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(02-13-2016 05:15 AM)redpillage Wrote:  
(02-12-2016 08:39 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  Just saw it, fantastic movie. Really enjoyed watching it.
Impossible not to get annoyed by the female protagonist and her behaviour after the first scene, glad that they were keeping it real and the movie turned out the way it did.
Otherwise, great cinematography and impressive performance by Benicio del Toro.

Every movie that she's in I wish someone would just flip her over and ride her skinny ass hard to show her what's what. Remember her in Edge Of Tomorrow? She was literally unbearable and Tom's charm and wit fortunately carried the movie. Sicario came pretty close and my favorite scene is when she gets put on her ass by Benicio - probably too much of a reality check for any feministas watching it.

Funny you brought this up. I was just thinking about Edge Of Tomorrow earlier today. I came to the conclusion that yes she had an delusional role in the movie but it was only because the movie needed eye candy. The main point of Edge Of Tomorrow is great though, if you fail keep going until you succeed, so that made up for it for me.
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I've given up on Hollywood, but finally a REAL movie Big Grin

I'm downloading the movie now where i have my spew bucket ready for the first 30 minutes from what I've read above!

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By the way, there is indeed a "flaw" in the movie, a (very small) part of the scenario that I cannot believe in.

It is when Del Toro, the "Medellin-cartel" killer, enters the estate of his other-cartel enemy, to exact revenge.

He enters it, hidden in the shadows a few meters behind a car whose driver he just overpowered and "hijacked" a few minutes earlier.

I closely followed and analysed, out of curiosity, the sequence of events of Del Toro going for the kill, inside Mexico. It is believable (considering that his character is a top-level assassin), very well-done, except this estate-entering sequence.

Because, bear with me:

Del Toro has to get out of the car to let the hostage-driver drive up to the gate and guards. Major problem in his strategy then! Insuperable I would say.

So, even if he probably told the driver that he had his gun trained on the back of his head, well, the driver turns at the gate, for a few seconds he is outside of Del Toro's line of shooting, so: there is no way in Hell the driver would not at this very moment accelerate his car and crash the gate or try any other escape-action (ramming backward his car into Del Toro?). Because, hey, he just saw Del Toro murder people, so he knows he is next... so, when he is out of Del Toro's gun-sights for a few seconds, he would have accelerated and try something.

So... Flaw in the scenario, I think. I am curious to know if anyone with ground experience noted that and agrees with me?... No way the driving hostage-driver would not have taken advantage of the 5 seconds time when Del Toro (behind, on foot, in the shadows) has no clear shot at him. No way, considering the driver is Latin-American and knows what is coming to him, if he doesn't act right now.
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Notice that del Toro tells the driver to slow down right before that scene, it's so he can get out of the car. Also notice that he cut the guy's throat, so he's probably under shock. The whole move overall takes just a few seconds.

But what was indeed hard to believe was that the cartel leader's estate was not guarded more heavily.
Then again, it's not a documentary. My suspension of disbelief was not affected, only thought about it afterwards.
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(02-14-2016 10:19 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  ^
Notice that del Toro tells the driver to slow down right before that scene, it's so he can get out of the car. Also notice that he cut the guy's throat, so he's probably under shock. The whole move overall takes just a few seconds.

he cut the guy's throat, well, it's just a small (mere warning) cut, if I remember well.

There is no way, once Del Toro steps out of the car, for Del Toro to know how the driver will react in the next few seconds.

But I might say that I can quite safely predict, for unimportant reasons known to me, the normal reaction for a Latin American man, even "under shock", in that kind of situation, and it would be:

to step on the gas pedal like crazy, in the few "free", "reprieve" seconds that he gets once Del Toro steps out of his car.
So, it was, for me, a shocking weakness in the scenario.

Also, I am surprised at the lack of dogs (and CCTVs come to think of it, inside the dining room or on the terrace) on the ground of the cartel-leader estate, at night. Big estate like that, at night, with no "sniffing" dog? I mean, good luck sneaking inside with dogs on the premise (Or is it that I forgot a quick scene where Del Toro would have shot dogs? without the dogs barking?)
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You guys are forgetting that the drive of that car doesn't want his daughters to "be violated by 40 men" which is why he cooperated the whole time.
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This movie looks good, just from seeing the trailer.

And WIA recommended it...so I'll check it out...

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(02-14-2016 06:22 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  You guys are forgetting that the driver of that car doesn't want his daughters to "be violated by 40 men" which is why he cooperated the whole time.

If so, best way for him to guarantee the survival of his "daughters", would be to stay alive. Or even better, to rear-drive his powerful car into Del Toro (conveniently standing 5 meters behind said car - granted a bit to the left).

Also, Del Toro spends like 2 minutes seated at the dining table with his back turned on the way he has just come from... Any surviving guard, or even, heck, the cook, coming silently behind him, could harm him.

Unless he knows exactly how many (surviving) people are in this estate, and where each of them is situated at that moment?
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You are really overthinking this. Biggrin

But alright.
How would he guarantee the survival of his daughters by staying alive?
All the US agencies involved know where they are, the house is under surveillance.

He does know exactly how many people there are on the estate.
Right after he shot the guards and before he enters, we get a drone perspective and the operator telling him that "six remain". The estate was under drone surveillance for already quite a while. The drug lord, his two sons, the wife, the guard and the maid. Makes six. The guard is dead, the maid is not a threat.
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(02-15-2016 04:48 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  ^

You are really overthinking this. Biggrin

But alright.
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He does know exactly how many people there are on the estate.
Right after he shot the guards and before he enters, we get a drone perspective and the operator telling him that "six remain". The estate was under drone surveillance for already quite a while. The drug lord, his two sons, the wife, the guard and the maid. Makes six. The guard is dead, the maid is not a threat.

But if there are remaining guards in some (underground or not) room on the estate, or standing in front of a glass panel or opening the fridge door, can the drone spot them, or their "heat signature", through non-thin walls and glass panels and competing heat sources? No way.

So, "six remain" has to be understood as, six remain in the open!

So... is it why Del Toro seats quietly with his gun kinda hidden, not raised at the table? Acting like another guest, with very slow movements... So as not to look immediately suspicious if some guard emerges from a side-room? To look, for 2 seconds, like a non-threatening seated guest?:

Mindblown
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Dude, it's a movie.

I guess it would be difficult to look non-threatening with all the corpses under the table.
The cartel leader was dining outside in the garden, on the drone picture it is at the northeastern edge of the estate, with a solid parameter of cold darkness around it, so if any heat signatures pop up around it, del Toro would immediately know.
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At the end when she had her gun pointed at him, I was thinking there is no way she will not pull the trigger cause it's political correct!! Totally blow my mind!!

Great movie!! No wonder the feminazis are PMSing!

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Watched this at the movies the first weekend it came out. Highly recommended masculine film.

The ending Dinner scene in "Sicario" is one of the most tense and suspenseful scenes in cinema history. Unfiltered Savagery and my heart was pounding the whole time. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

I've not watched such an edge on your seat, emotionally strained cinematic display since the opening "Jew Hunter" scene in "Inglorious Bastards".
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Sicario is a brutal film man, I love it. It´s worth watching, just because of the Highway Ambush scene alone.





It´s a very gritty film and sometimes, it feels almost like a horror movie, probably because of the score and the tension.
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(02-15-2016 05:37 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  The cartel leader was dining outside in the garden, on the drone picture it is at the northeastern edge of the estate, with a solid parameter of cold darkness around it, so if any heat signatures pop up around it, del Toro would immediately know.

Quite ok with the drone stuff. Now, how can Del Toro know there is no CCTVs feeding what's going on inside the house or on the terrace to some watching guards? And again, why has the Mexican cartel leader no dog on his vast gardens, at night?? Improbable.

Now for freeuser:

I also like the ambush scene, but... Why would the Mexican tattooed muggers, having seen that they are vastly outnumbered and surrounded, draw weapons on, like, half a dozen of heavily armed American soldiers training assault weapons on them? They are trapped in their red Impala car and surrounded. No way they will draw weapons.

Also, strange that they would creep to the Americans' car with all windows lowered, so that their 4 ugly gangster tattoed faces are on display...
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I think you might be over thinking this stuff. Those tattoo guys follow orders. If not then they're executed. These aren't the smartest people around. If those face tattooed gang bangers returned alive to their boss with an unsuccessful mission, chances are they would be executed anyways by their boss, maybe their families also.

Also in regards to staying alive, there are real videos on the internet of cartel members being executed and them being interrogated right before. Most if not all of them reveal all the information and cooperate before being executed because they'll be killed anyways so if they cooperate, maybe family might be spared or a quick death will be granted.

This movie is about gang life, living and dying by the gun.
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(02-15-2016 09:25 AM)Going strong Wrote:  
(02-15-2016 05:37 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  The cartel leader was dining outside in the garden, on the drone picture it is at the northeastern edge of the estate, with a solid parameter of cold darkness around it, so if any heat signatures pop up around it, del Toro would immediately know.

Quite ok with the drone stuff. Now, how can Del Toro know there is no CCTVs feeding what's going on inside the house or on the terrace to some watching guards? And again, why has the Mexican cartel leader no dog on his vast gardens, at night?? Improbable.

Now for freeuser:

I also like the ambush scene, but... Why would the Mexican tattooed muggers, having seen that they are vastly outnumbered and surrounded, draw weapons on, like, half a dozen of heavily armed American soldiers training assault weapons on them? They are trapped in their red Impala car and surrounded. No way they will draw weapons.

Also, strange that they would creep to the Americans' car with all windows lowered, so that their 4 ugly gangster tattoed faces are on display...

I agree with CaptainChardonnay points. They are gangbangers, they know what´s coming to them. They are either going to be killed by the Delta guys, if they fail their boss would kill them all or the last option is ending up in a mexican prison which might be even worse.
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(02-15-2016 07:06 AM)freeuser Wrote:  Sicario is a brutal film man, I love it. It´s worth watching, just because of the Highway Ambush scene alone.




This scene gave me chills because it was such a delicate operation by the Delta guys. Superbly done. And it also brilliantly shows that women have no place whatsoever in tense combat situations.
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Yeah, this movie was good, but the presence of the white bitch character made long stretches of it annoying. Sure, it may have made fun of the "badass babe" archetype by the end, but it did so at the price of making otherwise enjoyable parts of the movie grating. You'd have cool tactical scenes but then at the end the mood would be ruined by Ms. By the Books throwing annoying as fuck hissy fits.

Still, a great movie overall and would recommend.
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Seeing as this thread inspired me to watch the film, and the film inspired me to write a 2000 word post, I'll just leave this here.

TLDR; the amoral security apparatus at the core of this film is what the future's going to look like.

Spoiler quote:

Quote:Medellin refers to a time when one group controls every aspect of the drug trade, providing a measure of order that we can control. And until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that shit, order's the best we can hope for.
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Love the movie, Blunt character was put there mostly ask the questions the audience have, she is there just to get exposition, so the audience know what is happening.

That highway scene was awesome, something I liked was the military really act like the military, most movies the military or police act like complete idiots that don't know what is happening around them, or how to tactically do stuff, like shooting, here you see how shit really goes down, even without using tons of explosions and big long bullet fight, the scene plays more interesting, there are small details that really stuck out, like Medellin and the guy with glasses communicating with each other and lowering the windows, or how Medellin go inside the SUV in the truck.

That small thing make a good, movie, rather than having a 140 pounds skinny girl beat 4 trained guys without messing her hair.

By the way, that scene when she gets pinned to the ground and told to stay down was epic, I do not remember seeing a movie with a scene like that before, specially in recent years.

Would watch movie with only the military guys.
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Aren't they looking at a sequel focused around Del Toro's character?

EDIT: Answered my own question

Quote:Lionsgate is developing a sequel to “Sicario” that will center on Benicio Del Toro’s mysterious hitman.

The project is being overseen by Taylor Sheridan, the writer of the acclaimed thriller. Director Denis Villeneuve is also involved, although it’s early in the process and it’s not clear if he would come on board to direct. Black Label Media, which backed “Sicario,” is co-financing the development of a follow-up.

“Before the release of this movie, I was talking to Denis and I said what happened to this character?” said Patrick Wachsberger, co-chair of the studio’s motion picture group. “Where is Benicio going?”
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I really liked it. Very well done, great production values, nonstop suspense, and, finally, a movie where people act like they do in real life.

Like all great stories, it's a journey of discovery, a exploration of the dark inner heart of things lying underneath the surface of contemporary headlines.

I'm not surprised that this fantastic film didn't get the press it deserved. It contradicted some of the holy tenets of the PC canon. And for that, the mainstream desired to bury it with silence.

If there is any radical feminist criticism of this film, it can easily be dismissed.

When feminists say that the lead character's "story" was "undermined by repeated victimization and abuse," what they really mean is this: "I'm upset that I'm not seeing a girl-power Charlie's Angels/Lara Croft/Mad Max fantasy piece where an invincible woman runs around and conquers the world."

This is a film for adults, not immature children. And the critics belong in the latter category.

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Fantastic movie that doesn't even try to push the retarded "girl power" trash at all. It's realistic and shows exactly why women should be at home cooking meals as opposed to in the military. They simply weren't built for it! They're nurturers.

You all have an obligation to see this simply because it pissed off the feminist psychos

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Now that I think about it, the scene when she gets pinned to the ground has a better meaning, she gets pinned to the ground after disobeying order, and not a single one of the guy white knight for her, remember, every single movie now days require a white knight for every female in troubles, the fact the guys just stand there without doing nothing is very appealing, even her SWAT partner did not white knight for her.
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