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The difference is that the Jews hated (and still hate) Jesus because he smashed their ethnosupremacism. Jews who identify spiritually as such are identifying as members of the Abrahamic tribes and they believe that they are spiritually superior to humankind (the goyim). They believe their soul is superior to ours the same way we would believe our soul is superior to that of a dog for example.

Christians aren't (necessarily) Jews. Jesus ushered in the New Covenant where "God's chosen" ceased to be specifically the Jews (no matter what they did) and was broadened to be everyone who sought Him out.

The OT is useful for historical context but Jesus struck down Jewish ethnosupremacism so it's little wonder they hate him and hate Christians so much. An ethnic semite can convert to Christianity but Judaism is fundamentally at odds with Christianity and they cannot coexist. This also gives an insight into why they are so determined to destroy the West. We built a great civilization under the Cross and it boils their blood that Christ, who they consider a heretic, was so successful in spreading his word across the globe.

Imagine if Obama not only spread multiculturalism across the world but appeared to make the world all the better for it. Then imagine how that would make a dedicated KKK member feel. Then you will understand Jews and Judaism.

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Those Milanese are high strung.

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(09-15-2019 08:18 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Magnify this by 100 million and then wonder why Europe becomes a veritable shithole similar to most African countries.

This is just a tiny facet of things. This dysfunction gets transported across all levels. In countries like Nigeria everyone started to not pay their employees for weeks, months and even up to years. They always defer to later and since so many are doing it, then it has become a difficulty to find employers who don't do it. People still go to work due to lack of choice and on the mere hope that they may be paid their back wages.

Africans need a couple of generations of eugenic-IQ-focused breeding before they are able to create similar Western or Asian civilizations.
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(09-15-2019 08:18 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Simeon Strangelight Wrote:Magnify this by 100 million and then wonder why Europe becomes a veritable shithole similar to most African countries.

Wrong. If this imbecile dared to do this to a vehicle anywhere in Africa, he'd be lucky to escape alive. Even if the crew didn't lynch him on the spot, you can bet that their transport association would find him later and give him a thorough beating.

That's why you don't see such scenes in Africa - because people there know better than to stir up shit for no reason, and because they have their lives to go about instead of partying on the taxpayers' dime.

It's the welfare, legal immunity and intentional importation of the worst of the worst that makes these animals behave like this in France. They wouldn't dare do such a thing at home because at home there would be consequences.

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^^^

It's true in the third world no one brakes for the imbecile in the middle of the street.

He would simply be ragdolled up in the air with his stupid bulb head detached by whatever large vehicle or rail car he tried to block.

However, in the first world they know they can flex like this and get away with it.
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(09-17-2019 07:00 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Wrong. If this imbecile dared to do this to a vehicle anywhere in Africa, he'd be lucky to escape alive

Africa? don't do that shit in Poland...



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^ I could watch that video all day.

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(09-15-2019 10:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The OT is useful for historical context but Jesus struck down Jewish ethnosupremacism so it's little wonder they hate him and hate Christians so much. An ethnic semite can convert to Christianity but Judaism is fundamentally at odds with Christianity and they cannot coexist. This also gives an insight into why they are so determined to destroy the West. We built a great civilization under the Cross and it boils their blood that Christ, who they consider a heretic, was so successful in spreading his word across the globe.

This is what many believe but it is not consistent with my experience.

I had to deal with many jews and they didn't hate anyone, on the contrary they were very happy to be surrounded by obedient slaves raised to be nice guys.
They didn't really care about their religion, or ours to be honest - they were like many protestants I know, "thank god for giving me all this money" yeah ok, there it's pretty clear what their religion is.
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I suppose we could make the distinction between irreligious ethnic Jews or talmudists or zionists but I kind of think we'd be getting pedantic at that point.

Modern "nice guy" Christianity is a globalist invention. Christians have gone to war to defend Christendom before and may yet do so again. Or maybe a solar flare will simply all have us back in horses and carts in a decade.

The ultimate authority over the Church is God, not the pope or any cardinals, and God can operate through his servants as he sees fit at such time as he chooses to.

If you're looking for earthly guarantees then good luck. Better to complain about government than the Church if you don't trust God's plan.

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I was going to post this in the Irish Politics thread initially as it's by an Irish YouTuber who regularly covers things happening in Ireland, but actually this video applies to what's happening globally, and is an excellent analysis and breakdown of the strategies put forth by Thomas Barnett in his books, which outlines how the world is being and will continue to be internationalised and the blueprint for achieving that.

It's two hours but well worth sitting through and both watching and listening to (as there are important titles on screen too). He (The Don) does relate it to what's happening in Ireland too but mostly he keeps it tied to global happenings and how everything destructive we're seeing now (Multiculturalism, socially engineered mass immigration, Promotion of LBGT ideology, facilitating the Islamisation of the West, the promotion of AGW, Feminism, etc) is all designed and how these ideologies are being used to achieve this global order, and the crushing of nation states and the deracination of everyone in order to achieve maximum control, power and profits for those who control the world.


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(09-18-2019 02:57 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The ultimate authority over the Church is God, not the pope or any cardinals

Hmm well there are religions where you talk directly to your god(s), AFAIK the RCC is not one of them.
The status of those who claimed to have revelations of some sorts is dubious, at best they get officially recognized only posthumously and very reluctantly, otherwise everything goes through the clergy.
And honestly I'm afraid the recognition comes only because they couldn't burn them for sorcery instead Smile

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(09-17-2019 07:00 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(09-15-2019 08:18 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Simeon Strangelight Wrote:Magnify this by 100 million and then wonder why Europe becomes a veritable shithole similar to most African countries.

Wrong. If this imbecile dared to do this to a vehicle anywhere in Africa, he'd be lucky to escape alive. Even if the crew didn't lynch him on the spot, you can bet that their transport association would find him later and give him a thorough beating.

That's why you don't see such scenes in Africa - because people there know better than to stir up shit for no reason, and because they have their lives to go about instead of partying on the taxpayers' dime.

It's the welfare, legal immunity and intentional importation of the worst of the worst that makes these animals behave like this in France. They wouldn't dare do such a thing at home because at home there would be consequences.

The only reason that blacks don't behave like this in Africa is because they're not in the Jewish crosshairs. It has nothing to do with the strength of their societies. If Jews believed that Africans were a threat, then they'd have the pygmies dancing to hava nagila within six months.

Europe is being defiled because of Jewish influence. After all, who negotiated to let that piece of trash into France in the first place? The usual suspects like Kalergi, Barbara Spectre, etc. They're also the ones that make sure these crimes go unpunished.

The International jew is deathly afraid of the European Alpha male; therefore, he works 24/7 for the destruction of European nations like France. By contrast, the International jew believes that blacks are an inferior race which can be manipulated at will; thus, he leaves Africa alone - unless there's an opportunity to exploit its natural resources (like South African gold). If that's the case, then he boards the first available plane to the dark continent.

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France is already destroyed and emasculated. It is just a matter of time.

France is one of the countries I saw more interracial couples mostly foreign male and french women.

Maybe London is the only exception.
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(09-18-2019 05:41 AM)amity Wrote:  I was going to post this in the Irish Politics thread initially as it's by an Irish YouTuber who regularly covers things happening in Ireland, but actually this video applies to what's happening globally, and is an excellent analysis and breakdown of the strategies put forth by Thomas Barnett in his books, which outlines how the world is being and will continue to be internationalised and the blueprint for achieving that.

It's two hours but well worth sitting through and both watching and listening to (as there are important titles on screen too). He (The Don) does relate it to what's happening in Ireland too but mostly he keeps it tied to global happenings and how everything destructive we're seeing now (Multiculturalism, socially engineered mass immigration, Promotion of LBGT ideology, facilitating the Islamisation of the West, the promotion of AGW, Feminism, etc) is all designed and how these ideologies are being used to achieve this global order, and the crushing of nation states and the deracination of everyone in order to achieve maximum control, power and profits for those who control the world.



Just go to 7:40 for the big lesson.

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(09-18-2019 01:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 05:41 AM)amity Wrote:  I was going to post this in the Irish Politics thread initially as it's by an Irish YouTuber who regularly covers things happening in Ireland, but actually this video applies to what's happening globally, and is an excellent analysis and breakdown of the strategies put forth by Thomas Barnett in his books, which outlines how the world is being and will continue to be internationalised and the blueprint for achieving that.

It's two hours but well worth sitting through and both watching and listening to (as there are important titles on screen too). He (The Don) does relate it to what's happening in Ireland too but mostly he keeps it tied to global happenings and how everything destructive we're seeing now (Multiculturalism, socially engineered mass immigration, Promotion of LBGT ideology, facilitating the Islamisation of the West, the promotion of AGW, Feminism, etc) is all designed and how these ideologies are being used to achieve this global order, and the crushing of nation states and the deracination of everyone in order to achieve maximum control, power and profits for those who control the world.



Just go to 7:40 for the big lesson.

It's a good take on the book - that bloke was certainly on some of the planning teams. And on top of it he seems to be a true believer of that crap. His concepts are not new and mass migration is a tool to not only destroy the West, but also beef up the low-IQ "gap-countries" as they are told.

Still - somehow I doubt that the elite believes that a future 90-IQ population in the West will be able to uphold things. But I guess they believe that they don't need the useless eaters anymore and the new core of China and India will simply produce most necessities.

Again - one of those books like with Quigley or Attali where the very existence of their works is proof that there is a giant conspiracy going on. He predicted exactly the future 15 years in advance.

And he bemoans Japan staying monolithic. Not only Japan will do so, but Taiwan, South Korea and China will be the same. Diversity is not a fucking strength.

India will improve even if they are multi-racial within - they will likely take over from China around 2500. Meanwhile the West will be like Rome by then even if the tech won't be lost.
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(09-18-2019 06:56 AM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
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Simeon Strangelight Wrote:Magnify this by 100 million and then wonder why Europe becomes a veritable shithole similar to most African countries.

Wrong. If this imbecile dared to do this to a vehicle anywhere in Africa, he'd be lucky to escape alive. Even if the crew didn't lynch him on the spot, you can bet that their transport association would find him later and give him a thorough beating.

That's why you don't see such scenes in Africa - because people there know better than to stir up shit for no reason, and because they have their lives to go about instead of partying on the taxpayers' dime.

It's the welfare, legal immunity and intentional importation of the worst of the worst that makes these animals behave like this in France. They wouldn't dare do such a thing at home because at home there would be consequences.

The only reason that blacks don't behave like this in Africa is because they're not in the Jewish crosshairs. It has nothing to do with the strength of their societies. If Jews believed that Africans were a threat, then they'd have the pygmies dancing to hava nagila within six months.

Europe is being defiled because of Jewish influence. After all, who negotiated to let that piece of trash into France in the first place? The usual suspects like Kalergi, Barbara Spectre, etc. They're also the ones that make sure these crimes go unpunished.

The International jew is deathly afraid of the European Alpha male; therefore, he works 24/7 for the destruction of European nations like France. By contrast, the International jew believes that blacks are an inferior race which can be manipulated at will; thus, he leaves Africa alone - unless there's an opportunity to exploit its natural resources (like South African gold). If that's the case, then he boards the first available plane to the dark continent.

But that's exactly what I'm saying - it's a (((subversion))) thing, not an African thing.

Dump the contents of a Norwegian prison into Botswana and give them diplomatic immunity and tons of free money, and you can bet they'll be plundering and raping around in no time too.

Who in this world wouldn't act like a crazed animal when placed into an environment with no consequences for anything?

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(09-18-2019 10:05 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Dump the contents of a Norwegian prison into Botswana

"so they did deport us back home .. ?"
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Great talk by a Youtuber with regard to the principle of Europe for the Europeans.

He mentions that he is living in Vietnam and this kind of ethno-nationalist thinking is natural to them. In contrast they cannot even fathom to understand the sheer hatred that many Westerners have for their homecountries. The Westerners despite having some of the highest achievements in all of human history on all levels - science, technology, workers rights, working conditions, human rights - they always continue to malign themselves.
No Arab ever apologizes for slavery despite practicing it up until the 1940s almost everywhere.
But here you have former British White slaves in the US (almost 500.000 Irish were White slaves in the early days) apologizing for slavery as some kind of class-guilt. Meanwhile the Arab does not give a shit - he would enslave you tomorrow if he was allowed to do so.

Though - how much that awareness will bring remains to be seen. At best the Europeans would have to split off within their former nations and I simply see little possibility for that to happen.
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The problem runs so much deeper.

How will people have national identity when they have no communal identity? When people had national pride, the connection was not Me -> Country. It was Me -> Family -> Neighborhood -> Locality -> Region -> Country. And all those things existed in connection with and depended on each other, within clear physical realities, objective technical settings and organizations - that have all or almost all been destroyed except in the most remote areas - and those are the domain of the very old and this world where it still exists will die with them (unless some of us make an effort to rebuild it, which to me is the right and really only course of action).

They don't deconstruct this from the top, they do it from the bottom because that is the only way you can do it. They destroy your communities first, so you end up living in apartment buildings where you don't know your neighbors. The construction of those neighborhoods themselves tend toward atomization, not relationships. Where there are places for gathering and talking, they are always centered on consumption and once consumption is over because the stores are closed everyone is gone to their atomized cave - only the teenagers stay to smoke joints and even that is based on consumption.

I still remember a world from my childhood where the people (from children to the elderly) in a neighborhood would gather in a central plaza and just talk, kids running around like maniacs as I used to do, playing whatever fantasy, old people sitting in benches playing chess or domino or just talking (often keeping an eye on the young), teenagers getting to know the opposite sex while adults stood around talking about stuff I didn't understand and kept an eye on the teenagers hormones. Everyone returned to their homes on foot. Everyone knew each other. I remember vividly being reprimanded by people who were not my family, that would say 'I will tell your grandma!'; or going to the local grocery store (where the man would pick the items you wanted, not you) to buy some stuff (including alcohol and cigarettes) for my parents or grandparents, and putting it on the bill because the man knew I was mr. stabets' grandson. And so on.

This world is gone. And before it was gone from people's mind's it was gone from people's lives, from their physical surroundings. When my parents got a car, we moved further away - to a nameless neighborhood where we knew no one and no one knew each other. Where places for community disappeared. Even the Churches were changed, in these neighborhoods the churches did not have a central place of gathering for before or after - it was simply a building, to be used for this purpose alone.

Eventually this was the fate of everyone - only the old people stayed in their old homes, until they died - and now almost all those houses have been sold to rich people, from Angola or China mostly, but even if they were all Portuguese, the neighborhood is now only a dormitory anyway. And the plaza where we used to gather without any consumption in mind (the only store there used to be a butcher) now has a McDonalds and a Starbucks along with many other stores, with nice chairs outside and chill out music for tourists, who think the old neighborhood is so nice - but no one lives there anymore. That plaza had old ladies standing in the window sills talking to their friends. Now they are only stores. Some of them have nice 'portuguese' trinkets on them - from North to South, as if these things just existed in a vacuum. The tourists take some with them home, thinking they have some artifact from Portuguese culture, but they do not. Now all the interaction is tied to buying stuff and once consumption is over, you're out of there. It's no longer a Portuguese neighborhood, but housing/commercial section number XVIII from another indistinguishable province of the globalist empire.

My mom used to work party time when we lived with my grandparents in a small stationary shop that basically catered to the schools around there. That store is long gone and so are all the others who were owned or rented from people we knew and that had worked there for decades, sometimes passing it on to their children, even if the place was ultimately not owned by them - but the owners had similar lives elsewhere and allowed it to continue - at least until they were tempted by unnaturally inflated prices. They were all sold for the valuable property and now they have fancy restaurants cause it's near some tourist attractions. And none of the people working there live close by or stay there very long. They come from dormitory neighborhoods hours away. So now you live hours away from your work, which means several hours of your day are lost in traffic - no connection is possible there. You can try to use those hours usefully to educate yourself for example, but that is no replacement for community and its a tall order to think the majority will use that time in that manner. Instead they will listen to propaganda, or play smartphone games, or browse Instagram.

The new type of job you have, also, provides no deep connection with your co-workers. You all have similar lives, commuting to work, living in souless neighborhoods, but once you change jobs, most likely that relationship is gone, because it was based on utility.

And so with everything else: every sphere was subjected to this principle of utility and not surprisingly everything you get out of it is utilitarian.

So if you live in a nameless place, do a nameless job for nameless people, you consume global products, sourced from global markets, you don't know who you live around and they don't know you, why would it matter if it's Chinese or Portuguese? You're pretty much as disconnected from the latter as the former. It's simply insane to expect people to cherish their heritage if the basis, the local, the direct community, does not exist. And the physical surroundings simply do not lend themselves to creating relationships, so it will never happen. The only thing you have in common is deracination and that is no basis for deep connection, the same way you won't bond over heroin addiction unless you are already in recovery.

And now of course we're entering the ultimate destruction of personal identity, which is easy once you remove those intermediate steps. It will be finally Me -> Higher Identity, but this identity because it's based on nothing but utility and consumption, is Global and therefore will never support national identity. Most forget that Nationalism, where the name comes from, is an invention of the enlightenment, of liberal thought, and its objective was deracination just the same. It was what so many think now is the solution: Me -> Country. But that is already a destruction of what made us who we were. Me-> Global is simply the next logical step. I cannot emphasize enough how important this is.

I will refrain from framing this explicitly in the technical and technological setting that is inseparable from all of this so as not to trigger anyone, but some of you might be able to read between the lines and see the connection.

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(09-21-2019 05:57 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  I will refrain from framing this explicitly in the technical and technological setting that is inseparable from all of this so as not to trigger anyone

On the contrary, please do.
To me money is more the problem than technology, but I can be reasoned with if you have solid arguments.
Unless you mean technology helped many morons survive when they should be long gone instead, then I fully agree.
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RE: Migrant invasion of Europe
"technology helped many morons survive when they should be long gone instead" that is only one aspect of it, but you can extrapolate it from there. I made a comment on the 'genetically modified mosquito' thread today that summarizes my view.

Money can be seen as a technology (or technique, rather), for example. I would expand on it more, but my wife is calling me to dinner.

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RE: Migrant invasion of Europe
So, to expand, first I'll copy the post I referred to:

«This is the paradox at the heart of all technique, of which technology is but one aspect: like Icarus, the wings allow us to fly but in doing so also bring us close to the sun, melting them and leading us to fall to our death. Without the wings he wouldn't fly, but he also wouldn't fall.

Every power technique provides, makes us both stronger and weaker in equal measure.

Writing enabled complex ideas to be fully thought out, while destroying our capacity to memorize. Socrates, for example, thought that a truly intelligent person had to have knowledge committed to memory, writing it down being a form of weak mindedness - and of course on the other hand we know this because his disciple, Plato, wrote down all he said.

And so it goes with every individual example.

For a long time our societies, because they weren't oriented solely to efficiency, were able to deal fairly well with this paradox and limited the applications of technique - limiting both its benefits, but also its detriments. Since materialism has taken hold, we have lost that nuance, and thus are thrown head first into every development - but the paradox still remains, and given the acceleration, we will see it play out more vividly where before it would take decades or even centuries. Buckle up.»

Now, I am bit tired so I'll excuse myself with this in case what follows is convoluted, but here it is (and btw, the original post was not directed at you Ober).

In relation to Europeans regaining a sense of what it means to be European: just like some believe in magical dirt, some people believe in magical blood - which, seemingly, makes more sense, but it's just as devoid of context.

Here's an example, which is equally emboldening and damning to 'white nationalism' (at least of a certain kind). All the royal families of old Europe, the Europe we came to love and whose artifacts we hold dear, were of Germanic descent. This is true of the Germanic nations, obviously, but also of Portugal, Spain, Russia or Hungary. If you believe in nobility you also believe in blood, but it's clearly more than that, which is weird because most white nationalists are obviously not monarchists, whereas I being a monarchist am not a white nationalist.

The nations within Europe, on the other hand, were never this monolith that modernity thinks. First of all, so many nations perished, not in spite of Nationalism, but because of it. The old languages and cultures of Italy, France, Germany and everywhere else with the strange exception of Portugal, which was indeed unified (except for Galiza and its language, which is a Portuguese dialect), have died as a result of artificial unification under the banner of nationalism (just one of those ironies of history). There was continuum, genetic, cultural and linguistic, going form the westernmost point in my home country to the steppes of Russia, and while Russian and Portugal are very far apart, they still share something because of this continuum, while being very dissimilar in most ways.

The peoples of Europe and the monarchs who ruled them were not the same. Except in purely Germanic countries, this was true for most of our history. When did we start losing our sense of identity? When we substituted genetically, culturally and linguistically foreign peoples as our rulers for rulers similar to us. The Occitans no longer really exist - but they did exist when ruled by foreign people, the Germanic royals.

This ties back to technique because it was this utilitarian mindset which substituted the rulers - it logically thought out that if someone should rule a people, they should at least come from those people. And soon that people should rule themselves. Never mind that this is never possible, but it is logically consistent. It just follows from a wrong premise, the premise of development as a basis for action. The thing is development as a goal ends up being in itself a denial of the existence of Good, of the optimum, of the Truth - since ultimately what exists at a certain moment can theoretically, according to the 'progressives', be improved. This is what they thought they were doing, or convinced others of it, when they toppled the 'alien' nobility.

It's evident that, at various levels, material, intellectual and spiritual, we can improve, since we're not perfect, and therefore there is always a higher ideal of perfection to aim at. But this ideal is itself fixed, it doesn't need improvement, and that is what allows for true development. What the obsession with technique has done was to remove this sense of the optimum, and instead replace it with progress, never ending, always moving, flux of development. The idea that the ideal can be improved makes so that in practice there is no ideal, other than the flux itself. This is what we see in our societies, run amok, at every level - there are no absolutes anymore. You wrote somewhere that you stop reading when you see 'gender' and I commend you, because I have almost given up that fight (same with using the word 'elites'). We can't even get that right anymore. And we have the primacy of efficiency to thank for that - because we can 'evolve', and so does our nature. This ties back to the lie of evolution, but that is another deep topic I'll have to delve some other time as I'm getting tired.

If development is the ultimate ideal, utility becomes the only motor or inhibitor of action, and utilitarianism being what it is, always viewed from the perspective of who postulates it, has its end result in chaos, since my utility will at some point go against that of someone else, and not only that, is incredibly subjective - which is another paradox of technique. While providing the most efficient way of attaining a goal, it says nothing about the validity of such goal, and in fact, it is completely independent of having a goal to begin with. This is why you see so many scientists trying to solve problems that nobody has (like splicing different species). Sure for the grant money they say it's for a philanthropic reason, but we know it's just them riding out the technical obsession.

One other point relating to money (and specifically usury): money is a technique itself, a medium of exchange. In itself it is pretty neutral. But if you are a anthropological pessimist (as I am because I believe literally in the Fall), then you understand there is no such thing as a neutral technique, because the ones using it are never neutral. And so money, obviously, can give us a lot of problems. So the Church prohibited some uses of it, like usury. This prohibition prevented a lot of investments, and therefore prevented a lot of developments. What I am suggesting and have suggested before is that some developments should be prevented, a thought that doesn't seem to even occur to anyone, or be entertained for more than five seconds. Just give us more, louder, brighter, is what I see people asking for. And we'll get more, and with it, we'll get less. The liberation of usury meant the enslavement of people, and it led to the funding and development of numerous techniques and technologies. The thing with technique is we cannot separate the good from the bad - antibiotics save us, but also makes us weaker, as you alluded to. And so it is with every technique: its bad does not come independent from the good, and vice versa. We must take them both.

So if we do not place any barriers on technical development and do not have any means to contain it, we will forever live in flux, we'll have wondrous technological marvels like we have now, but we'll never have stable societies, including homogeneity in culture and race. Our sense of community is destroyed when we artificially expand it physically, it really as as simple as that. The societies and values we hold as ideals cannot exist outside of the physical boundaries that created and nurtured them, the same way the fins of killer whales become crooked when placed in captivity and the same way a man who is always siting down will lose the use of his legs, we have lost the use of community by getting rid of the physical necessity of it.

Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.
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RE: Migrant invasion of Europe
(09-21-2019 03:04 PM)ilostabet Wrote:  I would expand on it more, but my wife is calling me to dinner.

I know the problem, and lack time too.
I will still try to answer your various points in the few minutes I have, some points may be missed, on purpose or not Smile
But feel free to say it if you think they deserve attention.
Anyway :

1. Technique makes stronger and weaker.
Sure.
With power comes responsibility can be generalized into with change comes risk.
However would you rather not have discovered fire, because a few might burn themselves with it ?
Note that this is a rhetorical question anyway, you then wouldn't but others would have, and fire is what allowed man to grow a big brain (to put it shortly).
So you have been a better monkey, while they (we) evolved into a superior species.

2. Writing probably lessened memory capacity, sure.
However the idea was to transmit information to your children, so that they could avoid having to do all your mistakes to be able to learn from them.
So technically they didn't have any memory of that which they didn't actually live but got from you or your forefathers in written.
This however poses the question of what you want to prioritize, your own generation or your descendants, a very valid question asked implicitly several times on this forum already (cf musk's brain implant for instance).

3. The perpetual acceleration of technology/efficiency/development.
To me this is simply growth, needed by the financial system.
So yeah, the only criterium is more than before, not better or worse.
Quantity over quality.
And yes we need to reverse this or it will kill us all.
Also some people cannot distinguish between novelty and progress - hello germany !

4. Nationalists and monarchists.
Well this is a funny example - here in france many nationalists are both fierce catholics and monarchists.
Me, well my ancestors fought and sometimes died to free themselves from the cloth and from the sword.
Now these people want both back (church and king), needless to say it's hard to find a common ground with them.
For me freedom comes first, and I find it very hard to tolerate someone taking it away from me because the masses cannot handle it.
That's their problem not mine.

5. Monarchs being of german descent ok well I'm of german descent too so I don't care Smile

6. People are not able to rules themselves.
Not sure why you would say that ?
Pre-christian europe was a tribal society, there were no real rulers at all except the people themselves.
Now sure it was a society and not a civilization (which you seem to think is good/needed), however you say we should end technology - yet it was technology which allowed civilization.
So there's a contradiction I would say, unless I misunderstood you there.

7. The lie of evolution - yeah I'm not getting into that one Wink

8. Splicing species.
This is basically the same thing as transhumanism - the elites are pushing this for themselves first.
This is why I don't think they can be called satanic in the sense that they believe in satan - to me they know that no god and no devil will give them eternal life, and they are thus looking for it themselves.
There are some animals which can regrow limbs, other which are basically immortal, and mixing DNA seems to allow importing features from them, so if you have billions and fear of death t's only logical to fund this.

9. Money is only a tool.
Well at the beginning maybe it was but that was a long time ago Smile
I think the amount of money used on money itself is 10 times the amount of money in the real economy, so finance is 10 times more important than the real world if you take this literally.
So yeah money is a tool, just as a shotgun aimed at your foot is a tool.

10. Some developments should be prevented.
Most probably.
However in my experience if something can be done it will be done eventually.
You'll always find a moron to find some interest even in the stupidest of things.
So I just don't believe you can really prevent any of it - except maybe let the morons get burned when they play with fire so that they don't feel like trying again ?
I'm not sure even that would work .. maybe pushing them into the fire then ?
Not a very christian thing to do admittedly Smile

11. Size and community.
This is true.
Globalization is too much for normal men.
Nothing means anything anymore.
What we can do is a question I don't have an answer for unfortunately.
I see the majority at the bottom and only know how to fight this top-down.
So I'm good (for the moment at least), but how does that help when the whole society collapses around me ..
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