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(05-13-2019 05:15 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  The discussion on whether Christianity was a benefit or a detriment to Europe, and the mention of the mythical ‘dark ages’, made me think of what we consider developed, and how it is a form of internalizing our oppressors language and concepts.

The questions are impossible to answer because of what constitutes good. And there are fundamentally two types of minds: Revolutionary and Conservative ones. The former love the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution or the American Revolution – when they don’t love the French and Bolshevik ones; the latter despise them. You either accept an established order (key word is order – overthrowing a disorderly establishment is not the same), and live within those constraints or you are a revolutionary. The constraints are both what makes stability and what prevents so called ‘advancement’.

So when you pose that Christianity was a benefit, or a detriment, it depends on what you value. Christianity did prevent several advancements, but if you are a true conservative you realize some advancements should be prevented.

For example, a lot of guys love the slogan ‘white men built the modern world’. I don’t disagree. But they say it like it’s a good thing. It might be a great achievement, but it is not good.

The modern world of cars, planes and the internet is also the modern world of urban alienation, wage slavery and constant surveillance; the world of modern medicine is also the one of modern dysgenic activity. These things cannot be separated, the good and the bad come both for conservative societies as well as revolutionary ones. If you want constant flux, and constant evolution, you have to take the dysgenic artificiality of life; if you want stability, you have to accept that some technical problems will never be solved and there are natural limits to your life (in all aspects of it).

‘Developed’ countries have become so wonderfully ‘advanced’ that they forgot how to relate to the opposite sex and live a normal life, drowned in entertainment and plastic food-like products, and will go extinct or become mere cogs in a giant demonic machine. The world that white men built, besides being a game we cannot win, has some pretty weird standards of ‘development’ when, wherever it goes, endemic infertility and social atomization go with it. Meanwhile those ‘undeveloped’ ones still have families, land and kin. But if your highest value is progress, then I guess the trade-off is worth it. For me it isn’t.

The concept of ‘developed world’ basically means: technological and usurious slavery, in which economic, cultural and ethnic boundaries are to be wiped out – forcefully or by the natural erosion of unnatural living and immoral financial incentives. Is this developed?

So when people ask whether Christianity hindered Europe’s development, my reply is: yes, yes it did, and by God do we need that hindrance again.


Great analysis.

Agree
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(05-13-2019 05:15 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  The concept of ‘developed world’ basically means: technological and usurious slavery, in which economic, cultural and ethnic boundaries are to be wiped out – forcefully or by the natural erosion of unnatural living and immoral financial incentives. Is this developed?

So when people ask whether Christianity hindered Europe’s development, my reply is: yes, yes it did, and by God do we need that hindrance again.

This is a hell of a post. Thumb upThumb up

Spiritual and human values have been replaced with "the booming economy".
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ilostabet, excellent analysis. I won't disagree that there are many cons to modern living.

Yes, I think the world can be divided into the modern and the traditional, the revolutionary and the conservative.
I think those of us who are living with one foot in both worlds will have to make a choice one day (or have the choice made for us as the world changes).

The developed world isn't so bad either though. Don't forget pain, poverty(real starvation), disease, violence. We have them mostly under control in the developed world. Just make a visit to your local hospital emergency room or homeless shelter and remind yourself how hard things can be.

No, I don't think most people would choose to go back away from modernity. Just ask all the migrants from traditional societies how they like it there.

Yes, social isolation and sterile unhealthy lifestyles are problems, but at least you get to live and *try* to make it better. How many times would you have died without modern society's police, sanitation, healthcare, economics, agriculture ?

There's certainly two sides to this issue. I hope society can find a balance.

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(05-13-2019 07:32 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 05:15 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  The concept of ‘developed world’ basically means: technological and usurious slavery, in which economic, cultural and ethnic boundaries are to be wiped out – forcefully or by the natural erosion of unnatural living and immoral financial incentives. Is this developed?

So when people ask whether Christianity hindered Europe’s development, my reply is: yes, yes it did, and by God do we need that hindrance again.

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Spiritual and human values have been replaced with "the booming economy".

So people want to go back to a time where scientific and technological progress was hindered because it was frowned upon at best and people put to death or in prison at worse?

Did religion create the medicine we have today?

What we have to accept is our cultures throughout history have all failed or been conquered because as humans we are just made to self destruct and progress on regardless.

You cannot hope for the masses to not be taken advantage of regardless of who is doing it, be they ultra capitalists, communists or religions.
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(05-13-2019 01:48 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  What are everyone's thoughts on Europe (parts of it, at least) being better off than the USA in the long-run?

Europe's decline has come quicker and in a more severe form but there is some real pulses of actual resistance happening it seems. Conventional wisdom has been that the USA was better off than Europe but I'm starting to question that assumption now.

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Anyway, what's everyone's take on (parts of) Europe vs USA and who will be better off in the long-term given the current situations on the ground in 2019?

I wrote up a big post on this, but then I realized nobody really knows if Europe or the USA will be better off or how things are going to play out over the long run. But hey, for shits and giggles I'll give it a go.

If I had to guess, the US is not going to go down in a blaze of glory or anything like that. It will continue to be next to impossible for anybody of European descent to come here, while for everybody else they'll just abuse the system and get dumped into Heritage America, like Sultan Obama enriching the Minnesotan countryside with Somalian engineers and doctors.

At some point the country will turn into a shithole and of course that will be blamed 100% on the white Americans, who will at that point consist of about a 15% hated minority who are told to shut the fuck up and bend their white privileged asses over while the Asians, Africans and Latin Americans war with each other over power of the country. Because you know damn well those groups aren't going to give up their group identities.

With Europe, the optimist in me would like to say that it will remain European. The realist in me says that more than likely, the continent will just go out with a pathetic whimper instead of a heroic bang.

Soros and company will just keep importing the Moroccan engineers and the Pakistani scientists by the boatload, which of course will be real swell of him to do as it wouldn't be fair for America to get all the Honduran doctors and H1B1 tech geniuses for themselves. Of course the Civic Nationalists will rejoice in all of this, because hey, all you have to do is speak the language and voila, you are German.

Well of course Europe will just continue to get enriched with the gift that keeps on giving, and I'm talking about the gift of vibrant multiculturalism, until native Europeans are about 15% of the population. They'll be a hated minority at that point, told to shut the fuck up by the Africans and Middle Easterners because they have the Original Sin Of Colonialism from hundreds of years ago. And while the Europeans bow their heads and shut the fuck up, the Africans and Middle Easterners will just duke it out with each other for control of the continent, using any and every fucked up terrorist angle that gives them an advantage because you know damn well those fucks aren't going to play by the rules.

While this goes on the Civic Nationalists will proclaim at the top of their lungs that race is a social construct and it's only the architecture that makes Europe European. And as they sing the glories of Civic Nationalism, the Europeans who are bowing their heads and shutting the fuck up will nod their heads in agreement, because obviously putting Africans in France and Middle Easterners in Germany produced a different result than what the little shits created in Somalia and in Afghanistan.

Obviously.

And while the Civic Nationalists proclaim the glories of Civic Nationalism from the mountain top, with DC and Berlin burning to the ground, Europeans and our diaspora will proudly be able to claim that hey - At least we weren't racist.

Diversity truly is our greatest strength.
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The notion that we have to choose between a moral but backwards society and a degenerate but technologically advanced one is a false dialectic.

I think Ilostabet's perspective (which is consistently excellent and interesting) might be influenced by the Portuguese situation, where you had a very conservative but economically backwards Catholic society prior to the 1970s, which went on to become wealthier, more advanced but also atheistic/globohomo afterwards.

There are many examples that disprove this binary choice. France for example was the world's third economic power in the 1960s under de Gaulle, and the world leader in a range of technologies, including nuclear power, rail transport, aviation (Mirage and Concorde jets), and with a strong domestic manufacturing and automotive sector, with full employment and purchasing power greater than today's. Along with this, there was a strong national moral fiber, which only started eroding after the zio-globohomo color revolution of May '68.

Another example is Germany in the 1930s, which was the most advanced industrial and technological power, and had one of the most prosperous middle classes in the world, with full employment, no inflation, and objectively speaking, one of the least culturally degenerate societies in European history, with family-oriented national policies. It was preceded by the Weimar Republic, which was one of the most degenerate western societies ever, on par with today's globohomo west. So in that case technological change and advancement came about as societal norms improved.

The problems that overtook the West starting in the 1960s aren't due to technological progress, they are the result of social engineering, and the political changes and upheaval that enabled it. The turning points were the JFK assassination, Vatican II and de Gaulle's overthrowing; the globalists took over and aggressively pushed their agendas from that point on.

Western societies had been very successful socially and economically at that point, there is no reason to think that they would not have all gotten even better and wealthier with further technological progress, had the social structure not been aggressively targeted.

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The American empire like all empires has to maintain >stall speed or it crashes to earth.

Let's be realistic and dumb it down. %White demographic = %functional. Yes, some non whites pull their slack and then some but they are inversely proportional to the number of whites that don't, so for the purposes of mathematics the initial equation is adequate.

We're already seeing blur states going bankrupt many times over. Detroit is starting to look more and more like post apartheid Rhodesia. Does it make sense that the American empire can maintain >stall speed with 15% white demographics? Even with 30%?

Even when that 30% has become rebellious and hostile?

If there's an explanation for how that's possible I'd like to hear it.

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@911,

First, thanks for the kind words.

I think there is a misconception about the ‘old regime’, that it was ‘economically backwards’ – and I start here because it goes back to the misleading definition of ‘developed’ the IMF, the World Bank and every other respectable and reputable source uses. I think this term itself is part of the social engineering you mentioned.

We had a mostly agrarian society when Salazar took over and when he died, 40 years later, we had pretty much caught up to the rest of Western Europe in terms of industrialization. Were it not for our three front war in Africa (which I won’t go into now – I have in the past in this same thread), we would have been able to catch up entirely – if Salazar wanted it to happen. But that is the important part is he didn’t want to. Why didn’t he?

As a Catholic, he knew the importance of poverty – the virtue of poverty – and the pitfalls of wealth. Camels and eyes of needles and so forth. I don’t need to quote mine the Bible or the Fathers to find ample explanation of this concept. It can be understood individually and collectively. For a society, as for a person, the rapid increases in wealth, leisure time, etc, can have drastic consequences.

Could we have reached the industrialization, economic efficiency and capital formation of Germany, UK or France? Well, maybe not so much due to our temperament – but we could get pretty close, a little bit like the Italians, or the Irish. But Salazar knew that if we did, that it would require many things that destroy stability, economic, financial, geographical, social, cultural and, eventually, moral. You could argue, as many have, that Salazar just wanted to keep the people “poor and stupid” to keep his power. Regardless of motives, the ‘poor and stupid’ part is true or at least, poorer than most Western countries and with less schooling. But regardless of motive the fact remains, that his stated and acted upon intention was to avoid, at all costs, rapid disruptions of society, and those include the economic. He knew that such rapid changes, even if raising wealth exponentially, would cause social upheaval and the destruction of morals.

Also note the word schooling. Few lies are more pernicious in the globohomo than the idea that schooling equals education. More people now are able to read and write papers on gender war, or construct a perfect machine that runs on its own and will lead to economic ruin for millions of people; we know how to engineer babies, and have advanced techniques on how to prevent them from ever coming into being. But do we know how to farm, kill an animal, understand the seasons? Shit, we have pretty much destroyed the seasons anyway. We also knew the value of community, morality, public shame. Now we don’t, because we don’t need to. What exactly is the purpose of education? In some things we did learn a lot: technical things, how to make things more efficient and effective. But does that serve us? Or is this schooling’s only purpose to serve the system itself? The system, of course, is not ONLY technological and organizational – but technology is the means through which it spreads, and at the basis of it is the same Materialism, the same drive to create heaven on earth by human means, subjection of the natural order, the worship of technique.

Mass scale social engineering like we have been subjected to is only possible with modern technology. Even E. Michael Jones admits this, when he mentions that before and during the French Revolution the masonic method of choice to destroy social cohesion was to fill theatres showing live pornography, but that its impact was very limited compared to Weimar Germany for example because of modern broadcasting and printing, which not only allowed mass production but also mass circulation and constant immersion in the propaganda. Social engineering cannot be understood without modern technology.

Back to Salazar and his ‘enforced poverty’ policy and our 'backwards economy'. He knew that modern, rapid economic growth required usury to function – the high rate of trial and error required to find the most efficient way of production in a highly competitive market economy can only be sustained through continuous inflation of the money supply and the lending of that new money through the banking system, since there is too much risk to fund all the endeavors with real savings. Salazar understood this (he was an economics teacher, then finance minister before he was a dictator), and he abhorred it. When he died we had one of the largest gold reserves in the world, a budget surplus, nobody died of hunger or preventable diseases, all while fighting a war in three fronts in another continent and facing major upheaval at home financed by both the Soviets and the Americans – two sides fighting us before they would fight each other. As late as 2010, and despite the 30 years of mass plunder, mostly legalized, done by the democratic parties and their banking allies, we still had one of the largest gold reserves in relation to our population – most of it, still from Salazar’s policy.

So we were never poor during Salazar – except maybe when the whole of Europe was at war, but so was everyone else and in much worse shape than us. Again, stability. After the war, and in the 60s, we had less amenities and appliances, less entertainment available, less consumer choices and more physical labor. Is this ‘economically backwards’? Perhaps. But then I don’t want to be forward. Will anyone say that one of the things we need to fix society is more amenities and appliances, more entertainment, more consumer choices and more bullshit office jobs? I can certainly say that, not only we don’t need more, we need a lot less.

It is true that some societies can survive, at least temporarily, the morally and culturally destructive aspects of technology – probably the prime example was 30s Germany indeed. However, such a society must be by necessity a highly regimented one. Unintended consequences of technology must be either tamed by tight regulation or solved by further technology. The loop is not really closed, but the society will become more and more regimented, to make the man fit the needs of the machine. Traffic laws are made for cars, and so will they be made for people in a society that is technologically advanced. As we embed these machines into our daily lives, we are made subject to their unintended consequences, or we are subject to the regulations of them. You don’t lose moral principles built over millennia in one year – but you do put a process in motion. When your people no longer eat by the sweat of their brow, you have a problem. Do we want to live in a dictatorship, where everything has to be regimented and fit to purpose, to avoid the natural consequences of economic prosperity and technological advancement? Because that is required – but that too is unnatural.

One good example of countering the effects with regulation and regimentation: why do we need fertility policies? In the current context, obviously I would welcome them but it does not change the fact that modern living has made us infertile, chemically, physically and spiritually. We are either unable or don’t want to have children. It is a iatrogenic solution to ‘promote families’ – because obviously our system is not conductive to their creation, so it must be artificially stimulated. Think about this: our most basic instinct has to be artificially stimulated. Pro-family policies are a symptom of an unnatural society.

Social engineering is obviously a key issue, and I’m glad it is being understood and the details coming to light. But once you do see that tree, think of what makes it part of the forest – and it is the technical worship that has created modern technology, and destroyed the human spirit.

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I’ll finish with two quotes from Jacques Ellul:

«Enclosed within his artificial creation, man finds that there is "no exit"; that he cannot pierce the shell of technology again to find the ancient milieu to which he was adapted for hundreds of thousands of years. . . . In our cities there is no more day or night or heat or cold. But there is overpopulation, thralldom to press and television, total absence of purpose. All men are constrained by means external to them to ends equally external. The further the technical mechanism develops that allows us to escape natural necessity, the more we are subjected to artificial technical necessities.»

«Technique has penetrated the deepest recesses of the human being. The machine tends not only to create a new human environment, but also to modify man's very essence. The milieu in which he lives is no longer his. He must adapt himself, as though the world were new, to a universe for which he was not created. He was made to go six kilometers an hour, and he goes a thousand. He was made to eat when he was hungry and to sleep when he was sleepy; instead, he obeys a clock. He was made to have contact with living things, and he lives in a world of stone. He was created with a certain essential unity, and he is fragmented by all the forces of the modern world.»

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(05-14-2019 05:12 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  @911,

First, thanks for the kind words.

I think there is a misconception about the ‘old regime’, that it was ‘economically backwards’ – and I start here because it goes back to the misleading definition of ‘developed’ the IMF, the World Bank and every other respectable and reputable source uses. I think this term itself is part of the social engineering you mentioned.

We had a mostly agrarian society when Salazar took over and when he died, 40 years later, we had pretty much caught up to the rest of Western Europe in terms of industrialization. Were it not for our three front war in Africa (which I won’t go into now – I have in the past in this same thread), we would have been able to catch up entirely – if Salazar wanted it to happen. But that is the important part is he didn’t want to. Why didn’t he?

As a Catholic, he knew the importance of poverty – the virtue of poverty – and the pitfalls of wealth. Camels and eyes of needles and so forth. I don’t need to quote mine the Bible or the Fathers to find ample explanation of this concept. It can be understood individually and collectively. For a society, as for a person, the rapid increases in wealth, leisure time, etc, can have drastic consequences.

Could we have reached the industrialization, economic efficiency and capital formation of Germany, UK or France? Well, maybe not so much due to our temperament – but we could get pretty close, a little bit like the Italians, or the Irish. But Salazar knew that if we did, that it would require many things that destroy stability, economic, financial, geographical, social, cultural and, eventually, moral. You could argue, as many have, that Salazar just wanted to keep the people “poor and stupid” to keep his power. Regardless of motives, the ‘poor and stupid’ part is true or at least, poorer than most Western countries and with less schooling. But regardless of motive the fact remains, that his stated and acted upon intention was to avoid, at all costs, rapid disruptions of society, and those include the economic. He knew that such rapid changes, even if raising wealth exponentially, would cause social upheaval and the destruction of morals.

Also note the word schooling. Few lies are more pernicious in the globohomo than the idea that schooling equals education. More people now are able to read and write papers on gender war, or construct a perfect machine that runs on its own and will lead to economic ruin for millions of people; we know how to engineer babies, and have advanced techniques on how to prevent them from ever coming into being. But do we know how to farm, kill an animal, understand the seasons? Shit, we have pretty much destroyed the seasons anyway. We also knew the value of community, morality, public shame. Now we don’t, because we don’t need to. What exactly is the purpose of education? In some things we did learn a lot: technical things, how to make things more efficient and effective. But does that serve us? Or is this schooling’s only purpose to serve the system itself? The system, of course, is not ONLY technological and organizational – but technology is the means through which it spreads, and at the basis of it is the same Materialism, the same drive to create heaven on earth by human means, subjection of the natural order, the worship of technique.

Mass scale social engineering like we have been subjected to is only possible with modern technology. Even E. Michael Jones admits this, when he mentions that before and during the French Revolution the masonic method of choice to destroy social cohesion was to fill theatres showing live pornography, but that its impact was very limited compared to Weimar Germany for example because of modern broadcasting and printing, which not only allowed mass production but also mass circulation and constant immersion in the propaganda. Social engineering cannot be understood without modern technology.

Back to Salazar and his ‘enforced poverty’ policy and our 'backwards economy'. He knew that modern, rapid economic growth required usury to function – the high rate of trial and error required to find the most efficient way of production in a highly competitive market economy can only be sustained through continuous inflation of the money supply and the lending of that new money through the banking system, since there is too much risk to fund all the endeavors with real savings. Salazar understood this (he was an economics teacher, then finance minister before he was a dictator), and he abhorred it. When he died we had one of the largest gold reserves in the world, a budget surplus, nobody died of hunger or preventable diseases, all while fighting a war in three fronts in another continent and facing major upheaval at home financed by both the Soviets and the Americans – two sides fighting us before they would fight each other. As late as 2010, and despite the 30 years of mass plunder, mostly legalized, done by the democratic parties and their banking allies, we still had one of the largest gold reserves in relation to our population – most of it, still from Salazar’s policy.

So we were never poor during Salazar – except maybe when the whole of Europe was at war, but so was everyone else and in much worse shape than us. Again, stability. After the war, and in the 60s, we had less amenities and appliances, less entertainment available, less consumer choices and more physical labor. Is this ‘economically backwards’? Perhaps. But then I don’t want to be forward. Will anyone say that one of the things we need to fix society is more amenities and appliances, more entertainment, more consumer choices and more bullshit office jobs? I can certainly say that, not only we don’t need more, we need a lot less.

It is true that some societies can survive, at least temporarily, the morally and culturally destructive aspects of technology – probably the prime example was 30s Germany indeed. However, such a society must be by necessity a highly regimented one. Unintended consequences of technology must be either tamed by tight regulation or solved by further technology. The loop is not really closed, but the society will become more and more regimented, to make the man fit the needs of the machine. Traffic laws are made for cars, and so will they be made for people in a society that is technologically advanced. As we embed these machines into our daily lives, we are made subject to their unintended consequences, or we are subject to the regulations of them. You don’t lose moral principles built over millennia in one year – but you do put a process in motion. When your people no longer eat by the sweat of their brow, you have a problem. Do we want to live in a dictatorship, where everything has to be regimented and fit to purpose, to avoid the natural consequences of economic prosperity and technological advancement? Because that is required – but that too is unnatural.

One good example of countering the effects with regulation and regimentation: why do we need fertility policies? In the current context, obviously I would welcome them but it does not change the fact that modern living has made us infertile, chemically, physically and spiritually. We are either unable or don’t want to have children. It is a iatrogenic solution to ‘promote families’ – because obviously our system is not conductive to their creation, so it must be artificially stimulated. Think about this: our most basic instinct has to be artificially stimulated. Pro-family policies are a symptom of an unnatural society.

Social engineering is obviously a key issue, and I’m glad it is being understood and the details coming to light. But once you do see that tree, think of what makes it part of the forest – and it is the technical worship that has created modern technology, and destroyed the human spirit.

There are no Jews in Japan.

I’ll finish with two quotes from Jacques Ellul:

«Enclosed within his artificial creation, man finds that there is "no exit"; that he cannot pierce the shell of technology again to find the ancient milieu to which he was adapted for hundreds of thousands of years. . . . In our cities there is no more day or night or heat or cold. But there is overpopulation, thralldom to press and television, total absence of purpose. All men are constrained by means external to them to ends equally external. The further the technical mechanism develops that allows us to escape natural necessity, the more we are subjected to artificial technical necessities.»

«Technique has penetrated the deepest recesses of the human being. The machine tends not only to create a new human environment, but also to modify man's very essence. The milieu in which he lives is no longer his. He must adapt himself, as though the world were new, to a universe for which he was not created. He was made to go six kilometers an hour, and he goes a thousand. He was made to eat when he was hungry and to sleep when he was sleepy; instead, he obeys a clock. He was made to have contact with living things, and he lives in a world of stone. He was created with a certain essential unity, and he is fragmented by all the forces of the modern world.»

Interesting. I once remember being curious about Salazar and briefly reading about him and Portugal during his rule on Wikipedia to get the basics. I always had the feeling that Salazar was being demonized by liberal historians for things that are non-issues or simply have no basis in reality.

Of course, i'm far from an expert on this, but from the way you described it, it seems like he did literally nothing wrong and genuinely did everything he thought was right for his country and its people.

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(05-14-2019 01:57 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The American empire like all empires has to maintain >stall speed or it crashes to earth.

Let's be realistic and dumb it down. %White demographic = %functional. Yes, some non whites pull their slack and then some but they are inversely proportional to the number of whites that don't, so for the purposes of mathematics the initial equation is adequate.

We're already seeing blur states going bankrupt many times over. Detroit is starting to look more and more like post apartheid Rhodesia. Does it make sense that the American empire can maintain >stall speed with 15% white demographics? Even with 30%?

Even when that 30% has become rebellious and hostile?

If there's an explanation for how that's possible I'd like to hear it.

A huge problem is the rich but parasitic leftists migrating to greener pastures. Prevents proper law and order. Facilitating dysfunction whilst staying away from it themselves.
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@KM,

Salazar is a very interesting character.

His avarice is well known. His stay at the official prime minister residence was paid privately by him. His staff produced foodstufs in the gardens and sold them to help with expenses, including their own sallaries. Many of the staffs children came to wear clothes made from Salazar's old ones. Saving was the prime objective. He would implement this same mentality in his government, which outlasted a great war directly unaffected and was the last government to give up european colonial rule.

He was in the seminary then quit, but never married - he once said that if he had the misfortune of dying famous no personal stone would remain unturned, and he was right because we now know he had multiple girlfriends over the years and was a chad, basically.

He made many mistakes, like every man, but he was a great leader and a real original. People like him, I'm afraid, don't exist anymore.

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"LGBT school lessons protests spread nationwide"

Quote:Protests started in Birmingham and letters, predominantly from conservative Muslims, have been sent to a number of schools elsewhere.

One campaigner said relationship lessons due to start in schools in 2020 "proselytise a homosexual way of life".

Supporters of the lessons said there was a "lot of misinformation".

Letters opposing the lessons have been sent to schools in Birmingham, Bradford, Bristol, Croydon, Ealing, Manchester, Northampton and Nottingham, BBC Newsnight has discovered.

Some have also been sent from Christian parents in Kent.

Mainly Muslim families have been protesting outside Anderton Park Primary School in Birmingham after pupils were given books featuring transgender children and gay families.

Protest leader Shakeel Afsar: "All we are concerned [about] is we are having our children come home with material that contradicts our moral values."

Another protester, Amir Ahmed, said: "It's not about gay lesbian rights and equality. This is purely about proselytising a homosexual way of life to children."

Good on the Muslims (and few Christians - probably Africans) behind this. Fantastic to see intersectionality implode like this as an aside.

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Oh, great, just peachy.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pre...-1.7248624

Quote:In Israel, They Felt Unwanted. They Found Paradise in Portugal
Farmland goes for a song, farmers receive state support and falafel and malabi are readily available. More and more Israelis are finding a haven on Portuguese soil

The most popular stall in the heart of the outdoor market in São Martinho das Amoreiras, some 200 kilometers southeast of Lisbon, is the falafel stand run by Maoz Kashty and his partner, Natasha. Is there anything more humiliating for an Israeli than to buy falafel on European soil? Out of Israeli solidarity and sheer politeness I bought one – and was pleasantly surprised. Next to me was a young local man who was wondering about the orange sauce. Kashty, 45, told him it was chutney, and immediately explained himself to me, in Hebrew: “Hey, am I going to tell him it’s amba?”

An Israeli from a nearby farm took advantage of the hype in the market and recently opened an adjacent stand that sells malabi (a Middle Eastern rosewater pudding, served with pomegranate syrup). Gentiles aren’t familiar with malabi, so passersby were offered a free taste. Was I a witness to the genesis of a malabi craze on the Iberian Peninsula? Apart from the falafel and malabi hawkers, there were quite a few Israelis in the market who came to buy or sell – or to get a look at the local guru, Moji.

Before visiting the market, we had been hosted on an impressive farm for a weekly hummus fest. We sat under a cork oak tree, where we polished off a dish of hummus for six euros. Like many other Israelis who are farming in Portugal, the owner of this particular farm wanted nothing to do with the press, and asked that his name not be published. Earlier, I’d offended him slightly by saying something to the effect that if I was already in Portugal, I preferred to eat local food. “All they eat here is pork,” he immediately warned me. On another Israeli-owned farm, a two-day party got underway that same weekend, with an Israeli deejay. They, too, asked not to be identified by name.

To join the Facebook page of the Israelis who already live in Portugal, you have to declare that you are not a tourist and that you are not offering a service intended to help people obtain a local passport. The page has more than 3,000 members, but according to more conservative data, the actual number of Israelis who have immigrated to Portugal in recent year is several hundred. A few dozen live on farms, most of which were purchased in the past year. This appears to be a first wave that might swell. Not long ago, a Portuguese magazine published a cover story titled, “Is Portugal the Promised Land of the Jews?”

For Natasha, 35, Kashty’s partner, it’s already too much: She keeps seeing Israelis buying farms in the area, and she’s afraid that the flow will only intensify. Most of the Israeli-owned homesteads are located here, in southern Portugal, not far from the town of Odemira. Some, though, have opted for east, in the region of Castelo Branco, or further north. The city of Coimbra, in the central part of the country, even boasts an Israeli-Portuguese school.

There are several Facebook groups of Israelis who would like to move en masse to Portugal and form a community, but that hasn’t happened yet, despite a good response. The fact is that farmland is so cheap in Portugal, there’s no real reason to share the property.

One common denominator among the nice people I interviewed here is that they tried to live in Israel according to their desired lifestyle, but felt that the state rejected them, and so they sought a haven in Portugal. Perhaps the best known of the recent exiles is writer and journalist Yigal Sarna, who is recovering here from a legal battle with the Netanyahu family and termination of his employment on the newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth. Sarna, who now spends half the year in northern Portugal, sounds happy, to judge from his Facebook posts. Kashty, the falafel king, had a clear explanation of why he fled: “We were living in a community in Pardes Hannah and we were good with that, but we were living in a bubble. The feeling is that in Israel everyone who is outside the bubble tries to prick the bubble, to stick nails into it.”

The economy in Portugal is lackluster, but it’s still a friendly place for foreigners, with a socialist government and vast, empty farmland that the state wants to populate.

Far from ugly politics

Dan Zeltser, 43, studied history and philosophy, did voluntary work with the Israeli-Palestinian organization Taayush and was a documentary photographer in the territories. But finally the politics got to him. “What happened in Israel stinks, it’s a sinking ship,” he says. “I decided I had to get out of there.”

Zeltser was determined to live closer to nature and set his mind on Portugal, even though he knew next to nothing about it. He met his partner, Biana Gaimano, 32, shortly before he left Israel. Gaimano had immigrated to Israel by herself from Russia, was employed in high-tech, and afterward was a producer on the reality-TV program “Connected.”

“Even though I had a good job in the industry, I realized that I didn’t want to be there,” Gaimano relates, adding that the day she met Zeltser, she sat in her car and realized that she would be leaving everything and moving to Portugal.

For a year, the young couple looked for suitable land. They show me their dot-studded Google map. “We saw a hundred farms,” Zeltser says. “We almost struck a deal with a Dutch swindler. Buying land here isn’t easy. You have to be careful and not trust lawyers; it’s crucial to get help from someone who’s already bought property.”

Newcomers also have to adjust to the local pace of life, he adds. “Everything here is very slow. But it’s important for the Portuguese to be accurate, to be on time. And Portugal is supportive, it doesn’t expel people, certainly not quickly. The people in the nearby villages are pleasant and hospitable, and really want to help. They think it’s good for them to have ‘new blood’ arrive.”

Did you leave because of things you saw in the occupied territories?

Zeltser: “Not only in the territories. Everywhere in the country. My heart said: Let go of the place.”

A few weeks ago, the couple bought 30 dunams (about 7.5 acres) of hilly land, near Castelo Branco. It’s covered with rocks and thistles, but has a stream and a few wells. They paid 15,000 euros, a sum that might buy you a lean-to back in Afula. “We don’t have a building,” Zeltser explains over black coffee served in empty baby-food jars. “If you want a real house you pay more – 50,000 to 100,000 euros and up. For me it was important to have a river nearby, so we won’t have to hook up to the water network.”

Their plan is to build a wooden house on their land, but in the meantime they’re renting a place on their neighbors’ property. They are delighted with their land. It’s nice to hike around there, despite the rugged terrain, but it’s hard to imagine planting anything on it.

“Just yesterday we organized an access road and fixed up a few terraces and canals,” Zeltser says. “Since buying the land, I discovered that we have a quite a few fruit trees. The foundations here are good.”

Other plans are amorphous. Zeltser waxes poetic about “a garden, with all the implications” and talks about hothouses for herbs, maybe saffron, and projects including a preschool, courses in sustainability, ecological tourism. Near the river, on Zeltser’s property, is the tent of an Englishman and his children, who looked pleased. As we nibble on cheese, Gaimano predicts that they will soon be making their own cheese. Zeltser hints that that will take some time. “The goal is to establish a home and farm that will feed us on a self-sufficient basis,” he explains. “In the next stage we’ll figure out how to make a living.” Gaimano wants to create a preschool for baby Elisheva: “We didn’t flee Tel Aviv in order to send our kids to institutional schools.”

The couple say there are other Israelis living nearby and that one spoke to them about buying land next to theirs. “It’s just the beginning of a wave,” Gaimano says. “When I saw an ad for a Portuguese passport in Netanya, I knew there would be a flood.” (Since 2013, Portugal has offered citizenship to people who can prove their descent from Jews expelled from Portugal or Spain during the Inquisition.)

Ties with the local Jewish community are less congenial. “I went to the synagogue in the nearby town and said I’m an Israeli,” Zeltser says. “Because I walk around in a keffiyeh from Sinai, they thought I was an Israeli Arab, and the security guards checked me thoroughly. Maybe what did me in was that I said ‘Ahlan’ [Arabic for “Hello,” frequently used by Jewish Israelis]. The Jews of Portugal aren’t in the loop. It drove me crazy that the rabbi doesn’t know Hebrew. But we have made friends with foreigners here – 17 nationalities on our hill alone.”

Why do Israelis feel a connection with Portugal?

Zeltser: “The people here lack initiative and are very calm. Not everyone here is out for the dollar. The thinking here is more medieval, not capitalist, and that’s a positive thing. Besides, it’s hot here and it looks like Israel.”

Are you thinking of establishing a new Israel here?

“Isn’t one enough?”

Although they put on an optimistic face, it turns out that the couple have had moments of crisis. Three months after the move to Portugal, Gaimano was ready to go back. “I bought a ticket to Ben-Gurion, one way,” she says. “After two weeks in Tel Aviv, I’d had enough of sitting by the sea and I wanted to go home. I didn’t want to live in the city.” Zeltser hasn’t been back to Israel since he left.

Refuge from the storm

Yaaran Farm was established in 1995 in the forest below the popular stalactite cave in the Judean Hills, outside Beit Shemesh. The Yaaran family sought a self-sufficient lifestyle and raised goats on their farm, selling the cheese to visitors. Over the years, the Israeli authorities tried to get rid of them, because their farm lay on state-owned land. The Yaarans waged an impossible, perhaps naive, battle that entailed plenty of court hearings and then gave up.

Like most of those I interviewed, Bar and Avishai Yaaran, 51 and 56, respectively, felt as if they were simply spewed out by Israel and found themselves in Portugal. Three months ago, they bought a 40-dunam farm in the eastern part of the country and shipped the contents of their previous home there in a container, including the sign to their old place. Bar is now grateful to the authorities: “Thanks to the wickedness of the Israel Land Authority, we evacuated the place, and thanks to them I attained something of my own,” she says.

We catch up to her as she splits wood with an axe. “At first we looked for land in Crete, but just before the deal was closed, they tripled the price,” she relates. “Lucky we didn’t move there. The Greeks are tough and they don’t accept foreigners. They’re like Israelis. In Portugal, it’s the opposite. The economy is permanently drowsy. At midday everyone is at lunch. They don’t seem to have any motivation, but they are good people and welcoming. Even the clerks want what’s best for you. They don’t try to make things hard for you – the opposite of Israel. The farmers who were in the same boat as us back in Israel were always in competition. The average Israeli feels that he has to screw someone in order not to get screwed. Here I can breathe differently. I don’t hear stone quarries. The birds chirp here at night, too. We found our paradise.”

Looking back, Bar isn’t sure why she fought so hard for her farm: “We were a finger in the establishment’s eyes. It was just insane. We worked hard, people stood in line for our cheeses, and it all went to pay lawyers. I could have bought seven farms like this in Portugal if I hadn’t financed lawyers. When I stopped paying them, the lawyers simply stopped working for me, no matter how right I was. It’s unbelievable. There’s no ideology in that realm.”

The couple are now in the process of obtaining residency, which is granted in Portugal to people who establish companies, even if those entities are intended to manage an autarkic farm. Unlike Israel, the Yaarans say, Portugal encourages small, traditional, farm-based ventures. In many other countries in Europe, in contrast, the process of rapid urbanization means that many agricultural lands have fallen into disuse. In our travels, we passed through dozens of pleasant villages, and most of the people we saw were elderly folk relaxing with a glass of beer in a café on the main street.

Says Bar: “I know that even if I don’t come with all the paperwork, the Portuguese immigration authorities won’t throw me out. They won’t check whether I am Jewish, Muslim or Christian. Everyone can care for his goats and his vegetable patch, be simple like me, poor like me – and feel rich… Fortunately, Avishai knows the language, because he grew up in Kibbutz Bror Hayil [where many immigrants from Brazil live] and he has a Brazilian father.”

Bar says she is moved by the small things. “For years I didn’t have a mailing address. After all, the authorities don’t want to give offenders an opening for official recognition, and because of that the children didn’t receive army draft notices. [She says that they did serve, however.] Now the mail comes right to me. I can’t believe it’s mine.”

Like Bar, many of those I spoke to invoked the word “paradise.” The truth is that it’s not as simple as it looks. The farm the Yaarans moved into three months ago was completely covered by a meter-high layer of thorny raspberry bushes. The bushes mean there’s lots of water, but dealing with them is difficult and endlessly bothersome.

“We are refugees,” she says. “Even after we left, the Land Authority was mad because we left a few stones that we were supposed to remove. They wanted to issue an order barring me from leaving the country and also for us to pay a users’ fee. Today I feel as though I’ve been reborn. I’m convinced they’ll be sorry we left. There will be forest fires.”

What do you think they wanted from you?

Bar Yaaran: “In Israel, agriculture is always political, it’s always about grabbing land from the Arabs. They think that if you give something to every [Jewish] shepherd, they’ll also have to give the Bedouin rights. I just pity the people from the Nature and Thieves Authority and the Society for the Destruction of Nature. But I pity the land more. How did I ever believe we stood a chance? I sat there in my bubble, on my island, while all around me people were legally authorized to quarry, the stream filled up with sewage, the noise of the helicopters frightened the pregnant goats, and we were the only ones looking after the environment.

“We built a fire truck to put out fires, we collected garbage for 24 years and we appeared before every committee, certain that we were in the right and that they would understand in the end. The truth is that no one wanted us. We were not in anyone’s political or economic interest, and we didn’t screw any Arab. Here, they went along with us about the idea of a small herd and a tiny dairy. And because I’m a farmer, all the diesel fuel will be subsidized. Israel is not a truly democratic country. All it cares about is screwing the Arabs, and to achieve that it will shoot everyone in the foot.”

If at the Yaaran’s first farm they needed a herd of 150 goats to be almost completely self-sufficient, now that they don’t have to pay for a legal team, they say then can make do with 15. “It was insane work, just to satisfy a rotten system that has no point or purpose.”

Despite the couple’s seemingly anarchistic approach to life, Avishai – who served in the Israel Defense Force’s Sayeret Matkal commando unit and was among the first soldiers to cut through the border fence and enter Lebanon in the 1982 war – doesn’t rule out accepting subsidies from state authorities in Portugal. “It is a fine and correct matter, an expression of a desire to preserve agriculture.”

Hippie enclave

If the Yaaran family wants above all to be left alone, Shefa and Oded Elyashiv, aged 49 and 52, who are among the senior figures of Israel’s “rainbow” gatherings, arrived with a communal vision. For $50,000 they bought a large tract of land, 160 dunams, in southern Portugal, half an hour by jeep from the nearest road. They moved in three months ago.

Their place doesn’t yet look like a farm – more like a small conclave of hippies set in a spectacular landscape. In the meantime they are living in a trailer, with the children’s tents next to it. Oded is excited to show us the compost toilet he recently assembled, as though it were a Venetian fountain. He has a philosophy about this subject: “Man is an enterprise for producing fertilizer, but that involves dealing with poop. I don’t understand what the problem is with poop. It’s madness to throw our poop into the toilet, and afterward to buy expensive compost, which is horses’ poop.”

The Elyashivs met 13 years ago. Oded is a yoga teacher; Shefa is an information systems consultant. For years, they scoured Israel in search of land on which they could live with friends. (They have two children, ages 7 and 11.) They tried to join a kibbutz, but were rejected by the admission committee. Shefa, who was born on Kibbutz Tsova, near Jerusalem, admits that she was hurt by this.

“We would have been happy to establish something like this in Israel,” Oded says. “It’s the Holy Land – not that I am religious. All our life we just wanted a piece of land. Not a lousy half-dunam slice of land in a crowded suburb. I wrote to [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu” – with a request for land on which to create a communal settlement – “and he replied in a letter saying ‘Well done,’ and referring me to the authorities. We wanted to create a paradise, 10 dunams for 10 families, on the model of a small village for friends from the rainbow tribe. I wrote to all the authorities with the request. One referred me to another, but nothing came of it.”

“We only wanted land,” adds Oded, who liked to walk around nude at rainbow gatherings in Israel, so it took me time to recognize him. “We wanted to build a castle in Israel. And then we spoke to Haim Feldman, an Israeli who had moved here. He kept urging us to make the move. He told us how easy things are in Portugal. He’s a pioneer. The new Israel is slowly happening here. People keep coming. There are also those who try to make the move, but end up returning to Israel. But overall, the trend is that it’s continuing to grow.”

The family arrived in Portugal in 2016 with the aim of creating a community, but it didn’t work out. But Oded hasn’t abandoned his dream of a communal village: “It will happen naturally. Families want to visit. People will stay. We are the vanguard. There is enough room and we will find the way to bring them in. Maybe the others will want to buy neighboring lands.”

What’s the plan?

Oded: “The goal is to live in paradise. There will be 10,000 trees here, 1,000 of them fruit trees. There will be abundance never before seen. In the meantime, it really is hard. When you don’t know the language, even getting a pump is difficult.”

“The move is very hard,” Shefa admits. “My father was sick. I am torn. Should I go back to Israel? It would be wonderful if Israel allowed a simple life on the land. It’s incredible that it’s a criminal offense if a person lives on his own farmland. In every other country, people live on their own farms. In Portugal, four percent of every agricultural property is designated for the farmer’s house. In Israel you can’t even park a trailer on farmland.”

As in the original Garden of Eden, here too there are troubles with the children – although, despite their adventurous parents, they somehow came out quite normal. When we arrive, the children are using wireless internet and are busy destroying someone in the video game Fortnite. The parents admit that their offspring, especially their 11-year-old daughter, Petel, aren’t really wild about bathing in the river, and demand a standard hot-water shower now and again. To that end, they all occasionally head for the nearby town, which has a public bathhouse. There have been times when Shefa too broke down because of the harsh conditions and took a hotel room. “You have to understand,” Oded explains. “The girls have long hair, they have curls. They need a shower with running water. In another month we’ll have a shower.”

Are the children in a home-schooling program?

Oded: “It’s ‘unschooling.’ Petel went to an anthroposophic school in Israel. We didn’t want her to go there, but she had a girlfriend who was enthusiastic, and the school was good for her. Here they didn’t want it because of the language.”

Will I still find you here in another five years?

Shefa: “Absolutely. You’ll never get Oded out of here, and I’m with him. No one can take me away from here.”

Still, there are moments when her husband has heretical thoughts. “Since I’ve been here, I appreciate the city more,” he admits. “The city is an amazing place. People live there without any problems. You know, there are toilets and hot showers there.”

Tractor-less farming

Even though Lisa and Haim Werksman Feldman, 41 and 44 years old, moved to Portugal only four years ago, they are considered veteran Israelis in the country’s agricultural landscape. Haim didn’t want to buy his own farm, preferring instead to purchase a modest house on the outskirts of Odemira, in Portugal’s south, for 50,000 euros. But he works and assists many Israeli farmers and is considered a “guru gardener.” At present, Feldman is cultivating an organic garden that supplies a restaurant, and also teaches ecology at two schools.

There’s a sad story behind his move to Portugal. After serving as a combat soldier in the IDF’s Nahal brigade, including in the territories, he tried to acquaint himself with farming, but couldn’t find his place in industrial-style agriculture. He went to the territories in the hope of learning traditional methods of farming and gradually got to know people on the other side. By the time of Operation Defensive Shield (2002) he refused to serve in the territories. Afterward, he tried to help create a bio-farming project with the Awad family in the village of Budrus, adjacent to the separation barrier. That lovely initiative was torpedoed by both the army and envious neighbors of the Awad family. What broke him was the shooting death of one of the Awad children at the hands of an Israel soldier.

“I couldn’t take it anymore,” Feldman says. “It was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I couldn’t look the father in the eyes. I wanted something different, with plenty of traditional agriculture and an approach that encourages small-scale farming.”

Maoz Kashty, the falafel monger, whom I interview as he works, was drawn to Portugal for similar reasons. “People here want to have control over the elementary things,” he explains. “I’m talking about housing, food, medicine. An apartment that doesn’t require taking out a 30-year mortgage. Let us live life.” Kashti is hoping to buy a house and 10 dunams of land; the financing is meant to come from the falafel.

“Portugal recalls Israel from before the Six-Day War, before things got bad,” Feldman says. “It’s an empire that faded away. You don’t hustle off to work here, like in Israel. If you don’t need to work, you don’t work. But if you do, then you work well. It’s not slapdash. When the name of Israel comes up in conversations with local folk, I always mention what’s good in Israel.”

Even though you left because of what’s bad?

Feldman: “I am heartbroken from love. In Israel I was battered as a political activist and also as an ecological gardener. Israeli farmers are very condescending about enviromental concerns – they think that farming is only done with a tractor. Portugal is a country of small gardens, with great appreciation for the environment. Another reason I left was so that my daughters wouldn’t go to school in a fascist education al system. The brainwashing in Israel begins at an early age. A photograph of the chief of staff is hung on the kindergarten wall. Here the people are charming, and we mustn’t forget that in Portugal there was a Jewish community that lived together with the Muslims. It’s important to understand that there was a connection here.”

Pioneering work

Tamir and Luna Burstein, 47 and 45, have lived for almost a year with their two children on an impressive 200-dunam farm in the south of Portugal. The price: 100,000 euros. A handy person, Tamir removed the raspberry bushes and also dug a lake, which he populated with ducks. His land covers two hills, on one of which there’s an old forest that Tamir doesn’t intend to touch. “It feels strange to say it’s mine,” he tells me.

Tamir owned a bar on Carlebach Street in Tel Aviv – he brought the popular Kleiner Feigling fig liqueuerto Israel. Luna was a PR person for the Allenby 58 Club and today is a spiritual teacher. “I simply fell in love with Portugal,” Luna says, calling it “the India of Europe.” Tamir adds, “Already in Lisbon airport our heart opened and we allowed Creation to take us.”

They purchased the second property they saw, and got to work. “There are a lot of people who want to join us,” says Tamir. “Every week two families ask. Some want advice about how to buy land, some want to come here. Our property has enough room for four families to live comfortably. The demand is so great that I decided to organize a tour for Israelis to get to know the region. Two families moved here as a result – one of them bought within 10 minutes. Someone told me, ‘Don’t bring more Israelis, we don’t want a little Israel here.’ I have heard about dozens who want to make the move. People sit around drinking beer, and they think, ‘Let’s move to Portugal.’ But it’s a lot of work. It’s hard to be a pioneer.”

‘Temple of love’

I met Tamar Mali, 36, at Tamera, an ecological peace community with a free-sex aura about it that’s been operating for the past 24 years in the country’s south. Mali, who says she’s planning to build a “temple of love” on the farm she bought in the area, has a tight schedule of lectures and workshops, so the only time we could meet was during supper. If she misses it, she won’t eat for many more hours.

After devoting half her life to the Israel Scouts movement, first as a scout and then as a leader, Mali is now active in the community of Israeli farmers here. “I am a person that deals with events, I’m planning to screen the Eurovision contest for the Israeli community. You can count on the Israelis here. I celebrate the Passover seder on my farm, but without reading the part about the plagues. Everyone talks about freedom. As I see it, every event is a reason to party. Christmas or Hanukkah or Eurovision.”

After leaving the Scouts, Mali studied sexual healing in London and visited ecological and spiritual communities around the world. “In the end I understood that I would not remain in any of the communities, because my mission is to establish a place myself, to establish the temple of love.” Her explanation is persuasive: “If there is a synagogue for the God of the Jews, and churches, I want to build something for love, which is the force that can bring healing to the world.”

She bought a 130-dunam farm near São Martinho do Porto, on which she intends to erect the temple of love in an old, half-destroyed structure. “In temples of love there is sexual work, and a prospect that there will be things related to sexual therapy. It’s a place that sets out to celebrate and activate that force in the world.”

Why not in Israel, a country where love is needed?

Mali: “I am very Israeli. It’s not that I left Israel because I scorned it. But what’s related to sexuality in Israel is more complicated. And to find 130 dunams in Israel is almost impossible.”

Even though the temple of love hasn’t yet been built, it has already brought about an impressive achievement: The first volunteer who arrived at the site, an expert in the art of paper folding, fell in love with Mali. “There are people who don’t leave Tel Aviv, because they’re afraid they won’t find a relationship,” she says. “One volunteer showed up, and now he’s my partner.”

HERE THEY GO AGAIN!

"Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth."

- Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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It takes little for this enrichment to tank tourism for real.

As for technology - obviously it's possible for moral values to be upkept even with the aid of technology.

You can enact positive reinforcing campaigns, force creators to embed conservative talking points and other measures. What the globalists are doing is the opposite - they infiltrated all venues to blast their crap across the board. Of course it was more effective with technology, but lack of science and technology has an enormous amount of drawbacks. But obviously you CAN NEVER LET GO OF MEDIA, ENTERTAINMENT, ACADEMIA, BANKING - because if you do, then technology works for them.

Though again - all of it can serve you if you take control of it from the other side - art, media and academia can be uplifting - and not even based on religion. Red Pill, masculinity and real femininity - all can be explained by science. Guys like Roosh, Rollo or Kruser should be given professorships and teach the wisdom in universities. There are a ton of studies out there that completely destroyed equalist thinking of feminism and transgenderism - but those scientists and studies are suppressed by the current globalist leadership. It's not technology per se that is doing it, but they simply use it since they control it.
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I found this reaction of the Burlington Bar to the postmodernist destruction of Game of Thrones hilarious.

It's hilarious because at that moment the SJW leftie viewers see their heros go up in flames.

It reminded me of what their faces will look like when Europeans become minorities in the contries they built and when the diverse multicultural places become violent or inefficient shitholes. Those will be the faces they will make when the real enrichment hits them and burns everything to the ground.

People should realize that George RR Martin is a postmodernist leftie cultural marxist writer vs the order and logos one that was Tolkien. Tolkien believed in true good vs evil while the marxists take this shade-of-grey view. Sure - the reality is a bit more grey, but we as a society need inspirational heroes and stories or sooner or later everything is lost in societal nihilism.
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(05-16-2019 02:54 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  While we are in Portugal:


It takes little for this enrichment to tank tourism for real.

was there this past Sunday, on that exact same spot.
It is a great and nice beach, unfortunately it is mostly populated with the wrong (color of) people. Quite often there are street fights over there.

If you're visiting, better go to the south side.
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They dont need large numbers to disrupt remember.

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Obviously Europe would require pretty soon Judge Dredd styled laws or they will collapse entirely.

And the funny part is those Africans will get asylum and eternal welfare including family reunification, multiple wives if they are Muslim. It does not matter even if they serve some prison time.

These are the engineers and architects that Europe needs.
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