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(12-29-2015 02:31 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Star Wars fans ask #WheresRey as The Force Awakens hero left out of merchandise

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/...1248965ee4

SHE’S the hero of the new Star Wars movie, but that seems to have
slipped Disney’s mind.

Fans shopping for The Force Awakens merchandise have taken to
Twitter to express their outrage that Daisy Ridley’s character, Rey,
seems to be largely missing from shelves.

It didn't slip Disney's mind. SW merchandise is manufactured by licensees — who pay hefty fees and presumably are interested in moving a lot of product.

When I was a kid, the Princess Leia action figure was the one I & my friends coveted least.
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(12-29-2015 08:05 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  
(12-29-2015 02:31 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Star Wars fans ask #WheresRey as The Force Awakens hero left out of merchandise

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/...1248965ee4

SHE’S the hero of the new Star Wars movie, but that seems to have
slipped Disney’s mind.

Fans shopping for The Force Awakens merchandise have taken to
Twitter to express their outrage that Daisy Ridley’s character, Rey,
seems to be largely missing from shelves.

It didn't slip Disney's mind. SW merchandise is manufactured by licensees — who pay hefty fees and presumably are interested in moving a lot of product.

When I was a kid, the Princess Leia action figure was the one I & my friends coveted least.



Same thing happened with The Avengers' black widow action figure..

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1- Realizes kids wont buy female action figures while geeks will buy anything with a Star Wars logo on it.

2- Makes a limited run of Starwars female action figures.

3- Female figures sell out in pre-orders and thus wont make it to the shelves.

4- Gynoids go up in arms at the lack of female action figures.

5- The market value of said figures go up and thus geeks are happy, ensuring the continuing sales of any shitty action figure they put out for the next 20 years.

6- Profits from a kiddie movie with a shitty plot.

7- Hope Marvel is taking notes for their next kiddie movie with shitty plot.

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(12-28-2015 10:31 AM)Remington Wrote:  It really pissed me off that Rey was able to kick Kylo Ren's ass with 0 training. Kylo trained with Luke Skywalker for goodness sake. Either Kylo is a gigantic pussy or Luke can't train for shit.

I thought about this also, I think its somewhat plausbible considering

1. Kylo Ren was wounded from the gun blast

2. His training as a true Sith warrior has not been completed as stated by the supreme emperor.

3. Its implied that when Rey touched lukes light saber some battle instincts were passed on her to.

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(12-29-2015 09:18 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  
(12-28-2015 10:31 AM)Remington Wrote:  It really pissed me off that Rey was able to kick Kylo Ren's ass with 0 training. Kylo trained with Luke Skywalker for goodness sake. Either Kylo is a gigantic pussy or Luke can't train for shit.

3. Its implied that when Rey touched lukes light saber some battle instincts were passed on her to.

What about Anakin's lightsaber when Luke got it from Obi-Wan?

I think you're just rationalizing.
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(12-29-2015 09:21 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  
(12-29-2015 09:18 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  
(12-28-2015 10:31 AM)Remington Wrote:  It really pissed me off that Rey was able to kick Kylo Ren's ass with 0 training. Kylo trained with Luke Skywalker for goodness sake. Either Kylo is a gigantic pussy or Luke can't train for shit.

3. Its implied that when Rey touched lukes light saber some battle instincts were passed on her to.

What about Anakin's lightsaber when Luke got it from Obi-Wan?

I think you're just rationalizing.

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Even though there were some shaky things in the movie I enjoyed it, I just there was more Sith and Jedi stuff. Hopefully future films will delve into more light and darkness

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Point 4 Avon would be that Kylo was deeply conflicted after just killing his father and was not fully concentrating on the fight. Per reddit, this is detailed more fully in the novelization of the movie.
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The fact we have to discover what the fuck was eating Gilbert Grape from a novelisation of the movie does not speak for the ability, craft, or competence of the film's writer or director. Similarly the suggestion that "it'll all be explained in the next film." If you have to make another movie to explain what happened in the first movie, the first movie has failed in its function.
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Definately agree with that Paracelsus.
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(12-29-2015 10:03 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  The fact we have to discover what the fuck was eating Gilbert Grape from a novelisation of the movie does not speak for the ability, craft, or competence of the film's writer or director. Similarly the suggestion that "it'll all be explained in the next film." If you have to make another movie to explain what happened in the first movie, the first movie has failed in its function.

True. Like I said enjoyed the film but there is some shaky stuff with a lot of the logic. I would give a 7.5 out of 10. It left some stuff unanswered and also didn't convey all of the ideas properly.

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Thankfully JJ Abrams is not doing the next one.
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(12-29-2015 10:03 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  The fact we have to discover what the fuck was eating Gilbert Grape from a novelisation of the movie does not speak for the ability, craft, or competence of the film's writer or director. Similarly the suggestion that "it'll all be explained in the next film." If you have to make another movie to explain what happened in the first movie, the first movie has failed in its function.

Well, I think the function of these types of movies is to get you buy tickets for the next one.

I watched the first Hunger Games (on TV) but then just realized it was a pile of shit. But others I bet kept buying tickets to see how it all ended.

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(12-29-2015 10:19 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
(12-29-2015 10:03 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  The fact we have to discover what the fuck was eating Gilbert Grape from a novelisation of the movie does not speak for the ability, craft, or competence of the film's writer or director. Similarly the suggestion that "it'll all be explained in the next film." If you have to make another movie to explain what happened in the first movie, the first movie has failed in its function.

Well, I think the function of these types of movies is to get you buy tickets for the next one.

I watched the first Hunger Games (on TV) but then just realized it was a pile of shit. But others I bet kept buying tickets to see how it all ended.

Oh, sure, I agree the prime function of this film is to sell more movies and sell toys. And I've no doubt there'll be bales of bandwidth consumed in Star Wars wikias explaining this shit at length and papering over shitty holes in the script. I mean, fuck, I was arguing with someone yesterday that, apparently, the old dude at the start of the movie and the nasty trader who deals with Rey are actually her guardians a la Obi-Wan in ANH. To me, it doesn't change the fact the film was sloppily written or tried to squeeze everything in.
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Took my 72 year old mother to see the movie on Sunday. She is both and old school lady, having being born in South America, and a bit Americanized, since she came to work as a nurse, in New York, in her early 20s.
Though she is a big star wars fan, she had not been keeping up, and had no idea what to expect
I don't know when she gasped for air more...when she saw the black storm trooper, at the beginning of the movie, or when she realized the lead character was a girl, whose first name means King in Spanish.
Afterwards, she was simply bored and almost fell asleep in the middle of the film. I don't blame her.
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(12-29-2015 10:25 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  To me, it doesn't change the fact the film was sloppily written or tried to squeeze everything in.

No disagreement there.

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Harrison Ford paid 76 times more than main stars of star wars...feminists losing their shit

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Carrie Fisher is getting body shammed, poor girl. But she's bravely firing back.


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I enjoyed the movie on my first watch through but that's coz I can usually take a lot of my identity politics stuff out of my mind when I'm watching movies. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but because this is a movie that generates discussion basically everywhere, I've been forced to look at how this was made and directed and the messages it was trying to get across.

Yes, Rey is the ultimate Mary Sue. How the fuck is she gonna get on the Millenium Falcon for 10 minutes and then start telling Han Solo how to fucking fly it? Fuck off. Seriously. As for her beating Kylo Ren, they have killed the credibility of that character so much now that he's basically going to have to solo defeat a bunch of Jedi for anyone to take him seriously in the next film. That's bad story-telling to destroy the credibility of your villain by having him lose to an untrained newly force awakened person (who gives up size and body weight in spades btw).

With all the discussion I've seen from other places on the web and how much they're rubbing their clits over Rey, one of the most obnoxious things I've seen put forward is that Leia is going to be given a lightsaber because she was a hidden Jedi all along. Swear to god if Leia starts flipping around fighting with a lightsaber I will walk out. Leia's strength and quality as a character has always come from places OTHER than her ability with the force and if they give that to her it just fucking tips their hand even more.

And again all this is doing is just exposing how much cock envy feminists have. Looking at all the 'strong' female characters we've gotten from fiction this year (Jessica Jones, Furiosa, Rey), they are just men with tits. They refuse to acknowledge that men and women are different and that women can be strong in ways that DON'T involve flipping around shooting guns drinking whiskey. They will never figure that out, and until Hollywood gets crippled financially we're going to keep seeing men with tits as main characters in these movies.

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(12-30-2015 02:17 AM)Lucario Wrote:  Harrison Ford paid 76 times more than main stars of star wars...feminists losing their shit

http://www.infowars.com/harrison-ford-hi...sts-react/

That's really sad. From IMDB for Harrison Ford:

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(12-30-2015 02:17 AM)Lucario Wrote:  Harrison Ford paid 76 times more than main stars of star wars...feminists losing their shit

http://www.infowars.com/harrison-ford-hi...sts-react/

Daaamn, this tweet (from a woman, no less!):

"Well nobody else could have played Han Solo and anybody could have played Rey."

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(12-30-2015 05:51 PM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  As for her beating Kylo Ren, they have killed the credibility of that character so much now that he's basically going to have to solo defeat a bunch of Jedi for anyone to take him seriously in the next film. That's bad story-telling to destroy the credibility of your villain by having him lose to an untrained newly force awakened person (who gives up size and body weight in spades btw).

Imagine if Luke, after seeing Ben killed on the Death Star, ran over and beat the living fuck out of Vader. Instead, even after being trained by Yoda (and training on his own for years), Vader clowns him, then easily beats him on Bespin. Luke only wins on the DS2 because Vader is conflicted over killing his own son.

Kylo should have force choked Finn unconscious, then toyed with Rey until Chewie showed up and started shooting at him from the Falcon - giving Rey and Finn enough time to get on the ship and escape. That would at least set up a test for our plucky heroine to overcome.
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Saw this last night.

Best way I can put it is that even my wife was complaining about how ridiculous the "girl power!!" meme is in this movie. Rey can do EVERYTHING she's an expert pilot, expert hand to hand combatant, and expert tech all without training. It's about as ridiculous as Anakin in Phantom Menace.
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(12-29-2015 10:15 PM)Repo Wrote:  Thankfully JJ Abrams is not doing the next one.

But Disney is.

You're naive to expect the script of "Whatever makes most money with the least risk" to change.
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My point being that even with keeping the SJW elements, they could have told the story better. There are ideas in the story they simply failed to explain properly which falls on the director, not Disney.
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^ Yes I agree and the editing is also very patchy. However I'm actually surprised because I really enjoyed both Star Treks he did. The quality of work there was 10 times higher.

So I still blame Disney, which are the final Powers That Be in this movie. Let's try to see how the next movie looks like.. I'd bet not to hold my breath.

And there's definitely no deliberate "SJW propaganda" in this star wars. Just Disney shoving in whatever it takes to have the media cheering for the movie so they can rake more income.

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