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I was speaking with an acquaintance last night who was very close to Harper, worked for him for over a decade, and remains good friends with him. He was having coffee with him last week, and said Harper looks 10 years younger and only laments his hope for Canada and its future. His happiness, according to my friend, is in seeing Canada's future align with its traditional values.

This same guy, who is now unemployed, has been meeting with Kevin O'Leary a bunch lately. They are doing a bunch of early research but it could look like a possibility that O'Leary will have a go at politics.

Its interesting times, and obviously the US election is going to set a lot of course for how the Canadian Conservatives look at the next four years.
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(02-19-2016 06:46 PM)da_zeb Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 04:38 PM)Nemausus Wrote:  It's been mostly quiet at the Federal level. I haven't seen any denouncements from any ministers. Ironically, it the Conservative Party's you-go-gurl Michelle Rempel was the only one to make a stink about this.

Michelle Rempel annoys me.

She reminds me of a younger, more bangable version of Michelle Bachman. Needs to drop about 20lbs though.
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You Canadian racists aren't doing enough to help out the poor refugees!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...-1.3453830

Syrian refugees say they feel trapped without adequate help


Quote:As B.C. prepares to welcome a "surge" of 1,100 Syrian government-assisted refugees, some of the families already in the province say support services are inadequate.

"It's been two months since I've requested just to have the exam for the English [course placement]," says government-assisted Syrian refugee Shadi Alradi, speaking through an interpreter.

Alradi moved into an apartment in Coquitlam a month ago.

It's already been two months, and in spite of having free everything, you bigots aren't doing enough. They still haven't learned English yet!!! How xenophobic can you get? What is the problem?

Quote:"The [Immigrant Services Society of B.C.] responded that they don't even have 15 minutes to talk with me ... This makes me feel frustrated and depressed since I don't have any more time to waste."

Alradi says he feels trapped in his home: He can't afford the bus fare to visit the library with his toddler, can't find help arranging for emergency dental treatment, and can't figure out when and if he will be enrolled in English courses.

His neighbour, Abeer Louaihaq, says she and her family "feel like strangers" because they haven't had an opportunity to learn English.

Why aren't you Canadian racists making these people feel more at home!! Just because you can't communicate with each other is no excuse! Only racists are held back by things like language barriers.

1,100 more Syrians on their way to B.C.


Quote:Settlement agencies will become even more stretched in the coming days.

ISSofBC director Chris Friesen says they're expecting an "arrival surge" of 1,100 government-assisted Syrian refugees in the next 10 days — more than the agency typically serves in a year — destined for communities across B.C.

You should consider yourself lucky to have such enrichment! Praise be to the diversity Gods.

Quote:Since Nov. 4, 2015, more than 1,770 Syrian refugees have arrived in B.C., 1,411 of them government-assisted.

Even though 75% of the refugees are receiving welfare, we all know without these refugees Canada will be unable to pay for their budget deficits and supply their labor force with adequate labor. Praise be to Allah for such blessed immigration.

'Insufficient resources on the ground'

Quote:Federal NDP immigration critic Jenny Kwan says it's not just refugees in permanent housing who are having trouble finding adequate support.

She says she has spoken to families who have been in limbo in hotels for more than a month.

"They still don't know what's going to happen to them, when they're going to resettle into permanent housing," she says.

"What we're seeing is there are insufficient resources on the ground to assist with the resettlement process."

But a bigot's work is never done. There are many more refugees who must be supported to atone for your racist sins. More money must be supplied to the agencies who will make sure the refugees can take the jobs Canadians don't need and don't want to do.

Now, get back to work, bigots!!

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If Kevin O'Leary goes for the Conservative Leadership and wins it could really shake up Canadian politics. He could definitely help the conservatives win back a lot of the fiscally conservative leaning small l liberals and I would think he'd keep the traditional Tory base locked down, not like they'd vote for anyone else. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and his general campaign gets rolling well, I bet he'll go for it. A lot of the 'sick of government incompetence' sentiment Trump is tapping into in the States exists up here too and he'd get an effective gameplan to follow from The Don.

The Conservative leadership convention isn't until May 2017, half a year after the American election, tons of time for him to see how Trump is progressing and Canadian's reaction to him. So far he's getting blasted up here by the media, and most people my age just accept that view without really knowing anything. Hopefully that'll change as people learn more and when the conservative media outlets inevitably change their tune if Trump becomes the Republican nominee.

Here's a great interview O'Leary did with MacLeans

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/i...ve-leader/

So much good work could get done here with an O'Leary led Conservative majority coupled with a Trump Presidency. Those two businessmen working with each other would just pragmatically get stuff done.

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(02-19-2016 10:30 PM)QuietDog Wrote:  If Kevin O'Leary goes for the Conservative Leadership and wins it could really shake up Canadian politics. He could definitely help the conservatives win back a lot of the fiscally conservative leaning small l liberals and I would think he'd keep the traditional Tory base locked down, not like they'd vote for anyone else. If Trump gets the Republican nomination and his general campaign gets rolling well, I bet he'll go for it. A lot of the 'sick of government incompetence' sentiment Trump is tapping into in the States exists up here too and he'd get an effective gameplan to follow from The Don.

Except there is a very revealing comment in that MacLean's interview (thanks for posting the link btw):

Kevin O'Leary Wrote:There’s no need to build walls in Canada. We’re a very inclusive society. We’re very proud of it, every Canadian feels that way, you don’t have to debate that mandate. There’s a populist movement afoot [in the U.S.] . . . that he’s tapped into that doesn’t exist in Canada.

That's pretty presumptuous of Mr. O'Leary, and wrong. I'm one Canadian counter-example. I didn't like when Rona Ambrose said Trump's views aren't welcome in her Conservative party and I don't like this comment by O'Leary. These snotty Laurentian elites need to figure out that they can't make something true about Canadians just by saying it out loud and then declaring the debate settled. And I suspect O'Leary knows what he's saying isn't true and he is, in fact, attempting to shape Canadian public opinion by stating it in a cucked out MSM outlet like MacLean's. I'm really getting sick and tired of these elites telling us that debates are settled. If they're so damn confident in their opinions then they need to have the courage to debate them.

No Mr. O'Leary, this debate is not settled. Close Canada's borders. We don't want any rapefugees. And those of us raising young daughters will fight you ferociously on this issue. We have a God-given right to do so, and we will assert that right.

Fuck Kevin O'Leary. He's a cuck. Fuck him and Rona Ambrose. Being a conservative is not just about cutting taxes and these snobs need to learn that.

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(02-19-2016 09:50 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You Canadian racists aren't doing enough to help out the poor refugees!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...-1.3453830

Syrian refugees say they feel trapped without adequate help


Quote:As B.C. prepares to welcome a "surge" of 1,100 Syrian government-assisted refugees, some of the families already in the province say support services are inadequate.

"It's been two months since I've requested just to have the exam for the English [course placement]," says government-assisted Syrian refugee Shadi Alradi, speaking through an interpreter.

Alradi moved into an apartment in Coquitlam a month ago.

It's already been two months, and in spite of having free everything, you bigots aren't doing enough. They still haven't learned English yet!!! How xenophobic can you get? What is the problem?

Great post Samseau. Head of nail, meet hammer. Why are we even considering granting the legal permission to work and earn money in Canada to people who cannot speak English? I'll tell you why. Because of Quebec. The language tyranny forced on this country by one Pierre Elliot Trudeau, i.e. bilingualism through force of law, was a disastrous mistake and the chickens are coming home to roost. The average Canadian has been so brow-beaten and demoralized by forced bilingualism from Ottawa that he no longer feels like he is entitled to expect his employees to speak English. He feels like, in demanding that they speak English, he may be called a racist by some SJW bureaucrat. I'm saying this, and I'm bilingual and I spent over 6 years living in Quebec City. I went through a romance with la belle province. I'm over it now and my eyed are wide open.

A guy named Reed Scowen wrote a great book about what we need to do with Quebec, it's called, "Time to Say Goodbye".

http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Say-Goodbye-Bu...0771079818

Time to say goodbye indeed.

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Who the fuck would build a wall in Canada? The place is vast, cold and full of randy moose who will fuck you till you die. If Canada wants to import into their city enclaves then let them, it'll make the problems more obvious.
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(02-20-2016 07:44 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Who the fuck would build a wall in Canada? The place is vast, cold and full of randy moose who will fuck you till you die. If Canada wants to import into their city enclaves then let them, it'll make the problems more obvious.

This is how a real Canadian deals with a randy moose bro...





I just want to build a wall around Quebec. Hopefully Emperor Trump will do it after he annexes English Canada and tosses buckets of water on Rachel Notley and Kathleen Wynne, causing them to melt, just like he did to Megyn Kelly.

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Brian Lilley just did a great job on this subject:





http://www.therebel.media/liberal_refuge...es_exposed

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(02-19-2016 06:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 06:44 PM)da_zeb Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 07:37 PM)kosko Wrote:  Canada's entry into the G7 was dependent on that move. Canada was forced to give up credit controls of the BoC or be denied entry,l. You could argue if it was worth it (it wasn't) but Canada got a seat at the big kids table which has inflated it's global importance ever since. I don't even think Canada is in the top 15 economies let alone top 7/8, it has no business being in the G-7/8 but it is and gets to massage influence on the group when possible.

Mulroony is the guy who runied things. NAFTA was the biggest economic mistake in our nations history. It literally bankrupted us and we still haven't recoverd from it in full.

Canada is the 11th largest economy in the world just behind Italy, India, and Russia. I think the main reason Canada is in the G7 is that the US wanted to reduce European influcence within the Group.

#11 in nominal GDP yes, but with more accurate PPP GDP rankings Canada is #16.

And the only G7 countries ahead of Canada in PPP GDP rankings are the US and Germany, the rest being little banking or oil states. So by your original criteria, the UK, France, Japan, and Italy have even less right to be in the G7.
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(02-20-2016 10:46 AM)da_zeb Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 06:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 06:44 PM)da_zeb Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 07:37 PM)kosko Wrote:  Canada's entry into the G7 was dependent on that move. Canada was forced to give up credit controls of the BoC or be denied entry,l. You could argue if it was worth it (it wasn't) but Canada got a seat at the big kids table which has inflated it's global importance ever since. I don't even think Canada is in the top 15 economies let alone top 7/8, it has no business being in the G-7/8 but it is and gets to massage influence on the group when possible.

Mulroony is the guy who runied things. NAFTA was the biggest economic mistake in our nations history. It literally bankrupted us and we still haven't recoverd from it in full.

Canada is the 11th largest economy in the world just behind Italy, India, and Russia. I think the main reason Canada is in the G7 is that the US wanted to reduce European influcence within the Group.

#11 in nominal GDP yes, but with more accurate PPP GDP rankings Canada is #16.

And the only G7 countries ahead of Canada in PPP GDP rankings are the US and Germany, the rest being little banking or oil states. So by your original criteria, the UK, France, Japan, and Italy have even less right to be in the G7.

Where you getting your data? All Original G7 nations are far head of Canada.

Canada is quite consistent in the 14-16 range on most lists for GDP-PPP each tally.

France, Russia, Italy, are all ahead of Canada, as well as South Korea, Mexico, Indonesia, etc [1].
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(02-20-2016 07:54 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2016 07:44 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Who the fuck would build a wall in Canada? The place is vast, cold and full of randy moose who will fuck you till you die. If Canada wants to import into their city enclaves then let them, it'll make the problems more obvious.

This is how a real Canadian deals with a randy moose bro...





I just want to build a wall around Quebec. Hopefully Emperor Trump will do it after he annexes English Canada and tosses buckets of water on Rachel Notley and Kathleen Wynne, causing them to melt, just like he did to Megyn Kelly.

That pussy needs to get pistol whipped for leaving a wounded moose at the trailside.
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(02-20-2016 04:47 PM)Laner Wrote:  That pussy needs to get pistol whipped for leaving a wounded moose at the trailside.

Moose white knights were on the scene forthwith. They immediately formed hashtags to deal with the situation. Dark Witch Sarkeesian was, of course, outraged.

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Conservatives can’t win by being the party of angry old men

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If the federal Liberals are to be, for the foreseeable future, a party of the centre-left, then what are the implications for Conservatives? As old-guard Tories, Prairie conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians converge on Ottawa this week for their annual Manning Centre confab, it seems a timely question.

There will, of course, be a great deal of pussy-footing around this weekend about what most Conservatives understand to be true, in the wake of last October’s drubbing.

Immutable truth No. 1: Granddad, it’s time for you to take a step back. Conservatives can’t win by being the party of angry old men who shake their fists at reporters, endearing though such cantankerousness may be.

Immutable truth No. 2: Lynton Crosbie’s niqab gambit, if indeed that was the Australian consultant’s brainchild, was an unmitigated disaster. The party can’t win without support from new Canadians and ethnic and linguistic minorities, by the hundreds of thousands.

Immutable truth No. 3: The Harper Conservatives were always more Harper than conservative. The party can’t win unless it stands for principles that are coherent and consistent, distinct from its competitors’ and popular enough to push its vote share from 30 per cent, its rock-solid base, to 40 per cent or more, assuming a continuation of Canada’s first-past-the-post electoral system.


Here’s the good news, for Conservative supporters: There is a way forward that addresses each of these points, and is in fact being eased by the Liberal and New Democratic parties’ own strategic shifts. And the bad news: It requires candid self-examination and a transformation in mindset, something for which Conservatives have in the recent past shown no appetite.

The backdrop, as I wrote about last time, is that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now leads a de facto coalition of the Canadian centre-left that has absorbed all the electoral gains made by New Democrats in the Jack Layton era, while drawing in several million new voters, with support across all age ranges. Trudeau triangulates the electorate in a way few others could: Left-leaning Baby Boomers remember his dad, while Left-leaning millennials appreciate his youthful vibe. It remains to be seen how long this will last — but for now, he is a political force to be reckoned with.

[Image: harper_airport.jpg?w=620&quality...;amp;h=465]

One consequence of the new Liberal coalition, though, is that it prevents this PM from confidently straddling the centre-right as Grits such as Jean Chretien, Paul Martin, John Manley and Frank McKenna once did. Former leadership candidate Martha Hall Findlay and, paradoxically, former New Democrat and Liberal interim leader Bob Rae, were the last remaining standard-bearers for the Liberal party’s conservative wing. Both have left politics.

This opens up the great opportunity for the Conservative party, which is to do what Trudeau once seemed inclined to do but has not done: That is to embrace moderate libertarianism, cutting right and left simultaneously, in the process reclaiming the “progressive” mantle set aside following the Mulroney years from 1984 to 1993, and appropriating the fiscal street cred of Chretien Liberalism.

This is not a Frankenstein monster, for all its strangeness in the recent Canadian context: It’s classical liberalism. There’s evidence the party is already moving in this direction, in Parliament anyhow. The foundation is there. What’s needed is a push.

Such a party would be unabashedly pro-free-trade, as the Conservatives have long been, to their credit. It would add the next logical step, strong advocacy for free competition and consumer protection, which Conservatives have not yet done. This would mean pressing for an end to supply management in milk and dairy, which raises the cost of living across the board and is particularly harmful to those on fixed and low incomes.

Such a party would be firmly pro-Canadian military and pro-veteran, advocating for an independent, robust foreign policy backed up by a small, expertly trained and superbly equipped army, air force and navy, funded at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization standard of two per cent of GDP, rather than the current one per cent. As the Conservative party is already now doing, such a party would advocate for a comprehensive role, which includes combat, in the global war against radical Islamism.

Such a party would advocate for responsible, effective, pragmatic environmental policy, leading with a push to develop safe new sources of carbon-free mass energy, especially nuclear, that could among other things reduce the carbon footprint of extracting bitumen from the oil sands. Such a party would advocate for pipelines unequivocally, seeking to build popular support rather than remaining neutral, based on the voluminous evidence that alternative modes of transport are dirtier and riskier.

Such a party would be enthusiastically pluralistic, embracing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the values enshrined in it, which have bi-partisan roots in John G. Diefenbaker’s 1960 Bill of Rights, and a compassionate refugee policy. Here too the foundation already exists, in the Conservative response thus far to the Trudeau government’s Syrian refugee initiative, which has been constructive.

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(02-21-2016 02:21 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  
Michael Den Tandt Wrote:Conservatives can’t win by being the party of angry old men

This opens up the great opportunity for the Conservative party, which is to do what Trudeau once seemed inclined to do but has not done: That is to embrace moderate libertarianism, cutting right and left simultaneously, in the process reclaiming the “progressive” mantle set aside following the Mulroney years from 1984 to 1993, and appropriating the fiscal street cred of Chretien Liberalism.

This is not a Frankenstein monster, for all its strangeness in the recent Canadian context: It’s classical liberalism.

Summary of Michael Den Tandt's thesis:

Since the Liberals have decided to become the NDP in order to claim Jack Layton's voters, the Conservatives should become the Liberals, because Canadians don't really need a truly conservative option, and I work for a cucked out MSM outlet that really hates conservatives anyway, and all of us in the media are really scared of what's going on in the USA with this icky Trump character. <shudder>


Fuck you Michael Den Tandt you ignorant cuck. It's not a "Frankenstein monster"... it's just more of the contemptible cuckoldry we've come to expect from you.

Thank you for writing Michael. We expect to see more of your cuckoldry in your articles tomorrow.

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Going way back to Scotian's original post.

Western Canada gets a raw deal, as does the east coast, as does the north, including northern ontario. Back in the day, there was unity and leverage of the far flung reaches of canada because the massive amounts of money flowing from mines, fisheries, paper mills, oil fields and steel mills were controlled by canadian corporations, with corporate headquarters somewhere between toronto and montreal as well as unions that had solidarity with the far flung regions. Massive companies like Domtar paper had the ear of canadian politicians and they did not want policies that fucked with their remote operations and remote workers.

Now, there is no canadian ownership and unions only exist to support government workers and teachers. Canadian government no longer serves voters and business, it just serves voters and those are in southern ontario, vancouver, montreal and calgary. So what if the oil patch turns over or canada's forests are essentially owned the china and south asians? Thats maybe 10,000 voters affected on the forestry side.

The separatist movement is on the rise again in ontario's far north, western canada and hopefully quebec once again. Canada would be much better if broken up and the resource provinces turned into US states which have far more independence. Every alberta cowboy and manitoba redneck would love to be under american gun laws than tim hortons tyranny...which is american as apple pie now since burger king and warren buffet bought it.

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Quebec Mines are fully controlled by Indians corporations (Tata) or Chinese (Wisco, Century)..however there is the new Champion project that is giving me some hope.
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^^ The question is - who sold out these companies to foreign investors?

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(02-21-2016 09:07 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Canada would be much better if broken up and the resource provinces turned into US states which have far more independence. Every alberta cowboy and manitoba redneck would love to be under american gun laws than tim hortons tyranny...which is american as apple pie now since burger king and warren buffet bought it.

That was brilliant. As I keep saying... Trump should annex English Canada and build a wall around Quebec. Although I'm kidding about the second part (SATIRE! ... sort of), it IS time for English Canada to say goodbye to Quebec. We should offer them a choice:

1) Either they join Canada on Canada's terms, or

2) They leave Canada

If given that choice and held to a referendum, Quebeckers will choose option #2. If they are never given such an ultimatum, they will simply continue to threaten to separate every few years, and then vote no to separation, because they like the goodies. Reed Scowen compared Quebec to a frigid wife living in a nice mansion. She hates her husband but she doesn't want to stop "living in the style to which she has become accustomed." So every time she wants something, instead of giving her husband good sex and treating him well, she threatens divorce, knowing that he hates the idea of hiring lawyers and fighting it out in court. She has her lawyer draft up papers and begin proceedings, but then when her husband caves and pays for a cruise or buys her a new car, she has her lawyer stand down. Until the next time.

English Canada needs to give Quebec an ultimatum...pack your bags... or spread your legs.

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(02-22-2016 10:16 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^^ The question is - who sold out these companies to foreign investors?

Canadians sold these companies to americans in the early 90s. Americans then went international. Those international american companies them dumped smaller properties that were bought by chinese or SE asian....forestry specifically speaking.

At least in the forestry sector. Back in the 90s canadian forestry firms were entering into mergers with US forestry companies. That was a first wave of shit shows and disconnected ownership.

After that last forestry downturn, the american (I say 'american' only in so far that they are international companies with american Headquarters) owners shut down individual mills that they thought were money losers. As you would expect, some chinese or south eastern company thought they could turn a money loser into a winner and so bought these older mills. Part of the reason they can run them is that they are flying under the radar of environmental groups and customers that make crazy environmental demands. No one in china gives a fuck if a birds nest was destroyed in the making of a roll of toilet paper.

This expansion was allowed by NAFTA at first. Before that there were strict requirements on wood exports and processing requiring products to be processed in canada by companies with X percent of canadian ownership.

edit: Let me add on an american comparison here. The american forestry sector underwent consolidation during the same time period in the 90s but the mills that were shut down were not sold. They were just shuttered, salvaged and bulldozed. They weren't subsequently sold to fully foreign owners.

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Dr. Howard's posts are spot on. Canada has now allowed it's resource sector to be a playground for foreign companies to manipulate for their own gain, whereas in the past Canadian companies would be the ones using a strong protected homegrown position in order to play internationally and then bringing the profits back home.

Such a shame, forestry firms were economic behemoths here, the life blood of small towns with strong urban local HQs and creating wealth that many families enjoy still to this day (which helps a lot of families stay middle class today, otherwise small town BC would be a lot more bleak). A large chunk of pre-80s influential businessmen and politicians in this province could be traced back to logging keeping all that resource wealth within the province and not siphoned away. MacMillian Bloedel was able to use its comfortable protected BC base to expand internationally, and the main man behind the company contributed a lot locally before his death (still a few institutions named after him standing). Environmentalists and NAFTA environment of the 90's weakened the company and the local economy to the point where they brought in an American executive who ended up selling the company a few years later after gutting it and pocketing 15 million for himself.
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(02-22-2016 11:01 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 09:07 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Canada would be much better if broken up and the resource provinces turned into US states which have far more independence. Every alberta cowboy and manitoba redneck would love to be under american gun laws than tim hortons tyranny...which is american as apple pie now since burger king and warren buffet bought it.

That was brilliant. As I keep saying... Trump should annex English Canada and build a wall around Quebec. Although I'm kidding about the second part (SATIRE! ... sort of), it IS time for English Canada to say goodbye to Quebec. We should offer them a choice:

1) Either they join Canada on Canada's terms, or

2) They leave Canada

If given that choice and held to a referendum, Quebeckers will choose option #2. If they are never given such an ultimatum, they will simply continue to threaten to separate every few years, and then vote no to separation, because they like the goodies. Reed Scowen compared Quebec to a frigid wife living in a nice mansion. She hates her husband but she doesn't want to stop "living in the style to which she has become accustomed." So every time she wants something, instead of giving her husband good sex and treating him well, she threatens divorce, knowing that he hates the idea of hiring lawyers and fighting it out in court. She has her lawyer draft up papers and begin proceedings, but then when her husband caves and pays for a cruise or buys her a new car, she has her lawyer stand down. Until the next time.

English Canada needs to give Quebec an ultimatum...pack your bags... or spread your legs.

Sucks that Canada wants to be independant from us!
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(02-22-2016 09:20 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  
(02-22-2016 11:01 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 09:07 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Canada would be much better if broken up and the resource provinces turned into US states which have far more independence. Every alberta cowboy and manitoba redneck would love to be under american gun laws than tim hortons tyranny...which is american as apple pie now since burger king and warren buffet bought it.

That was brilliant. As I keep saying... Trump should annex English Canada and build a wall around Quebec. Although I'm kidding about the second part (SATIRE! ... sort of), it IS time for English Canada to say goodbye to Quebec. We should offer them a choice:

1) Either they join Canada on Canada's terms, or

2) They leave Canada

If given that choice and held to a referendum, Quebeckers will choose option #2. If they are never given such an ultimatum, they will simply continue to threaten to separate every few years, and then vote no to separation, because they like the goodies. Reed Scowen compared Quebec to a frigid wife living in a nice mansion. She hates her husband but she doesn't want to stop "living in the style to which she has become accustomed." So every time she wants something, instead of giving her husband good sex and treating him well, she threatens divorce, knowing that he hates the idea of hiring lawyers and fighting it out in court. She has her lawyer draft up papers and begin proceedings, but then when her husband caves and pays for a cruise or buys her a new car, she has her lawyer stand down. Until the next time.

English Canada needs to give Quebec an ultimatum...pack your bags... or spread your legs.

Sucks that Canada wants to be independant from us!

We don't. I would prefer it if Quebec chose option #1. If we simply wanted to be independent, we would not bother with an option. The point I'm making is that, if forced to make a choice, Quebec will choose to leave. I lived there for 6 years and I read this book:

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http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Say-Goodbye-Bu...0771079818

The author, Reed Scowen, was a Member of the National Assembly (provincial member of parliament) of Quebec from 1978 to 1987, representing the electoral district of Notre-Dame-de-Grâce as a member of the Quebec Liberal Party. He later acted as an economic advisor to former Premier Robert Bourassa, and as delegate general for Quebec in London, New York and Washington. During his political career, Scowen advocated hard for Quebec to remain in Canada. He has abandoned such advocacy, and so have I, and for the reasons I detailed in my last post.

Here is a passage from the end of Scowen's book that eloquently articulates the problem and the solution...

Reed Scowen Wrote:I understand that some people will reject my proposition for logical reasons, because they see things differently. They think that the constitutional crisis is about to end, or that it’s good for us. But for the rest of the country, for those who think that what I am saying makes some kind of sense, it will be necessary to find a “healthy mythology” to replace the current myths that still tie us to the place called “ Quebec .” I have found one that works for me. It takes me back to Europe , where, a century ago, my ancestors made an even more profound break with the myths of their collective past and got in a boat bound for the New World . A new myth had captured them, the myth of a land of opportunity. And – here’s the point – immigration to Canada based on this ideal continues unabated up to the present day. I believe that the people who come here are special, different from their brothers, sisters, and cousins who preferred to remain at home. I’m talking both about those who arrived in the eighteenth century and those who got here last week. I believe these people understand that they are cutting their ties with a homeland, with a familiar culture that was finding its expression in the state where they lived, to seek opportunity – equal opportunity. I think they deserve to find it here. If they come to Quebec , they find themselves in New France , a European-style nation-state, alive and well in the New World . But if they come to Canada , they have arrived in “ America ,” and I’m not talking about the United States . I’m talking about an idea – a fresh start, on an equal basis, in a new place. It’s the vision, the mythology, of immigrants that has defined that word America . It’s about what they bring with them and how they behave, towards each other and towards those who were already here when the immigrants arrived. I think it’s time for us to reclaim the American idea for Canadians, too, as “the solid base of what we are.” It belongs to us, and we have hesitated to apply it to ourselves for far too long. So I’d like to put the question clearly. In your heart, do you believe that the Constitution and the laws of your country should give special recognition to a single linguistic, cultural, and ethnic group, the French, now and forever? The laws of Quebec do this today, and the francophone Quebecers will never accept the Canadian Constitution as legitimate until it, also, includes that recognition. I don’t agree with them. This is a matter of principle. We have a difficult but necessary and worthwhile journey ahead of us that we must take without them. They have a different destiny. It’s time for them to go their own way. We’re all immigrants here. I’ll settle for the idea of “fairness” as a base on which to construct my project. And as for myth, I’ll take “ America ” – a vision of people from every part of the world, joined in a political association that transcends nationality, here in Canada . You can build on that.

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(02-22-2016 07:08 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Dr. Howard's posts are spot on. Canada has now allowed it's resource sector to be a playground for foreign companies to manipulate for their own gain, whereas in the past Canadian companies would be the ones using a strong protected homegrown position in order to play internationally and then bringing the profits back home.

Such a shame, forestry firms were economic behemoths here, the life blood of small towns with strong urban local HQs and creating wealth that many families enjoy still to this day (which helps a lot of families stay middle class today, otherwise small town BC would be a lot more bleak). A large chunk of pre-80s influential businessmen and politicians in this province could be traced back to logging keeping all that resource wealth within the province and not siphoned away. MacMillian Bloedel was able to use its comfortable protected BC base to expand internationally, and the main man behind the company contributed a lot locally before his death (still a few institutions named after him standing). Environmentalists and NAFTA environment of the 90's weakened the company and the local economy to the point where they brought in an American executive who ended up selling the company a few years later after gutting it and pocketing 15 million for himself.

This is what really blows my mind. Canada's resources are mostly public owned properties that get paid royalties for extraction. Idiot government bureaucrats are making deals for resource extraction licences with foreign companies...literally giving away canada's wealth.

The corruption in the deals must be extreme. Imagine if you were a chinese company setting up a multi million (multi billion maybe?) dollar mine in the middle of remote northern canada and the only people standing in your way were a deputy minister with a $200k/year salary and an elected member of parliament serving as minister. Neither of the government officials have a personal stake in the mineral rights, they have no motivation to make a good deal unlike if those mineral rights were already owned by another private entity.

And yes, companies like Macmillian Blodel, Abitibi, Domtar and EB Eddy were all Canadian family owned forestry corporations that eventually sold out and the wealth left the provinces they were based in. Tembec is one of the few ones left, but thats only because its employees bought it from bankruptcy.

The mining names were Noranda, Falconbridge, Inco, Placer Dome all Canadian companies running big mines that all went to shit between 2000 and 2006. They either folded or were bought out.

The steel names were ones like Dofasco, Stelco and Algoma steel were all also bankrupt or bought out between 2004 and 2007

Well holy shit, I'd never looked up the dates before but this turnover literally all happened between 1998 and 2007. Before 1998 most of these big canadian resource companies were canadian owned, and after 2008 they are all foreign owned. Canada lost control of its resources in 10 short years.

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(02-22-2016 10:20 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  The mining names were Noranda, Falconbridge, Inco, Placer Dome all Canadian companies running big mines that all went to shit between 2000 and 2006. They either folded or were bought out.

I work as a contractor in private sector strike security and I worked as an investigator for Inco during a big strike in 2002. I was locked down with the managers on a site in Sudbury and I overheard them talking about how the company allowed negotiations to fall apart and result in strike action on purpose so that the price of nickel would rise on the global market. That price rise was bought at the expense of the miners who were out on the picket lines. You are bang on about the corruption in Canadian business and the stunning incompetence of the bureaucrats. I can't wait for Trump to become President and start kicking ass. Hopefully it will have a ripple effect up here. Ideally, he will just annex English Canada. I want to live in America!

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