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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(12-02-2015 12:30 PM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 12:09 PM)dreambig Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 10:51 AM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  The biggest red pill I ever had to swallow, and this sounds trivial now that I think of it, but was realizing that most, if not all, women are sexual.

That is not to say that some women do not hold reservations about sex, and are more particular about who they sleep with (see: non-sluts), but all women at their cores are just as horny, if not more horny, then men.

If this helps your game mindset then go for it, but I honestly don't think this is true at all. Women can go without sex for months with barely any consequences to their daily life. Men have far greater T levels which leads to a much higher sex drive.

The whole "women are just as..." stuff is just 2nd wave feminism in disguise. It has led to guys stressing over whether the girl is satisfied or not. Sure, women are sexual beings, but for the most part they are considerably less sexual than men.

For women, sex is mostly just a means of getting what they want from us. Why else would sex mysteriously decrease after an LTR is secured or baby born?

I agree with this in the most part. All one needs to do is look at how many women have sex. She ain't getting no orgasms from sucking on your dirty dick, bruising her knees, eating your disgusting semen, or deepthroating you to the point of nausea. None of that makes her horny or gives her any sexual pleasure in the slightest. From what I have seen in women, sex is nothing but a low-level replacement for affection. When a girl fucks just once, it is the oxytocin she is after more than the orgasm. Or self-validation. And when she fucks many times, sex is essentially nothing but an excuse to spend time with you.
I disagree, some women do thoroughly enjoy pleasing men in this way. I've engaged in this with many women enough to know this to be true; women do get horny sucking dick sometimes, and many women do enjoy swallowing sometimes. Not all, but some. That is my main take away point. It's easy to say "only the sluts," but I've fucked many "good girls" who are also into this as well. I disagree that it's a low-level replacement for affection, desire, and her working towards being desired is a huge turn on for most women, and if sucking your dick makes you desire her in an animalistic way, she'll do it if she perceives it this way.

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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(12-02-2015 01:22 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  I disagree, some women do thoroughly enjoy pleasing men in this way. I've engaged in this with many women enough to know this to be true; women do get horny sucking dick sometimes, and many women do enjoy swallowing sometimes. Not all, but some. That is my main take away point. It's easy to say "only the sluts," but I've fucked many "good girls" who are also into this as well. I disagree that it's a low-level replacement for affection, desire, and her working towards being desired is a huge turn on for most women, and if sucking your dick makes you desire her in an animalistic way, she'll do it if she perceives it this way.

Yes, I'm sure she gets horny from eating your man-goo.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(12-02-2015 01:31 PM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 01:22 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  I disagree, some women do thoroughly enjoy pleasing men in this way. I've engaged in this with many women enough to know this to be true; women do get horny sucking dick sometimes, and many women do enjoy swallowing sometimes. Not all, but some. That is my main take away point. It's easy to say "only the sluts," but I've fucked many "good girls" who are also into this as well. I disagree that it's a low-level replacement for affection, desire, and her working towards being desired is a huge turn on for most women, and if sucking your dick makes you desire her in an animalistic way, she'll do it if she perceives it this way.

Yes, I'm sure she gets horny from eating your man-goo.

In some cases, absolutely.

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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(12-01-2015 10:50 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  Something that happens to a lot of guys happened to me. I had a girlfriend who had pursued me because I was higher value. A few years later I had stopped spending time with friends, stopped going to the gym, stopped having my own hobbies, and stopped having my own life because she always wanted me to spend time with her. A lot of manosphere guys will say that girls destroy your value in this way. There is some truth to that but the best way to look at is that I let my value get destroyed - it was my fault.

So my value dropped, I became needy, she left, and predictably she tried to torture me as she was leaving. My theory on why girls do this is that they are angry at themselves for having been with a lower value guy and their hamster decides to take that anger out on the guy.

Women love to manipulate and torture weak men. I used to be angry but eventually I realized that I shouldn't be angry at reality. It's like being angry at a hungry dog because he won't stop begging for your food.

Of course that situation turned out to be one of the best things that ever happened to me.

There is something positive in everything. Frequently, the situations which seem overwhelmingly negative as they are occurring end up creating the most positive change in your life.

This sounds so familiar.
Women will always go for guys who are higher value but I believe they will either go one of 3 ways. (But 90% of the time they will pick number 3... the easy option)

1. Chick realizes you are going places and wants to come along for the ride. She supports you in your endeavors in anyway she can and is happy to bask in the fruits of your labor knowing she has an alpha guy.

2. Chick realizes you are going places and wants to be kicking ass along with you. A true alpha chick, a ride or die bitch who will always be in your corner and you both encourage each other to be better people.

3 . The "You dont spend enough time with me" bitch. They will slowly chip away at the things that made you attractive to her in the first place because she knows that if she found it attractive. So will other bitches. This bitch realizes that it would take effort for the first two options and is just plain fuckin lazy. Its easier to destroy you then it is to better herself as a person or start kicking ass along with you. Cos she knows regardless she comes away with cash and prizes and at least an easy ride for the time you were together.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
1. High school - realization that there's probably no such thing as a God (at least the way we think we understand it).

2. College - dated a seemingly Westernized Muslim girl who thought the 9/11 attacks were ok (among other things).

3. Post-College - realization of the concept of Cultural Marxism and that some "conspiracy theories" aren't that outlandish after all.
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I go out drinking with a buddy every once in a great while. I only visit once every year or so to catch up. He's OK in small doses, but still a terrible friend overall.

My buddy is the biggest not-gay drama whore I've ever seen. He dresses like a complete faggot, usually a walmart hat, piercings everywhere, meaningless tattoos, two wife beaters, gay wigger shoes and schwag. No man I know can or does seek attention more virulently than this guy does, he's just a constant pain in everybody's ass. Always loud, diarrhea of the mouth, yelling about dumb shit, slapping people, bursts into tears at almost no provocation, pretends he's obliterated on practically no alcohol. The second he isn't the center of attention he pulls a stunt. To top it all off he has two or three kids by different women, so he's constantly broke and everybody else has to buy him drinks. He's the most degenerate non-drug user I know.

Bitches fucking love it.

Every time I think that I have to try harder or actually impress women I hang out with this guy for a few hours and see him slay practically any and all pussy, which is thrown at him on a near constant basis. Day time, night time, it doesn't matter. This guy seems to violate all rules. I thought Roosh was kidding when he said that women in their prime prefer damaged men but now it's like an exception when they're with a good man.
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(12-03-2015 12:24 PM)Hades Wrote:  My buddy is the biggest not-gay drama whore I've ever seen.

Bitches fucking love it.

Every time I think that I have to try harder or actually impress women I hang out with this guy for a few hours and see him slay practically any and all pussy, which is thrown at him on a near constant basis. Day time, night time, it doesn't matter. This guy seems to violate all rules. I thought Roosh was kidding when he said that women in their prime prefer damaged men but now it's like an exception when they're with a good man.

Do you think, from the chick's point of view, this is like when a man finds a woman who likes him and seems completely compliant?

That maybe he is just an easy and uncomplicated fuck with plenty of drama thrown in, which women love?

Look at the benefits for her:

He is an easy lay.
He is an idiot, so she doesn't worry about being put in her place intellectually.
He is a worse person than she is so she knows she won't be judged.
He is a good story for her friends.
He is someone she can play off as a mistake, and get sympathy.
He is abusive, so she can punish herself, and never have to change her ways.

I could go on. Guys like this check a lot of boxes for woman in the cost benefit analysis department.

Women use them. They don't take them seriously as people.

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(12-03-2015 02:34 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Women use them. They don't take them seriously as people.

Women don't take any man seriously as a person.

The above is both a response to your comment and the most bitter red pill I've ever swallowed.

Two others stand out for me.

- I was 17, going on 18 when the global economy collapsed and it solidified a long held belief that playing by the rules is almost never the way to win. Children are held responsible for their results on a test - don't study and get a bad grade? Tough shit. Cheat on a test? You're fucked. Implode the world economy? Multi-million bonus.

- Seeing the number of ( young, often even attractive ) women willing to abandon the safety and comfort of Western Europe in order to be concubines for Islamic State combatants ( alongside many previous observations, willingness to keep going back to men who beat the shit out of them, willingness to date felons, crminals, addicts etc etc ) made me realize that while my former bluepill self couldn't even get a girl to hold my hand and that despite swallowing the red pill I would never inspire such devotion and love in women, simply by virtue of not being a ( genocidal ) psychopath.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Fucked one chick to find out her husband was a cop.
Fucked another chick to find out her husband was deployed.
Fucked another one to find out she was married and had a boyfriend. So she was cheating on both her husband and boyfriend with me (the boyfriend I later found out I worked with).

Red pill revealed: These hoes ain't loyal.
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(12-03-2015 03:17 PM)GameNovice Wrote:  Women don't take any man seriously as a person.

The above is both a response to your comment and the most bitter red pill I've ever swallowed.

- Seeing the number of ( young, often even attractive ) women willing to abandon the safety and comfort of Western Europe in order to be concubines for Islamic State combatants ( alongside many previous observations, willingness to keep going back to men who beat the shit out of them, willingness to date felons, crminals, addicts etc etc ) made me realize that while my former bluepill self couldn't even get a girl to hold my hand and that despite swallowing the red pill I would never inspire such devotion and love in women, simply by virtue of not being a ( genocidal ) psychopath.


Have you ever tried being the ultimate asshole for 24 hours? Why not give it a go?

I've always been a nice guy, not out of betaness or supplication but because i come from a culture where strangers are treated like friends & guests are treated like royalty.

Couple years ago i promised myself that for 48 hours, i would interact with people the opposite of how i normally would. In short, being a selfish asshole in every situation. Bar, club, grocery store, mall ... wherever and in every situation i went out of my way to be a dick. Not being openly abrasive and confrontational but coming from a mental frame of "me first and fuck you". Friday to Sunday morning. The way men and women alike defer to you is truly amazing. Got laid both Friday and Saturday nights too.

I suggest you try it and report back. If it works for you, (which I'm sure it will) you could start slowly incorporating some of the lessons into your daily life.
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(12-03-2015 04:28 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 03:17 PM)GameNovice Wrote:  Women don't take any man seriously as a person.

The above is both a response to your comment and the most bitter red pill I've ever swallowed.

- Seeing the number of ( young, often even attractive ) women willing to abandon the safety and comfort of Western Europe in order to be concubines for Islamic State combatants ( alongside many previous observations, willingness to keep going back to men who beat the shit out of them, willingness to date felons, crminals, addicts etc etc ) made me realize that while my former bluepill self couldn't even get a girl to hold my hand and that despite swallowing the red pill I would never inspire such devotion and love in women, simply by virtue of not being a ( genocidal ) psychopath.


Have you ever tried being the ultimate asshole for 24 hours? Why not give it a go?

I've always been a nice guy, not out of betaness or supplication but because i come from a culture where strangers are treated like friends & guests are treated like royalty.

Couple years ago i promised myself that for 48 hours, i would interact with people the opposite of how i normally would. In short, being a selfish asshole in every situation. Bar, club, grocery store, mall ... wherever and in every situation i went out of my way to be a dick. Not being openly abrasive and confrontational but coming from a mental frame of "me first and fuck you". Friday to Sunday morning. The way men and women alike defer to you is truly amazing. Got laid both Friday and Saturday nights too.

I suggest you try it and report back. If it works for you, (which I'm sure it will) you could start slowly incorporating some of the lessons into your daily life.

There is no much truth in this.

My own experience I had with an ex who I found out to have NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). I was already living with her at the time and a friend who is a psychologist suggested while I make a soft exit out the door and ensuring I get out of it relatively unscathed that I should try treating her like shit and see what happens as I had really nothing to lose.

He had a general interest in it as he specializes in cluster B disorders.

Well fuck me. I started making demands of her, saying I want dinner on the table at this time, I would just take off at random points in the night to go drinking with buddies and not tell her, disappear for a weekend, basically calling her a piece of shit when she got on my nerves.

The last month of the relationship was a roller coast of emotions for her, she was always kept on her toes and I had given clear guideline on how to keep me happy. Which resulted in being adequately laid and with her at times begging me to fuck her just because I was messing with her emotions, having her cook amazing meals and looking forward to preparing them for me and keeping the house spotless. In turn she also started upping her dress sense and was far more submissive in and out of the bed room.

It was a great experiment and I managed to get out of it much better than most guys who have had to deal with NPD chicks. But in the end it required me to act like a complete fuckin asshole in order to get what I truly wanted. I didn't want to have to operate on that level in order to get what I want.

Lesson learned. Crazy bitches love being treated like shit. All bitches love being treated like shit a little in order to know their place.

PS. NPD chicks arent worth it.
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It was a few years back, I was still a major league beta, but inadvertently displayed some alphaness to snag a cute German student for a while.
She had a whorish past, plenty of one night stands, threesomes(two guys each time), piercings (including clit), tattoos, hopped on several cocks in her teens and continued it into her early to mid twenties.
A cute girl, petite with a big curvy ass, tiny waist and a gorgeous little pair of admittedly saggy but still very nice tits.
Added to that she was an insanely good fuck, good BJ skills too and was happy to take it in every available orifice.
Not surprisingly, I fell hook line and sinker for this chick and despite having plenty of hand in the early stages, gave it right back to her and soon became a simpering beta dweeb, hooked on the sex, but I became insanely jealous of her past sexual experiences.
I'll never forget the horrifying sickness in the stomach of realising that my girl had already been copiously used before I arrived on the scene, had been cummed in, cummed on, had sucked, fucked and swallowed her way across half of Germany and back and taken a couple guys in the ass and pussy simultaenously on more than one occasion!
All by her mid twenties!
I can joke about it now but fuck me if that time didn't waken me up to some harsh realities, to some red-pill truths by the time she put me out of misery and called time on the sorry affair.

A few lessons I learned:
'Approaching is half the battle.' I got this girl because I noticed a funny slogan on her t-shirt, shouted out "Hey that's cool, you've got xxxx written on your t-shirt".
That was my opener, how simple is that?
Once we got chatting, it was easy from there, got her details, arranged to meet and soon afterwards we were getting down to business.
The fact that I was not from around and not German, may have helped, but first thing is you've got to approach.

'Don't always take girls at their word, instead look at their actions.' This girl said she'd never leave me, she wanted to build a future with me, a month before dumping me she wrote in a Christmas card "I'm so happy I met you, I'm looking forward to our future together!".
Meanwhile her actions were giving me a completely different impression, that she was having serious doubts, due to how I was becoming increasingly more insecure and sickened by her whorish past.

'Preselection is king.' At the time I was tapping this sweet thing, I was also in an LTR which had been going downhill for some time but was still alive.
My German girl knew about this and my LTR was blonde and quite good-looking. I didn't know it at the time, but this gave me some serious hand in those first few months, when she was trying to get me to end the LTR and make her my girlfriend instead.
Foolishly, I eventually did just that, and almost as soon as I dropped my LTR for her, she knew she had me by the balls.
I had no safety net now and slowly the Kraut began to suck the life out of me, manipulating me, making demands, the sex became less frequent and less exciting(when before she was ready to hop on my cock 24/7) and finally she dumped my pathetic ass on the sidewalk.

As an addendum to my previous point, as Heartiste says, 'always keep two in the kitty' and 'make your mission your priority, not your woman'
When this wench dumped me, I was utterly heartbroken, I had ditched my LTR for her, and there was no going back, I had gone from hero to zero in a matter of months.
My confidence was at an all time low, I felt suicidal, I suffered a breakdown of sorts, went through depression, the worst period of my life.
I thought I would never experience such highs again, never meet another girl in the same class as her.
I had extreme oneitis. Thankfully I managed to drag my ass out of the gutter with the help of a buddy of mine, who brought me out on the town again.
It didn't happen immediately but after a while I began closing chicks, making out sometimes and the occasional lay.
It wasn't perfect but I was on the road again and gradually, bit by bit, I got over that girl, and came out the other side.
A really really fucking hard journey, but it taught me the above red-pill lessons and for that I am thankful.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
(12-03-2015 02:34 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 12:24 PM)Hades Wrote:  -brevity-
Look at the benefits for her:

He is an easy lay.
He is an idiot, so she doesn't worry about being put in her place intellectually.
He is a worse person than she is so she knows she won't be judged.
He is a good story for her friends.
He is someone she can play off as a mistake, and get sympathy.
He is abusive, so she can punish herself, and never have to change her ways.

That would be true if the women he interacted with could read minds. These are the ones he has never met before. If you have a buddy who women are drawn to like flies on shit you'll know what I'm talking about. The guy emanates a pussy slaying force field. I just painted that picture out of what I know to give a description for what you guys could expect, supposing anybody on the RVF meets him someday.

Women seem to like him because he's a peacocking attention whore. He also is an unstable narcissist and enjoys being a parasite and manipulating people. Next time we're out drinking I'll talk to one after the fact and ask her opinion, even though it's going to be dumb as shit.
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One morsel of a red pill lesson I've learned:

When women cheat, they do not feel any remorse... only when they get caught.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Neither do I?
Neither to most players.
If fact.. I don't feel remorse.. I just play it up cause I got caught.

Same thing women do.
Next.

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(12-03-2015 11:37 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Neither do I?
Neither to most players.
If fact.. I don't feel remorse.. I just play it up cause I got caught.

Same thing women do.
Next.

Or just have a soft harem and you dont have to be caught?
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Some gems from my life over the years…too many to list.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Women are like Gizmo in the movie Gremlins.

At first they are innocent, cuddly, and don't mind being caged up, but if you feed them after midnight they turn into monsters.
12-04-2015 10:25 AM
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
After reading poutsara's post, I think I have not fully swallowed the red pill. eek

If only you knew how bad things really are.
12-04-2015 11:07 AM
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
Of course they aren't loyal but why should it matter? Loyalty is pretty old-fashioned concept.

You can be fucking a slut, and even if she is boffing other dudes you are in the driver's seat. She knows you are banging other girls and deep down she likely cares more about this than the reverse. Any guy that she bangs will be lower value than you anyway. Female hypergamy helps you in this regard. Women are not like men. If they are fucking one top guy, Mr Second Best tastes like stale cheese.
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
-How easily women cheat.

First time I experienced this I was 18 at a house party my boy was throwing. He introduced me to his girl and his girls' sexy bubblebutt female friend. He mentioned to me that she had a boyfriend he knew as well. The whole time we were at the party the girl was giving huge IoI's so I stepped up my flirtation.

After about an hour my boy and most of the people at the party went up the street to smoke or do some other dumb shit for a few minutes. I stayed behind and the girl did as well. Immediately after they leave we head to the kitchen and she drops to her knees to suck me off. Then I bang her, fully aware that the group could come back any minute but we finish before they do.

At the next house party her BF shows up and the dude is oblivious to anything that went down as I see them making out, my mind is blown. This was definitely not the last time a girl had sex with me while she was dating someone else. I just assume that they all have someone else in the picture now and strap up accordingly.

-That feminine submissive women exist in the US.
They are just foreign born.

In my early 20s having my own place and dating multiple child-less attractive foreign women that would come to my house, cook, clean and give massages, etc WITHOUT even being asked was eye-opening. Sure I had heard foreign women were better but I didn't know any one dating one. It wasn't real until I experienced it, then I knew.

After that I can't take any western women seriously. I then understood why there was such a strong media/societal backlash against men with foreign women.They know they can't compete on any level. Girls that think its cute that they can't cook or want to discuss an imaginary gender wage gap. Ain't nobody got time for that.

-Gender ratios.

I never gave a thought to gender ratios before finding Rooshv, I just wrongly assumed m/f ratios were generally the same across cities and countries. After going out more and traveling I began to wonder why are so many nightlife establishments giving so many incentives to women? Free bottles, no cover, etc
(A sound business practice I might add)

Why are women in Moscow more desperate to find a man than in Los Angeles? Why do women in Colombia take care of themselves better than the average American woman? Why is it easier to get laid in a small US college town than in a place like San Diego that has 5+ military (surplus of horny young men) bases in the area? Why is the thirst so real for some? A surplus of anything causes it to lose value, whether we are talking about Oil, or young, (relatively) high earning, decent looking males, which the West has a surplus of.

Obviously in the examples I gave culture and economy is a big factor, along with several other variables but it's difficult to deny the impact m/f ratios and fertility rate (for countries) can have on ones immediate dating environment.
12-06-2015 07:21 PM
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
12-06-2015 07:47 PM
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RE: Biggest red pill you ever had to swallow?
agreed
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