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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
That's true. Most relationships are transactional even if it doesn't seem that way. The only exception is family, really, but how many family members wish they didn't have the obligation to associate?

But really the crux of the red pill has to do with the illusion that women are more caring, loving, giving, and generally more ethical in all things (including relationships).

I've learned how self-centered and entitled women really are, and how affection is something they just turn on and off like a light-switch.
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I fucking love this forum. Threads like these help me unravel the complexities of life. It's like the father that I never had.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
The wall comes for us all, yet people still want to play god and deny nature: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/features/...rs-n978526
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Growing up as a privileged teenager and being proud of my parents still being married whilst everyone else’s parents fell apart, then overhearing a phone call between my mother and her friend - one of those where the cell volume is too loud

“Was you snogging that guy by the stairs?”
Response “no but I wanted too”

Not long after - answering the house land line, a pal of my father mistakes me for him “I’ve got us some girls when you getting here?” Probably both throwing their car keys into the country club pot...they are divorced now

A gf I had at university always kicked me out before a certain time every morning, then we started getting closer so one morning she let me stay past the “curfew” her phone rings and it was her long term bf from back home - from Ireland...takes the call in front of me and doesn’t bat an eyelid, then asks if we are still cool afterwards

A female roommate at university having her second abortion...they never learn their lesson

I was sleeping with a girl, pal of mine with her roommate. Me and the pal are drunk as so decide to just show up at their house. My plate was already in bed fooling around with another guy. Kicks him out, spends the night fucking my brains out, the sort of sex where the room stinks of it

A ltr ex turning toxic and coming out with crap that she feared me abusing her because it suited her narrative to gloss over her sleeping around

A married ex sliding into my dm’s on Instagram
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Probably the difference in male and female romantic love.

Male romantic love is pure and unconditional. Female romantic 'love' is opportunistic and conditional.

Women can feel romantic love just as intensely as men, but it is based on certain conditions. If those conditions are no longer satisfied, or another opportunity to better satisfy them appears, their 'love' can disappear overnight.

It is very unhelpful that we use the same word for male and female romantic love, and that most cultural depictions of love are based on male romantic love.

Now that I'm redpilled, I don't know why this was such a shock. Women are primitive. They can be aroused by male chimps. One of the most successful series of erotic novels involves women being kidnapped and fucked by bigfoot. A persistent theme in these novels is bigfoot unleashing his massive gorilla bigfoot load all over the woman's face. The woman who writes these books is a millionaire.

The redpill is quite a journey.
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(04-09-2019 11:18 AM)Oak Wrote:  Probably the difference in male and female romantic love.

Male romantic love is pure and unconditional. Female romantic 'love' is opportunistic and conditional.

Women can feel romantic love just as intensely as men, but it is based on certain conditions. If those conditions are no longer satisfied, or another opportunity to better satisfy them appears, their 'love' can disappear overnight.

It is very unhelpful that we use the same word for male and female romantic love, and that most cultural depictions of love are based on male romantic love.

This is something that every young man must read and understand.

The seemingly unconditional love of a woman can and will be taken away in an instant when circumstances change.

She doesn't love you the same way that you love her. She loves the security that you provide.
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That you cannot save yourself. Doesn't matter how good a person you are, how many good deeds you've done. That 'there, but for the grace of God', go all of us.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
I dated a girl in the country of Georgia. It was a pretty intense, albeit short term relationship.

After years of being rather red pilled, I honestly slipped a bit. I cared a bit more than I should have, texted back sooner than I should have, stayed an extra month to be around her.

Of course, things went south when I started to show that I actually gave a shit. Red pill. Go figure.

This girl liked to act super traditional, but claimed she had only slept with five guys.

The first night I had her in my apartment, she sang karaoke in front of my TV while I drank beer and watched. The one song she sang was an acapella version of Sam Smith's "I Know I'm Not The Only One."

It's a song written by this degenerate homo talking about how his partner is cheating on him.

"You say I'm crazy, 'cause you don't think I know what you've done," so the song goes...

Things got red hot by date 4, and sex was constant and really good. Probably the best I've had, sadly.

Over time, me being more invested gradually shifted things away. She was always hanging out with her friends, always at university, never wanted to come over, never had time to see me. By the third month, I broke it off.

She was always hanging out in a group of friends that included one or two guys. I didn't like that shit, I told her, she said to "relax" because it's normal in Georgian culture.

Few months later, I see on Facebook she's dating another guy. She messages me asking about my Visa situation in the country and if I want her to continue holding onto my documents, conversation turns and she tells me how she's in "love" and how great it is. I'm like okay whatever bitch, peace.

A few hours later I'm riding in a cab. I'm in Ukraine, thousands of miles away.

That same fucking song came on the radio.

"You say I'm crazy, 'cause you don't think I know what you've done..."

Then it hit me.

She was hanging out with the new guy the whole time. She totally monkey-branched over to a local when she sensed I was invested. She kept fucking me, but was seeing this other guy on the side. The bitch lied to me about it being a cultural thing.

Your subconscious mind is an amazing thing. It picks up on all the minor context clues that your conscious mind does not, and will sometimes alert you when danger is near. This was one of those times.

Red Pill: The one girl I thought was probably not going to cheat on me (in a country where they're not eve allowed to date and have boyfriends) was in all likelihood.

The last remaining, twitching fiber covered in blue radioactive waste finally died inside of me that day.

ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.
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(04-09-2019 06:03 PM)ArloDash Wrote:  Your subconscious mind is an amazing thing. It picks up on all the minor context clues that your conscious mind does not

The trick is learning how to read your subconscious mind and recognizing the patterns and clues. Becoming "aware". Apologies for the nu-age hippy term.

Some people call it "intuition" and it can become highly developed when your conscious mind feeds back into the unconscious.

Be careful of things that sabotage or reprogram your unconscious mind. The advertising industry, the churches, tv/radio/internet "programming", evil people... etc.

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(04-09-2019 11:18 AM)Oak Wrote:  Women can feel romantic love just as intensely as men, but it is based on certain conditions. If those conditions are no longer satisfied, or another opportunity to better satisfy them appears, their 'love' can disappear overnight.

Big compliments for a great post, first of all. This is a pill I've slowly swallowed within the past year or so. I have been completely aware of the differences in love between men and women and have heard and said this to my other red pilled friends.

Hell, the weird thing is that I even mentioned this jokingly to a girl I was dating for several months - that men perception love were different to women. I even told her that women can go from hero to zero and once she realises this guy is not going to be the one, it's like nothing he did in the past to her ever mattered and the level of coldness will almost be astounding. I can remember to having this exact with her on 1-3 occassions. She obviously didn't agree with me and told I was silly and just cynical because I've been in circles with bad women.

Months later our relationship was all good when I happened to mention that I think younger men have a rougher time in today's world than women (while on the phone). She snapped and became very butthurt over this and the call ended and she ignored me for a few days.

We got back together but things were completely different after that and she became super cold in the next few weeks and we eventually broke it off.
I had been her alpha for a few months and she had talked to friends and family and everything and suddenly she thought she could also just end all those months together with a text.

But to my point...
I'm thinking there could be this sort of evolutionary explanation for it (sure you could make up an evolutionary argument for everything if you what but I think this one makes sense).

But women obviously have a much shorter biological clock than men. Once they're past 35 or 40, they will have a much harder time having kids and finding an attractive high value partner. Therefore it's also more important to move on quickly and not dwell on the past.

It is men that care about nostalgia. It is men who makes songs like "Summer of 69" and romanticize the past. When the fuck did a woman make a song like that for example?

I'd definitely like to recommend this video by the Thinking Ape (Stardusk) where talks about this topic and makes some great points about some sad facts of life.



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Your own expectations are the foundation of your torment.

Example, I haven't been on this forum in a while due to a family death, my grandad who raised me and still helped me a lot in life died.

I expected him to die (which sounds bad but I tried to be as stoic as possible and was prepared....so his death wasn't as horrible as the others in my family who had hope)

HOWEVER, I had a girl (new girl) who I've been dating for about 2 months. She knew about his funeral and said she would be free and would help me through the pain. Basically, she wanted to be there for me. Long story short not only was she not there for me at all but she drove a hour away to fuck some other guy. It pisses me off that this hurt me way more than the fact my grandad passed. The expectations that somebody might actually be there for me gave me hope.
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^^That first sentence- profound as hell.

This torments me daily as I plot my course on how I achieve what I want (family/kids) after getting divorced. My expectations get me disappointed constantly. Do I lower expectations or soldier on? The eternal question.
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(04-13-2019 11:18 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Your own expectations are the foundation of your torment.

Example, I haven't been on this forum in a while due to a family death, my grandad who raised me and still helped me a lot in life died.

I expected him to die (which sounds bad but I tried to be as stoic as possible and was prepared....so his death wasn't as horrible as the others in my family who had hope)

HOWEVER, I had a girl (new girl) who I've been dating for about 2 months. She knew about his funeral and said she would be free and would help me through the pain. Basically, she wanted to be there for me. Long story short not only was she not there for me at all but she drove a hour away to fuck some other guy. It pisses me off that this hurt me way more than the fact my grandad passed. The expectations that somebody might actually be there for me gave me hope.

I actually had something similar.

My father died, but it was expected, we knew he was sick, the whole family was at their best in helping him and supporting each other. It was an extremely negative thing, but in some ways we were at our best in bad times, praying with him, making sure he was not alone and as comfortable as possible.

At the same time I had a recent ex from a 2 year relationship who I was in contact with when the situation came about. For me, I was realizing I wanted her with me through the difficult time and felt more forgiving about some of our past BS, because things like this give us perspective. She presented herself as being supportive, trying to 'help' or 'care', but there wasn't anything happening with her beyond strategizing about getting the upper hand in the relationship. In the end she actually fucked with me pretty hard during a emotionally delicate period of time.

At the time, I think the betrayal and moral ambivalence of the gf/ex I thought cared about me was in some ways more difficult for me to mentally deal with then my father dying.

It really made me realize what low a level our relationship was on, or what low a level some people operate, and how misguided I was. Big Red Pill.
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Hypergamy, flaking, disrespect towards decent males (not even nice guys just non stereotypical Chads) female lying, and false rape accusations
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Donfitz007 Wrote:
Your own expectations are the foundation of your torment.

Adjust your expectations. You can trust a woman to be a woman. Nothing more, nothing less.

he he he......
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(04-13-2019 09:17 PM)MMM Wrote:  Donfitz007 Wrote:
Your own expectations are the foundation of your torment.

Adjust your expectations. You can trust a woman to be a woman. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ok this still proves my point

My expectations that she would be there for me and the realization that she wasn't was what broke me down

And the expectations that my grandad would not make it and the realization that I was riight is what saved me from alot of pain

Not necessarily seeing things in a negative way but in a neutral or realistic way
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(03-03-2019 03:48 AM)questor70 Wrote:  That's true. Most relationships are transactional even if it doesn't seem that way. The only exception is family, really, but how many family members wish they didn't have the obligation to associate?

But really the crux of the red pill has to do with the illusion that women are more caring, loving, giving, and generally more ethical in all things (including relationships).

I've learned how self-centered and entitled women really are, and how affection is something they just turn on and off like a light-switch.

Many times I have been with a woman and I have been impressed by her feminine, submissive, caring, geisha-like qualities...only to be awaken from the illusion by her interactions with men she WASN'T attracted to. Like two different women. With that in mind it makes certain sense for incels to hate woman. The attitude women have towards men on the bottom of the attraction totem pole must be very different from the picture you see if you're attractive.
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DonFitz007, NoMoreTO - I'm sorry you went through that, perhaps I can offer some perspective on it.

Manosphere 101 would have explained this as hypergamy; that you experienced a moment of weakness, and became 'Beta' in her eyes, driving her tingles to find an 'Alpha' to cuck you with. There's an element of truth to that, but I think it fails to capture the totality of the situation; it's too reductionist, ignoring the fact that women are ensouled beings with Free Will.

I've said in the past that the difference between man and animal, is that when you do a favour for an animal, it loves you for it. When you do a favour for a man, he resents you for it. Humanity has the capacity to choose evil - to choose our own destruction - and far too often these forces come to the fore. We absolutely love sabotaging ourselves.

The treachery these girls inflicted on you wasn't motivated by your weakness, but by your strength. Something as visceral as a funeral strips away the outer 'cool guy' persona and reveals you for what you are. And from how you described your actions - stoicism - it showed that you weren't just a car with a good paint job, but a car with a good engine under the hood, to boot. Not only were you the cool Alpha guy - you were also a man capable of love.

It's this love that terrified them.

Note that the girl didn't just flake or grow distant - she went out of her way to go bang somebody else. And she wasn't doing it to harm you - she was doing it to harm herself. She was acting like a whore to prove to herself what a useless whore she was, because the idea of being loved made her feel vulnerable - out of control - and she was reasserting control by 'proving' that she could destroy herself.

For many people, it's better to cackle in the darkness, then come into the light and reveal all of their flaws.

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This isn't a profound one, but it's big for me, as I never wanted to admit it to myself.

Ever since I became determined to better my physique (have shed about 20 pounds so far and got a good haircut for once), my own experiences with how people react to me have been a red pill. Women smile at me a lot more, and people just want to be around me far more than they used to. I'm looking forward to the end results, and will try to not become a vain son of a bitch at the end of it.

People are shallow. Men, women, everyone. If you're fat, sloppy, and have low self-esteem, people will forget your name, ignore you, and be far less likely to want to be your friend...and that's BEFORE sex and dating enters into the equation!
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@Aurini

This is absolutely terrifying, yet it rings so true.

I’ll add a more merciful view of it. It’s hard to sacrifice yourself for others. Especially in this superficial world. People are ungrateful, people take advantage of you. Truly, no good deed goes unpunished. Perhaps it’s a metaphysical manifestation of the physical Laws of Conservation - Newton’s second law and all that, equal yet opposite.

It’s generally subconcious, dumb and animal, programmed into people. Recognizing patterns, a problem of expectation as aforementioned above. “He’s expecting something from me, something soft and feminine... Experience with my friends/family/Chad Thundercock promises I’ll be taken advantage of... Let me head this off at the pass and get him first!”

That Shadow Self is a right rub, isn’t it? And they cackle to their hag-frienemies. And Jesus weeps.

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It’s natural.

Everyone wants to Win. Everyone is calculating fitness at every moment, a savage undertow, that undercurrent undercutting every single interaction we have. Manifested in subtle signs - a slight downturn in pitch, breaking rapport, the softest wrinkling of the brow, rankling in disgust.

The Soul, the Psyche, it’s porous. Get the Loser away like a Leper, lest you too fall to the infection of middling mediocrity.

Just you wait. The more dramatic the transformation the more jarring your world will become. Don’t lose yourself to it - don’t lose sight of the soul. Turn your back on it and it’s gone in a moment, swirling in far off seas.
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(04-14-2019 02:47 PM)stugatz Wrote:  This isn't a profound one, but it's big for me, as I never wanted to admit it to myself.

Ever since I became determined to better my physique (have shed about 20 pounds so far and got a good haircut for once), my own experiences with how people react to me have been a red pill. Women smile at me a lot more, and people just want to be around me far more than they used to. I'm looking forward to the end results, and will try to not become a vain son of a bitch at the end of it.

People are shallow. Men, women, everyone. If you're fat, sloppy, and have low self-esteem, people will forget your name, ignore you, and be far less likely to want to be your friend...and that's BEFORE sex and dating enters into the equation!

I've had the same experience during periods where I comfort ate, didn't train and let things slip. It's quite eye opening if you grew up as an athlete. At some level probably very similar to what women experience gradually with the wall. Going from turning heads to invisible.
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Exactly, ThriceLazarus. Nothing makes us more vulnerable than love. Think about the love we have for children - perhaps those of us who aren't parents can only imagine it - but you're burndened with complete powerlessness. You can do your best to raise your children right, but once they reach adulthood they're given the freedom to do whatever they want.

You cannot love and control at the same time.

When a man loves a woman, he's giving her the power to crush his heart. When a woman loves a man, she's risking his abandonment when her looks are faded. That which gives us the greatest comfort cannot be controlled; to achieve it means to lose the ability to force it. The role of the wife is that of submission, quiet, and nurturing - the role of the husband is that of leadership, protection, and hard work. Doing this is the best way to achieve what both parties want, but the gifts must be given freely, without condition or expectation.

This is why so many couples resort to controlling behaviour, mommy wives and boy husbands - a two person conspiracy, as my friend puts it. The wife maintains her independence, by acting like a husband, nagging rather than leading. The man never embraces responsibility, doing what he's told, except when he sneaks off to drink with his friends. Neither party is truly satisfied, but they both feel like they have 'hand' in the relationship.

Furthermore - love strips us of our vanity. Part of us desires to be seen, to be acknowledged, to be known - and yet, coming into the light reveals all of our flaws. It makes us vulnerable - the person whom we reveal ourselves to could use that information to hurt us, deeply. In the shadows we can hide, construct our personas and pretend to be invulnerable. However... are our flaws really all that bad?

Self-help gurus like to talk about 'negative self-talk'; about how we're far more brutal with ourselves than we our with others, how if we spoke to others the way we speak to ourselves we'd be social pariahs. I recently decided to practice radical honesty with those close to me, with the goal of avoiding Simulation - I've grown tired of people manufacturing a persona for me. In the process I noticed something interesting: nobody cares about your flaws. Heck, most of your friends already know what those flaws are, they're just too polite to mention them.

Perhaps the problem is that we were raised with so much divorce and treachery. So seldom do we see love done right, and so we don't take the risk. And certainly, when everyone else is a traitor, you're likely to be betrayed in the process. But I still choose to love - not for the rewards it brings, but because selflessly loving other people - making yourself vulnerable through the act - is the only way to reach another's true nature. It's the only path forward which embraces hope.

It can hurt like hell sometimes. But I wouldn't want to live the alternative.

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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
- The power of the mind (e.g. the effects of childhood and trauma)
- History
- How humans control other humans in societies
- Most other people do not think like me
- Life is ruthless and cruel
- What life could be on the Earth, what it once was, and what has been lost over time
- Impermanence and mortality
- Futility
- Inevitability
- That opportunities often do only come around once and you must take your chances
- My own weakness and vulnerability
- Things don't always get better
- That what matters is people and the difficulty of genuine connection
- The possibility of real personal (emotional) change and the experience of it
- There is no going back
- It will happen to me too
- The peace that can come from acceptance
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(03-02-2019 10:30 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Men think by rules.
Women think by exceptions.

If you trade peace of mind for contentment, you'll end up receiving neither.

How are you differentiating between peace of mind and contentment?

Civilize the mind but make savage the body.
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