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(01-23-2016 04:32 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  London is foreign? Nothing new except the fact the whole picture is hidden from people. The City of London however is as white can be, with a sprinkling of international tastes. These people live just outside London or in fortified castles near where they work or around similar people. The well off do not mingle with the river of filth that flows through their beloved city.

If the City of London were to suffer a catastrophe and was unable to weather a huge economic storm, the area of Greater London would devour itself from the socialist policies that has been allowed to flourish under it. Wealth would flow outwards, crime would sky rocket and white flight would take hold.

The rest of GB Plc would follow London into the blackhole. Criminality in London is nothing new but the style of gangland violence would be different. Third world savagery coupled with criminality is what creates real fear in people, not just simple strete muggings.

So London is following the path of Detroit?

It went from the Paris of the Midwest to a shithole surrounded by wealth.

To those that do not know, the suburban ring around Detroit has been very healthy and has a far larger population than the city itself.

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(01-24-2016 04:08 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  
(01-23-2016 04:32 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  London is foreign? Nothing new except the fact the whole picture is hidden from people. The City of London however is as white can be, with a sprinkling of international tastes. These people live just outside London or in fortified castles near where they work or around similar people. The well off do not mingle with the river of filth that flows through their beloved city.

If the City of London were to suffer a catastrophe and was unable to weather a huge economic storm, the area of Greater London would devour itself from the socialist policies that has been allowed to flourish under it. Wealth would flow outwards, crime would sky rocket and white flight would take hold.

The rest of GB Plc would follow London into the blackhole. Criminality in London is nothing new but the style of gangland violence would be different. Third world savagery coupled with criminality is what creates real fear in people, not just simple strete muggings.

So London is following the path of Detroit?

It went from the Paris of the Midwest to a shithole surrounded by wealth.

To those that do not know, the suburban ring around Detroit has been very healthy and has a far larger population than the city itself.

The difference between London and Detroit is several magnitudes. Without the City of London, where the skyscrapers are, the whole place become irrelevant apart from being the capital of England.

At this moment in time the City does well through finance, be it legal or illegal, management of said finances and business.

If the hypothetical situation of a massive global meltdown were to occur, where we see the banks falling one after the other and capital flight eviscerating whatever is left, the chaos on London and the UK would make Detroit look like a bad joke.

When something as large as the City of London can be seen as its own little country you are setting the country up with an Achilles heel it could never overcome.

At least with the US dollar you have many countries using it, the UK pound and London stock exchange could be replaced.
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I was born and spent alot of time in London. I saw the migrant map a few weeks ago and was a bit surprised by it, I think it is a bit overblown.

Can we get feedback from people that actually live there, not keyboard jockeys that keep turning every thread into a "beware of the muslims" warning.

Comparing London to a shithole like Detroit is idiotic.

I may be a little partial, London is one of the best cities in the world.

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(01-23-2016 05:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  The idea that people today owe some kind of debt for shit done by their countrymen 100 years ago is crazy. The guilt can never be absolved under this logic. And it is a horrible mindset that sets people back from success and happiness.

The west appears to be governed by small people, dumb people, traitorous people, or some combination of these.

This is something I hear often but remember that the 'shit done 100 years ago' has put the shit do-ers in a dominant position right now. It's akin to one getting their land and resources stolen a month ago and when you see the person who did it, they say "Cheer up mate, it might have never happened".

So let's scratch the emotional aspect from the equation. Water under the bridge? Fine. My thing is, those who are complaining now, why complain about what is happening now when it was done before? Those immigrants who are swarming in are not even concerned about the past. They are acting now and taking advantage of current resources. As one poster says, let the strongest survive. Surely what is happening now in London is reflective of the strongest coming to a dominant position?

If your house becomes raided by soldier ants and you cannot stomp them out before they force you out of your home, do you complain about the soldier ants when you disturbed their nest some years ago?

I agree with RudeBwoy, let the keyboard jocks stop talking about Muslim this and Muslim that. Those power moguls that you so adore, the Trumps and the whatnots are actually the biggest keys in granting the Islamic group access to the Western countries.

Also, the immigration is a new form of slavery. 99 percent of the crap jobs are filled by the immigrants. I've worked a number of different jobs in London and Toronto considered to be ranked in the top 5 as the most multicultural cities in the world. They were crap jobs to sustain me as I was either studying (in London) or just clawing my way back up the ladder (Toronto). In London, I worked as the guy who sprays down expired meat with purple ink to prevent butchers from selling it to the public. My co-worker was from Guinea Biseau (just a two man job). I worked in the backroom in Debenhams and my co-worker was some cat from Eastern Europe.

It was even deeper when I go into Toronto. I worked some shytty assembly job in Mississauga for a few weeks once and the place was filled from head to toe with immigrants. 80 percent Indian and Sri Lankan, 19 percent miscellaneous (Turkish, Iran) and then 1 percent Afro Brit (me, hahahaha!). I swear my Urdu game got uber tight in those weeks!

However to conclude, these jobs paid tuppence and the governments know EXACTLY what they are doing. This is no accident. To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

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Knowing that this current clusterfuck is happening because of history, capitalist moguls or governments (or some combination of those) doesn't provide me with much solace. Either way I am forced to live in a clusterfuck, and whether person A, organization B or circumstance C is 10% more to blame will not improve my situation. However you put it, the current situation is a disgrace and there's no excuse for allowing it.

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Being asian myself, I don't get offended at all about 'immigrants' but I agree.

I travelled all cities around west cost and found towns with lots immigrants were dirty and unsafe.

If I really liked the town, it was 90% white.

It's funny when I say to a white person 'I don't like a town with lots of immigrants', he Pretends to get offended. I am pretty he hates it more than I do.

The fact is Immigrants don't like to stay in immigrants town (usually cheaper neighborhoods) Once they make money, they want to move to upper class white town.
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(01-25-2016 03:50 AM)Moma Wrote:  However to conclude, these jobs paid tuppence and the governments know EXACTLY what they are doing. This is no accident. To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

So what's your point?

You do know that the capitalist society known as the United States has shut down immigration in the past? For 40 years the last time.

And that the Dems opened it back up in the 60's?

Capitalism does not mandate unfettered immigration.

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(01-24-2016 11:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I was born and spent alot of time in London. I saw the migrant map a few weeks ago and was a bit surprised by it, I think it is a bit overblown.

Can we get feedback from people that actually live there, not keyboard jockeys that keep turning every thread into a "beware of the muslims" warning.

Comparing London to a shithole like Detroit is idiotic.

I may be a little partial, London is one of the best cities in the world.

I'm from london,born and raised etc.

I cant relate to this doom-and-gloom (wrt migrants), its more expensive and gentrified than ever. parts of inner london that were predominantely populated with ethnic minorites have been replaced, with mostly middle-class native english people.

Places like Hackney, brixton, clapham, stratford. proper shitholes becoming a lot nicer.

My commute to work , more than 9 out of ten people are white. Maybe thats not everyones experience in London but it is mine.

London does have its problems, but this migrant stuff is overblown. Poor people/low wage-earners are being pushed out of london, to places like manchester and wales. There's less and less council housing, as they are being torn down and replaced with v.expensive apartments

If anyone is going to post doom-and-gloom articles about ldn, they should state if they are actually from london, as opposed to being on the outside looking in, copying and pasting alarmist articles.


edit: There is a shitload of money to be made in London, where the fuck is this "decline" stuff coming from ??. I was flat broke 3 years ago, and now I'm partying abroad every weekend, on my own dime. I cant take people seriously who come with this defeatist attitude anymore. London isnt the problem, the people complaining in this thread are. Guys are telling on themselves.
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(01-25-2016 03:50 AM)Moma Wrote:  Those power moguls that you so adore, the Trumps and the whatnots are actually the biggest keys in granting the Islamic group access to the Western countries.

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However to conclude, these jobs paid tuppence and the governments know EXACTLY what they are doing. This is no accident. To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

You should do A LOT more research to learn the difference in Trump and the likes of George Soros, Zuckerberg, Gates and their elitist filth. Trump is not in the same ring of connections as these other three. Trump is for a closed border, the other three are spending billions to push open borders in the west.

And you need to research the difference in capitalism and corporatism.
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(01-25-2016 08:27 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 11:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I was born and spent alot of time in London. I saw the migrant map a few weeks ago and was a bit surprised by it, I think it is a bit overblown.

Can we get feedback from people that actually live there, not keyboard jockeys that keep turning every thread into a "beware of the muslims" warning.

Comparing London to a shithole like Detroit is idiotic.

I may be a little partial, London is one of the best cities in the world.

I'm from london,born and raised etc.

I cant relate to this doom-and-gloom (wrt migrants), its more expensive and gentrified than ever. parts of inner london that were predominantely populated with ethnic minorites have been replaced, with mostly middle-class native english people.

Places like Hackney, brixton, clapham, stratford. proper shitholes becoming a lot nicer.

My commute to work , more than 9 out of ten people are white. Maybe thats not everyones experience in London but it is mine.

London does have its problems, but this migrant stuff is overblown. Poor people/low wage-earners are being pushed out of london, to places like manchester and wales. There's less and less council housing, as they are being torn down and replaced with v.expensive apartments

If anyone is going to post doom-and-gloom articles about ldn, they should state if they are actually from london, as opposed to being on the outside looking in, copying and pasting alarmist articles.


edit: There is a shitload of money to be made in London, where the fuck is this "decline" stuff coming from ??. I was flat broke 3 years ago, and now I'm partying abroad every weekend, on my own dime. I cant take people seriously who come with this defeatist attitude anymore. London isnt the problem, the people complaining in this thread are. Guys are telling on themselves.


My sister has a similar attitude. Has lived in London since university.

Her life has been Private school - Redbrick university living in central accommodation funded by daddy - high powered career in the city.

She has never really ever had to come face to face with a poor person in her life. To her, the people who serve her in restaurants and shops are just faceless drones.

She has no understanding. She thinks she's so much better than everyone else that she just dismisses everything that doesn't happen in her little bubble as not real.

It's just oh so easy for her to leave her apartment at 7am and get the train into the City and return in the evening without ever coming into contact with anyone else who is not doing the same rat run. Uber takes her directly to the high society and civil service functions she attends in the evenings and weekends. Her insulation is 100%.

I, on the other hand, despite coming from the same background, have to deal with reality, due to business, and have always enjoyed dealing with people from all walks of life. This gives one a differing perspective on things.

You speak of the gentrification of former ghettos of London like it is a good thing; but the main driver of that is foreign purchase of Central London...mostly Arabs.

Arabs who directly finance not only terrorism itself but all of the other crazy Wahhabi bullshit we see; from never ending mosque construction to women dressed as letter boxes.

This is not a good thing, never mind the insanity on the roads during Arab season (which is easy to dismiss as High Jinx but is just another example of our submission).

There are over 1 million Muslims who legally (who knows how many are illegal) call London home. Currently 12.55 of the population. Mostly poor, ill educated folk in Tower Hamlets etc.

This number has doubled in 10 years (the statistics from the census are available for all to see).

Can you not see that this growth of poor, ill-educted, often non societally productive people is bad for all concerned?

Combine that with all of the other baggage that Islam brings with it and we have a situation brewing that doesn't seem very positive to me.

I wonder if you, like my sister, would think the way you do if the Muslim population grew to 40% within your working lifetime...bringing all the problems that that percentage of Muslims brings to every society of the same make up? If the problems were not consigned to the corners of the City but actually affected your every day life.

I would like to know what makes you think that Muslims are leaving London for Wales and Manchester?

The thing is, I do live in a city that is predicted to be over 50% muslim within a generation, although it feels that way already.

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for some reason the forum keeps crashing on me, one sec

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(01-25-2016 09:02 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  snip

Even though I've been fortunate enough to have a very good education from primary school through to university, unlike you and your sister I'm from a working class family, grew up poor,and lived in(until recently) poor areas of london.
And I'm regularly back in those areas, checking people I know. So I'm not in some bubble like your sister is. The places I've mentioned plus others are a lot safer now, by some distance.
For reference im talking from the beginning of the nineties till now. Actual poor/working class londoners that I know , are all in agreement that London is safer, so I'm going to take their word (and mine) over people who haven't actually lived that life, and are poring over pie charts and graphs in some newspaper.

If anyone in this thread is going to keep saying r.i.p London etc, please state the location of your upbringing, background etc. otherwise its just 2nd hand talk at best.
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(01-25-2016 08:27 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 11:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I was born and spent alot of time in London. I saw the migrant map a few weeks ago and was a bit surprised by it, I think it is a bit overblown.

Can we get feedback from people that actually live there, not keyboard jockeys that keep turning every thread into a "beware of the muslims" warning.

Comparing London to a shithole like Detroit is idiotic.

I may be a little partial, London is one of the best cities in the world.

I'm from london,born and raised etc.

I cant relate to this doom-and-gloom (wrt migrants), its more expensive and gentrified than ever. parts of inner london that were predominantely populated with ethnic minorites have been replaced, with mostly middle-class native english people.

Places like Hackney, brixton, clapham, stratford. proper shitholes becoming a lot nicer.

My commute to work , more than 9 out of ten people are white. Maybe thats not everyones experience in London but it is mine.

London does have its problems, but this migrant stuff is overblown. Poor people/low wage-earners are being pushed out of london, to places like manchester and wales. There's less and less council housing, as they are being torn down and replaced with v.expensive apartments

If anyone is going to post doom-and-gloom articles about ldn, they should state if they are actually from london, as opposed to being on the outside looking in, copying and pasting alarmist articles.


edit: There is a shitload of money to be made in London, where the fuck is this "decline" stuff coming from ??. I was flat broke 3 years ago, and now I'm partying abroad every weekend, on my own dime. I cant take people seriously who come with this defeatist attitude anymore. London isnt the problem, the people complaining in this thread are. Guys are telling on themselves.

To be clear, I wasn't doom mongering about London as the city itself but more or less what would happen IF the City of London went down. Frankfurt would step in immediately.

What is London apart from being the centre of business, finance and the capital of England? If two of those were to be removed whats left? The money moves out of London.

You don't have to live in London to see this. Poor people from London don't move to manchester in high numbers but tend to move outwards. Urban creep by London is on-going.
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To Hotwheels and It_is_my_time, I still stand by what I said about America being about the bottom dollar. Liberal Dem or Republican, they are both concerned about money in their pockets. Republicans are just more blatant about it in their voice as they speak for the older rich folk. Republicans either want to maintain wealth or increase it and are less likely to coat this objective beneath fluffy rhetoric as the Liberal Dems.

Again, Immigration in these waves is far more beneficial financially for Republicans than it is not.

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(01-25-2016 09:55 AM)Moma Wrote:  To Hotwheels and It_is_my_time, I still stand by what I said about America being about the bottom dollar. Liberal Dem or Republican, they are both concerned about money in their pockets. Republicans are just more blatant about it in their voice as they speak for the older rich folk. Republicans either want to maintain wealth or increase it and are less likely to coat this objective beneath fluffy rhetoric as the Liberal Dems.

Again, Immigration in these waves is far more beneficial financially for Republicans than it is not.

Of course, you are correct. The Republicans were very strong in their support of the TPP, and it was the Democrats that Obama had to win over to get it to pass. The TPP was all about tripling the number of H1-B Visa workers in the USA, and the first vote shot it down thanks to the Democrats doing the right thing. But it was passed after a 2nd vote.

That is what is so great about Trump so far, he has exposed how many in the Republican party are corrupt losers and need to go.
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Quote:To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

I agree that it's part of the answer. On the left you have politicians who want more voters in their favorable demographic groups and on the right you have business owners who want cheap labor, and landlords who want to keep the rents up.

In its most pure essence "capitalism" doesn't give a damn for things like tradition, culture, national borders, family, etc. (But interestingly, neither do socialist revolutionaries...)

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(01-23-2016 02:13 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  I always wish i could go back in time to experience a Charles Dickens/Victorian London.

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Dickens' london was a shithole as well.

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Quote:To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

I agree that it's part of the answer. On the left you have politicians who want more voters in their favorable demographic groups and on the right you have business owners who want cheap labor, and landlords who want to keep the rents up.

In its most pure essence "capitalism" doesn't give a damn for things like tradition, culture, national borders, family, etc. (But interestingly, neither do socialist revolutionaries...)

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(01-25-2016 03:50 AM)Moma Wrote:  To the Americans who support capitalism, this immigrant wave IS BECAUSE OF Capitalism.

Not quite.

Let's do a thought experiment.

If I open up a pet shop Wink and put a sign outside it that says the following, who will enter my shop?
"If you enter with any money, I will take it from you, and feed/breed pets with it. If you enter with no money, I will give you a pet."

Now, what would happen if I put this sign outside my shop instead?
"If you enter with any money, I will give you a pet. If you enter with no money, I will give you no pets."

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(01-25-2016 10:31 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  In its most pure essence "capitalism" doesn't give a damn for things like tradition, culture, national borders, family, etc. (But interestingly, neither do socialist revolutionaries...)

But Nationalism does Wink

Unfortunately, capitalism trumps nationalism; reality beats ideology. If you don't sell out, someone else eventually will. If that happens, you'll be less competitive, and thus in a weaker position to defend your ideology. Even Nazi Germany sought unlikely allies, especially as its war position worsened.

Note that I'm not saying capitalism doesn't care about things like tradition, culture, borders, family, etc. It - reality - only cares when they produce value. In fact, I believe some of these ideas are undervalued, and will eventually prove valuable, as our ancestors discovered, but recent generations forgot.
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^ So when large Corporations outsource their jobs overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Bringing in illegal immigrants and having them cut your lawn for $10 for 4 mexicans, isn't that Capitalism.

Shipping your manufacturing overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Large Corporations only hiring contract workers and refusing to pay benefits, isn't that Capitalism.

Outsourcing jobs to prison workers, paying them 0.97cents per DAY and charging them $5.00/hr to make a call - isn't that Capitalism.

Maybe you can explain it better than your pet shop example, but Corporations making Billions and yet finding more ways to pay the workers less and less. Sounds like Capital-ism to me.

As for Trump, the big Corporations are paying him to do their bidding. You really think he is going to upset that apple cart or go against the hand that feeds him.

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(01-25-2016 12:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ So when large Corporations outsource their jobs overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Bringing in illegal immigrants and having them cut your lawn for $10 for 4 mexicans, isn't that Capitalism.

Shipping your manufacturing overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Large Corporations only hiring contract workers and refusing to pay benefits, isn't that Capitalism.

Outsourcing jobs to prison workers, paying them 0.97cents per DAY and charging them $5.00/hr to make a call - isn't that Capitalism.

Maybe you can explain it better than your pet shop example, but Corporations making Billions and yet finding more ways to pay the workers less and less. Sounds like Capital-ism to me.

As for Trump, the big Corporations are paying him to do their bidding. You really think he is going to upset that apple cart or go against the hand that feeds him.

It is corporatism. It should be allowed, but there should be fines and taxes to out source. But since corporations run our govt., they get away with it. Capitalism would allow for it, but there would be a balancing measure to go a long with it. The corporations have removed the balancing measure with free trade agreements.

Trump is the only candidate to correctly and accurately mention the problem. Sanders tries, but shows he has no understanding of simple economics. The rest are status quo. Trump, if he wins, is just the President. His powers are limited to what can be done, and most likely he could get little done, but he is waking up the sleeping giant that is the frustrated and dying middle class.
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It's_my_time, no offense, my brother but you are using convoluted terms to try and throw smoke up into what is going on. Capitalism, corporatism..same ting. Corporations capitalising on maximal gains for profit. Are you saying that capitalism promises kumbaya? Give me an example of capitalism. The current definition I know is, an economic and political system where the country's trade and industry is controlled by private owners FOR PROFIT rather than the state. The keywords to be extracted from this is 'FOR PROFIT' and 'PRIVATE OWNERS'. Corporations are entities birthed by private ownership, are they not?

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(01-25-2016 12:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  It's_my_time, no offense, my brother but you are using convoluted terms to try and throw smoke up into what is going on. Capitalism, corporatism..same ting. Corporations capitalising on maximal gains for profit. Are you saying that capitalism promises kumbaya? Give me an example of capitalism.

No, they are not the same thing.

Capitalism - the engine is the small business and growing middle class.

Corporatism - the engine is large globalist corporations and a shrinking middle class.

The argument can be made that Capitalism morphs into Corporatism, but IMO, that is due to just handing out the right to vote to every uninformed idiot.
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^ It should be allowed or shouldn't be allowed?

Mentioning the problem and doing something about it, are two different things.

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(01-25-2016 12:14 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  No, they are not the same thing.

Capitalism - the engine is the small business and growing middle class.

Corporatism - the engine is large globalist corporations and a shrinking middle class.

The argument can be made that Capitalism morphs into Corporatism, but IMO, that is due to just handing out the right to vote to every uninformed idiot.

Where did you get that definition of capitalism from?

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