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(04-15-2019 01:25 PM)Titus Wrote:  Hey man, I quickly replied to your post in the Manaus thread, but as you made simultaneous posts in different threads regarding Brazil in general, I´ll go a little bit deeper in this thread.

Long story short: It seems you didn´t have reasonable expectations about gaming and girls in Brazil.


Reading your posts, it seems you invested mainly in online gaming and expected that being a western foreigner would be an advantage. Those are the WORST ideas/concepts someone can have regarding game in Brazil. Breaking it down:


1) Online gaming: The worst way to bang Brazilians. Some factors:

* It´s considered “beta”: Brazilian girls are basically attracted by looks and “alpha male” attitude. Those are KEY to understand what they want. They love guys that take risks and are not afraid of rejection. And they consider that online gaming is somehow “beta”. In their minds, is like “if this guy is approaching me online is because he don´t have balls to do it face-to-face”. A girl may chat and eventually end banging a guy she knew online, but she´ll never be as interested and horny as if she knew him in a face-to-face situation. I know it´s a huge contradiction, as Brazilian girls are indeed addicted to social media, but that´s something that you need to deal with.

* Lose momentum: Something that is very important to understand is that ONS situations in Brazil are 99% momentum. Brazilian girls are straightforward and if she´s horny in a bar or in a party, she´ll be easily convinced to bang, even if she knew the guy a few minutes before. In the other hand, they respond terribly to slowly building of rapport. And that´s a HUGE handicap of online gaming. Chatting a lot with a girl before knowing her in person is the recipe to flakiness and loss of interest. That´s why too much pipelining to a bang trip is the worst thing to do. If you want to online game, do it in a few days of advance, don´t let the chatting go too deep, keep some mystery and try to set a date in person asap.

* Unsafe: Violent society with high rates of murder and rape makes Brazilian girls VERY afraid of meeting guys they don´t know in person. There´s a long way between chatting and going out in a date. It´s actually funny: Girls here think it´s less risky going for a ONS in a love motel with a guy she knew in a club a few minutes before than going out for a coffee with a guy she has been chatting for several days or weeks (but never knew in person).


2) Gringo factor: As I already mentioned a lot in the forum, there´s no such “gringo factor” in Brazil. I saw you posting that it “had eroded”, but it actually never existed. It´s probably a myth created by the sexualized image of carnival and girls in tiny bikinis that was always “sold” to foreign tourists. Some factors:

* Negative stereotypes: For several years, single foreigners visiting Brazil were either “hardcore” sexual tourists – old fat divorced man chasing drugs and underage P4P – or stinky backpackers. Even though nowadays there are more high value guys visiting Brazil and a bigger expat community, those stereotypes are still there and play STRONGLY against you.

* Personality and gaming style: Girls here like man street smart and with a tough “bad boy” attitude. That´s not the case of most tourists that come here… Being too friendly and too naive will cockblock you. And also, game style here is VERY particular. Too slow, will be considered a moron. Too fast, an asshole. It´s very difficult to calibrate it: Have to be aggressive, funny, nasty, have high-energy, make compliments… You need to mix a little bit of everything, I already explained that in other threads. And the problem is that girls are very reactive to gaming style. Even if you are very handsome and managed to get the attention of a girl, a wrong way of approaching or not managing to build momentum may lead to immediate loss of interest. So that´s another handicap of being foreigner.

* They don´t chase the “western dream”: Most of the girls in the country are capable of affording an at least “comfortable” lifestyle. Even in poor areas most of them have cellphones, cable TV, and go out partying in the weekends. And are also very attached to family and fired. Even though having shitty jobs or don´t having money to travel and do other stuff, they are used to it and aren´t desperately trying to leave the country. So, gringo chasing or gold digging is not in our culture as strong as it is in Colombia or SEA, for example. Of course there are always some gold digger interested in marrying an old fat rich gringo, but not in a scale to put gringos in a pedestal in general.



And all I said above regarding online gaming and gringo factor have ALWAYS been like that, it´s not something new. Although I´m Brazilian, I know foreign guys that live or come here in a regular basis for at least 15 years, and they always had to deal with that particularities. Actually, one of the main mistakes I see here in the forum regarding Brazil is trying to compare gaming here with gaming in Colombia, DR or SEA… I understand that in such countries the simple fact of being gringo is a huge bonus and massively pipelining online is the best strategy, you don´t even have to game face-to-face to bang a lot. But here is totally different, and always have been.


Very in-depth analysis. Mine as a foreigner is much simpler. There are two key factors in my opinion:

1.) Portuguese: It's a lot more important to speak Portuguese in Brazil than for example to know Spanish in Colombia. Not being able to converse in Portuguese will hurt you badly.

2.) Aggressiveness: Ok, that has been discussed several times. Still, in my opinion the need to be super aggressive is very unique to Brazil and makes it difficult if you aren't used to it.
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Is the part about being able to speak Portuguese entirely true? I have a lot of close Brazilian friends who have told me that a gringo with English and Spanish would do alright.
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(04-15-2019 02:37 PM)semibaron Wrote:  Very in-depth analysis. Mine as a foreigner is much simpler. There are two key factors in my opinion:

1.) Portuguese: It's a lot more important to speak Portuguese in Brazil than for example to know Spanish in Colombia. Not being able to converse in Portuguese will hurt you badly.

2.) Aggressiveness: Ok, that has been discussed several times. Still, in my opinion the need to be super aggressive is very unique to Brazil and makes it difficult if you aren't used to it.


I wasn´t discussing the main factors about gaming in Brazil, but discussing some specific statements made by a fellow member in 3 different threads about his deception regarding the lack of "gringo value" and the flakiness in online game in Brazil in general.

But I agree with you that Portuguese and aggressiveness are key to game efficiently in Brazil. Would add 2 factors more:

1) Looks: Key factor. Brazilian girls are much more attracted by physical beauty than by status, money or intelligence. It´s probably the society most focused on body in the world. I would say that being in good shape is almost mandatory to manage to get laid.

2) Focus on night game: Parties, clubs and bars are the best shot to get laid. Single girls usually go out at night to get drunk and party hard, and are usually in small groups, so they are very approachable. Don´t waste time or energy doing daygame, unless in very specific situations involving booze and/or music (such as festivals, restaurants and dive bars with live music during weekends or beaches during summer).
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(04-15-2019 03:09 PM)Stiffmeister Wrote:  Is the part about being able to speak Portuguese entirely true? I have a lot of close Brazilian friends who have told me that a gringo with English and Spanish would do alright.

Forget English.

If you know Spanish you can translate this relatively fast to some kind of Portuñol.
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Sorry to say but stigma about online dating in Brazil is rapidly changing. For those of us studying Brazilian Portuguese just go on netflix almost every show and movie in Portuguese has something to do with online dating. They even did an 12 episode show in Portuguese where the entire plot rests on an online dating romance.

Word is on the ground that many cities that previously sucked for online dating are now not so bad. I am heading to Belem in July and just out of curiosity I did one tinder boost got 100+ matches about 25-30 of them bangable and I'd say about 10 that were actually 7+ IMO, and I didn't bother messaging them since I wont be arriving for a while and a lot of them messaged me aggressively making it clear they were DTF, did the same thing when I set my tinder to Brasilia, same result. Just for the record i speak fluent portuguese though and my tinder/instagram is optimized to a near ridiuculous levels so YMMV.

Nightlife = best way to get laid in brazil ???? yeah right. So much bullshit to deal with, girls in Brazil will act roudy and makeout with you like crazy but getting them to look like a huge slut in front of their friends going home with you = almost never going to happen unless she is not very attractive, probably less then what I could get from online.

Also, Nightlife in Rio de Janeiro was never that great to begin with as its a very healthy oriented city thats all about the daytime partys and meetups. (unless you want to go to a disgusting lapa party to pickup a solid 2) I'm sure now with tinder/instagram getting laid from nightlife has probably gotten even harder. Brazil is excellent at making it SEEM like you're about to get laid with lots of girls happy to talk and makeout and be nice, but after all the kissing and dancing and when push comes to shove and its time to leave their friends 95%+ chance they will not do it.

Daygame is bad? Seriously Rio is THE DAYGAME city. A lot of times in Ipanema if you look good on the beach girls will a lot of times "open" you (of course with an excuse like can they borrow a lighter or take a hit off your joint or some BS). I'm usually shy to open girls and they will often seem like they are "inviting" me to open during the day at lots of random places like grocery store or whatever so even my shy ass sometimes gets numbers during the day.

All this talk also about being mega aggressive I think doesn't necessarily work for foreigners as it does for local Brazilians (esp white and asian foreigners) and can often backfire if you try "100% asshole" game that works really well on American chicks, at least thats been my experience. You don't need to be a roided out dickhead, just don't be a fucking beta-male pussy like 3/4th of the gringos, keep a strong frame but play into the more "chill but confident" guy they are looking for to get away from what they perceive are overly aggressive locals they are tired of dealing with. For example I had one of my Venezuelan girls tell me "I like you because you're not so scared like a European boy, but not so machista like the guys in Venezuela, you're 'the perfect amount of machista'" she likes to joke. Thats how you want to position yourself as a foreigner IN SA, a little bit mysterious, slightly machista/dick but not over the top, and very confident.Once you get them out proceed like you would in any other country (keep the conversation light, go to a bar as close to your house as possible, offer to go to your house to "listen to music" or whatever, done deal)

I'll be excited to head back to Brazil after 2 years to see how it's changed.

I do agree with the general gist though that many parts of Brazil are not that easy to raise your notch count, its more about quality.

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(04-15-2019 03:09 PM)Stiffmeister Wrote:  Is the part about being able to speak Portuguese entirely true? I have a lot of close Brazilian friends who have told me that a gringo with English and Spanish would do alright.

I have had no problem using English here in Rio. In fact it has helped me - many girls and guys start talking to me just so they can practice.

I have no idea where this nonsense of you have to know Portuguese comes from. Trying to fake a few Portuguese words only turns the locals off from my experience.
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(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Sorry to say but stigma about online dating in Brazil is rapidly changing. For those of us studying Brazilian Portuguese just go on netflix almost every show and movie in Portuguese has something to do with online dating. They even did an 12 episode show in Portuguese where the entire plot rests on an online dating romance.

Just to put in context: A fellow forum member complained a lot about how his online game lead to basically nowhere in Rio and Belo Horizonte, and how “gringo value has eroded”. You can see the posts here:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-67625...pid1965474
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53149...pid1965463

My whole analysis was trying to go a bit deeper in that…

But although I wouldn´t call it a stigma, I still believe online game will lead to much weaker results compared to any face-to-face game in Brazil. If someone try online game only, without putting effort in day or night game, will only scratch the surface of the whole gaming scenario in Brazil, so shouldn´t take big conclusions from that…


(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Word is on the ground that many cities that previously sucked for online dating are now not so bad. I am heading to Belem in July and just out of curiosity I did one tinder boost got 100+ matches about 25-30 of them bangable and I'd say about 10 that were actually 7+ IMO, and I didn't bother messaging them since I wont be arriving for a while and a lot of them messaged me aggressively making it clear they were DTF, did the same thing when I set my tinder to Brasilia, same result. Just for the record i speak fluent portuguese though and my tinder/instagram is optimized to a near ridiuculous levels so YMMV.

Impressed with your Brasilia results, as usually girls from there tend to be less slutty (at least when in their home town). But no surprise regarding Belém… I already said in other threads: The Brazilian Amazon rain forest cities (Belem, Manaus, Boa Vista…) are probably the ultimate pussy paradises in the whole planet. Even if online gaming is the worst way to bang girls in the country, it still brings TONS of ONS in those parts. I´m sure you´ll do fine.


(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Nightlife = best way to get laid in brazil ???? yeah right. So much bullshit to deal with, girls in Brazil will act roudy and makeout with you like crazy but getting them to look like a huge slut in front of their friends going home with you = almost never going to happen unless she is not very attractive, probably less then what I could get from online.

Well… Yes! At least according to my own experience and the experience of all my friends, both native and foreign. I don´t know to what kind of nightlife you went, but in any city of the country you can get some serious action in clubs (except Rio) and bars. And single girls in their mid-20s usually go out in small sets (2 or 3 friends) and don´t give a fuck to what their friends will think. Of course, if you´re chasing young college girls, very attached to social circle and status, the experience will be totally different.


(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Also, Nightlife in Rio de Janeiro was never that great to begin with as its a very healthy oriented city thats all about the daytime partys and meetups. (unless you want to go to a disgusting lapa party to pickup a solid 2) I'm sure now with tinder/instagram getting laid from nightlife has probably gotten even harder. Brazil is excellent at making it SEEM like you're about to get laid with lots of girls happy to talk and makeout and be nice, but after all the kissing and dancing and when push comes to shove and its time to leave their friends 95%+ chance they will not do it.

First of all, although I´m based in Rio, I meant night game in general in the whole country. That said, I totally agree that nightlife in Rio IN CLUBS sucks! Awful! Probably the worst city in the country to get ONS in clubs… But PRIVATE PARTIES are a different story. Have you ever went to any of them? There are tons every weekend in the city. Although expensive ($30 or $40 a ticket without booze included), ratio is usually very good (60/40 or 70/30), girls get very drunk, no social circle, no table game, lots of girls from other parts of the country visiting the city… It´s the “hidden gem” (not so hidden as basically every local knows) of Rio´s nightlife.

And also, it´s very easy to game in bars in Rio neighborhoods such as Botafogo, Gavea or Ipanema. From Wednesday to Sunday, bars are usually crowded (specially in summer), and the ones you can stand in the sidewalk are gold to approach girls standing next to you.


(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Daygame is bad? Seriously Rio is THE DAYGAME city. A lot of times in Ipanema if you look good on the beach girls will a lot of times "open" you (of course with an excuse like can they borrow a lighter or take a hit off your joint or some BS). I'm usually shy to open girls and they will often seem like they are "inviting" me to open during the day at lots of random places like grocery store or whatever so even my shy ass sometimes gets numbers during the day.

My post was regarding all Brazil in general. But as I said, there are specific places to day game in Brazil, and one of them are beaches in summer, especially in Rio. But the “traditional” day game, such as approaching in malls, grocery stores, or randomly in the street, doesn´t exist and girls are usually afraid of talking to random guys. Don´t know if I made myself clear but when I suggested not wasting time or effort in day gaming, I was thinking precisely in this kind of “out-of-nowhere” approach.

(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  All this talk also about being mega aggressive I think doesn't necessarily work for foreigners as it does for local Brazilians (esp white and asian foreigners) and can often backfire if you try "100% asshole" game that works really well on American chicks, at least thats been my experience. You don't need to be a roided out dickhead, just don't be a fucking beta-male pussy like 3/4th of the gringos, keep a strong frame but play into the more "chill but confident" guy they are looking for to get away from what they perceive are overly aggressive locals they are tired of dealing with. For example I had one of my Venezuelan girls tell me "I like you because you're not so scared like a European boy, but not so machista like the guys in Venezuela, you're 'the perfect amount of machista'" she likes to joke. Thats how you want to position yourself as a foreigner IN SA, a little bit mysterious, slightly machista/dick but not over the top, and very confident.Once you get them out proceed like you would in any other country (keep the conversation light, go to a bar as close to your house as possible, offer to go to your house to "listen to music" or whatever, done deal)

I think the “aggressive game” thing was misunderstood. Nothing to do with “asshole game”, lowering the girl value when talking to her or being sarcastic will probably lead to the girl telling you to fuck off. It´s not about being directly aggressive or rude to the girl, but about showing confidence, taking the lead and having balls. It´s basically strong eye contact, no hesitation to approach, “bad boy” body language, strong physical contact and quick escalation after a few minutes of interaction. I think you were straight into the point: The key is being confident.



Anyway, I´m happy to know you had I great time when in Rio, here is usually the love or hate kind of thing. I´m in the love side, always joke that here is the “best worst place” to live… violent, expensive, chaotic, but with nature, vibe and girls that are totally worth it…
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To everyone using the number of Tinder matches and Whatsapp numbers as a signal for how "thirsty for your dick" Brazilian girls are: let me tell you- its absolutely meaningless.

I get like 5-10 Tinder matches a day from hot girls here in Rio, and usually can convert at least half of those into whatsapp numbers (I would say my tinder profile is good, like top 10%) but getting those girls to meet up *rarely* happens.

Bad logistics, super LAZY.. LAZY fucking girls that won't move a finger for the meetup, and they lose interest quickly.

As everyone has already said before here and in other threads: day and night game is king here - and dont let things cool down. Here more than anywhere else, you gotta strike while the iron is hot.

If a girl gives you an inviting look, approach. If you make out in the bar for a few minutes, try to bounce to your place. Etc. Her number will be worthless tomorrow, trust me.
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(04-15-2019 05:15 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Sorry to say but stigma about online dating in Brazil is rapidly changing. For those of us studying Brazilian Portuguese just go on netflix almost every show and movie in Portuguese has something to do with online dating. They even did an 12 episode show in Portuguese where the entire plot rests on an online dating romance.

Word is on the ground that many cities that previously sucked for online dating are now not so bad. I am heading to Belem in July and just out of curiosity I did one tinder boost got 100+ matches about 25-30 of them bangable and I'd say about 10 that were actually 7+ IMO, and I didn't bother messaging them since I wont be arriving for a while and a lot of them messaged me aggressively making it clear they were DTF, did the same thing when I set my tinder to Brasilia, same result. Just for the record i speak fluent portuguese though and my tinder/instagram is optimized to a near ridiuculous levels so YMMV.

Nightlife = best way to get laid in brazil ???? yeah right. So much bullshit to deal with, girls in Brazil will act roudy and makeout with you like crazy but getting them to look like a huge slut in front of their friends going home with you = almost never going to happen unless she is not very attractive, probably less then what I could get from online.

Also, Nightlife in Rio de Janeiro was never that great to begin with as its a very healthy oriented city thats all about the daytime partys and meetups. (unless you want to go to a disgusting lapa party to pickup a solid 2) I'm sure now with tinder/instagram getting laid from nightlife has probably gotten even harder. Brazil is excellent at making it SEEM like you're about to get laid with lots of girls happy to talk and makeout and be nice, but after all the kissing and dancing and when push comes to shove and its time to leave their friends 95%+ chance they will not do it.

Daygame is bad? Seriously Rio is THE DAYGAME city. A lot of times in Ipanema if you look good on the beach girls will a lot of times "open" you (of course with an excuse like can they borrow a lighter or take a hit off your joint or some BS). I'm usually shy to open girls and they will often seem like they are "inviting" me to open during the day at lots of random places like grocery store or whatever so even my shy ass sometimes gets numbers during the day.

All this talk also about being mega aggressive I think doesn't necessarily work for foreigners as it does for local Brazilians (esp white and asian foreigners) and can often backfire if you try "100% asshole" game that works really well on American chicks, at least thats been my experience. You don't need to be a roided out dickhead, just don't be a fucking beta-male pussy like 3/4th of the gringos, keep a strong frame but play into the more "chill but confident" guy they are looking for to get away from what they perceive are overly aggressive locals they are tired of dealing with. For example I had one of my Venezuelan girls tell me "I like you because you're not so scared like a European boy, but not so machista like the guys in Venezuela, you're 'the perfect amount of machista'" she likes to joke. Thats how you want to position yourself as a foreigner IN SA, a little bit mysterious, slightly machista/dick but not over the top, and very confident.Once you get them out proceed like you would in any other country (keep the conversation light, go to a bar as close to your house as possible, offer to go to your house to "listen to music" or whatever, done deal)

I'll be excited to head back to Brazil after 2 years to see how it's changed.

I do agree with the general gist though that many parts of Brazil are not that easy to raise your notch count, its more about quality.
I agree with everything except the easiness of daygame in Rio.

Titus, no offense but it looks like you are romanticizing your women, seeing them as some wild holy horses that only a fit and aggressive local can ride.

I have been in Rio 4 years ago for a month and got laid many times from online, the quality was from 6 to 9. The gringo factor was still present, many chicks told me they were curious and wanted to « taste » a gringo...and I can pass for a brazilian so I imagine the success a 6ft2 blue eyed blond guy would have, these dudes are like unicorns for the local chicks (don’t get me wrong, a guy like that with 0 game and confidence would struggle as well but a seasoned player with this physique will clean up).

This being said what LatinoHeat said is correct, you need to be confident and have frame, don’t go there if you aren’t confident or get impressed easily. Be confident and at the same time smooth and cool. Many chicks complained about the local dudes being too aggressive while at the same time expecting me to be aggressive as well.

The gringo factor? It is still present yes, and yes many women want to leave their country, they love it but many of them either struggle financially or are sick of safety issues so when they meet a gringo many of them have somewhere in their mind the idea that he might take them with him.

The problem is 1) Sex tourists: Rio for instance has been for a long time a famous sex destination, I know a french black dude, kind of thug type, who went there 10 times, he was there every summer for 2 weeks spending all his money in brothels... so yeah Rio had this reputation and attracted many guys who harmed the image of western men. You might think this guy is an exception but many italians used to go every year and cover chicks with gifts, which is even worse imo.

2) Safety: you can never be completely relaxed in Rio, that was the main problem for me.

Brazil isn’t a pussy paradise, not for beginners but I had gorgeous and passionate women there and I regret I didn’t go back last summer.
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