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RE: The SMV thread - sexual market value
(07-02-2016 04:45 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  
(07-01-2016 06:39 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  This is quite a good thread, and it deserves to be bumped.

So...

Quote:What have you done to successfully raise your SMV?


I have invested plenty of time, as well as money, since last year, in order to increase my SMV. Based upon observations from girls, I was like 7,5 (slightly above average).


First of all, I have started going to the gym again (started with 3 times a week, and now, 5). This was a huge priority from me, because I have lost a lot of muscle while being on active duty. I have regained what I have lost, I gained a little bit more. Tomorrow, I will swap to Mehdi's 5x5 stronglifts, to increase my strength and muscle mass further. Being built like a tank does indeed increase your SMV - despite all the media BS that girls hate that.


Second of all, I have upgraded my wardrobe significantly. Before, I used to have like 2 pair of jeans, several black shirts (like most guys) and a cheap suit that I bought for a high school prom, and which I rarely used thereafter.
Now, thanks to this forum (no joking, I am being truthful here - WIA deserves a honorably mention, by the way), I bought quite a new stuff -a lot of red (I used to believe only gays wear red) and bight colored shirts, some suits (charcoal, and striped charcoal) and a Tissot watch made of titanium (including the bracelet) - PRC100 model.


I also always rock Rayban Wayfarers, with black lenses, regardless of weather (I like being a hot mystery man). When you combine them with a slim fitted white shirt (so that your breasts and abs can be seen, buy one size smaller) and jeans...Kissy Although I am far from looking like Arnie or Coleman, I have above average body for a guy in mid 20ties.


I can only imagine what will happen 365 days from now if I keep it up.



Also, in the near future, I am planning to buy a chopper, mainly thanks to Cappy (cool dude, check the videos that inspired me in the links below).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bALxpFaHpa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGHdglbiWfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAzduG-3ME


All things considered, I think I have raised my SMV to 8/10 and I will not be stopping until I hit the very top (being 9.5/10 - 10/10 is pure perfection, which cannot be achieve). It will take a long time, as well as money, but I will do it. Anyone can really. Get up, and start working.

I listened to the first one. He has a few tidbits of truth but this is mostly exaggeration and ignorance of cars and the car business, and more importantly he is repeating a narrative. You have heard of narratives from SJWs who spew about rape culture etc. His narrative is far less dangerous but an unthoughtful narrative nonetheless. It's "nothing fancy is worth more than the basic version."

I differ with him not only about cars but about this philosophy which permeates his rant. I seek to live my life in an aspirational way and want to enjoy MORE comfort, more safety, and more innovation. What this guy is basically repeating is the tried Midwestern almost Amish view of prudent, spartan living. He doesn't see the folly in his own advice in Minnesota to young guys to get a bike instead of a car. Again it's not an "evil" philosophy as he presented it but taken to its extreme it would be.

German cars are safer, period. Mercedes and BMW consistently innovate and lead the industry. Lexus, which he lumps in together, are well made and finely tuned (and also safe).

He is also wrong about depreciation. The cars don't depreciate primarily because they are out of style. Most change style only every 7 years. How would that explain the difference of price according to him? The fact is with more miles comes more expense. If a new car is $100,000 and another one has 2000 miles it cant be worth the same as long as the buyer has the new option. The same car 15 years old and beat up and in need of repairs is $2000 not because primarily it is out of style but because it is much more of a liability.

He is partly right about the don't buy a car to impress girls bit, clearly if you are thinking only to impress girls you will magically attract gold-diggers. Where he misses the mark is: DO buy cars to GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS AS A MAN. Then the car, the man, the business, the game and attitude are a part of who you want to be and what you want to accomplish rather than chosen based on the perceived judgment of others.

If it is part of what you want for yourself is to do is drive a NEW Mustang and it is worth the money (and the opportunity cost of that money not being available for other consumption or investment) then do it.


Although I usually agree with Cappy (as well as most manosphere bloggers which are on our side), sometimes, he is wrong, but it is usually about details (which you elaborated, and I mostly agree with what you said, by the way).


German high end cars are quite good, but the main thing about them is that their maintenance costs are indeed high, compared to their cheaper counterparts. In the US the costs may be even higher. And for a guy who castrated himself financially to buy an used BMW (for example) primarily to increase his SMV, this ain't good at all. Investing in new threads and gym is much cheaper, and the results are much better on the long run, I dare to say. That is the wisdom I have learned and applied from these videos.


So, in short - being well built, well dressed and having a bike (with a little bit of Game, of course) will make you a bigger catch than a guy with a beer belly, driving a Porsche 911. I know from personal experience (God, how I laughed, if I tell you the story you will not believe me).
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RE: The SMV thread - sexual market value
(01-19-2016 04:03 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  
(01-18-2016 11:06 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  Russia is on my list.

Its true Russian women pay a lot of attention to being slim, attractive and taking care of their men.

This is because Russia is far from a wealthy welfare state.

If you want to get yourself an attractive woman who will make an effort, look at countries where the state (government) doesn't strip assets of males and give them to women for nothing, but countries where the women need to earn the resources from men via the age old transaction.

I have to take issue with this idea. America is not a welfare state. The reason women behave differently is due to the different kinds of labour which are available, and the overall prosperity of the nation itself. If a woman can get a job, she does not require a man. Think about it. There are vanishingly few fuckable women who are actually on welfare. This is a some real MGTOW shit.
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(07-03-2016 10:20 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  Although I usually agree with Cappy (as well as most manosphere bloggers which are on our side), sometimes, he is wrong, but it is usually about details (which you elaborated, and I mostly agree with what you said, by the way).


German high end cars are quite good, but the main thing about them is that their maintenance costs are indeed high, compared to their cheaper counterparts. In the US the costs may be even higher. And for a guy who castrated himself financially to buy an used BMW (for example) primarily to increase his SMV, this ain't good at all. Investing in new threads and gym is much cheaper, and the results are much better on the long run, I dare to say. That is the wisdom I have learned and applied from these videos.


So, in short - being well built, well dressed and having a bike (with a little bit of Game, of course) will make you a bigger catch than a guy with a beer belly, driving a Porsche 911. I know from personal experience (God, how I laughed, if I tell you the story you will not believe me).

I've heard of personal experience from some people who drive BMWs and Audis, they say that maintenance costs aren't that high as everyone keeps saying. From what I see around me, a lot of people who belittle high-end German cars and the people who drive them (meh, I'd never drive such a car, it's for jerks and hillbillies who like to show off) actually can't afford them in the first place. This is their automotive version of the rationalization hamster.

I agree that buying a high-end car when you can't afford it, solely for the purpose of impressing chicks, is idiotic. But if a car is a part of one's lifestyle and a vital asset to his way of living, then I can't accept arguments such as the ones made by Cappy. I'm planning to upgrade to either a BMW 2 or Audi A3 in the following months. I'd be very limited without a car and I love to drive. I especially love the sensation I get from being able to roam free and go anywhere I want. I'm just tired of experiencing that sensation in an Opel Corsa I've been driving for five years now. It's time for something better, faster and safer.

Back on topic, what I've done to increase my SMV:

- shed a lot of weight and gained some muscle - still in progress. I'm still not near my target goal but things are improving. Girls are beginning to notice.
- learned to dance. I've been doing ballroom dancing for over 2 years now, and I found out that girls love a man who can dance. Still haven't figured out exactly why, but that doesn't prevent me from using my dancing skills as a vital bait in interactions with women. "You've been to Brazil? There's a girl in my dance class who visited Brazil and blah blah blah..." "-Oh you can dance? That's cool!"
- upgraded my wardrobe. I ditched all those nerdy plaid shirts and upgraded to single-color shirts. I also began to experiment with jackets and blazers, and finding the proper boots + leather jacket + sunglasses combo was a revelation for me.

- my next upgrade will be my new car, and I also plan to buy a new, classy watch. In a couple of months I'll shed all the remaining fat and reach a 'somewhat ripped' stage. From then I'll move on to build some serious muscle mass.
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As a guy transitioning into his late 20's and beyond, the importance of footwear has become ver relevant to me.

I have thrown all but 1 pair of my sneakers out, so I have something to work out in.

I have amassed about 5-6 pairs of quality leather boots in various shades, colors and textures.

I know clothing is talked about a lot here, but the boots alone have added at least a full point to my SMV.

A good, clean pair of boots implies you're not broke, because girls know good boots are expensive. They add a good 1.5-2" to your height, I am about 6'0 naturally, with my boots on I can easily pass for 6'2 or higher without it looking wierd.

As far as clothing items go, they have been the most effective at raising my external appearance. Even moreso than a good suit because I wear my boots everyday, everywhere.

They have become a staple of my personal uniform.
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(07-03-2016 03:08 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  As a guy transitioning into his late 20's and beyond, the importance of footwear has become ver relevant to me.

I have thrown all but 1 pair of my sneakers out, so I have something to work out in.

I have amassed about 5-6 pairs of quality leather boots in various shades, colors and textures.

I know clothing is talked about a lot here, but the boots alone have added at least a full point to my SMV.

A good, clean pair of boots implies you're not broke, because girls know good boots are expensive. They add a good 1.5-2" to your height, I am about 6'0 naturally, with my boots on I can easily pass for 6'2 or higher without it looking wierd.

As far as clothing items go, they have been the most effective at raising my external appearance. Even moreso than a good suit because I wear my boots everyday, everywhere.

They have become a staple of my personal uniform.

Great post. Any type of boots in particular?

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(07-03-2016 03:08 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  As a guy transitioning into his late 20's and beyond, the importance of footwear has become ver relevant to me.

I have thrown all but 1 pair of my sneakers out, so I have something to work out in.

I have amassed about 5-6 pairs of quality leather boots in various shades, colors and textures.

I know clothing is talked about a lot here, but the boots alone have added at least a full point to my SMV.

A good, clean pair of boots implies you're not broke, because girls know good boots are expensive. They add a good 1.5-2" to your height, I am about 6'0 naturally, with my boots on I can easily pass for 6'2 or higher without it looking wierd.

As far as clothing items go, they have been the most effective at raising my external appearance. Even moreso than a good suit because I wear my boots everyday, everywhere.

They have become a staple of my personal uniform.

Great post. Any type of boots in particular?

Sure thing brother. I'll share what I have, plus some suggestions.

As my "main" staple footwear I got these Frye Arkansas in Redwood Brown, Midlace. They retail for over $280, and look it too. But if you scour ebay you'll easily find a new pair for ~$150. They match everything and I feel like I can kick through a brick wall with them on. The second pic shows how they look broken in, which in my opinion looks even better than when they are new. They have a welted sole, so you can modify and repair them at your local bootsmith. These can easily last a couple decades with proper care.

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Since you can't rock brown all the time, I got a pair of Justin Ropers in Black Bullhide for around $75, retail is about $120, also on ebay. (eBay is a fantastic source of good boots by the way. I never pay retail.)

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Ok, with the basics out of the way, now we can get into what some would call subtle "peacocking".

Lee Kee Vintage boots. You can't make this shit up. This guy was the finest bootmaker in all of Hong Kong way back in the 40's. All the well-heeled British Colonials would get their boots custom made by him. His factory burned down sometime in the '70s and he never made boots again. They are highly coveted and sought after, not to mention extremely hard to find. Mine are virtually identical to the ones pictured below, with minor variations and scuffed to hell. Girls dig em.

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Some may disagree with me on this, but you can't call yourself a Good American and not own a pair (or three) of cowboy boots. I was a bit apprehensive about wearing them at first, but with the right outfit you get clocked HARD. It also impossible to have bad posture with a pair of em on. They force you to stand and walk straight.

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^^ Got a pair just like these in outstanding Teju lizard (the belly of the lizard). I like the exotic factor, and when worn with a jacket I got lots of looks/compliments from the ladies. They require confidence to pull off, though.

Nocona Vamp in Black Python Calf leather

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Alpha as fuck. Easier to pull off in casual everyday scenarios.

Boots I don't actually own but happily suggest:

Allen Edmonds Dalton Wingtips. Anything by AE is pure money, they are just a bit out of my budget. Soon though.

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Allen Edmonds Football Series. They are made from the dimpled leather of a Football. So much want.

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Anyway, hope that helps! Boots are a game changer. I'm never going back to sneakers again.
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(07-03-2016 11:11 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  Anyway, hope that helps! Boots are a game changer. I'm never going back to sneakers again.
Absolutely agree - Ive been a Dr Martens fan for years... wearing a pair like this for both work and play for as long as I can remember

http://www.drmartens.com/uk/p/originals-...dia-teresa

Simple, practical and stylish... and require minimal maintenance while still lasting almost forever

Women love them too as they portray a rugged and very masculine uncomplicated image...
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something like this has been with me to many many countries
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I think SMV is an extremely relevant concept, however harsh the reality is for some. Despite society at large's best intentions at everyone having unique and desirable qualities, the SMP and by extension SMV is the final arbiter of ones worth. SMV is not static and those of us who are aware of its existence can affect certain outcomes that increase our value.

In my PNW town, which is a mecca for feminists and liberals:

Men Mostly fall into one of two camps. Either nerdy techno dweeb or hipster. The thirst of these two groups gives too much credence to the actings out of the various fembots. Fringe benefit: masculine men are in short supply in the city and there is enough transplants here that desire such men. Outside the metro area is fairly conservative with a good percentage of farmers, ranchers, hunters, etc.

Women Practically ground zero for the multi colored hair SJW types. Gender queer sapio peter pan fluidsexual blah blah blah. They even boast about it on their online dating profiles which makes it both easy to screen and troll. However the transplants I alluded to above are varied enough in background that enough of them prefer traditional gender roles, even though they may be loath to admit it. The overall quality is much lower here though. Sometimes I go for days on Tinder before Ill use up my likes here, but when I go down to San Diego I use them all up in about 15 min.

Some things Ive done, in a more general sense:

Health/Aging making this one separate from exercise. Through luck and good genes I look about 10 years younger than I actually am, I passed for 25 all week while I was in San Diego on TDY even for people that I have worked with before and Im in my mid-30's. It won't last forever, for anybody, so Ive taken a few steps to maintain my boyish good looks for as long as possible. Its not always the most fun or glamorous to do these things, but Im playing chess while others are playing checkers. If I can maintain a 10 year advantage in appearance and well being it will be well worth it. Drink little or no alcohol, get good quality sleep as often as possible, eat well no matter the cost. Simple things to be sure, but making them a foundation of my long term strategy has put me leaps and bounds over my contemporaries most of whom are leaving their 30's riddled with various addictions, ailments, and metabolic disorders.

Exercise Despite the high initial investment, having a home gym has taken the dividends from working out and multiplied them further with convenience the ability to focus on certain things absent distractions. In general exercise has added muscle mass to my lean frame, improved my posture as well as increased my performance in other pursuits such as climbing. I weighed in today at 190.5 lbs, the most Ive ever weighed.

Style As some other posters have commented, as Ive matured and grown more confident my taste in clothing has broadened immensely. I used to be a loose blue jeans and dark colored polo guy. No longer. Fitted dress pants (only wool for me), brightly colored well fitting shirts, and shoes that are a story unto themselves all add to the increased sense of confidence and style I have developed. Not only wearing clothes that get you noticed, but pulling it off well and owning the room are also key points here that have helped me.

Culture for lack of a better term learning some of the more refined pursuits has if nothing else made me a more rounded man. Reading the classics (many are free on Kindle), being up to speed on geo-politics, knowing about wine/art/philosophy/anatomy has made me much more marketable to the higher societal echelons of women like lawyers, medical professionals, bankers, etc.

Experience There is no substitute for experience, in whatever discipline you may endeavor. "Fake it till you make it" doest fly when the chick your opening has "made it". In my particular area hiking is a big deal. Ive hiked enough and gotten to where I can usually tell what trail or mountain someone is on in their selfie or sticker or patch or whatever. Opening that is as easy as walking through an open door when you can recount the particular nuances and challenges of a trail or the ballsack minimizing temps of an alpine lake. Ditto going to wineries to learn about wine, or knowing about photography and different equipment settings etc.

(07-03-2016 11:11 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  Anyway, hope that helps! Boots are a game changer. I'm never going back to sneakers again.

Also a huge fan of boots. They are just unusual compared to either sneakers or dress shoes. Currently rocking a pair of Wolverine 1000 Mile boots in brown that Ive colored to a more "blood" color with cordovan shoe cream. Ive had them for about 6 years now, and have worn them on several continents and through many drunken hijinks with no no ill effect.

My suited up style is a bit of a cross between Bond and Indiana Jones if that makes any lick of sense. The combo of a well tailored European cut 3 pc. suit with the rough hard look of the Wolverines makes almost everyone do a double take as they try and reconcile the polished exterior with an interior that no doubt has many intricacies. My go to for weddings is a Prince of Wales (light grey pattern) 3 pc. suit and the 1000 Mile boots. I don't know if I could pull off cowboy boots yet, but those Daltons are legitimate as fuck.

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Damn those Wolverines are cold Adonis! The blood color is on point.

You really wear em with your custom suits though? I was rocking my Fryes suited up for a fitment question in another thread and I was told they are too casual to rock with anything that formal. Im still weighing it out though.
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(07-15-2016 04:59 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  Damn those Wolverines are cold Adonis! The blood color is on point.

You really wear em with your custom suits though? I was rocking my Fryes suited up for a fitment question in another thread and I was told they are too casual to rock with anything that formal. Im still weighing it out though.

Thanks, it took a while to get them where I wanted but now they are quite nice. To be honest I wear them with everything from jeans, to slacks, to suits. If I am dressed down I will apply some Obenauf's LP to give them a matte oil tanned look (they are Horween Chromexel leather), and if suiting up then I will apply some cordovan shoe polish to get them looking a bit better.

I will agree they are a bit informal for suiting up, but I like to have one "fuck it" article of clothing whether it be shoes, a tie, a garish pocket square, etc. Just to draw some attention or build some mystery and the boots definitely do the latter. The best event ever was at my little sister's wedding I wore the boots, my grey 3 pc, and a S&W Shield in a shoulder holster. Talk about the center of attention. The pics from that still get me opened online.

I do not wear them with black tie though, thats a bit too rough. I do not own a pair of civilian dress shoes, but I am looking to add a more formal pair of boots to my collection. Wolverine has expanded the 1000 Mile collection drastically with some really unique styles but Im thinking AE w/cap toe, along those lines.

The new First Ave looks great, and seems to be well reviewed so far.
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RE: The SMV thread - sexual market value
This is a good article, that explains how SMW works:


https://relampagofurioso.com/2016/06/06/...et-values/



Although many of us here probably know how the SMV market operates, many newbies to this forum probably do not. Hence, I have posted it.

In short - as long as you keep your finances away from women, and invest in yourself (gym, passive income...), you will be golden.


(I think the author writes on ROK as well).
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(07-03-2016 11:11 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  
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(07-03-2016 03:08 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  As a guy transitioning into his late 20's and beyond, the importance of footwear has become ver relevant to me.

I have thrown all but 1 pair of my sneakers out, so I have something to work out in.

I have amassed about 5-6 pairs of quality leather boots in various shades, colors and textures.

I know clothing is talked about a lot here, but the boots alone have added at least a full point to my SMV.

A good, clean pair of boots implies you're not broke, because girls know good boots are expensive. They add a good 1.5-2" to your height, I am about 6'0 naturally, with my boots on I can easily pass for 6'2 or higher without it looking wierd.

As far as clothing items go, they have been the most effective at raising my external appearance. Even moreso than a good suit because I wear my boots everyday, everywhere.

They have become a staple of my personal uniform.

Great post. Any type of boots in particular?

Sure thing brother. I'll share what I have, plus some suggestions.

As my "main" staple footwear I got these Frye Arkansas in Redwood Brown, Midlace. They retail for over $280, and look it too. But if you scour ebay you'll easily find a new pair for ~$150. They match everything and I feel like I can kick through a brick wall with them on. The second pic shows how they look broken in, which in my opinion looks even better than when they are new. They have a welted sole, so you can modify and repair them at your local bootsmith. These can easily last a couple decades with proper care.



Since you can't rock brown all the time, I got a pair of Justin Ropers in Black Bullhide for around $75, retail is about $120, also on ebay. (eBay is a fantastic source of good boots by the way. I never pay retail.)

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Ok, with the basics out of the way, now we can get into what some would call subtle "peacocking".

Lee Kee Vintage boots. You can't make this shit up. This guy was the finest bootmaker in all of Hong Kong way back in the 40's. All the well-heeled British Colonials would get their boots custom made by him. His factory burned down sometime in the '70s and he never made boots again. They are highly coveted and sought after, not to mention extremely hard to find. Mine are virtually identical to the ones pictured below, with minor variations and scuffed to hell. Girls dig em.


Some may disagree with me on this, but you can't call yourself a Good American and not own a pair (or three) of cowboy boots. I was a bit apprehensive about wearing them at first, but with the right outfit you get clocked HARD. It also impossible to have bad posture with a pair of em on. They force you to stand and walk straight.

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^^ Got a pair just like these in outstanding Teju lizard (the belly of the lizard). I like the exotic factor, and when worn with a jacket I got lots of looks/compliments from the ladies. They require confidence to pull off, though.

Nocona Vamp in Black Python Calf leather


Boots I don't actually own but happily suggest:

Allen Edmonds Dalton Wingtips. Anything by AE is pure money, they are just a bit out of my budget. Soon though.

Allen Edmonds Football Series. They are made from the dimpled leather of a Football. So much want.



Anyway, hope that helps! Boots are a game changer. I'm never going back to sneakers again.

I´m using similar teju boots in black, but mines have a zipper on the side and gives them a little more casual-formal look, and don´t look cowboy at all. Lots of compliments. Got them in a trip to WRC in Leon Guanajuato, Mexico.


Now looking for tassel shoes looking to pull off summer looks like these

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The first guy is pretty sharp

But the second guy's getup is faggy as fuck. I just hate everything about that pastel colored-no socks-sweater loosely tied around the shoulders country club look that seems so prevalent in style blogs and mags these days.
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it's been over 90f this week in NYC - that first guy would be a sweaty mess here
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(07-20-2016 01:37 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  The first guy is pretty sharp

But the second guy's getup is faggy as fuck. I just hate everything about that pastel colored-no socks-sweater loosely tied around the shoulders country club look that seems so prevalent in style blogs and mags these days.

The idea is wear some shorts this summer and show the calves progress, but I don´t like to wear sandals, toms or expose my toes at all. Also my low shoes have laces, to me this guy look better and projects a more masculine vibe without look like a drone.

Never had tassel loafers before, I´m worried if when worn out become too loose.

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The key to buying loafers is buy them a little too small and stretch them out yourself.
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What is the number one thing a guy can do to loose SMV?

In 18 months of observation, plus other general life experience I think it is being overweight.

Any opinions?

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(08-07-2016 11:09 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  What is the number one thing a guy can do to loose SMV?

In 18 months of observation, plus other general life experience I think it is being overweight.

Any opinions?

If we define SMV as consisting of three variables: game, looks and assets, then yes gaining weight for sure. Losing a job would work too, as being unemployed can wreak havoc on a man's psyche.
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(08-07-2016 11:09 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  What is the number one thing a guy can do to loose SMV?

In 18 months of observation, plus other general life experience I think it is being overweight.

Any opinions?

Great question.

Attitude

I think in the aspect of gaming, where first impressions count for so much being overweight could possibly be #1. But attitude counts for so much, and has so much trickle down effect that can ruin (or conversely, boost) your chances before you even approach.

Some things that attitude can affect:
-Posture
-Eye contact
-Speech
-Socialization

I was stationed in touristy resort area on the east coast several years back and I hung out with a guy that was a little over 6' and pushing 260 so overweight but not morbidly so. But damn this guy was the life of whatever room he was in. Carried himself tall, joked around with everyone, absolutely hypnotic eye contact with girls, he could easily break into social circles (important in a tourist area) and play "local tour guide". We were all young gym rats and had him dead to rights looks wise, but he had that charisma, that je ne sais quoi. So within a certain degree, I would say that a mildly overweight guy with a great attitude can fare better than a young stud who is a social retard.

The way I look at SMV is that there are 2 factors to complete the equation:

Static SMV - "On paper" things like age, income, and social standing.

Dynamic SMV - "Real life" things like attitude, charisma, and game.
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Bad game concepts like SMV lead to poor advice.

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SMV sounds like something Elliot Rodgers would have a spreadsheet for. Kidding. . . . sort of. I feel just trying to better yourself as a man covers this entire concept and far more. In fact, "How did you improve yourself" sounds like a great thread if it doesn't already exist.
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(08-10-2016 03:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Bad game concepts like SMV lead to poor advice.

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(08-07-2016 11:09 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  What is the number one thing a guy can do to loose SMV?

In 18 months of observation, plus other general life experience I think it is being overweight.

Any opinions?

I think its job redundancy and unemployment.
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(08-10-2016 03:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Bad game concepts like SMV lead to poor advice.

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SMV makes a lot of sense. A boss cracks a bad joke to pretty women and they giggle. The lowest ranking man in the office cracks a good one and he is met with eye-rolling - or worse - labelled a creep.
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