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RE: Breaking gym contract
(10-27-2015 09:04 AM)Ryre Wrote:  Businessman's hamster:
"Let's get people to sign long-term contracts for our services and then provide the absolute least, worst service we can get away with. Let's hope they just stop using our service but keep paying. We'll make it as hard to cancel as we can and might just 'lose' their paperwork a few times if they do try to cancel. If they object we'll tell them 'hey, you signed the contract, you are morally bound to pay.' Meanwhile let's play hardball with our employees, suppliers, landlord, the government, etc. If it is cheaper to renegotiate, default, go bankrupt, sue, pay a penalty, etc. than to do the right thing, then fuck morality."

Indeed comrade, the gym owner uses the contract to exploit us! He is a decadent parasite upon the proletariat! His tricks won't work on us. If he demands the payment we agreed to, we'll just get everyone to call him a bad guy until he cowers in fear and stops asking for it! Honouring agreements is oppression! Everyone knows that there is no such thing as "competition", "reputation", and "inspecting the product before you buy", and that all these are merely capitalist lies and propaganda from the entrenched and collaborating gym industrialists.

That aside, best bring your mother along next time you sign a contract, lest baddy businessman 'gets you' again.
10-27-2015 10:02 AM
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RE: Breaking gym contract
People used to move heaven and earth to get out of their contracts at the karate school I worked at. The two easiest ways to get out of the contract were:

1 - Calling the company and ask to buy out your contract at whatever rate seems affordable to you.

2 - Just telling your bank to cancel the automatic payments.

Chances are your business is not worth the effort it would take to bring you to collections.

Alternatively, you could fake your death, get a new identity, change all your bank account info, file bankruptcy, move your accounts offshore, hack their finances, or win the lottery and buy the place.

If you are going to impose your will on the world, you must have control over what you believe.

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10-27-2015 11:21 PM
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RE: Breaking gym contract
(10-27-2015 10:02 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:04 AM)Ryre Wrote:  Businessman's hamster:
"Let's get people to sign long-term contracts for our services and then provide the absolute least, worst service we can get away with. Let's hope they just stop using our service but keep paying. We'll make it as hard to cancel as we can and might just 'lose' their paperwork a few times if they do try to cancel. If they object we'll tell them 'hey, you signed the contract, you are morally bound to pay.' Meanwhile let's play hardball with our employees, suppliers, landlord, the government, etc. If it is cheaper to renegotiate, default, go bankrupt, sue, pay a penalty, etc. than to do the right thing, then fuck morality."

Indeed comrade, the gym owner uses the contract to exploit us! He is a decadent parasite upon the proletariat! His tricks won't work on us. If he demands the payment we agreed to, we'll just get everyone to call him a bad guy until he cowers in fear and stops asking for it! Honouring agreements is oppression! Everyone knows that there is no such thing as "competition", "reputation", and "inspecting the product before you buy", and that all these are merely capitalist lies and propaganda from the entrenched and collaborating gym industrialists.

That aside, best bring your mother along next time you sign a contract, lest baddy businessman 'gets you' again.

I hear what you are saying, I do. I should have considered more carefully before I joined. Fact of the matter is if I felt totally morally at ease with this I would not be bothering to defend my decision. That said, my position is not as far out as you make it. I am not advocating against the free market. I am advocating acting in the free market toward businesses the way businesses act in the free market toward each other (and toward you and me).

I think you and I differ in that I believe there is an imbalance of power here. Yes, I voluntarily signed, I had the power not to. But the idea that two equal market players, me and the corporation, came together and negotiated an agreement, as happens in abstract free market theory, is a fiction. What do you think would have happened if I had started crossing out terms on the contract and adding my own? Did the sales rep even have the power to negotiate with me? The situation was take it or leave it. If I recall correctly the gym only offers long-term contracts, i.e. I did not agree to one to get a lower price. Why, as I said above, do they have the ability to fuck with my credit while I have no equivalent power?

If a market player of equal power came to them, e.g. their landlord, a supplier, etc., and asked to renegotiate, the gym would have to consider it--because the alternative is litigation which has its own costs. But if I ask to renegotiate they can tell me to fuck off. I have no credible threat of litigation--they don't have to lift a finger to send my contract to a debt collector and fuck me.

Given such an unequal power balance in a system I did not create, I am not inclined to be overly scrupulous. They require certain documents to end a contract. Fine, I will provide one of those documents. I will do so without forging anything. As to whether I am really changing residence? Sue me and find out in discovery.
10-28-2015 12:03 PM
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RE: Breaking gym contract
You mentioned that they didn't have bumpers. Start doing decently heavy DLs (~225) and letting the bar go with each rep. Same thing with cleans (~135). That steel on floor is sure to annoy someone eventually. They complain to you and you let them know that you can't effectively complete your workouts without proper equipment. You keep doing it, they'll ask you to leave (which should void out the contract).

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10-28-2015 02:48 PM
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(10-26-2015 09:35 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 04:18 PM)NO_LIMIT_CRACKA Wrote:  Just wanted to chime in to lol at all the holier than thou people going on about UPHOLD THE CONTRACT LAW it's just a shitty gym that locked you into a 1-2 year contract, why would you care about them, they got enough money out of you

Yeah but where does that attitude end?

When your car insurers don't fancy covering you? When your employer doesn't fancy paying you?

One can't really pick and choose if you ask me.

That happens all the time.

Just sayin.
10-29-2015 03:41 AM
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RE: Breaking gym contract
(10-29-2015 03:41 AM)Surreyman Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 09:35 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 04:18 PM)NO_LIMIT_CRACKA Wrote:  Just wanted to chime in to lol at all the holier than thou people going on about UPHOLD THE CONTRACT LAW it's just a shitty gym that locked you into a 1-2 year contract, why would you care about them, they got enough money out of you

Yeah but where does that attitude end?

When your car insurers don't fancy covering you? When your employer doesn't fancy paying you?

One can't really pick and choose if you ask me.

That happens all the time.

Just sayin.

All the time?

I don't think so.
10-29-2015 04:56 AM
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