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(04-30-2015 06:02 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  If the girl in question is reading: Be quiet, men are talking.

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This is a must if you want to get a wife:

(04-03-2016 08:51 PM)the biggest cheetah Wrote:  My ltr is a 7 in my view +/- .5 point depending on your racial preferences. If you like dark skin, it'd be toward the top of the range - in places like Argentina, few people hit on her, in places that like Afro-latinas, I have to mate guard. She's very skinny and has a solid body.

If I were older and fewer options, I'd trade down a point to make sure I got a loyal wife. As it is, I'm 27 and have good money, so I fortunately didn't have to give up too much in the looks department.

She does meet all of this list except the divorced parent category, since her dad was a pass out in the street drunk:

She must be physically attractive, young, and of fertile age
She cannot be divorced - If she's had one divorce, she may be willing to go through another one
She cannot be a single mother – A man shouldn’t be raising somebody else’s kids
She shouldn’t smoke, drink or do drugs
She must respect her parents - a sign of class and good manners
Her parents are not divorced – If her parents are divorced, she might think about it too
Her siblings are not divorced - If any of her siblings are divorced, she might think about it too. They have to be in stable marriages.
She cooks and cleans for her family
She’s a virgin – this is to make sure she hasn’t ridden the cock carousel
She wants children and she’s willing to give up work to raise children – her career comes second to family life
She has good manners and is well spoken
She cannot come from a family where anybody has been to prison – this is a sign of shitty family
She must respect her future husband's close and extended family
She must always keep any issues with her future husband and family “in house”, and not gossip about it to others since this is disrespectful
She must treat her future husband well. Be nice to him and cook for him
She must treat any guests that come to the house well. Offer them drinks and food.

The first six months or so of our relationship, I was looking for reasons to disqualify, as I wasn't in a rush to commit. But upon further thinking, taking a good deal seems better than expending more time and energy trying to move up another half point or so in quality.

GDL sucks as far as living - it's got all the nasty elements of sprawl from the American sunbelt. Places like Guanajuato have nice architecture and cute girls. In general though, central Mexico isn't the nicest part of the country as far as aesthetics go. I hate cars, so I could never live in GDL. I don't blame you for not liking the city - it's a weekend trip only sort of place for me. That said, I enjoyed it for what it was, but I do have some friends there.

I'll probably write more about my relationship as time goes on; still trying to figure out the ropes here so I don't get myself banned while I'm still a no-rep newbie.
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A great reminder by The Black Knight that men and women are not equal:
(04-13-2016 06:36 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 11:05 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Women will need to accept that a man might look elsewhere, but maintain the home front. Out of state out of mind and accept the fact a man might have a mistress. That's the best solution for some men.

This is how I role.

A woman's priority is to find a good provider that will take care of her and the children. The guy did just that from the sounds of it and met his end of the agreement by being successful. On the other hand, a man's priority is to bang out every young piece of ass and spread his seed far and wide. Very few men get excited about banging a chick they have been knocking out for 20 years and is 40+ years old. It's not the woman's fault that she got old; its just the way it is.

But the point is: Men and women are NOT equal and therefore, equal standards SHOULD NOT apply. Some of the responses in this thread are disturbing since some folks are basing their opinions on the assumption that men and women ARE equal.

An example in how things are not equal:

1. A 50 year old woman has nothing left to offer excluding companionship; especially if the kids have left the house already. Her SMV is about zero. She got provisioning for 30-ish years for herself and her children. She won the game and can't play anymore.

2. A 50 year old successful man can start a whole new family with a late 20's chick with some game and in the right environment. At the very least, these guys have opportunities to sport fuck some decent ass from time to time. Look at Donald Trump if you want an well known example of what I mean. The game isn't over for this guy.

But the woman gets indefinite provisioning despite having minimal value but the man is expected to keep his dick in a lockbox forever despite his SMV being way higher; a SMV likely earned over a period of decades on top of it? That's ridiculous.

You think this woman or the vast majority would stick by you if you couldn't provide during their prime? Get real. She'd be on the next Dick Train to Poundtown. A woman's value is primarily in her youthfulness and ability to be bear children. Once that is gone, she has little to offer.

Also keep in mind: Women peak around 20 just by default. Men around 40 if they have their shit together. Men earn their place at the table to be able to reproduce or have options to reproduce. Women? Shit, they pretty much just need to exist and not be a total cow (and even then...) in this day and age to get some baby batter in them. Since men have to earn it, they are are/should be afforded certain unique privileges as well. But you will think that's bullshit if you actually believe women earn it as much as men in attracting a partner because "equality" and all that non-sense.

Therefore given the actual reality between genders vs the manufactured reality of across the board "equality", an older woman's options should be:

1. She can stay and be fine with the man sport fucking some ass from time to time discreetly. Her needs get met (provisioning while having minimal SMV) and his needs get met (sampling young ass; simulating knocking up fertile sluts). Don't bring any diseases home, don't knock up a slut up, and don't publicly disrespect your wife. Pretty straight forward and everybody wins. One of the only few happy and stable marriages I have ever seen was with a foreign chick who clearly understood this. When the guy was out of town, she just wanted him to wrap it up (very understandable). That's it.

Also as we all know: a man can sport fuck a chick and think nothing of it an hour later. For a woman, it's a totally different story. Again, the genders are NOT equal and should NEVER be treated as such. I will never LTR a chick who doesn't accept and understand this fundamental fact of life.

2. Walk away and get payday. Assuming she gave up her best years, I'm OK with her getting a decent pay off. Not divorce rape levels but decent.

Seriously though: some of the borderline white-knighting in this thread is very odd and troubling to see. Some of you all need to take a step back and remember that men and women are NOT equal and stop making conclusions based on the assumption that things ARE equal. They are not. Not in the slightest bit nor will they ever will be.
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(04-15-2016 05:47 AM)262 Wrote:  A great reminder by The Black Knight that men and women are not equal:

Which thread is that from?
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(04-15-2016 04:30 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 05:47 AM)262 Wrote:  A great reminder by The Black Knight that men and women are not equal:

Which thread is that from?

It's from the "Older woman finds out husband is cheating after 30 yrs" thread.

If you're browsing on a desktop, click on the green arrow where I quote him.
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Here is an outstanding comment on the nature of excuses by TLOZ in the wagon thread, which applies to all excuses even those not related to alcohol:


You should recognize these excuses for what they are, and reflect on them. And rather then declare that your resolve is "absolute" -- so soon after it was shown to be anything but -- you should really think about the commitment you're making and how it will require dismissing the many excuses to abandon it that will surely present themselves over time. Once you've done that -- and if you really want to make such a commitment, and take it seriously -- please come back here and post your new start date, and make no strong declarations about your resolve until that resolve has been tested a little and proved to be equal to those tests.
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(03-26-2012 04:29 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I would like to hear what you guys all think but here's my story....

Have you ever seen a girl on her birthday or Christmas get a bunch of scratch offs in a card? Any other gift gets pushed aside and those tickets eat at her for some scratching. I've seen how excited the girls get.

Not only have I used them to open chicks at the Quickee mart but now I'm using them to get them to come over to my house when I can't leave at night. I'm talking about girls I've never met but have chatted with online. Also they help with flake factor. She kinda wants to come but....Add some tickets into the mix and see what happens. I've tried the stocked bar route at my house for years. The tickets seem to have more pull. When my kid was very young I would even have bonfires in my front yard and invite girls to them for drinks. It worked but hit or miss.

I was at the store the other day and this local yocal had a pile of them he was turning in. He said he buys the whole books and wins sometimes 2 or so thousand or loses a few hundred. Whatever. I got about 30 of them and won about 20 bucks. Thirty tics in a cell picture should be enough to get her to come. Tried. Works
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General Stalin's wisdom regarding the ending of a relationship.

(02-17-2016 01:33 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Relationships always end for a reason. Doesn't matter what the reason is - it happens and thats what needed to happen.

Another common thought when a girl breaks up with you or fades away is that "If only my game had been better..."

Get rid of that notion. If a girl isn't feeling you, then aside from you or her being a different person nothing was going to save your relationship. Telling her "no" to helping her hang that picture frame 6 months ago instead of "yes" wasn't going to keep her in your wheel house. Responding less to her texts wasn't going to stop her from sucking some other guy's dick.

Quote:All I can add is that many many years later I've come to the realization that I ended up being better off WITHOUT the women who broke up with me.

The flaw behind oneitis is that it makes you govern your life in a female-centric way. No female is the center of your life. You are the center of your life. A girl either wants to be a part of that or not. It's not your job to convince her that she should be with you. She needs to see who you are and what you got going on and decide if she wants to go along for the ride.

It's the idea that a woman completes your life and without that woman your life is missing something big and important. Fuck that. As long as you are the best version of yourself, then you are bullet proof. If a girl doesn't want to be a part of that then thats her problem not yours. You already got your shit together.

The bolded part has resonated with me.
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(03-04-2016 05:37 PM)LINUX Wrote:  A Pick Up Artist is a role-player in the gambit of life.

Beyond that charade of bullshit are the guys who have more women than they know what to do with.

The difference between those guys and a PUA is that they write their own script and walk their own path.

These men can not be replicated; therefore, PUA's will never compete with them.

As soon as people throw all that PUA -- alpha/beta- shit test- validation bullshit out the window, the sooner they'll see these doors start to open for them. A book can teach you how to be a PUA but what I'm talking about can't be taught and can't be written about in a way that people can understand it. You have to see it for yourself.

The old man is the old man and fish is the fish. Eventually, you have to stop pretending and be who you are.

(03-04-2016 06:19 PM)LINUX Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 06:05 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  But OP basically is talking about you right?

You're making it sound like just a knowledge thing, when really much of the wind in the sails of women's response to you is your physique. Which is basically OP's whole theory and which you haven't really addressed. I'm just saying, that in a more honest and less mystic response, you'd also have said "plus you should get jacked as fuck".

You're not getting it.

Like i said it can't be explained. Go spend some time with Fisto, Irish, Papi Rico, Vancity, Masculine Profiles, Atlantic, Scotian. Take all those personality types, social and anti-social , fat and skinny, short and tall, jacked and not jacked, and come back and figure out, "Why are these guys never alone?"

It's because they own who they are and none of them would let you label them a PUA. They have developed what you would call game around their personality type, and figured out their niche, whatever that may be.

Go see these things and you will understand what I am talking about on how this PED question is irrelevant. Yes, I am jacked but the women I land are no differently than what these other guys land on a consistent basis not being jacked.

Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
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Another gem I've found while searching in the forum:

(04-15-2016 08:01 AM)pitt Wrote:  When you tell your wife ''promise me that you will never reject me sex'', you are already coming in from a weak position. True alphas don't even say that, that is a needy approach and in the long run it always backfires.
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From the Somebody is going to eat my pussy or I’m going to cut your fucking throat thread, we have a great "country store/ gas station opener" from El Mech.

(09-24-2011 10:42 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  @ Ali When are you leaving? Car or bike? I have a country store/ gas station opener for you.

Ali: Do ya'll sell pickled eggs feet?

Her: What?

Ali: Ya know, The jar with the pink liquid?

Her: Ohh....... Pigs feet? Or eggs?.....Right over there next to the boiled peanuts shoog.

Ali: How do I get them out? come show me...What else does this town have in store for me? Tell me.

Her: Well.... event X is tonight at the legion hall.

Ali: Cool,,,,, whose'all goin? Besides you and me?
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(05-05-2016 03:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 12:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Your job as a man, is to troll these women into thinking how ridiculous it is to have a child past age 35 bang women half her age.

Fixed.
Rounded up to 18+, of course in US.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55582.html

Make sure to see below for other countries.

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^ Context: the discussion was women in their 40's who think they're now 'ready' to try to have children.

Age of Consent is 16 in most of Australia, (17 in SA / Tas), unless you're a Carer or in a Position of Authority over them (18).

Progressives can't complain about this because it's also 16 for Homosexuals and Genderfluids. Equality!
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General Stalin, chronicling history in real-time:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-11111...pid1292217

Quote:Generation Y is the first generation where the women completely and willingly let the clock run out - the first generation. Think about that.

This is actually unprecedented. Millennial Women, these 20-somethings to 30-somethings, are the first generation of women to experience trying to find a mate past the prime of their youth en masse. It's likely they are not biologically prepared for that on an instinctual and evolutionary level.

Think about it - for all of recorded human history, women have been having babies and settling down with their mate/husband from mid-teens to early-20's. This is the first time in all of history where women are forgoing that, and on an instinctual level are still trying to hunt for that ideal mate - yet they do not recognize they have little to nothing to offer such a specimen.

A girl gets into her 30's alone and childless. She is looking for "Mr. Right" to settle down with. Problem is, Mr. Right's biological imperative is to get with youthful women who show signs of good child baring. Not out-of-shape, high-risk-pregnancy, and menopause-approaching women of age-worn appearance.

Men of options take advantage of it.
Women of options take advantage of it.
Men of little options settle for whatever they can get.
Women of little options still try to live like they have options.

See the discrepancy?

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This forum never ceases to amaze me:


(05-06-2016 01:04 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Women are wasting their time with this stuff.

I don't care how educated a woman may think she is about us and how much she has "studied" our "methods". Women can "analyze" and shame what we do for 10 or 30 or even 50 years until they are in nursing homes and their hair is falling out. It will not change one bit of how they act when they are turned on, or negged, or triggered, or upset, or crying, or on their periods, or when being gamed.

No amount of "knowledge" will ever stop the absolute biological base triggers from male behavior (that we talk about every day here) that make a woman tingle and get her wet and horny.

In those vital moments where a woman's pussy and brain fight for control of a woman's actions, pussy always wins.

Pussy wins when she has PMS and decides to wear frumpy clothes and be bitchy, pussy wins when she goes into menopause and starts nagging about everything, pussy wins when she decides to divorce a nice guy she has been with for 10 years that isn't turning her on anymore, and pussy wins when she decides to have a one night stand with a guy she just met even though she is wearing an engagement ring she got a few days ago.

Pussy always wins over her brain in those strong emotional moments of her life no matter how many degrees she has, how much experience she's gathered, and how high her IQ is. Women can only talk about and apply logical knowledge and methods when they are totally devoid of powerful positive or negative emotions.

As soon as something comes along that makes her feel really strongly one way or the other, logic goes out the window and pussy takes control.
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From the "Societal do-over. How to keep masculinity alive." thread:
(05-14-2016 07:35 PM)Buck Wild Wrote:  
(05-14-2016 09:28 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  Women cant vote, no rights at all, there place is at home, raising the family.
Men have to serve mandatory time in the army (3 years) like Israel.
Build a wall.
liberalism, feminism and anything under the umbrella of marxism is considered treason and punished accordingly.
Christianity is the foundation of society.

Those are some good starting points.


Over the long run, this too is doomed. All would be well initially, but as such a society began to amass wealth and a measure of stability and even luxury, certain factions of men would seek to betray such a paradigm purely out of self-interest. Eventually, alphas would conspire to raise the status of women to gain further leverage over betas and to reinforce their own status. Unable to compete on status, betas would eventually weaken the social order by means of a sub rosa--and misguided--sexual strategy that seeks to trade identification and ideological compliance with women as a qualification for their intimacy. Women would play the whole scenario to lets-you-and-him-fight perfection and the whole party would start all over again.

Look, guys: civilization is not a linear process--it is a cyclical one. That's the core truth here. All successful, prosperous civilizations carry within them the seeds of their own destruction. There is no cure for this because there is no cure for us. All that can be done is to prepare to withstand the storm. There are no "do-overs"---this is it and it probably couldn't have been any other way. Get money, get pussy and either build your tribe & find that unicorn (unlikely) or abscond to friendlier shores.

Thought experiments like this are fine and okay as long as we don't lose sight of this.
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From the Elizabeth Holmes thread:

(08-31-2014 07:21 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  The only female accomplishments I care about are in the fields of cooking and cleaning.

Good for her though. She has plenty of money to leave her cats when she dies.

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(05-23-2016 06:45 PM)scotian Wrote:  In countries where they are a minority, Muslims are obsessed with minority rights, in countries where Muslims are the majority, minority rights don't exist.

Very succinct.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55978.html

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(10-28-2013 01:01 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  In Croatian, we call that sign "ljestve" (literally: "a ladder"). Until quite recently, its main use was in telephone centrals, now its main use is attention whoring.
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I don't recall this one being shared, but whatever anyway- it's got something for everyone.

From the How to handle a 9.5 thread, WIA drops it (again) like a hail storm that only the most omega motherfucker on earth would deny the icy truth in his words.

I am quoting in full, because it is necessary here. The world, when it comes to banging bitches, is not that bad, even though all we hear is bad news, every fucking day. I am living proof, anyone can get better and achieve the success they want in life. Keep those good vibes, brush the bad ones off and have fun with the time you have on this planet. It's a great place to be, just look around and know what a gift you have at your fingertips!

As always, thanks for all the advice you give to the forum, both in PM and elsewhere.

(03-30-2015 10:46 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Being intimidated is normal. That shit's to be expected, even as a vet. At this point in my career, i've banged a lot of bitches that dudes wish was in their stable - but every once in a while, I'll run across some top flight shit that got me stammering for an opening.

That being said, rather than bring that bitch down and think of her as a 5 - you need to bring yourself up. She might be a 9.5, but to her, you're an 11.

If a top shelf bitch is giving YOU attention, it's clear that you're a top shelf dude.

Think about what girls look for
- more social
- cooler
- taller
- stronger
- richer
- smarter
- funnier

Whatever bitch you sink your dick into, not only is she beneath you objectively, but she thinks so as well. She thinks she CAME UP. Like haha, "this dumb mf'er is about to make me cum, even though he could have someone better than me."

Lotta cats think their competition is with other guys. Naw B.
Your competition is primarily internal. Your unconscious mind is not giving you permission to do the shit that you want to.

With respect to her, most fine ass bitches can have whatever objective thing you can think of.

She want's a tall guy, she can have a tall guy.
She want's rich, she can have rich.
She want's a guy with a porno size dick, he's already in her speed dial.
She want's a pretty boy, they don't stop talking to her.

In 2015, even fat bitches can get that. FAT BITCHES! Think about that my G. A chick that's been dogged her whole life can take a pic showing off them carb loaded titties and suddenly all manner of guys want to take her out, show her the town. Even ugly bitches are getting picky.

With all that choice, all those options, even the best of the best becomes banal and boring to a top flight chick. She hears so much noise, she longs to hear signal.

So if a fine ass bitch gives you the time of day, SHE'S THE LUCKY ONE.
She finally found a dude that can excite her in ways that she can't articulate.

Trying to talk a bitch down in your mind, that's Game 101. That's for dudes that have been shit on their entire lives. They have to "demonstrate high value". A dude ain't doing that shit for her benefit, he does it for himself.

It's important to go through Game 101, a seduction bootcamp. Stressing about what you're gonna wear, when and how often to text, whether she wants to add you as a Facebook friend. 101 is some of the best time of your game career. Shit is new and sweet. Might be frustrating, but you get that first # from a cold approach, that first make out on the dance floor, that first hand job in the parking lot, your first one night stand - it's nothing but bliss.

All these games, routines, working out, gear - it has some external value - it does work - but the real value is what it does to you and your mind.

You buy that 1,000 suit, fits nice, in style, good color - that shit makes you feel like a million bucks. Some floozy touches your cashmere/silk blend, and you're like "bitch get up off me"

I am somebody.
I am worth something.

That sniveling bastard that spent his Friday nights online or lamenting with friends...He's stepped to the side.

Once you're in this game for real - you start to see how
- self conscious these bitches are
- their facades

and you'll also realize your own worth.

If there's ever a game secret... it is that one.

I might not be "fat" but I got a gut for a relatively skinny dude. Hell sometimes a broad won't see my shine cause I'm not polished all the time.

I know I can talk to a bitch and take her on a mental trip that no dude has ever taken her on. The bitch that gets to chat with me is lucky as shit. No one else is going to talk to her and expand her mind like I will. No one makes her feel smart, dumb, sexy, ugly, happy, sad like I will.

This is not some magical shit I refer to either. This ain't Michael Jordan/Warren Buffet shit - it's accessible shit, it's a mindset, it's a willingness to take YOURSELF seriously.

Suddenly having the perfect comeback to "Where are your friends" "Aren't you a little old" "Is that you're pick up line" - becomes stupid and pointless.

You start to see her antics for what they are.
She's afraid.

And you are not.

WIA
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I stumbled across this during my daily dose of Lizard stalking, and I believe it to be amongst the most important posts on the forum.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-35154...#pid706095

Quote:Icarus, your post is in itself a good succinct statement of the dominant metaphysics of our age. That is not surprising since the things one believes most deeply strike one as self-evident truths to be taken for granted.

But there are real problems with it. A very big problem is that "atoms" are in fact every bit as much of a human construction as "meaning". It is important that nihilism with respect to meaning -- the conviction that there is no objective meaning to be found, and any claim to find one is nothing more than a species of subjective or emotional chatter -- always goes hand in hand with the most shrugging Platonism with respect to mathematical objects.

The picture is one of a universe necessarily disconnected from human meaning or purpose, governed by objective mathematical laws that exist independently of the human mind, and that we may only discover through mathematical science. These laws, because they exist "out there", independent of human cognition, have the privileged status of objectivity; all other assertions cannot aspire to this status and are merely "subjective".

The trouble is that mathematical Platonism is an almost self-evidently ludicrous idea if you really examine it for a second. There is no "pi in the sky"; there are no mathematical objects that magically exist outside of human cognition. What are these objects exactly? The quite obvious reality is that we invented all these mathematical objects, just as we invented everything else. "But they work!" Yes -- we invented them so that they would work. That is their point.

Once it becomes clear that there is no privileged domain of objective Platonic truth that is necessarily disconnected from human sentience, one can also see the confusion in the idea that statements about meaning are necessarily invalid merely because we "just make them up" -- as if there were statements of any other kind! Once the idea of a sacralized mathematical domain of the only "objective reality" is removed, one observes that we proceed in life at all times as if all sorts of statements are objectively true, as if there is very much such a thing as objective reality and we deal with it, more or less successfully, at every instant. It is only when we try to do philosophy that we are so mesmerized by the notion of some impossibly hard and perfect truth that we dismiss perfectly valid ways of thinking about the world as somehow secondary and inferior to that chimeric vision.

I believe that a good starting point for thinking about the meaning of the world is to realize that there are two different things: human sentience, and the materials that surround it and of which it is made. It is not easy to understand the nature of that difference, but everyone is aware of it and acknowledges it. It does no good to deny this difference by describing us as machines governed by some external mathematical laws -- since it is we, human sentience, that invented those laws and mathematics itself in the first place.

Once this difference between sentience and materials is seen, it becomes clear that the most fundamental activity that sentience is engaged in is attempting to gain increasing control of materials. The cumulative scientific and technological progress of mankind over time is the outcome of this relentless struggle of sentience to manipulate non-sentient matter and bend it to its will. That activity can be taken as almost the definition of meaning and purpose. Thus, the most basic occupation of sentience is one that involves it with meaning and purpose at all times -- whether or not this is consciously realized.

It was unfortunate but inevitable that while dismissing the kinds of Platonism involved in religious faith, we overlooked the very similar confusions inherent in mathematical Platonism and were led to the current dominant metaphysics of nihilism. I think that this situation will eventually be rectified once the brute force consequences of technological progress -- our ability to affect the physical circumstances related to our own bodies and brains in truly game-changing ways -- begin to show people the real point of progress, and give them an instinctive understanding of how sentience proceeds vis-a-vis materials; all while increasing our raw intelligence, which will make these conclusions easier to arrive at. At some point, Wittgenstein's work in the Philosophical Investigations will also be rediscovered and it will be seen that it laid the foundations for seeing through the confusions inherent in Platonism of every variety.
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RE: Great Comments By RVF Members
One of the all time greatest on RVF, from Kaotic, an appeal to a man about to destroy his life:

(08-30-2016 11:50 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Goddamn Fathom wants to hamster this all away.



I'm not going to be nice or sugarcoat anything below:


Dude, you made a thread on a forum asking the advice of some other random dudes on the internet about a woman in your life.

If that isn't an obvious sign of doubt and question, then I don't what the hell is.

You CLEARLY aren't sure about this, you already have the cons laid out.

"B-bu-buut she's the best I'll ever get"

BULLSHIT ! You can always do fucking better - this girl is a booby trap waiting to go off. You can already see her trying to control you, she is NOT supporting you.

You're just another asset to her plan to live life - not a partner.

She won't let you go on your overseas trip to work - she's not being supportive.

Guess what she'll do when you're gone overseas ? Probably hope on the cock carousel to lash out at you going abroad.


There are ALWAYS better woman out there, you need to have the right skillsets to find them.


"B-bu-buut I don't have those skillsets, I'll never get a girl like that, so I'm settling on this one"

FUCK THAT ! Workout, eat right, learn game, start approaching, work your ass off, establish yourself - you'll absolutely find better quality women and pussy.

You're living in such a negative mindset with such a self defeating attitude.

You won't listen to what we have to tell you, you just wanted to vent, in the hopes of someone saying, "you know Fathom, go ahead and marry her, she sounds great"

Those aren't your children, she's been married before, if she was abused - that shit will come to haunt you, she wants you to sign a pre-nup, she's angry about possibly going overseas.

I had a hotter girl, with no kids, who adored me, who wanted my children and to marry her in the next few years.

I WALKED AWAY FROM IT.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52295.html

Because I knew in the long run, it wouldn't work out, she had some issues, I wasn't committed enough.

I knew the writing was on the wall - which is why I posted it on the forum seeking advice from senior members - to confirm why I was doing so.


Frankly, you need to see this from an outsiders perspective (which has been done given) and you need to knock that pussy off the pedestal.

You can do so much better than this woman.

Also, NEVER depend on a woman to make you happy, to fulfill you, or to complete you.


The thing that needs most work is your INNER GAME - you need to rebuild your self confidence.

So you got crushed by your first marriage - yet "please my lady, can I have some more?" and want to wife up this one ?


NO dude, what you need to complete YOURSELF before you even try to date anyone, let alone marry.

EDIT:

I'm probably around the same age as you, I don't have my own house, rentals, boat, whatever. That shit doesn't matter right now in your life.

Start working on yourself, not trying to find the right woman who'll take care of you.

A man will take care of himself, a man will asses his weaknesses and work on them, a man will be humbled by others and accept their advice, a man doesn't worry about what women think and does what he wants.
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(08-30-2016 12:07 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  One of the all time greatest on RVF, from Kaotic, an appeal to a man about to destroy his life:

(08-30-2016 11:50 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Goddamn Fathom wants to hamster this all away.



I'm not going to be nice or sugarcoat anything below:


Dude, you made a thread on a forum asking the advice of some other random dudes on the internet about a woman in your life.

If that isn't an obvious sign of doubt and question, then I don't what the hell is.

You CLEARLY aren't sure about this, you already have the cons laid out.

"B-bu-buut she's the best I'll ever get"

BULLSHIT ! You can always do fucking better - this girl is a booby trap waiting to go off. You can already see her trying to control you, she is NOT supporting you.

You're just another asset to her plan to live life - not a partner.

She won't let you go on your overseas trip to work - she's not being supportive.

Guess what she'll do when you're gone overseas ? Probably hope on the cock carousel to lash out at you going abroad.


There are ALWAYS better woman out there, you need to have the right skillsets to find them.


"B-bu-buut I don't have those skillsets, I'll never get a girl like that, so I'm settling on this one"

FUCK THAT ! Workout, eat right, learn game, start approaching, work your ass off, establish yourself - you'll absolutely find better quality women and pussy.

You're living in such a negative mindset with such a self defeating attitude.



Those aren't your children, she's been married before, if she was abused - that shit will come to haunt you, she wants you to sign a pre-nup, she's angry about possibly going overseas.

I had a hotter girl, with no kids, who adored me, who wanted my children and to marry her in the next few years.

I WALKED AWAY FROM IT.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52295.html

Because I knew in the long run, it wouldn't work out, she had some issues, I wasn't committed enough.

I knew the writing was on the wall - which is why I posted it on the forum seeking advice from senior members - to confirm why I was doing so.


Frankly, you need to see this from an outsiders perspective (which has been done given) and you need to knock that pussy off the pedestal.

You can do so much better than this woman.

Also, NEVER depend on a woman to make you happy, to fulfill you, or to complete you.


The thing that needs most work is your INNER GAME - you need to rebuild your self confidence.


Start working on yourself, not trying to find the right woman who'll take care of you.

A man will take care of himself, a man will asses his weaknesses and work on them, a man will be humbled by others and accept their advice, a man doesn't worry about what women think and does what he wants.

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(06-07-2016 12:20 PM)LINUX Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 10:19 PM)seaguy87 Wrote:  Hello,

I've been reading ROK for a while now and I've been trying to wrap my mind around some concepts; I hope some of you will be able to help me make the mental links:

1) I was wondering if some men are just naturally alpha and/or have never had to swallow the red pill?

2) I am trying to understand the link between women's hypergamy and their association of sex with emotions. For men, our sexual needs are (primarily) physical. For women, it's (primarily) an emotional need. Is this dichotomy true? If so, how does hypergamy affect their emotional satisfaction?

By alpha, assuming you mean "self-reliance" Let's talk.

Take two guys, both with similar make-ups and genetics.

One sits on the computer all day long reading manosphere blogs and books on how to be alpha, he's funny, he's charming, he has a way with words. Lets call him "FuckHerInThePussy89". He gets a very good reputation, starts a blog, starts a podcast, writes an ebook saying the same things others have said for the past 10 years etc, even charges for Skype sessions and sells a DVD program entitled "How to be Alpha.". People admire him. He a scholar. He likes this admiration. He likes the money.

Then there is another guy:

Let's say he is in a plane crash , loses his whole family, has to bury his 5 year old daughter to keep the vultures from eating her body. All he has with him is some dry clothes, a rifle, a knife, and a few miscellaneous items. He knows that camp is 20 miles west and it's going to take him a few weeks to get there. He has another daughter at home so he can't give up. In the distance he hears the howls of wolves and the snow is coming.

Assuming guy one ever gets off the computer and guy two survives the wilderness. Which one will spend their life being self-reliant and living a truly masculine role, walking his own path, and not giving a fuck what others think.

So no, I don't think being alpha is natural, it's an acquired trait starting at birth by refusing to fold with the deck of cards that society or God has dealt you. It takes struggle and pain to take on that role and can't be learned by reading. And keep in mind, there is huge difference between being alpha and being popular.

To be perfectly honest with you, If I would take all the guys from the forum that I've met that I would consider alpha. They all have one thing in common. They've been dealt a pretty shitty hand of cards and inside their head is a constant struggle on a constant basis. They all lived a life like guy number 2 but have slightly different stories.

That's my take.

(06-07-2016 02:50 PM)LINUX Wrote:  
Quote:I have to disagree. Guy #1 creates an online empire, making far more than guy #2, and took no unnecessary physical risks. Guy #1 teaches how to be alpha to millions of readers and creates a new mindset for a new age. No matter if he is censored, others will carry on the torch of truth, and his legacy will live on.

Guy #2 survives for a few days, like on a t.v. show Naked and Afraid, might get a 20 second local news segment, and disappears into obscurity. Comparing apples to apples, I say guy #1 is far more alpha. I aspire to be like him.


I said nothing about legacy or building an empire. I doubt guy number 2 is going to give two shits about legacy.

So you think this Meehow PUA guy who does exactly what you talk about:

[Image: mehow-pua-and-girl.jpg]

is more alpha than Olympic gold medalist Rulon Gardner:

Quote:In 2002, Gardner went snowmobiling with some friends in the mountains surrounding Star Valley, Wyoming. At one point, he became separated from the group. During his efforts to regain his composure and regroup, he fell into the freezing Salt River with his snowmobile. Unable to move any farther, Gardner decided to build a shelter and wait for a rescue team. He remained stranded for the next 18 hours. After several hours in his makeshift shelter, he stopped shivering, which led him to believe that he was dying. When he was eventually rescued, he was experiencing hypothermia and severe frostbite. Due to the physical damage, a saw had to be used to remove his boots. The harrowing experience cost Gardner the middle toe on his right foot, which he keeps in formaldehyde in a jar in his refrigerator, to remind him of his mortality.

Quote:On February 24, 2007,[9] Gardner and two other men survived a crash when a light aircraft he was traveling in crashed into Lake Powell, Utah. The men swam an hour in 44 °F (7 °C) water to reach shore, and then spent the night without shelter.


[Image: 0212-rulon-gardner-3.jpg]


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(05-30-2016 02:06 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Sciurophobia

90% of the stuff in manosphere is shit. Stop reading it. It's obviously given you a negative outlook.

Since the brain is a reflexive organ, most of things are written while under a certain state of mind -- loneliness, frustration, anger, jelousy, etc. and while our brain changes day to day and experience to experience, words are always online to stay even as we change.

You growing as a man, is going to be determined by your ability to sort though the truth and bullshit. And you do that by real-life experiences, not reading stuff on the internet.
Here is an example: I've got a few friends in Indonesia at this moment; every weekend they have a table service at a famous night club surrounded by 10 women who are their close friends. These guys are complete ballers, and not a weekend goes by that they aren't fucking one of the hot girls at their table (that other guys only dream of), or a random friend of a friend of a girl sitting at the table , while also making everyone in the club jealous because all the women in the club want to be a part of that group .

Do you think these guys are sitting around reading that article that was posted on "why men shouldn't be friends with women?"

Fuck no they're not.

Learn to sort through the bullshit and start enjoying life because it's too short not to. No man should be a slave to his own emotions.

Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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