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(09-30-2015 03:47 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Now that they got logistics locked down, they can bomb with impunity, shitty things that they'll of course have collateral damage.

Since these ISIS pussies will run away and blend in with the civilian population.

The reports about civilian victims from Russian bombings are faked, the source for those news is "White Helmets" NGO that has close ties with other George Soros organizations.
10-01-2015 03:38 AM
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I may be talking out of my ass but when the dust settles here; is Syria a viable place for investment and additional oil services?

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Hopefully Russia relayed to the US that if the Syrian terrorists get manpads that the Taliban would, too. Here's McCain the idiot...

http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syria...an-planes/
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(10-01-2015 10:05 AM)greekgod Wrote:  I may be talking out of my ass but when the dust settles here; is Syria a viable place for investment and additional oil services?

A an old friend of mine(iraqi canadian) bought a few apartments in Damascus just months after the protests started. He saw the falling prices and thought it would all blow over pretty soon and would sell them back at 3 times what he payed for shortly after. Talk about a bad investment.

I hear Lebanon is doing well though.
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(10-01-2015 10:29 AM)8ball Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:05 AM)greekgod Wrote:  I may be talking out of my ass but when the dust settles here; is Syria a viable place for investment and additional oil services?

A an old friend of mine(iraqi canadian) bought a few apartments in Damascus just months after the protests started. He saw the falling prices and thought it would all blow over pretty soon and would sell them back at 3 times what he payed for shortly after. Talk about a bad investment.

I hear Lebanon is doing well though.

Everything eventually hits a bottom and bounces back.

Mogadishu has robust property market right now as they need developers to come meet demands for apartments and hotels. The place was in ruins, and Somila no matter what people tell you, is still not yet a functioning State yet but money can be made there. If that can happen there then almost anywhere can bounce back.

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(09-30-2015 04:10 PM)Akula Wrote:  What am I missing here?

All the baby boomers and 70-year-olds who watch Fox News and have zero skin in the game want us to get in a war with Russia over this just so they have something new to watch. The neocohens who tell them what to think are extremely upset that Putin wants to bring stability to the country rather than let the endless bloodshed go on indefinitely for the benefit of Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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The only way out of this mess is for Russia to destroy the rebels, including the "moderate" ones. I hope Putin mobilizes a ground force. Very risky, but it's the only way you're going to end this thing quickly and it would force the US to get the fuck out of Syrian airspace.

The funny thing is, most of the buzz I've seen around in the US indicates that Americans are supportive of Putin and do not trust Washington's foreign policy because they've come to realize it's retarded.

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(09-30-2015 12:41 PM)spalex Wrote:  I hope Russia just annexes the whole shitty country, drains them of their natural gas and oil and implements the standard Russian No bullshit, No excuses rules.

It wasn't a shitty country. Syria was one of the few multicultural countries that worked. Do your homework. The US, UK and France fucked it up when they switched sides to fight for Al-Qaeda and the new creation ISIS.

Russia now leads the 'War on Terror'.

Who would have thought that this would ever happen after the US' 9/11 support it received from the world?

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No6. You are 100% correct. I knew many Syrians when I lived in Qatar. It's a relatively open country compared to the Gulf countries. Assad kept it secular, just like Moammar Ghaddafi in Libya. The Imperialist part of America, UK etc (the allies) got involved and thought to bring democracy to this area.
Russia although imperialistic in its own way, at least will help keep Syria afloat and secular. China and Saudi Arabia are the ones who need democracy. Yet the imperialists won't get involved there.

Syria will hopefully Come Out of this dark period more vibrant than before. russia coming in will be a good thing even though it means keeping Assad in power. Replacing him with a puppet president just like malaki in Iraq ( who made a big mess btw) is a better option at this moment.
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Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic:

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US army chiefs unhappy Russia is lobotomizing their moderate rebels. Moderate is such a disgraceful word to use when they're just as bad as ISIS when they catch someone they don't like.

Hell, the Shia clans fighting ISIS in Iraq were the same fuckers blowing up coalition forces and all of a sudden they must be assisted in extinguishing a menace of the world? What a load of shit. It makes me angry just knowing the MSM is spewing out this sort of news to the masses and they're believing it.

I have cornered every person I know who was supporting the NATO campaign against ISIS, their dislike for Russian support for Assad and the Iranians. In the end they told me to stop going on about it! Laugh

I wonder if Iran and Russia will sign a mutual defense pact. Not even Israel will be stupid enough to attack them for fear of disappearing under a mushroom cloud.
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(10-01-2015 12:44 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 04:10 PM)Akula Wrote:  What am I missing here?

All the baby boomers and 70-year-olds who watch Fox News and have zero skin in the game want us to get in a war with Russia over this just so they have something new to watch. The neocohens who tell them what to think are extremely upset that Putin wants to bring stability to the country rather than let the endless bloodshed go on indefinitely for the benefit of Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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Goodbye "moderate" rebels:



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No6. You are 100% correct. I knew many Syrians when I lived in Qatar. It's a relatively open country compared to the Gulf countries. Assad kept it secular, just like Moammar Ghaddafi in Libya. The Imperialist part of America, UK etc (the allies) got involved and thought to bring democracy to this area.
Russia although imperialistic in its own way, at least will help keep Syria afloat and secular. China and Saudi Arabia are the ones who need democracy. Yet the imperialists won't get involved there.

Syria will hopefully Come Out of this dark period more vibrant than before. russia coming in will be a good thing even though it means keeping Assad in power. Replacing him with a puppet president just like malaki in Iraq ( who made a big mess btw) is a better option at this moment.
Check out ( the Doha debates) on YouTube. There is a video on dictatorships in the Middle East...
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(10-01-2015 10:28 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  Hopefully Russia relayed to the US that if the Syrian terrorists get manpads that the Taliban would, too. Here's McCain the idiot...

http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syria...an-planes/
Quote:McCain: Arm Syrian Rebels to Shoot Down Russian Planes
'Just like we did in Afghanistan'

I don't know why McCain isn't arrested for aiding terrorism.

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(10-01-2015 04:20 PM)tomtud Wrote:  No6. You are 100% correct. I knew many Syrians when I lived in Qatar. It's a relatively open country compared to the Gulf countries. Assad kept it secular, just like Moammar Ghaddafi in Libya. The Imperialist part of America, UK etc (the allies) got involved and thought to bring democracy to this area.
Russia although imperialistic in its own way, at least will help keep Syria afloat and secular. China and Saudi Arabia are the ones who need democracy. Yet the imperialists won't get involved there.

Syria will hopefully Come Out of this dark period more vibrant than before. russia coming in will be a good thing even though it means keeping Assad in power. Replacing him with a puppet president just like malaki in Iraq ( who made a big mess btw) is a better option at this moment.
Check out ( the Doha debates) on YouTube. There is a video on dictatorships in the Middle East...

The best person to rebuild Syria is in power already and the Russians know this. The Christian patriarch and the Grand Mufti both support secular Assad.

The Syrian war is the same type of proxy war that was unleashed against Lebanon in the 1980s. Until then, Beirut was known as the 'Paris of the Middle East'. These two countries would have featured on RVF's data sheet volumes had these wars not occurred.

Syria and Lebanon, since the 6-Day War are one of the few Middle East countries which have defeated the IDF. Remember that Israel hates nationalism anywhere except in Israel. This and the fact that Iran is now the region's major power since secular Iraq was destroyed scares Israel and Saudi Arabia. Israel needs proxy wars because the populations of the Gulf States would not be too pleased if their governments were supporting direct Israeli action.
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I kind of like Kadyrov. That dude put a stop to the crazy Terrorists in Chechnya.

Quote:Ramzan Kadyrov, the former rebel-turned Putin acolyte who runs Chechnya with an iron fist and a private army, volunteered to fight Islamic State in Syria himself is Putin changes his mind about not committing ground troops.

“Too bad it will only be Russian air operations,” Kadyrov said on another network affiliated with the Kremlin, LifeNews. “If they need infantry to fight ISIS in Syria, we’ll be the first to go,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State.
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Russia have about 50 planes operating in the area as far i know, and now apparently the iraqui gov is asking them help in bombing ISIS. Russians so far deny that the iraqui made the request. The other development is that aparently the irani moved Qud forces in Siria, not as advisors but for combat operations.

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(10-02-2015 09:11 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  I kind of like Kadyrov. That dude put a stop to the crazy Terrorists in Chechnya.

Quote:Ramzan Kadyrov, the former rebel-turned Putin acolyte who runs Chechnya with an iron fist and a private army, volunteered to fight Islamic State in Syria himself is Putin changes his mind about not committing ground troops.

“Too bad it will only be Russian air operations,” Kadyrov said on another network affiliated with the Kremlin, LifeNews. “If they need infantry to fight ISIS in Syria, we’ll be the first to go,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State.

Kadyrov is a boss. He represents the stability that a strongman can bring to a Muslim country (Or small republic in this case). The kind of stability that Saddam and Qaddafi brought, though we know how that turned out...

Kadyrov is also a devout Muslim too, though he recognizes the difference between being a devout Muslim and abetting terrorism.

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The so-called moderates Putin bombed work with ISIS.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/09/10/vet...reporting/

Quote:‘Vetted Moderate’ Free Syrian Army Commander Admits Alliance with ISIS, Confirms PJ Media Reporting

As President Obama laid out his “strategy” last night for dealing with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), and as bipartisan leadership in Congress pushes to approve as much as $4 billion to arm Syrian “rebels,” it should be noted that the keystone to his anti-Assad policy — the “vetted moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) — is now admitting that they, too, are working with the Islamic State.

This confirms PJ Media’s reporting last week about the FSA’s alliances with Syrian terrorist groups.

On Monday, the Daily Star in Lebanon quoted a FSA brigade commander saying that his forces were working with the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s official Syrian affiliate — both U.S.-designated terrorist organizations — near the Syrian/Lebanon border.

“We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in … Qalamoun,” said Bassel Idriss, the commander of an FSA-aligned rebel brigade.

“We have reached a point where we have to collaborate with anyone against unfairness and injustice,” confirmed Abu Khaled, another FSA commander who lives in Arsal.

“Let’s face it: The Nusra Front is the biggest power present right now in Qalamoun and we as FSA would collaborate on any mission they launch as long as it coincides with our values,” he added.

In my report last week I noted that buried in a New York Times article last month was a Syrian “rebel” commander quoted as saying that his forces were working with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra in raids along the border with Lebanon, including attacks on Lebanese forces. The Times article quickly tried to dismiss the commander’s statements, but the Daily Star article now confirms this alliance.

Among the other pertinent points from that PJ Media article last week was that this time last year the bipartisan conventional wisdom amongst the foreign policy establishment was that the bulk of the Syrian rebel forces were moderates, a fiction refuted by a Rand Corporation study published last September (CORRECTION: As the article at the link notes, the study was by IHS Janes, not Rand Corporation) that found nearly half of the Syrian “rebels” were jihadists or hard-core Islamists.

Another relevant phenomenon I noted was that multiple arms shipments from the U.S. to the “vetted moderate” FSA were suspiciously raided and confiscated by ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra, prompting the Obama administration and the UK to suspend weapons shipments to the FSA last December.

In April, the Obama administration again turned on the CIA weapons spigot to the FSA, and Obama began calling for an additional $500 million for the “vetted moderate rebels,” but by July the weapons provided to the FSA were yet again being raided and captured by ISIS and other terrorist groups. Remarkably, one Syrian dissident leader reportedly told Al-Quds al-Arabi that the FSA had lost $500 million worth of arms to rival “rebel” groups, much of which ended up being sold to unknown parties in Turkey and Iraq.

At the same time U.S.-provided FSA weapons caches were being mysteriously raided by ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the senior FSA commanders in Eastern Syria, Saddam al-Jamal, defected to ISIS. In March, Jabhat al-Nusra joined forces with the FSA Liwa al-Ummah brigade to capture a Syrian army outpost in Idlib. Then in early July I reported on FSA brigades that had pledged allegiance to ISIS and surrendered their weapons after their announcement of the reestablishment of the caliphate. More recently, the FSA and Jabhat al-Nusra teamed up last month to capture the UN Golan Heights border crossing in Quneitra on the Syria/Israel border, taking UN peacekeepers hostage.

But the Free Syrian Army is not the only U.S.-armed and trained “rebel” force in Syria that the Obama administration is having serious trouble keeping in the “vetted moderate” column.

Earlier this week I reported on Harakat al-Hazm, which was the first of the “vetted moderates” to receive U.S. anti-tank weaponry earlier this year. Harakat al-Hazm is reportedly a front for the Muslim Brotherhood as well as Turkey and Qatar, its Islamist state sponsors.

An L.A. Times article was published this past Sunday from the battle lines in Syria. The reporter recounted a discussion with two Harakat al-Hazm fighters who admitted, “But Nusra doesn’t fight us, we actually fight alongside them. We like Nusra.”

Despite a claim by the L.A. Times that Harakat al-Hazm had released a statement of “rejection of all forms of cooperation and coordination” with al-Nusra Front, I published in my article earlier this week an alliance statement signed by both Jabhat al-Nusra and Harkat al-Hazm forging a joint front in Aleppo to prevent pro-Assad forces from retaking the town.

As the Obama administration began to provide heavy weaponry to Harakat al-Hazm, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy published an analysis hailing Harakat Hazm as “rebels worth supporting,” going so far as to say that the group was “a model candidate for greater U.S. and allied support, including lethal military assistance.”

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"Moderate Militias" yeah right, these mother fuckers are allied or fight alongside ISIS. Why ? Because both anti-rebels and ISIS see Assad as a threat. EXACTLY why Russians are bombing BOTH of those groups.

I hope Russia wipes out ISIS and brings stability. It seems nowadays Russia has to come in and clean things up the Americans "liberate" aka destabilize.

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(10-02-2015 10:46 AM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 09:11 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  I kind of like Kadyrov. That dude put a stop to the crazy Terrorists in Chechnya.

Quote:Ramzan Kadyrov, the former rebel-turned Putin acolyte who runs Chechnya with an iron fist and a private army, volunteered to fight Islamic State in Syria himself is Putin changes his mind about not committing ground troops.

“Too bad it will only be Russian air operations,” Kadyrov said on another network affiliated with the Kremlin, LifeNews. “If they need infantry to fight ISIS in Syria, we’ll be the first to go,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State.

Kadyrov is a boss. He represents the stability that a strongman can bring to a Muslim country (Or small republic in this case). The kind of stability that Saddam and Qaddafi brought, though we know how that turned out...

Kadyrov is also a devout Muslim too, though he recognizes the difference between being a devout Muslim and abetting terrorism.

Despite his undeniable political achievements in bringing stability to the Northern Caucasus and his macho personality and style of ruling, which naturally earns him the sympathy of many members of the forum as almost none of the leading political figures in the West display any masculine virtues anymore, we should not overlook the fact that Kadyrov is a true monster. A far bigger one than Saddam and Qaddafi I would argue, if he´d be given the opportunity.
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(10-02-2015 12:30 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 10:46 AM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 09:11 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  I kind of like Kadyrov. That dude put a stop to the crazy Terrorists in Chechnya.

Quote:Ramzan Kadyrov, the former rebel-turned Putin acolyte who runs Chechnya with an iron fist and a private army, volunteered to fight Islamic State in Syria himself is Putin changes his mind about not committing ground troops.

“Too bad it will only be Russian air operations,” Kadyrov said on another network affiliated with the Kremlin, LifeNews. “If they need infantry to fight ISIS in Syria, we’ll be the first to go,” he said, using an acronym for Islamic State.

Kadyrov is a boss. He represents the stability that a strongman can bring to a Muslim country (Or small republic in this case). The kind of stability that Saddam and Qaddafi brought, though we know how that turned out...

Kadyrov is also a devout Muslim too, though he recognizes the difference between being a devout Muslim and abetting terrorism.

Despite his undeniable political achievements in bringing stability to the Northern Caucasus and his macho personality and style of ruling, which naturally earns him sympathy from many members of the forum, we should not overlook the fact that Kadyrov is a true monster. A far bigger one than Saddam and Qaddafi I would argue, if he´d be given the opportunity.

A good man couldn't keep those people in line. He's a tyrant, one that we wouldn't like ruling over us, but we're not Chechens so I fail to see why we should care whether or not he's a "monster." None of them would give a crap if there was an American or European version of Saddam oppressing us.

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RE: Russia Entering the Syrian Conflict
My favorite Russian military moment in recent history is when they mined an entire area outside Grozny and then herded the Chechen rebel forces right into it which basically annhilated the bulk of their forces and top commanders.

Russia will do what it has to do without limp wristed pussyfooting around and half measures when it comes to islamic terrorists. No chocolates and blowjobs for these jihadists..only low altitude fuel air explosives.
10-02-2015 12:41 PM
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