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(01-18-2016 11:06 PM)joecolombia Wrote:  That actually sounds pretty good. Enough to improve and get better benchmarks, but not so much to "commit" into a bigger thing. That`s my drill.

I will look into it before I take a final decision but the way you are showing it to me looks like the best bet for a non steroids user, since the thing that worries me the most is the libido problems, hypergonadism and all of the side effects related to roids.

Ostarine looks like the perfect grey area between the two.

Will look foward into avaliability and pricing around my area!

That's my take on it regarding the perfect middle ground, though as always I encourage doing more research on your own--the information is just my opinion, YMMV, etc.

If you end up trying it, let me know how it works out for you!
01-19-2016 09:45 AM
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I'm currently in my 7th week of an 8 week cycle LGD-4033. I've packed on 11lbs and my performance keeps increasing steadily. Each week I set new PR's.

I do notice some change in my libido though, but as far as I've read this is only suppression instead of actually shutting down T production. Users have reported their T levels to be normal again within 2 weeks after they stop their cycle.

LGD is, as far as I know, the strongest SARM you can get and I must say the results are amazing! There are some sides due to the T suppression, but nothing too bad in my experience.

I'll be running a second cycle after an interval of month or two. The one thing I'm going to change is lower the dosage and keep the dosage steady throughout the cycle. I've been upping the dosage periodically during this cycle and I stopped noticing a significant change in positive effects after my latest increase.
01-20-2016 02:34 PM
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Update so far:

Yesterday I did some research and decided to try something before ostarine or any other type of SARM`s, since I`ve been basically a raw lifter, and only began drinking and getting supplements this year. I am probably escalating too quickly expecting results that not even roids would give me...

The thing is i want to qualify into a competition that starts 3 months from now, so trying my best to find the better way.

I decided to go for a natural test booster, usually used for after cycle of trt or something around those lines. Went to the better reviewed one, Animal stak.

Read some reviews and apparently it would give me around 4 to 5 pounds if used correctly. The cycle lasts 21 days and it has little to no side effects. I think it is a good way to start.

Since tomorrow is a rest day and sunday as well, i think i will start on monday, and will keep you updated on my process.

If you are not sure what to do, and are afraid to take a big leap, begin with this. Animal products are accesible and really good i think.

really pumped to see some gainz
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01-20-2016 09:33 PM
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People say Natural Test Boosters don't work, and I think for the majority of folks they don't, but I have a buddy who saw serious gains while on it. Personally, I took it, and didn't see crap. So, I think it depends on the person. I will tell you, to stay away from a lot of these supplements, they are shit for the most part. I've taken a crap load of protein, BCAA's, etc, and saw no difference when using those, and when using nothing at all. EC stack will probably be your best for cutting fat, it's safe, and legit. Steroids are probably the only legit supplement that is guaranteed to build you muscle, and cut you up at the same time.
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01-20-2016 09:40 PM
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(01-20-2016 09:40 PM)YoungAngel1 Wrote:  People say Natural Test Boosters don't work, and I think for the majority of folks they don't, but I have a buddy who saw serious gains while on it. Personally, I took it, and didn't see crap. So, I think it depends on the person. I will tell you, to stay away from a lot of these supplements, they are shit for the most part. I've taken a crap load of protein, BCAA's, etc, and saw no difference when using those, and when using nothing at all. EC stack will probably be your best for cutting fat, it's safe, and legit. Steroids are probably the only legit supplement that is guaranteed to build you muscle, and cut you up at the same time.

I`ve actually gotten a bit of an edge with BCAA`s, creatine and protein shakes, but that is probably because my body was not used to so much shit.

on the other side, i can understand you since they don`t give you a boost per se, only increase the avaliable aminoacids for your hipertrofied muscles. Plus, they act a lot different on different bodies.

I read a lot of oposing thoughts with test boosters, but you never know until you`ve tried them... The real deal is finding the right supplement for your body.

Roids are just plain good for all bodies.
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(01-20-2016 09:33 PM)joecolombia Wrote:  Read some reviews and apparently it would give me around 4 to 5 pounds if used correctly. The cycle lasts 21 days and it has little to no side effects. I think it is a good way to start.

Its either water weight or the test booster is spiked.
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01-21-2016 12:28 AM
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(01-20-2016 02:34 PM)MrFish Wrote:  I'm currently in my 7th week of an 8 week cycle LGD-4033. I've packed on 11lbs and my performance keeps increasing steadily. Each week I set new PR's.

I do notice some change in my libido though, but as far as I've read this is only suppression instead of actually shutting down T production. Users have reported their T levels to be normal again within 2 weeks after they stop their cycle.

LGD is, as far as I know, the strongest SARM you can get and I must say the results are amazing! There are some sides due to the T suppression, but nothing too bad in my experience.

I'll be running a second cycle after an interval of month or two. The one thing I'm going to change is lower the dosage and keep the dosage steady throughout the cycle. I've been upping the dosage periodically during this cycle and I stopped noticing a significant change in positive effects after my latest increase.

When picking a SARM I considered LGD-4033, as it was consistently reported as getting better LBM gains than the other SARMs.

The main thing that stopped me is the greater side effects--many ostarine users were able to take it without needing anything on-cycle or afterwards, while the LGD seemed to call for a PCT run afterwards. Some users suggested having cycle support, and at that point I'd be tempted to go for the gold and use steroids instead.

Have you noticed any sides besides the lower libido? Are you planning on PCT when you're done?

(01-20-2016 09:33 PM)joecolombia Wrote:  Update so far:

Yesterday I did some research and decided to try something before ostarine or any other type of SARM`s, since I`ve been basically a raw lifter, and only began drinking and getting supplements this year. I am probably escalating too quickly expecting results that not even roids would give me...

The thing is i want to qualify into a competition that starts 3 months from now, so trying my best to find the better way.

I decided to go for a natural test booster, usually used for after cycle of trt or something around those lines. Went to the better reviewed one, Animal stak.

Read some reviews and apparently it would give me around 4 to 5 pounds if used correctly. The cycle lasts 21 days and it has little to no side effects. I think it is a good way to start.

Since tomorrow is a rest day and sunday as well, i think i will start on monday, and will keep you updated on my process.

If you are not sure what to do, and are afraid to take a big leap, begin with this. Animal products are accesible and really good i think.

really pumped to see some gainz

You gotta do what you're comfortable with, let us know if you get benefits from that.

When I checked into natural T boosters, I did find some users posting their bloodwork showing some improvement. I remember an hcgenerate user showing about a 110 ng/dl gain from roughly 400 to low 500's ng/dl, though I've also read of much more modest or non-existent improvements.

If your T levels are deficient (ie below 400 ng/dl), getting them into range will have benefits. If you're already in range, going higher up the scale won't make much of a difference, unless you're going to supraphysical levels with 'roids.
01-21-2016 09:49 AM
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(01-21-2016 09:49 AM)CPG Wrote:  When picking a SARM I considered LGD-4033, as it was consistently reported as getting better LBM gains than the other SARMs.

The main thing that stopped me is the greater side effects--many ostarine users were able to take it without needing anything on-cycle or afterwards, while the LGD seemed to call for a PCT run afterwards. Some users suggested having cycle support, and at that point I'd be tempted to go for the gold and use steroids instead.

Have you noticed any sides besides the lower libido? Are you planning on PCT when you're done?

As far as I've read LGD's side effects, if you've got the pure stuff, are all typical to T production suppression. So lower libido is one of the sides one might experience.

I haven't experienced any other sides and as far as I know there shouldn't be any.

I'm not going to run a PCT cycle as I've read reports that state T production should be at normal levels within 2 weeks naturally. Also, running PCT comes with it's own possible sides which I'd like to avoid.
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Where are you guys getting your SARMs from? This might better suit my needs. I know taking test by needle injection is probably the most proven gamble, but the sides that can come to it seem pretty scary.
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(01-21-2016 02:35 PM)YoungAngel1 Wrote:  Where are you guys getting your SARMs from? This might better suit my needs. I know taking test by needle injection is probably the most proven gamble, but the sides that can come to it seem pretty scary.

In the US SARMs are legal so you can just order them online (to buy anyway, they're considered performance enhancing and are banned from competition by the World Anti-Doping Agency).

There are a number of supplement companies selling various mixes of ostarine, I went with GLL Chris's mix from his company--you can find a link in my first post in this thread [I have no affiliation]. I heard of a couple different formulas, like one company whose pills combine ostarine with an anti-estrogen, though that seems pointless to me.

I think it's the same for LGD-4033, however, I didn't research purchase options for that one.
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(01-21-2016 02:35 PM)YoungAngel1 Wrote:  Where are you guys getting your SARMs from? This might better suit my needs. I know taking test by needle injection is probably the most proven gamble, but the sides that can come to it seem pretty scary.

Exactly why I went the SARM route.

I've read good things about http://www.sarms1.com/. If I were in the US I would have ordered from them. But I can't vouch for them, as I have ordered my stuff elsewhere.

I ordered from a UK seller which received positive reviews: http://receptorchem.co.uk/. Their stuff is legit and they deliver promptly.
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How low is your libido getting? Are you supplementing it with anything?
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I've ordered ostarine from Southern Sarms (http://www.southernsarms.com/ ). No problems. Can't say I noticed too much of an effect from ostarine, and this is dosing at 25 mg/day for 1 month. Interested in this LGD-4033. Since I'm on TRT, I don't PCT matters for me (but please correct me if I'm wrong).
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(01-20-2016 02:34 PM)MrFish Wrote:  I'm currently in my 7th week of an 8 week cycle LGD-4033. I've packed on 11lbs and my performance keeps increasing steadily. Each week I set new PR's.

What are your dosages? What's the bro "accepted dose" ?
01-21-2016 03:41 PM
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(01-21-2016 03:34 PM)YoungAngel1 Wrote:  How low is your libido getting? Are you supplementing it with anything?

It's not gone or anything, but I do notice it being lower. Normally I have a pretty high libido and can get horny for no particular reason. That hasn't happened for the last couple of weeks.
My supplements consist of natural T boosters like zinc and vitamin D3.

(01-21-2016 03:41 PM)Menace Wrote:  What are your dosages? What's the bro "accepted dose" ?

I started off with 5mg/d for two weeks. Then upped to 8mg/d for another two weeks. Now I'm at 10mg/d. The commonly accepted dosage is anywhere between 5mg and 15mg daily.

I started noticing the sides after switching to 10mg/d. It could be related to the dosage but it could also be because I was already multiple weeks into my cycle at that point, can't tell for sure.
What I do feel is that there wasn't much of a difference in regards to performance between 8mg and 10mg. I actually felt best on 8 and would advise that dosage. My next cycle will be 8 weeks of 8mg/d.

I was actually in the process of writing a post about my diet, supplement intake, workout regime and PED usage. I'll finish that up and put a link to it here once it's done.
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