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(07-10-2018 03:12 PM)semibaron Wrote:  IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.

Unfortunately the environment plays almost no role in intelligence unless they are malnurished.

So your idea would only work if your Colombian wife was smart. Since Colombia has an average IQ of about 85 (1 standard deviation below the mean), then only about 15% of Colombians will have an IQ over 100. Essentially it just limits your pool of wife candidates. That being said if you go shopping at a university then their won’t be much of an issue.
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As Cam Newton explained, it's not the IQ of the wife/partner that worries me, it's the potential offspring from marriage that may be relatively disadvantaged as there is a strong hereditary factor involved.

I am not arguing that IQ is the be all and end all of barometers in success prediction, but empirical data does suggest a correlation. If you look at the most developed countries in the world VS the least, it literally illustrates an IQ top to bottom ranking. The question of whether it is the less developed environment that contributed to the relatively lower IQ, or the other way around, is like asking "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?"

The idea of finding a wife who is a loyal, loving individual that will complement your lifestyle is one part of the equation. If you consider the possibility of having kids, then the IQ element, as well as others that may be hereditary, will come into play. For example, if you have children with an Asian woman, your children will likely carry the "youthful gene" that many Asians carry, delaying the wall in the future. If you breed with a Latina and have a girl, she will mostly likely be more voluptuous, but may end up a little shorter, and gain a bit more weight once she passes the 30 mark.

All of this may sound exaggerated in part, and yes I do appreciate the simpler pleasures that a relatively lower IQ individual may ignite in me, but they are nonetheless factors that a man may consider when evaluating the possibility of marriage and children.
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(07-10-2018 03:58 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 03:12 PM)semibaron Wrote:  IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.

Unfortunately the environment plays almost no role in intelligence unless they are malnurished.

So your idea would only work if your Colombian wife was smart. Since Colombia has an average IQ of about 85 (1 standard deviation below the mean), then only about 15% of Colombians will have an IQ over 100. Essentially it just limits your pool of wife candidates. That being said if you go shopping at a university then their won’t be much of an issue.

So how does it work with kids, is the starting point for expectation simply the midpoint of the two parents? Meaning let's say a guy with 120 IQ and a woman with 90 IQ have a child, would the child be expected to have an IQ of 105? Is a boy more likely to trend towards the father's intelligence and a girl towards the mother's? Honestly curious about how this works.

One other thing to consider--having the ability to speak 2 or more languages natively could help make up (in terms of future career/social potential) for some of the IQ disadvantage your children with a low-IQ woman would be at. Of course, it has to be the right second language--no one cares about Tagalog, English/Spanish is probably too common to set anyone apart professionally (although it'd still be beneficial socially), and Mandarin/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese/Russian aren't going to put the kid at an IQ disadvantage--but something like Portuguese, Thai, or French (thinking Africa) could be a nice combination of utility and relative differentiation. Again, both languages spoken natively in the home growing up (and this presumes you learn the woman's language enough to at least be conversational in the home and with her family, even if you're not fully fluent).

Also, Latin women in particular can be ditzy and flaky, which often makes them come off as less intelligent than they actually are IMO. Those traits won't necessarily pass to a child depending on where the child grows up.

A family member of mine married a Mexican woman (he's very smart, she's probably average US intelligence) and they have three kids, his job also took them to Korea for about 3 years while the kids were elementary school aged. The kids are something like 13/10/8 now and every time I see them I ride their ass to keep their Korean up, passable Korean combined with native English/Spanish will open a ton of doors for them.
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(07-10-2018 10:20 PM)San Luis Wrote:  As Cam Newton explained, it's not the IQ of the wife/partner that worries me, it's the potential offspring from marriage that may be relatively disadvantaged as there is a strong hereditary factor involved.

I am not arguing that IQ is the be all and end all of barometers in success prediction, but empirical data does suggest a correlation. If you look at the most developed countries in the world VS the least, it literally illustrates an IQ top to bottom ranking. The question of whether it is the less developed environment that contributed to the relatively lower IQ, or the other way around, is like asking "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?"

The idea of finding a wife who is a loyal, loving individual that will complement your lifestyle is one part of the equation. If you consider the possibility of having kids, then the IQ element, as well as others that may be hereditary, will come into play. For example, if you have children with an Asian woman, your children will likely carry the "youthful gene" that many Asians carry, delaying the wall in the future. If you breed with a Latina and have a girl, she will mostly likely be more voluptuous, but may end up a little shorter, and gain a bit more weight once she passes the 30 mark.

All of this may sound exaggerated in part, and yes I do appreciate the simpler pleasures that a relatively lower IQ individual may ignite in me, but they are nonetheless factors that a man may consider when evaluating the possibility of marriage and children.

You are wise to consider carefully the kind of woman you marry and have kids with.

IQ and "genetics" are overrated.

IQ tests are just a single measure of cognitive ability that can be measured on paper and have nothing to do with real world results. There are so many other abilities that trump IQ.

There are plenty of people of who fail in the classroom but succeed in real life. (Thomas Edison-kicked out of 3rd grade because he was not "intelligent" enough. Albert Einstein hated classroom education and left high school)

There are plenty of people with street smarts who trump those high IQ people in real life.

There are many of my fellow engineering students whose grades were way lower than mine who are excellent engineers.

There is no "Latina gene" for gaining weight after having kids and turning 30. This is all lifestyle. (I can introduce you a Latina with a slim killer body after three kids)

There are Asian American women who gain weight after turning 30 and having kids. They may have a smaller body frame genetically but they still can pack on the pounds.

"The wall" is a result of lifestyle. Latinas tend to overeat bad food. Asians tend to eat less and eat higher quality food.

Yes, genetics do determine the potential to be "voluptuous" or not. Body size and proportions are largely determined by genetics.

What the "experts" consider genetic problems are often found by other experts to be poor prenatal nutrition...these other experts are those who do not have a financial interest in treating the problems.

Real life conditions and habits are what determine happiness and success.
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(07-10-2018 03:58 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 03:12 PM)semibaron Wrote:  IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.

Unfortunately the environment plays almost no role in intelligence unless they are malnurished.

So your idea would only work if your Colombian wife was smart. Since Colombia has an average IQ of about 85 (1 standard deviation below the mean), then only about 15% of Colombians will have an IQ over 100. Essentially it just limits your pool of wife candidates. That being said if you go shopping at a university then their won’t be much of an issue.

I vehemently disagree with this and with Charles Murray-the author of The Bell Curve.

First of all, unless every single person in Colombia was given a standard IQ test, these numbers are irrelevant.

Bachelor of Arts Degree/Ph.D holders like Charles Murray throw around terms like bell curves, standard deviations, etc. to make their non-scientific pseudo-intellectual dissertations sound more "scientific" and sell more books.

A normal distribution (commonly called "a bell curve") is only accurate for a specific type of data with specific results such as the roll of dice, a coin toss, the occurrence of blue eyes in a given population, etc.

Psychologists and other pseudo-scientific academic disciplines can find "bell curves" where none actually exist.
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(07-11-2018 11:41 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 03:58 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 03:12 PM)semibaron Wrote:  IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.

Unfortunately the environment plays almost no role in intelligence unless they are malnurished.

So your idea would only work if your Colombian wife was smart. Since Colombia has an average IQ of about 85 (1 standard deviation below the mean), then only about 15% of Colombians will have an IQ over 100. Essentially it just limits your pool of wife candidates. That being said if you go shopping at a university then their won’t be much of an issue.

So how does it work with kids, is the starting point for expectation simply the midpoint of the two parents? Meaning let's say a guy with 120 IQ and a woman with 90 IQ have a child, would the child be expected to have an IQ of 105? Is a boy more likely to trend towards the father's intelligence and a girl towards the mother's? Honestly curious about how this works.

OK, so the simple version is, yes, take the average IQ of the parents and the kids' IQ's will be bundled in that area (according to the 70% correlation of IQ in adults to their parents IQ). By "bundled in that area" I mean the IQs will almost always be within 15 points, and often with 10 points. More precise probabilities can be calculated, if that interests you.

However this is a simplification. There are other phenomena which we know that contribute to IQ. One is regression towards the mean (or average). This is when one, or both, of your parents have a significantly different IQ then their immediate family, the offspring's IQ will be "pushed" towards the average IQ of the close family members. For example if you're an outlier in your family with an IQ of 150 and your siblings have IQs in the 120s (this big of a gap is rare), then your kids' IQs will most likely regress towards the 120s (but not necessarily all the way there, just in that direction). Conversely, if your parent(s) has a learning disability and has a much lower IQ than their siblings, then your IQ will move closer to your aunts/uncles IQs.

Another small contributor may be hybrid vigor. Which is what happens when one side of the family has low genetic diversity, then suddenly has children with someone who is genetically diverse to them. This typically happens in cousin marriages (in the Islamic world primarily), and in small towns. In these small towns, even though your two grandparents may not be cousins, they may be as genetically related as two cousins would be (sharing 1/8 of their genes) due to the family breeding within the small town of 400 people for hundreds of years. As soon as that "less genetically diverse" family member breeds with someone from another town, the kids genetic quality may shoot up. Some interesting studies have shown that the height of 1st generation European immigrants (to say America) is correlated with the distance between the cities of their grandparents. However, this effect would be more impactful the more inbreeding in one side of the family. There haven't been very many studies studying the effect of IQ on hybrid vigor, although Bob Trivers (pioneer in evolutionary biology) explains it the way I have above.

A large contributor may be the Flynn effect. This is the observation that IQ has been increasing by about 10 points every 30 years for the past 100 years, or so. The reason for this is unclear. One contributor may be the decrease in environmental toxins such as lead. Another contributor may be increasing complexity of society - thus improving the cognitive environment of the children. However, we haven't been able to confirm that the "cognitive environment" plays any role in IQ. We've tried large educational projects helping out the lower class which completely failed to increase IQ. Also, adoption studies show how little the effect of the "cognitive environment" really is on adult IQ. Some people think the Flynn effect may be slowing down, or is stopped, but we don't really know right now. Also, just because we haven't found the effect of the "cognitive environment" on IQ, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Then there are negative ways to impact IQ, like malnutrition, heavy metal toxicity, etc.

Buja Wrote:IQ tests are just a single measure of cognitive ability that can be measured on paper and have nothing to do with real world results. There are so many other abilities that trump IQ.

There are plenty of people of who fail in the classroom but succeed in real life. (Thomas Edison-kicked out of 3rd grade because he was not "intelligent" enough. Albert Einstein hated classroom education and left high school)

vehemently disagree with this and with Charles Murray-the author of The Bell Curve.

First of all, unless every single person in Colombia was given a standard IQ test, these numbers are irrelevant.

Bachelor of Arts Degree/Ph.D holders like Charles Murray throw around terms like bell curves, standard deviations, etc. to make their non-scientific pseudo-intellectual dissertations sound more "scientific" and sell more books.

A normal distribution (commonly called "a bell curve") is only accurate for a specific type of data with specific results such as the roll of dice, a coin toss, the occurrence of blue eyes in a given population, etc.

Psychologists and other pseudo-scientific academic disciplines can find "bell curves" where none actually exist.

I will briefly respond as to not derail this thread too much, although I think this topic is very important for people considering having a family.

IQ absolutely has a major impact in real life. Hundreds of studies, with millions of people (collectively) show this. IQ is a larger impact on life "success" than anything else we can measure; including the big 5 traits, and other not as successful ways of measuring people.

You gave two examples, if you want to know the actual effect of IQ you must look at large studies. However even those examples can be explained. First of all, IQ may be only 30% heritable in childhood, but 70% heritable in adulthood. So just like someone can be a "late bloomer" when it comes to height, someone can be a "late bloomer" when it comes to IQ (up until say 21 years old or so). Another reason, specially for Einstein is that people who are WAY smarter than everyone in their classes, even their teachers, will likely hate high school. They often won't enjoy school until it actually challenges them - which is up to the parents and teachers.

As far as ability to be good at your job - IQ and the big 5 trait conscientiousness (hard-work, industriousness, etc) play large roles. For jobs that require constant learning IQ is the king. For jobs that are more routine (and yes, a good chunk of engineering jobs are routine) then conscientiousness plays a larger role than IQ.

As to your last points, the only controversial statement in the bell curve is that the differences in IQ are, most likely, in part genetically caused. The fact that IQ differs between races, or countries, and is normally distributed (bell curve) is not controversial AT ALL. We've had millions of people do IQ tests (via studies, military, etc) and hundreds of millions of people complete tests that are strongly correlated to IQ, like the wonderlic test, and standardized tests, like the SAT, that many large countries use. IQ is distributed on a bell curve, that's a fact.
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I can’t wait to knock up a low IQ Colombiana and have half retarded niños.

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(07-10-2018 03:12 PM)semibaron Wrote:  IQ is really the least of the problems. If you raise your half Colombian kids in your home country in a functioning environment, they will become just as smart as you.
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(07-10-2018 03:58 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  I will briefly respond as to not derail this thread too much, although I think this topic is very important for people considering having a family.

I believe this discussion is not derailing the topic at all, as you mentioned it is a very important issue for people considering a family. Your insight upon IQ studies is also highly appreciated.

(07-11-2018 03:12 PM)buja Wrote:  I vehemently disagree with this and with Charles Murray-the author of The Bell Curve.

First of all, unless every single person in Colombia was given a standard IQ test, these numbers are irrelevant.

Though I agree that it is possible that bell curves and statistics can be used by so called academic intellectuals like Murray to falsely reinforce the "scientific" side of their argument, sample sizes do exist for a reason and it is not feasible to expect that all Colombians needed an IQ test to prove the hypothesis outlined. Scientific studies and the very backbone of statistics would be fundamentally flawed if that holds true. I am sure the entire US population is not surveyed for their income levels for example, but it does not render false the statement that, median/average income in America is > that of the average African for instance.


(07-11-2018 02:58 PM)buja Wrote:  There are plenty of people with street smarts who trump those high IQ people in real life.

There is no "Latina gene" for gaining weight after having kids and turning 30. This is all lifestyle. (I can introduce you a Latina with a slim killer body after three kids)

There are Asian American women who gain weight after turning 30 and having kids. They may have a smaller body frame genetically but they still can pack on the pounds.

"The wall" is a result of lifestyle. Latinas tend to overeat bad food. Asians tend to eat less and eat higher quality food.

Real life conditions and habits are what determine happiness and success.

Obviously there are Latinas who maintain their shape after 30, and Asians who look like 50 at 30. Yet, individual cases apart notwithstanding, the general trend stands true.

Diet, habits and lifestyle play a key role in this like you mentioned and one would think or at least hope that this may be more important than genetics in determining outcomes like weight gain etc, but it does not negate the idea that genetics is also a part of the equation. For example, the ability to effectively digest carbohydrates is a principal factor in determining weight tendency and the key lies in the amount of the enzyme Amylase, present in the saliva, which has been studied to vary between races. Japanese and European Americans possess more Amylase in the saliva than Africans for example.

Other more anecdotal examples include: Americanized Asians who follow the same bad diet habits as a normal white American are still on average much thinner. I personally know many latino/as that would gain weight so easily that they decide not to have dinner and still cannot keep the weight off, whereas I personally would become stick thin if I decided to skip dinner.

Yes, IQ is only one measure of cognitive ability. As I stated in a previous post, I do not believe it is the be all and end all of success prediction. Nevertheless it is a factor, and empirical studies + personal experience suggests it to be an important one. If one is considering children it would not be wise to overlook this and I'd suggest more discussion on this topic, not simply related to IQ itself, but also other genetic elements.
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(07-11-2018 05:16 PM)scotian Wrote:  I can’t wait to knock up a low IQ Colombiana and have half retarded niños.

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I will be honest there are days I question my children's intelligence, especially when I am furious enough to toss them off the building. Then I realize that they were smart enough to find a way to piss me off or dumb enough to incur my wrath. I guess it is all relative.

When your kids do something crazy that you nor your own siblings ever did, you will always give your wife the stinkeye, I don't care how smart she is.

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@Cam Newton great explanation!

How about mixing, are there any advantages or disadvantages compared to the same race? Let's say

white guy 130 IQ : white woman 130 IQ
white guy 130 IQ : east asian woman 130 IQ

The same thing right? I tried googling this but seems like everyone on this topic is focusing on blacks Smile

Edit: I think I found my answer: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/inde...ce-mixing/ point #3

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(07-12-2018 09:50 AM)Hoo Wrote:  @Cam Newton great explanation!

How about mixing, are there any advantages or disadvantages compared to the same race? Let's say

white guy 130 IQ : white woman 130 IQ
white guy 130 IQ : east asian woman 130 IQ

The same thing right? I tried googling this but seems like everyone on this topic is focusing on blacks Smile

Edit: I think I found my answer: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/inde...ce-mixing/ point #3

Bonus:

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Yeah, race mixing doesn’t seem to have any real effect on IQ by itself. Hybrid vigor might only make an impact when one, or both, parents are either inbred or come from very small towns. Even then, there aren’t enough studies to make a firm conclusion. Bob Trivers talks about hybrid vigor abit in this video (the rest of it is very interesting as well, where he explains homosexuality and honor killings with respect to evolutionary biology): https://youtu.be/_ij__9Ff-u8
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