this fails I can always come back here to the good 'ole U.S. and lock down a 26 year old when I am 34 or 35 hah. Why do I want to laugh when I say that? Seriously read that last sentence and try not to smile a bit. You can't.

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Not sure if I've seen it suggested in this thread, but what about Morocco for finding a wife?
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(10-13-2015 09:28 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Not sure if I've seen it suggested in this thread, but what about Morocco for finding a wife?

I talked to this former Jew who had "converted" to Islam and married several women in an Islamic country.

This was years ago, before the 911 attacks, he vigorously warned me against it.

Some muslims view the favors of women as a zero sum item, if you get a muslim it is like stealing someone's horse.

I believe somewhere in the writings of Islam, leaving the Muslim religion is considered punishable by death. Mohammed was a politician and warlord, not a nice guy like Christ.

You are venturing into some very primitive areas. Even if the odds are 1/4 of 1% someone will murder you, it's not worth it as far as I'm concerned.


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(10-13-2015 12:24 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Some muslims view the favors of women as a zero sum item, if you get a muslim it is like stealing someone's horse.

Well, I usually stay out of religious discussions and this would be no exception. But I'll say this... if I don't find a wife by my mid-40s, I might just marry a Muslim woman and she'd fit right in with my family because my family comes from a Muslim heritage.

So... in that case, I'd be more worried about her getting corrupted by degenerative feminism than some Muslim guy whimpering that I "stole someone's horse", figuratively speaking.
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Travesty, have you looked into IMBRA? And how it may affect your marriage plans? I am curious if this will be a problem.

I have done a little reading and I am deeply concerned with the implications of this liberal/statist regulation. It is thick with the assumption that women are just poor little victims of evil American men. It appears to be a deeply intrusive set of regulations that enter into the free association of two adults in their personal lives. Under the guise of preventing human trafficking (which is almost non-existent in the US by the way). It also requires specific information on the American's marital history, current marital status, court orders and restraing orders, his children their ages, where they live, and on and on.

This is some serious shit. Just think about this. International marriages are quite possibly the most successful category in the US. Running at over an 80% success rate. At the same time, domestic marriages are a fucking disaster, infidelity, violence, broken homes, single parenting, drug abuse, on and on. But where does the government focus their energy and heavy hand of oversight on? The only part that appears to be working, international marriages.

Amazing.

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(10-12-2015 01:29 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ Meeting a 20-24 year old in the West can work, from what I've seen though you need to be deeply ingrained in her social circle and you also have to slow play her meaning you date and keep her on edge for a good 3 years at least before proposing so she feels like she won you and doesn't get buyer's remorse, in fact maybe 5 years would be better. It takes a Western girl that long to feel invested.

Meeting a cute loving 21 year old here in the West from online, day game or whatever and minimally socializing with her friends then trying to marry her 2 years later is I agree a recipe for disaster. She would have to think you are the hottest guy she has ever been on a date with in all ways to have a remote chance. If she is a cute girl that probably isn't true with the amount of cock thrown at her since 13 years old.

I agree that the easiest and more surefire way to make things work in the West barring this is to do the 25+ route. It is aiming lower though.

It is tough to ingrain yourself as an older guy into a 22 year old's social life and family unless she is the old soul type that has older friends, siblings, and family members so I agree in the West it is a tall order, I think too tall hence I am looking elsewhere. This is why church actually makes sense because church is an all ages family environment where you do have a shot at legitimately ingraining yourself into her social fabric instead of being that older guy that Sally brings to hang out.

If all this fails I can always come back here to the good 'ole U.S. and lock down a 26 year old when I am 34 or 35 hah. Why do I want to laugh when I say that? Seriously read that last sentence and try not to smile a bit. You can't.

In NE Brazil you can still lock down 18 to 21 yr olds at 35. Though you have to speak Portuguese.
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Sort of a tangent but stumbled across some article a while ago and companies like Anastasia generate $100M plus in revenues. Now I know there are a lot of scams, but what is so hard about establishing a dating agency? Obviously, you need some boots on the ground but I feel a legit service could make enough coin to live well abroad. Meaning you live there in case that wasn't clear.

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(11-03-2015 01:06 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Sort of a tangent but stumbled across some article a while ago and companies like Anastasia generate $100M plus in revenues. Now I know there are a lot of scams, but what is so hard about establishing a dating agency? Obviously, you need some boots on the ground but I feel a legit service could make enough coin to live well abroad. Meaning you live there in case that wasn't clear.

I am in Fortaleza, Brazil now. Ukraine or Russia can seem like a scam when you get the love from garotas.
Better wives are made in Brazil.
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(11-03-2015 02:26 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 01:06 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Sort of a tangent but stumbled across some article a while ago and companies like Anastasia generate $100M plus in revenues. Now I know there are a lot of scams, but what is so hard about establishing a dating agency? Obviously, you need some boots on the ground but I feel a legit service could make enough coin to live well abroad. Meaning you live there in case that wasn't clear.

I am in Fortaleza, Brazil now. Ukraine or Russia can seem like a scam when you get the love from garotas. *
Better wives are made in Brazil.

Doh! I am learning Russian!I guess I would just lean on my Spanish which probably doesn't help me that much.

I was thinking the other day, how hard would it be to start a legit service. I know myself too well that I wouldn't be peaceful if I felt like I tried to screw people over. Heavy vetting on both sides. There are some pretty fucked up guys out there also.

* garota means girl if anyone is curious. I looked it up.

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I'm curious. Assuming they don't know English, can Portuguese-speaking Brazilians understand Spanish?

I ask because a Portuguese guy once made an offhand comment that people from Portugal know Spanish, but Spanish people don't know any Portuguese. I wonder if that applies to Brazil as well.
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(11-03-2015 04:23 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I'm curious. Assuming they don't know English, can Portuguese-speaking Brazilians understand Spanish?

I ask because a Portuguese guy once made an offhand comment that people from Portugal know Spanish, but Spanish people don't know any Portuguese. I wonder if that applies to Brazil as well.

Most, if not all, Brazilians can understand Spanish fairly well. Most, when they try to speak Spanish, it doesn't sound that great and can be a little difficult to understand. I have met Brazilians and Portuguese people who speak Spanish with little or no accent. I had some Brazilian guy come into my office a couple weeks ago and it took me a few minutes to even realize that Spanish wasn't his first language. Very impressive.
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(11-03-2015 04:28 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Most, if not all, Brazilians can understand Spanish fairly well. Most, when they try to speak Spanish, it doesn't sound that great and can be a little difficult to understand. I have met Brazilians and Portuguese people who speak Spanish with little or no accent. I had some Brazilian guy come into my office a couple weeks ago and it took me a few minutes to even realize that Spanish wasn't his first language. Very impressive.

That's a relief to know, because if I ever find myself in Brazil, I can probably get by with my intermediate Spanish and my handy google-translate app without having to deal with that tricky Portuguese pronunciation.
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(11-03-2015 03:37 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 02:26 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 01:06 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Sort of a tangent but stumbled across some article a while ago and companies like Anastasia generate $100M plus in revenues. Now I know there are a lot of scams, but what is so hard about establishing a dating agency? Obviously, you need some boots on the ground but I feel a legit service could make enough coin to live well abroad. Meaning you live there in case that wasn't clear.

I am in Fortaleza, Brazil now. Ukraine or Russia can seem like a scam when you get the love from garotas. *
Better wives are made in Brazil.

Doh! I am learning Russian!I guess I would just lean on my Spanish which probably doesn't help me that much.

I was thinking the other day, how hard would it be to start a legit service. I know myself too well that I wouldn't be peaceful if I felt like I tried to screw people over. Heavy vetting on both sides. There are some pretty fucked up guys out there also.

* garota means girl if anyone is curious. I looked it up.

I tend to agree. There is actually one site that is known for being legit, and is huge. it is called Elenas Models. I believe they have made a ton of money on their anti scam angle. They tout their anti scam stuff all of the time. It was started by a Russian woman named Elena of course. And she has been doing it for quite some time.

I have perused the site and they do have quite a few hotties on there. And they do get individual scammers and pro daters on there occasionally but they do a lot of checking of the girls before allowing them. And if you suspect anyone you can report them and they are off the site.

Also they give lots of advice on how to spot and avoid the scammers. One good way to spot a scam website is all the women are hot and no one every refuses your advances.

Warning though most women on there are looking for marriage and children.

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(11-03-2015 04:39 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  Warning though most women on there are looking for marriage and children.

lol isn't this the wife hunting abroad thread? Big Grin

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(11-03-2015 04:39 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  I tend to agree. There is actually one site that is known for being legit, and is huge. it is called Elenas Models. I believe they have made a ton of money on their anti scam angle. They tout their anti scam stuff all of the time. It was started by a Russian woman named Elena of course. And she has been doing it for quite some time.

I have perused the site and they do have quite a few hotties on there. And they do get individual scammers and pro daters on there occasionally but they do a lot of checking of the girls before allowing them. And if you suspect anyone you can report them and they are off the site.

Also they give lots of advice on how to spot and avoid the scammers. One good way to spot a scam website is all the women are hot and no one every refuses your advances.

Warning though most women on there are looking for marriage and children.

The catch with sites like Elenas Models is that the women don't pay, while you do. Knowing what we know about how women like attention as much as men like sex, how much sex or marriage do you think these women will provide when the attention doesn't require them to provide it?
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As far as wife hunting goes......the 3 countries that would make my list are Brazil, Ukraine and Russia.
Colombia doesn't make it because the personalities of the girls, in general, do not lend themselves for being good wife material, in comparison to the 3 previously mentioned countries.
I was surprised that in NE Brazil, you can still get good 18 to 19 yr. old girls, if you speak Portuguese. None speak English and I would keep it that way, if I wanted to marry one. The value of a foreign man is still pretty high in the North East and the Interior.
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(11-04-2015 06:49 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  As far as wife hunting goes......the 3 countries that would make my list are Brazil, Ukraine and Russia.
Colombia doesn't make it because the personalities of the girls, in general, do not lend themselves for being good wife material, in comparison to the 3 previously mentioned countries.
I was surprised that in NE Brazil, you can still get good 18 to 19 yr. old girls, if you speak Portuguese. None speak English and I would keep it that way, if I wanted to marry one. The value of a foreign man is still pretty high in the North East and the Interior.

Could you please tell us a little bit more about these NE Brazil women. Ethnicity especially, also looks and attitude, and income? (generalizing a little bit in the process, no problem with that)
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I would probably live in Fortaleza 6 months of the year, if it weren't for the obesity epidemic. It is pretty bad, though not yet at US levels. Unlike 4 years ago, you see a lot of decent looking dudes dating down.
Though what hasn't changed that much is the Brazilian feminine attitude, that is the best in world IMO.
After being in Barranquilla, Colombia, you notice how the girls in NE Brazil are warmer, more caring, affectionate, cooler, less flaky, great in bed, more genuine. My only problem has been avoiding the fatties. But I've had enough choices online that most of my dates have been with in shape young 7s. And two 18 yr. olds, who are definitely girlfriend material compared to the ones I was banging in Colombia.
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As a Mexican myself, I'll add my 2 cents and make the case for Mexico.

1. Women are feminine

Machismo in Mexico is still the norm, and even though feminism has made its way down south over the years, people still adhere to the teachings of the old Catholic church (virgin of Guadalupe). This is still one of the world's most catholic countries and take religion seriously.


2. Mexican women are loyal

Mexican women will ride and die with you, will wash and iron your clothes, will have meals ready for you when you go and come back from work. Will be great mothers for your children. If she finds out you were creeping, she will look the other way and blame it on the woman and call her a fucking slut.

They will rarely cheat on you once you get married with them.

(both my father and grandfather would cheat on my mother and grandmother all the time and all the time they would look the other way. No joke. They called my grandfather "El Macho")


3. Mexican women are sweethearts


They love that novela shit and love imitating novelas. They love calling you "papi, mi amor, carino, te amo". If that doesn't make your dick hard then I don't know what will. It sure beats "babe, honey" and whatever else American women like to say.


4. They know how to cook.

Cooking in Mexico is generational and everything is passed down from generation to generation and this goes with cooking. A Mexican woman most likely learned to cook from her mother and grandmother etc... If the women wants to hone their skills they take cooking classes to learn and prepare themselves to be wives.


5. They actually love being women.

Mexican girls got serious make up skills. They love looking good everywhere they go. They love wearing tight jeans to show off their ass on the street.

Think Ines Sainz

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I remember I was living in Guadalajara a few years ago and I made friends with 3 Argentinian girl exchange students who came to Guadalajara for university and they told me that the biggest differences between Argie girls and Mexican girls to them was that Mexican girls took care of their appearance better and paid attention to detail in terms of their hair, their nails, their lipstick, etc... where as in Argentina, according to the 3 Argie girls, is a little more relaxed.



6. They are very knowledgeable about health.

Mexican women are the best when it comes to home remedies. Everything from teas to honey to vaseline, vaporub, alka-sezter, baking soda, manzanilla, soda water, garlic, tequila, everything.


7. They're fucking hot

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Some cons

1. You marry the whole family

If it looks like your in a long term relationship with a Mexican woman, get ready for her mother and father to ask you when the wedding is.


2. If you want to bring her to America she might turn feminist by living in the U.S. with you overtime. It will be like a revelation for her with all this "women empowerment" surrounding her.

3. She might not know English, and good look making it in America without English.

4. If she's educated in Mexico, her degree would be pretty much worthless in America as only American and European degrees prevail.

5. Mexican food might give you gastritis and its not the healthiest.
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(11-04-2015 08:00 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  I would probably live in Fortaleza 6 months of the year, if it weren't for the obesity epidemic. It is pretty bad, though not yet at US levels. Unlike 4 years ago, you see a lot of decent looking dudes dating down.
Though what hasn't changed that much is the Brazilian feminine attitude, that is the best in world IMO.
After being in Barranquilla, Colombia, you notice how the girls in NE Brazil are warmer, more caring, affectionate, cooler, less flaky, great in bed, more genuine. My only problem has been avoiding the fatties. But I've had enough choices online that most of my dates have been with in shape young 7s. And two 18 yr. olds, who are definitely girlfriend material compared to the ones I was banging in Colombia.

Do you recommend Fortaleza over Belo Horizonte if you had to choose one for a two week stay to sample Brazilian girls with the best qualities for long term?

Or just plain, where would you recommend for a 2 week visit for this purpose in Brazil?

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(11-04-2015 11:11 AM)La Raza Unida Wrote:  ...

Great post, how do you stop them from getting fat after the first kid is my only question?

Mexican American girls are almost universally fat after 23, let alone after the first kid (usually happens by 23 anyways).

Mexico by far as an American seems the most logical, the fat thing is scary because it isn't "every woman puts on a few lbs over the years", no it is usually muy gorda.

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RE: Wife Hunting Abroad
Been thinking more about Bosnia, Albania, Slovakia, and Montenegro recently.

Anyone have experiences with friends or yourself wiving or dating these girls long term? They seem like the non-status monger version of UA and Russian chicks, and non-slut versions of Polish, Czech, and Hungarian chicks relatively speaking.

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RE: Wife Hunting Abroad
(11-04-2015 01:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 11:11 AM)La Raza Unida Wrote:  ...

Great post, how do you stop them from getting fat after the first kid is my only question?

Mexican American girls are almost universally fat after 23, let alone after the first kid (usually happens by 23 anyways).

Mexico by far as an American seems the most logical, the fat thing is scary because it isn't "every woman puts on a few lbs over the years", no it is usually muy gorda.


Yeah, a lot of them do get fucking gordas to the max. That's one thing I really hate, and if you call them out on it, they blame it on the fact they had a kid or two.

My suggestion is from the very beginning to show her that you're serious about working out and maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Set the frame and let her know that your family is going to be all about exercising and maintaining a good health. In the end you're the leader and she's the follower and the woman will take on your ideology.
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RE: Wife Hunting Abroad
(11-04-2015 01:40 PM)Travesty Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 08:00 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  I would probably live in Fortaleza 6 months of the year, if it weren't for the obesity epidemic. It is pretty bad, though not yet at US levels. Unlike 4 years ago, you see a lot of decent looking dudes dating down.
Though what hasn't changed that much is the Brazilian feminine attitude, that is the best in world IMO.
After being in Barranquilla, Colombia, you notice how the girls in NE Brazil are warmer, more caring, affectionate, cooler, less flaky, great in bed, more genuine. My only problem has been avoiding the fatties. But I've had enough choices online that most of my dates have been with in shape young 7s. And two 18 yr. olds, who are definitely girlfriend material compared to the ones I was banging in Colombia.

Do you recommend Fortaleza over Belo Horizonte if you had to choose one for a two week stay to sample Brazilian girls with the best qualities for long term?

Or just plain, where would you recommend for a 2 week visit for this purpose in Brazil?

In 2 weeks in BH there is a chance you want bang any girls, while in Fortaleza my numbers are up to Colombian levels.
I am sure the obesity epidemic has not hit as hard in Belo Horizonte as in Fortaleza. Though in both you will have to speak Portuguese to find plenty of sweethearts.
One difference is here in Fortaleza, I am still mostly going out with 18 to 24. I was in Belo Horizonte 5 years ago, and the average age I banged was around 27. The 18 to 24s were pretty damn hard.
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