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RE: Australian women: worst attitudes in the world
(01-20-2016 06:24 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 05:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  AB, what is the circumference of your neck?

51 cm (20 5/64 inches).

I'm at the stage that I'm getting dress shirts made from scratch. What you see there is an off-the-rack emergency.

I'm big, but I've seen much bigger guys than me at my gym.

Millennials are just really small men. I was behind some army guys at the shops last night, and, fit as they were, they were much narrower in stature than both me and every woman in the vicinity.

I'm really noticing this with the younger cops now. None of them are physically-imposing or threatening at all, assuming they're not an obese dyke. It's no wonder my town's police force is losing control.

How big are you? height , weight and BF?

I notice people in Australia and the US are too obsessed with low body fat even when they dont have enough muscle.

I myself have high body fat (around 20%) however I hold a very high amount of muscle (I'm literally wider than taller) that is looks very different than someone being 20% of bf and with little muscle.
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RE: Australian women: worst attitudes in the world
(01-20-2016 07:19 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 06:24 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 05:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  AB, what is the circumference of your neck?

51 cm (20 5/64 inches).

I'm at the stage that I'm getting dress shirts made from scratch. What you see there is an off-the-rack emergency.

I'm big, but I've seen much bigger guys than me at my gym.

Millennials are just really small men. I was behind some army guys at the shops last night, and, fit as they were, they were much narrower in stature than both me and every woman in the vicinity.

I'm really noticing this with the younger cops now. None of them are physically-imposing or threatening at all, assuming they're not an obese dyke. It's no wonder my town's police force is losing control.

How big are you? height , weight and BF?

I notice people in Australia and the US are too obsessed with low body fat even when they dont have enough muscle.

I myself have high body fat (around 20%) however I hold a very high amount of muscle (I'm literally wider than taller) that is looks very different than someone being 20% of bf and with little muscle.

So you're a human chode?
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(01-20-2016 06:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  
Quote:51 cm (20 5/64 inches).

Laugh C'mon dude that's ridiculously huge...most off-the-rack dress shirts in the better stores only go up to what, 18 inches or so, I think, which would be considered big. You're in custom tailoring territory for sure.

Yeah, I'm very big compared to a Millennial, but that wasn't my point.

I'm not big compared to my Grandfather's Generation, when you could have bought shirts in those sizes easily enough. Old school rugby players and tradesmen and truck drives could tend towards being a lot broader and thicker-necked than I am. Millennials are supposedly taller on average than that generation, but they're much, much narrower. It's like they retain the frame of teenage boys.

Globalisation has turned manufacturing to crap. Now off the rack socks for men only come in two sizes: 6-10 and 10 up.

When I was a kid shoes not only came in length sizes, but specific widths within those sizes. They'd measure both length of your feet and width, and your shoes would fit comfortably.

Everywhere, manufacturing has been outsourced and quality has been drastically cut.

(01-20-2016 06:47 PM)Canopus Wrote:  Speaking as a Millennial - I don't care if it's just three sentences long, the day AnonymousBosch puts his workout between two covers and I hear it's up for preorder:

I'm doing nothing unusual: you're just seeing the results of 25 years of continual work. I'm the only non-morbidly-obese member of my extended family. Diet is probably the other big factor: I don't buy anything pre-packaged, cook all my meals from scratch and don't eat takeaway or junk food.
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Maybe Aussies are bigger, but during WW2, this was the size of a typical GI:

Quote:Data compiled for millions of inductees shows the following to be the actual measurements of the "average" newcomer to the Army as he appears at the clothing counter of a reception center: 5' 8" tall; 144 pounds in weight; 33 ¼" chest measurement; 31" waist measurement. From the tariff tables showing the frequency of size issues it is found that the sizes most frequently issued are a 7 to 7½ hat, number 9 gloves, a 15 shirt with a 33" sleeve, a 36 regular jacket, a pair of trousers with a 32" waist and a 32" leg length, size 11 socks, and size 9-D shoes. These figures may be taken to indicate the size of the average American young man.

http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/WWII/tailor.htm

Now granted, these guys grew up during the Great Depression.

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(01-20-2016 09:03 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Yeah, I'm very big compared to a Millennial, but that wasn't my point.

I'm not big compared to my Grandfather's Generation, when you could have bought shirts in those sizes easily enough. Old school rugby players and tradesmen and truck drives could tend towards being a lot broader and thicker-necked than I am. Millennials are supposedly taller on average than that generation, but they're much, much narrower. It's like they retain the frame of teenage boys.

Globalisation has turned manufacturing to crap. Now off the rack socks for men only come in two sizes: 6-10 and 10 up.

When I was a kid shoes not only came in length sizes, but specific widths within those sizes. They'd measure both length of your feet and width, and your shoes would fit comfortably.

Everywhere, manufacturing has been outsourced and quality has been drastically cut.

It's true, if you start looking at black and white photos of Australian men in the past, the solid, bull-necked body type is not uncommon. I myself am tall and very lean, dudes that look like me in old photos are not uncommon either. What was uncommon is anyone overweight or obese.

If you were to take the average men's work shirt of today as an example, for the cuffs to reach my wrists I need an XL, the neck doesn't fit badly yet at the bottom it billows out like a circus tent. I could fit at least 3 of my waist in there. Same with belts, I wrote in another thread a few months ago that when I bought a new belt I had to buy a "Small" and then punch another hole past the smallest hole for it to fit, so a man who has what used to be considered an "average" waist (32") now theoretically needs a child's belt.

The way I see it is that these days, the majority of men who would have been solid in the past are now fat and the men who would have been lean are now skinny-fat.

I don't know where hipsters come from and I don't know where they get their clothes, but even if they fit me properly I'm not wearing them.

On the topic of shoe sizes, I always that's what half sizes were i.e. 10 = narrow, 10 1/2 = 10 wide? Could be wrong.
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Shoe widths would be designated by a letter such as D or E, so a size might be 11 1/2 D. The half size is just in-between, length-wise.

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What AnonnymousBosch and Tex Cruise are seeing in younger men these days is an epidemic of low testosterone which results in this: "the majority of men who would have been solid in the past are now fat and the men who would have been lean are now skinny-fat"

(01-20-2016 04:55 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  But following directly on from that, I had to attend a Uni campus yesterday, so spent some time people watching.

A few things I noticed:

- Millennial guys have very insincere smiles when they're talking to people. It's obvious they're not smiling in a genuine way, almost as if they're smiling in a way they hope cultivates likeability. Smiling exists as a means to an end.

- No confidence around women. Watching their interactions with the opposite sex is more like observing a group of girls, or girls and their Pet Gay.

- Even more interesting. Women don't even seem to recognise these guys as being men. Their body language is pure Friendzone: a man who exists to them in that Nonsexual, but Potentially-Useful In Other Ways fashion.

- Very narrow frames and narrow stances. No Parade Rest for these guys. They're trying to take up as little space as possible, to the degree I wonder where the hell their testicles are. Do they have to tuck?

- The resting state of their hands is loose and, stereotypically, limp. If they have carry a man bag, or briefcase, the wrist is either tucked limply against their body, once again trying to not take up space, or they seem to have no control over what they're carrying, so there's a huge sway.

- Related: if their arms are loose, there's no control in the arms or strength or tension in the wrists. Their arms have a real swing to them, that resembles the behaviour of the early schooling years, where young boys haven't the confidence to control their movements yet. It's like their legs are walking, but their upper body is doing a controlled skip.

Everything about them screams gay. It's fascinating. This is the damage Marxist Educators can do to masculinity in just 30 years.

I live in the same area, so I'm very familiar with those guys, and the kaijus like the typist in the article.

My girlfriend works in men's high-end fashion and she often makes similar (but not as detailed) observations about city Millennial guys. Two things she notices all the time are:

- The weak skinny chicken legs, and how those fellas can sit cross-legged Obama-style, or stand comfortably with their feet touching.
- The feminine hip sway when they walk

It all screams gay, but apparently they are straight.

Even when they decide to suit up, they look like they just stole the suit off the rack with their limp and powerless posture.

She's also a Millennial university student, and because those guys are my competition, I stand out physically despite being just 5'7" and only a light-middle weight powerlifter.

In complete contrast, there is a significant number of Millennial women that have almost as wide or wider shoulders than me, and I stand out among male lifters of similar weight classes as having big cannon-ball shoulders...

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(01-21-2016 01:04 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I live in the same area, so I'm very familiar with those guys, and the kaijus like the typist in the article.

My girlfriend works in men's high-end fashion and she often makes similar (but not as detailed) observations about city Millennial guys. Two things she notices all the time are:

- The weak skinny chicken legs, and how those fellas can sit cross-legged Obama-style, or stand comfortably with their feet touching.
- The feminine hip sway when they walk

It all screams gay, but apparently they are straight.

Even when they decide to suit up, they look like they just stole the suit off the rack with their limp and powerless posture.

She's also a Millennial university student, and because those guys are my competition, I stand out physically despite being just 5'7" and only a light-middle weight powerlifter.

In complete contrast, there is a significant number of Millennial women that have almost as wide or wider shoulders than me, and I stand out among male lifters of similar weight classes as having big cannon-ball shoulders...

I live in Melb Australia..and this is extremely common, particularly in the CBD...disgusting...even more atrocious when you meet a chick who has a man jaw and cuts her hair short and looks more manly than most men.
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Great observations AnonymousBosch!

A lot of it this demasculinisation could be to do with the water, rather that just cultural. Melbourne's water is about the most toxic swill I've experienced anywhere I've been in the world. The chemicals they use to treat the water, which remain as residue, is anyone's guess... but we do know they add hydrofluorosilicic acid which are waste products of phosphate fertiliser production. Considering such fluorine compounds are more bio-available than sodium fluoride (and therefore more toxic) I think it would be wise to take heed of these studies.

http://fluoridealert.org/studies/fertility03/

"Studies on animals have consistently found, with a few exceptions, that high exposures to fluoride can seriously damage the male reproductive system, as measured by increased oxidative stress, altered sperm morphology, reduced testosterone, reduced sperm quality, reduced sperm motility, and reduced fertility. Studies of highly-exposed human populations have found similar associations with reduced testosterone and fertility. Consistent with these findings, carefully controlled in vitro studies have found that direct exposure of fluoride to the testes or semen inhibits testosterone production and damages sperm."
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The way this thread has turned out is fascinating. Much has been made on the forum of the stature of Australian men vis-à-vis other Western men, and for that matter dudes worldwide. Specifically, that Australia is a sea of big dudes, oozing testosterone and alpha mannerisms; all a product of our rampant gym culture. Much of that is concentrated on tradesmen but I've seen those features a lot even in inner-city university-educated blokes -- a legacy of middle-class and upwards backgrounds which emphasised compulsory school sport.
Growing up, I'd been led to believe that our kids led a far more healthy and balanced lifestyle than much of the Western world. Sunny weather for long stretches of the year meant slatherings of outdoor activity around (and during) a very comprehensive education system. Generous social safety nets mean that these, along with healthcare and nutrition, are available across all levels of society.

It's backgrounds like these that lead to Australians being described as "huge", these habits also breed gamey, DGAF attitudes and genetic mixing gives us an aesthetic edge over other Anglosphere men. Along with the physical aspects are good banter delivered in that cocky, easygoing attitude with a confidence gained from being well-travelled. All these features contribute towards Australian dudes having an extremely high global SMV.

Yet I can't help but finding a lot of these ring true, having lived in the same parts of Melbourne (liberal-left inner-north). Brunswick Man displays every last body language characteristic described, replete with limp handshake, soft gaze and girly countertenor voice. I remember being amused by seeing Brunswick Man at a gig, wearing a muscle shirt -- betraying exactly zero muscle. Any masculinity that was offered by his full beard and tattoos were overshadowed by the sheer manliness of the 'girls' there. I do see a lot of cocky-aloof laidback vibes even from inner-city dudes when talking to women, but I wonder how much of that is posturing, how much alpha is really there.

The low-T epidemic must come from somewhere. There's a huge vegetarian/vegan following in Australia -- every sharehouse I've lived in has had a male vegetarian/vegan -- but I don't want to turn this into another herbivore v. carnivore debate. Certainly the preponderance of soy products must contribute towards high oestrogen levels. Cycling and de rigueur skinny jeans must be a factor in reducing testosterone. I might be guilty of such sartorial trends myself, but I swear there's something in the hipster outfit that if it doesn't lower testosterone per se, sure as hell underscores it. Not just skinny trousers which show zero gap between the legs, but checked shirts buttoned all the way to the top somehow seems to give the impression of shoulders shrugged inwards.
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