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IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
In the business of hope: Does IVF offer couples false sense of security?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenti...8581087566

“I REALLY felt in my core that a mother was what I was supposed to be,” 43-year-old Aileen* says. “I could not imagine that it wouldn’t happen.”
We’re sitting in her cosy suburban house. The kitchen is full of dried herbs and jars of homemade pickles. Bags of Aileen’s knitting are strewn on
the couch alongside a handsome tabby cat named George. It’s a homely, inviting scene but no children live here.
After getting hitched to her partner Ryan* in 2004, the pair started trying to conceive.
“We then had a couple of years of just waiting to see what happened and nothing happened,” Aileen recalls.
That’s when the pair took a well-trodden path and turned to assisted reproductive technology (ART), a term that includes a whole raft of fertility
treatments including in vitro fertilisation (IVF).
Things started out promisingly. Aileen got pregnant after her first intra-uterine insemination.
“It seemed astoundingly easy. Then of course we went to the first ultrasound,” she says.
That seven-week ultrasound showed their embryo had no heartbeat. Aileen’s gynaecologist decided they would “let it [the dead embryo] come away naturally”.
Without knowing quite what else to do, Aileen went back to work.
“I walked around the office for three weeks with a dead embryo inside me,” Aileen says. “It was like a bomb waiting to go off inside me.”


Righteeo then...

Some weeks later Aileen was at work when she got a call from her fertility specialist who promptly told her: “By the way, you had a little boy
and he had a chromosomal heart defect. That’s why you lost him.”


Gee, doc. Thanks for the info. I'll put that one right in my diary... Dodgy

In a recent opinion piece, British IVF pioneer Professor Robert Winston blasted the IVF industry stating that: “… more and more
infertile couples are being exploited by an increasingly grasping industry that frequently ignores ethical standards.”
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According to the most recent report from the FSA and University of NSW, of the 71,516 initiated ART cycles that took place in
Australia and New Zealand in 2013, 18.2 per cent (12,997) resulted in a live delivery.
On the surface of it, this means 82 per cent of cycles in these two countries failed. However Professor Chapman cautions that
we must interpret these statistics with care.
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Katrina and Nigel went through five IVF cycles. Then something awful happened.
“I had an egg collection procedure, which they do via ultrasound, and apparently during that procedure, it was a difficult
for them to extract the follicles.”
At the time, Katrina was unaware that anything unusual had occurred.
“Normally you go home and you just have a bit of an easy day. No one had said, ‘It was a difficult procedure today,
please keep in touch with us’ or, ‘Take care’. No one had said anything, so I just left thinking that it was normal.”
It was not normal. Katrina started to get bad chest pain.
“I felt like I couldn’t breathe, and I felt like my insides were going to fall out. I didn’t know what was happening to me,” she says.
According to Katrina, when she finally managed to contact her doctor he told her to take a Panadol.
“They actually burst a blood vessel with the needle, so I had an internal bleed, which actually became an internal haemorrhage,”
Katrina says. “It doesn’t happen very often but it happened to me.”


That's it ladies. Just freeze your eggs & everything will be just fine...
Or you could live a more 'traditional' & probably more meaningful lifestyle..., but I digress... Angel
01-23-2016 09:26 AM
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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
There's nothing wrong with IVF per se. Use an egg donor and/or surrogate, each in their twenties, and you're gold.

The problem arises when you're a dried up hag in your late 30s or worse thinking that science is going to somehow undo the laws of probability. I guess some blame can be laid at the feet of those who individually and collectively buy into that delusion.

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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
One other situation these women don't seem to think of is the idea of chasing kids in their 30s, 40s, or what have you.

It's like they weren't paying attention when their moms groaned, "raising kids takes a lot of energy!"

Even my mom, now in her wiser 60s, says women should have children in their 20s because of that. And she had me and my brother in her early 30s!
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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
IVF is a suckers game. I have no sympathy for these dumb bitches who couldn't be bothered having kids when they were younger and more fertile. Then they rope some sucker husband of theirs to help pay 10s of thousands of dollars for IVF, arrogantly thinking they can outsmart Mother Nature.

Then, when it doesn't work or they give birth to children with birth defects, they cry about how unfair it all is. This shit shouldn't even be allowed after a certain age in my opinion but we know that the feelings of these women far outway the damage done to these children that these women are carrying. Brutal.
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Fits well with two of my favorite quotes:

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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
The thing is the she was 33 or so. I guess at the edge of normally conceiving. If she was 40 and trying I would be "stupid bitch don't fuck with mother nature."

What is interesting is how she feels knowing she will never have a child, I guess her dogs are it. But if this emptiness is typical of women who do not have children, and it seems people these days are waiting later and later, gonna be a lot of miserable women to be around. Sad Not like they were not already difficult enough.

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(01-23-2016 04:41 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  The thing is the she was 33 or so. I guess at the edge of normally conceiving. If she was 40 and trying I would be "stupid bitch don't fuck with mother nature."

What is interesting is how she feels knowing she will never have a child, I guess her dogs are it. But if this emptiness is typical of women who do not have children, and it seems people these days are waiting later and later, gonna be a lot of miserable women to be around. Sad Not like they were not already difficult enough.

Fertility is a lot less viable than you think. It starts to drop off at 30 and by 35 or so you're down to a 25% chance of actually shitting a kid out of your vagina. I've had a couple of women friends around 30 who said they were told the same thing when they went to different real world gynaecologists and asked when they should be having kids: "Now".
"But can't I wait until thirty-two--"
"No. Now. Start trying now. Have them now."

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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
I think a lot of this has to do with the Hollywood women having kids in their mid to late 40's (Jennifer aniston and Angelina jolie at the top of the list)
I wonder how many IVF treatments these hollywood women have to go through for them to finally have the pregnancy stick?
Also, i wonder how many abortions they've had because the fetus was developing abnormally?


In some ways i feel bad because all women should be able to have kids if they truly want to but, there are so many irresponsible females out here that neglect their children. I guess this is the universe's way of balancing things out. Not to mention if these late 30's and older women were to conceive a baby there's an increased chance of a lot of birth defects.

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(01-23-2016 09:54 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  I think a lot of this has to do with the Hollywood women having kids in their mid to late 40's (Jennifer aniston and Angelina jolie at the top of the list)
I wonder how many IVF treatments these hollywood women have to go through for them to finally have the pregnancy stick?
Also, i wonder how many abortions they've had because the fetus was developing abnormally?

The answer is few to none to both questions. The really dirty secret is that generally these women are not using their own eggs. Where they are using their own, it's a better-then-fifty-percent chance of miscarriage.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/pregnant-over-40/

Quote:So how do so many famous women become mothers in their mid to late forties and even into their fifties? Donor eggs.

“Celebrities may be different from you and me, they may be better looking but one thing they’re not is more fertile” a Beverly Hills doctor told US Elle magazine. This doctor has helped several middle-aged stars have babies with donor eggs and describes it as the last taboo of infertility.

Famous or not, the most common cause of infertility in women is age. Too many of us simply leave it too late – for a whole bunch of reasons. Sadly, after a certain point there’s nothing you can do to increase the number of eggs you have or extend their expiry date.

“The chance of an egg resulting in pregnancy declines as a woman ages,” explains Brisbane obstetrician/gynaecologist Dr Brad Robinson. “The reason for that is that eggs age just like every other part of us. So an old egg that is finally released at the age of 45 may come out of the ovary – but as I like to tell my patients – it may well come out on a zimmer frame. This is evidenced by the fact the miscarriage rate climbs as we age from 12% at under 30 to 51% at ages 40-44.

I sometimes wonder whether the celebrity mothers secretly resent these kids as a result. They had a kid, but it has 0% of the mother's DNA and all of their partner's and another woman's. It's as if their partner banged another slut and she has to take care of the bastard that's produced.

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(01-23-2016 11:18 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  I sometimes wonder whether the celebrity mothers secretly resent these kids as a result. They had a kid, but it has 0% of the mother's DNA and all of their partner's and another woman's. It's as if their partner banged another slut and she has to take care of the bastard that's produced.

Would make sense that these women might tolerate their children getting buggered to advance their careers.

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RE: IVF treatment an expensive con... nah, couldn't be.
(01-23-2016 11:18 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  I sometimes wonder whether the celebrity mothers secretly resent these kids as a result. They had a kid, but it has 0% of the mother's DNA and all of their partner's and another woman's. It's as if their partner banged another slut and she has to take care of the bastard that's produced.

Good grief, I never realised there were women taking advantage of cutting edge science to become voluntary cucks.

This forum was right all along, women really do want to force their way into every male-only club.

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I was conceived naturally when my mother was 38 and born when she was 39. I have a younger sister too and she was conceived when my mother was 42 and born when she was 43 but I have older siblings that she had in her 20s and 30s. Same thing happened with my both my grandmother's.

I see this with other mothers who have a lot of children earlier in their life. They seem to have no problem getting pregnant once they hit their late 30s and early 40s. Makes me wonder if nature rewards them for doing what they were supposed to do and popping out babies.
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(01-23-2016 11:18 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(01-23-2016 09:54 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  I think a lot of this has to do with the Hollywood women having kids in their mid to late 40's (Jennifer aniston and Angelina jolie at the top of the list)
I wonder how many IVF treatments these hollywood women have to go through for them to finally have the pregnancy stick?
Also, i wonder how many abortions they've had because the fetus was developing abnormally?

The answer is few to none to both questions. The really dirty secret is that generally these women are not using their own eggs. Where they are using their own, it's a better-then-fifty-percent chance of miscarriage.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/pregnant-over-40/

Quote:So how do so many famous women become mothers in their mid to late forties and even into their fifties? Donor eggs.

“Celebrities may be different from you and me, they may be better looking but one thing they’re not is more fertile” a Beverly Hills doctor told US Elle magazine. This doctor has helped several middle-aged stars have babies with donor eggs and describes it as the last taboo of infertility.

Famous or not, the most common cause of infertility in women is age. Too many of us simply leave it too late – for a whole bunch of reasons. Sadly, after a certain point there’s nothing you can do to increase the number of eggs you have or extend their expiry date.

“The chance of an egg resulting in pregnancy declines as a woman ages,” explains Brisbane obstetrician/gynaecologist Dr Brad Robinson. “The reason for that is that eggs age just like every other part of us. So an old egg that is finally released at the age of 45 may come out of the ovary – but as I like to tell my patients – it may well come out on a zimmer frame. This is evidenced by the fact the miscarriage rate climbs as we age from 12% at under 30 to 51% at ages 40-44.

I sometimes wonder whether the celebrity mothers secretly resent these kids as a result. They had a kid, but it has 0% of the mother's DNA and all of their partner's and another woman's. It's as if their partner banged another slut and she has to take care of the bastard that's produced.

That's some Frankenstein shit right there.

In the case of Hollywood women, I'd wager its about the status. Pure status. Showing everyone you have the perfect life. That's why all these regular women idolize them because they get the idea in their head that if a female celebrity can have it all then why can't they, regardless of the risks.

Keep in mind these are the same people who fuck drug dealers just because "tingles". Hamster away that being a slut is empowering. And spend ludicrous amounts of time/money/energy on useless non-functional garbage all because they feel inferior to Jennifer Lawrence who makes 50 mil a year.

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