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I did not see one thread dedicated only to SMV, so I will start one. I am coming at this because I believe SMV is a valid and good concept. Bettering ourselves and attracting the best possible of the opposite sex are positives.

What have you done to successfully raise your SMV?

Post your observations about SMV in your town, including if you see couples that look like they "follow" sound rules of SMV or "violate" it. Describe what you see.

I will start with my SMV comment about the green haired SJW crowd.. I believe there is something even deeper and more sinister about them than I have read. I believe they seek to intentionally destroy "value" itself. Anything good must be destroyed because it is good. Beautiful long hair is chopped off. 5000 years of human progress out of the jungle is reversed with tribal symbols poking and stretching unnatural holes in the skin and face. Gender defining clothing is replaced with gender nuetral non fitting clothing. The SJW women seek to destroy their personal SMV because they actually want to die and they actually hate good things and they hate value itself.

What cities are dominated by women actually perusing their value vs the Toronto-esque nightmare I described above? I believe Miami may be the only US city primarily dominated by women who want to remain feminine and embrace thier SMV.

A lot to talk about here...
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Well well, I'm in first.

I think that SJWs are unconsciously aware that if they can decrease the overall beauty of women in given areas -- by promoting ugliness -- then men in the infected areas are eventually forced to lower their standards. For example, if you live in a city with strong SJW cultural influence, perhaps like Toronto, then even a girl with short green hair and facial piercings might be treated as an 8 or a 9 relative to other females in the area, simply because she isn't also obese. This is something I've noticed in certain towns and cities.

Effectively, SJW women infect the minds of other women gradually, via cultural influence, thereby lowering the total regional supply of attractive women. This forces the men to lower their standards to rock bottom levels, and increases their demand for pussy.

We need a term for this. I'll call it the "thirstification" of a given area -- For those that don't know, thirst is slang for male desperation.

In economic terms, female SJWs tend force the supply curve down, by a reduction that leads to a scarcity in femininity and attractiveness in women. This results in increase in the demand/thirst of men to a point where they will nearly settle for anything. This phenomenon causes a region to be "thirtified."

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We can see how someday, in some cities, absolutely thirsty men will be fighting over trannies.

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^ And then the thirstification in turn leads women to put in even less effort.
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(09-12-2015 01:39 PM)Tactician Wrote:  ^ And then the thirstification in turn leads women to put in even less effort.

In Canada or everywhere?

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8-10s in SoCal. Or any tier one city (Miami, NY). Just look at Dan Bilzerians Instagram. You'll hardly see girls like the ones in his pics walking around on the streets here in LA so it's a difficult place for most guys that aren't at the top.
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There should be a calculation grid somewhere to get a man's SMV using a definite value.

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Like a scoring system?

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This is a great idea! Especially for guys under 30 Aesthetics have the biggest value for ones SMV.

I am in Vienna so I'll make some notes.

Most couples are about equal in terms of looks, with sometimes the girls dating up and rarely the girls dating down,in terms of looks that is. I've noticed girls who are insecure and of a lower social class plus girls in the art scene tend to date below their own level.

Being Alpha pays off here,but don't do it as much the US. World game is key.


Arbitraging ones looks or the opposite is super important here. I'd say it can give one a half to two points of an advantage on the SMV scale. What do I mean by the opposite? Let's say you're a blonde guy and you approach a girl who give you a heavy ioiish smile. She's blonde and has an electra complex. Or the opposite scenario and she wants ''diversity.. Or you have dark hair and she wants the same ,also an electra complex. This can't be controlled but I've noticed a lot of mismatch with couples are there hair and or eye color or were very similar.

Girls dont care about status,Austria has super high levels of social welfare.



I think a homogenous country is also better for ones SMV,at least in Europe. Any white girl who has a normal BMI in the US is going to display levels of attitude way higher than the equivalent in Europe. Even Western Europe.
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(09-15-2015 07:07 PM)Nowak Wrote:  This is a great idea! Especially for guys under 30 Aesthetics have the biggest value for ones SMV.

I am in Vienna so I'll make some notes.

Most couples are about equal in terms of looks, with sometimes the girls dating up and rarely the girls dating down,in terms of looks that is. I've noticed girls who are insecure and of a lower social class plus girls in the art scene tend to date below their own level.

Being Alpha pays off here,but don't do it as much the US. World game is key.


Arbitraging ones looks or the opposite is super important here. I'd say it can give one a half to two points of an advantage on the SMV scale. What do I mean by the opposite? Let's say you're a blonde guy and you approach a girl who give you a heavy ioiish smile. She's blonde and has an electra complex. Or the opposite scenario and she wants ''diversity.. Or you have dark hair and she wants the same ,also an electra complex. This can't be controlled but I've noticed a lot of mismatch with couples are there hair and or eye color or were very similar.

Girls dont care about status,Austria has super high levels of social welfare.



I think a homogenous country is also better for ones SMV,at least in Europe. Any white girl who has a normal BMI in the US is going to display levels of attitude way higher than the equivalent in Europe. Even Western Europe.

As a short Asian-American (Chinese) guy, I've noticed this dating German women.

Hot white America girls are harder for me to get with. But I can get much further with attractive European women.

Money and Status are more important to American women, whereas looks and personality are more important to European women.

Also, being a funny guy is a huge plus with Germanic women, not so much with stuck up American girls.

Or maybe it's because I'm American.

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(09-15-2015 07:07 PM)Nowak Wrote:  I think a homogenous country is also better for ones SMV,at least in Europe. Any white girl who has a normal BMI in the US is going to display levels of attitude way higher than the equivalent in Europe. Even Western Europe.

Definitely nailed it on Europe, and I'm glad someone is finally giving some love to Western Europe. Spain, France, Germany, etc. all have feminist movements that are just a step or two behind the USA, but even some of the self-proclaimed feminists I met over there were attractive/feminine/in-shape. First off, Western Europeans have lower obesity rates than the US, the women are more likely to dress fashionable, and I also notice that western euro girls tend to have more interesting/cultured talents and interests compared to American women. This perhaps explains why they'll place more emphasis on your talents, looks, personality, etc. I think I've done marginally better with women when I was in Spain, they just seem to "get" my vibe better. If I was younger I would relocate over there to at least play the field for a while and perhaps even find a life partner. Only problems are 95% of them are non-religious, a lot of them smoke like chimneys, and you'd be dividing your family by an Ocean if you wanted to start something more serious/have children with one.
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SMV concepts are being noticed outside the normal circles. Brilliant analysis of SMV from Stefan Molyneux including what the effects of the welfare state have been on the SMV of trashy men and sluts.




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Some seriously frank discussion of why younger more attractive women are more valuable!




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My problem was never real-life SMV, I think I've essentially maxed it out already.

The problem is transmitting that SMV online. When I started online dating, I was getting IOIs from pretty much every single girl on the street, but online I was getting a dismal amount of matches. What I have been working on for the past year is finding the best possible pictures, the ones that capture your SMV is all its glory. That is quite challenging.
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(12-03-2015 12:24 AM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  My problem was never real-life SMV, I think I've essentially maxed it out already.

The problem is transmitting that SMV online. When I started online dating, I was getting IOIs from pretty much every single girl on the street, but online I was getting a dismal amount of matches. What I have been working on for the past year is finding the best possible pictures, the ones that capture your SMV is all its glory. That is quite challenging.

What if most women are looking for low quality men?

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European women not interested in status or money?

Come on.

This is the continent of centuries old class and generational wealth. The continent of royalty and selective breeding.


One's class, i.e. social status, is one of, if not the most important thing in Europe. It permeates everything in every European country.

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Making money isnt easy, so I have been focusing more on my outer game. Looksmaxing, as Sluthate would call it. Losing weight, improving my wardrobe, teeth whitening and working on my skin.

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Improving looks, dental care, updating the wardrobe and getting in shape are the lowest hanging fruit. Easiest to tackle. (Check)

A little more difficult to tackle is inner game, wit, humor, and elderly ramble to keep a conversation going. (Still working on this)

Making lots of money and/or getting famous is probably the hardest. (Just getting started here)
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(09-15-2015 07:07 PM)Nowak Wrote:  This is a great idea! Especially for guys under 30 Aesthetics have the biggest value for ones SMV.

I am in Vienna so I'll make some notes.

Most couples are about equal in terms of looks, with sometimes the girls dating up and rarely the girls dating down,in terms of looks that is. I've noticed girls who are insecure and of a lower social class plus girls in the art scene tend to date below their own level.

Being Alpha pays off here,but don't do it as much the US. World game is key.


Arbitraging ones looks or the opposite is super important here. I'd say it can give one a half to two points of an advantage on the SMV scale. What do I mean by the opposite? Let's say you're a blonde guy and you approach a girl who give you a heavy ioiish smile. She's blonde and has an electra complex. Or the opposite scenario and she wants ''diversity.. Or you have dark hair and she wants the same ,also an electra complex. This can't be controlled but I've noticed a lot of mismatch with couples are there hair and or eye color or were very similar.

Girls dont care about status,Austria has super high levels of social welfare.



I think a homogenous country is also better for ones SMV,at least in Europe. Any white girl who has a normal BMI in the US is going to display levels of attitude way higher than the equivalent in Europe. Even Western Europe.

Unless that white girl happens to be British or Irish, in which case the level of attitude and narcissism is going to be just as high as in North America.
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If we categorise a male's SMV into 3 baskets: wealth/status, appearance and personality, I've always lagged on the 3rd one. I've always been too serious, negative, insecure and emotionally unstable.

It's always meant cute girls have initially been interested in me based on my physique and knowledge about my financial status. Though after they got to know me as a person and I opened my mouth, they pretty much all ran. It's why I firmly believe that looks and wealth aren't as important as personality seeing as I went through years of seeing just my personality screw things up.

Basically all my SMV work now is targeted at improving my inner game. I maintain the other baskets. Meditation, general emotional maturing, working in a stressful environment with responsibility and learning verbal/physical game all currently serve to improve my personality.
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(09-15-2015 08:57 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  Definitely nailed it on Europe, and I'm glad someone is finally giving some love to Western Europe. Spain, France, Germany, etc. all have feminist movements that are just a step or two behind the USA, but even some of the self-proclaimed feminists I met over there were attractive/feminine/in-shape. First off, Western Europeans have lower obesity rates than the US, the women are more likely to dress fashionable, and I also notice that western euro girls tend to have more interesting/cultured talents and interests compared to American women. This perhaps explains why they'll place more emphasis on your talents, looks, personality, etc. I think I've done marginally better with women when I was in Spain, they just seem to "get" my vibe better. If I was younger I would relocate over there to at least play the field for a while and perhaps even find a life partner. Only problems are 95% of them are non-religious, a lot of them smoke like chimneys, and you'd be dividing your family by an Ocean if you wanted to start something more serious/have children with one.

Western Europe (excluding Southern Europe, which has always been horrible no matter what your SMV is) is perfectly fine, but only if you are stuck there. You will get decent quality with adequate regularity. But it doesn't provide the best results and there would no point in travelling specifically to these places for game.
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(12-03-2015 10:17 AM)studmuffin52 Wrote:  If we categorise a male's SMV into 3 baskets: wealth/status, appearance and personality, I've always lagged on the 3rd one. I've always been too serious, negative, insecure and emotionally unstable.

It's always meant cute girls have initially been interested in me based on my physique and knowledge about my financial status. Though after they got to know me as a person and I opened my mouth, they pretty much all ran. It's why I firmly believe that looks and wealth aren't as important as personality seeing as I went through years of seeing just my personality screw things up.

Basically all my SMV work now is targeted at improving my inner game. I maintain the other baskets. Meditation, general emotional maturing, working in a stressful environment with responsibility and learning verbal/physical game all currently serve to improve my personality.
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(09-12-2015 06:59 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Well well, I'm in first.

I think that SJWs are unconsciously aware that if they can decrease the overall beauty of women in given areas -- by promoting ugliness -- then men in the infected areas are eventually forced to lower their standards. For example, if you live in a city with strong SJW cultural influence, perhaps like Toronto, then even a girl with short green hair and facial piercings might be treated as an 8 or a 9 relative to other females in the area, simply because she isn't also obese. This is something I've noticed in certain towns and cities.

Effectively, SJW women infect the minds of other women gradually, via cultural influence, thereby lowering the total regional supply of attractive women. This forces the men to lower their standards to rock bottom levels, and increases their demand for pussy.

We need a term for this. I'll call it the "thirstification" of a given area -- For those that don't know, thirst is slang for male desperation.

In economic terms, female SJWs tend force the supply curve down, by a reduction that leads to a scarcity in femininity and attractiveness in women. This results in increase in the demand/thirst of men to a point where they will nearly settle for anything. This phenomenon causes a region to be "thirtified."

[Image: economics5.gif]

We can see how someday, in some cities, absolutely thirsty men will be fighting over trannies.


Well said. Living in Toronto I've noticed a lot of men dating down, ie a man who's a 7 dating a woman who's a 5-6. What this suggests is that all the women who are 8+ are perpetually single, which does seem to be the case.

Though to be fair, I'm not sure the SJW influence actually diminishes the *supply* of attractive women. There are still tons of hotties walking around. It's just that their sense of SMV is badly distorted, making most women unattainable for comparably attractive men, hence men dating down.
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Currently in the Dominican Republic in an all inclusive hotel.

Here's my take on SMV for the nationalities that I have observed:

French Canadians, the women are slim and very attractive, at least 2 points above their men.

Canadians - English speaking Torronto, men better looking, maybe 1 point above the women. Women have tattoos and smoke like chimneys.

Russian, nearly always the women are attractive and at least 3 point above the men in terms of looks. Plenty of older men with younger women.

USA, women generally not as attractive as the men, but some good looking women can be seen.

English - men better looking than the women, at least 2 points higher on the looks scale.

Local Dominican couples - mixed bag, some couples evenly matched, but on the whole the men are in better shape.
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(12-05-2015 09:36 PM)Midlands Man Wrote:  Currently in the Dominican Republic in an all inclusive hotel.

Here's my take on SMV for the nationalities that I have observed:

French Canadians, the women are slim and very attractive, at least 2 points above their men.

Canadians - English speaking Torronto, men better looking, maybe 1 point above the women. Women have tattoos and smoke like chimneys.

Russian, nearly always the women are attractive and at least 3 point above the men in terms of looks. Plenty of older men with younger women.

USA, women generally not as attractive as the men, but some good looking women can be seen.

English - men better looking than the women, at least 2 points higher on the looks scale.

Local Dominican couples - mixed bag, some couples evenly matched, but on the whole the men are in better shape.

Russia is on my list.

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