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Yup and no one gives a shit, Alberta is like the red headed stepchild of confederation. I read on the CBC today that Calgary has the highest unemployment rate in the country, followed by Edmonton and about 2/3 of the country just voted for political parties that want to outright shutdown the oil and gas industries (NDP/Green) or choke it out of existence (Liberals).

Now, I do realize that Alberta in some ways shoots itself in the foot by electing dickheads like Jason Kenny, who are about as popular as a genital wart in other provinces but I also think that Canadians are an ungrateful bunch. It was all good when oil was up and the transfer payments were flowing (well, they still are), Alberta was the place where many people came to start high paying careers, from ditch digging labourers to business executives. Now we’re on hard times and the whole country basically gave us a big kick in the balls, thanks Canada.

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(11-02-2019 07:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  Yup and no one gives a shit, Alberta is like the red headed stepchild of confederation. I read on the CBC today that Calgary has the highest unemployment rate in the country, followed by Edmonton and about 2/3 of the country just voted for political parties that want to outright shutdown the oil and gas industries (NDP/Green) or choke it out of existence (Liberals).

Now, I do realize that Alberta in some ways shoots itself in the foot by electing dickheads like Jason Kenny, who are about as popular as a genital wart in other provinces but I also think that Canadians are an ungrateful bunch. It was all good when oil was up and the transfer payments were flowing (well, they still are), Alberta was the place where many people came to start high paying careers, from ditch digging labourers to business executives. Now we’re on hard times and the whole country basically gave us a big kick in the balls, thanks Canada.

Its generally the fault of urban dwelling idiots that don't realize that the foundations their cities are built on came from natural resources.

Ontario has prime examples, the ring of fire project that was a huge mining potential that got crippled by morons, indian entitlement and environmentalists. Same goes for forestry when city dwellers set aside huge sections of land for parks that no one uses (more on that below). That land locks up timber from forestry.

Beyond the urban idiots, there are the elitists. This was a light bulb that some old guy told me that I never thought of. For example, politicians create some gigantic nature reserve in Northern Ontario. They ban even having roads in the nature preserve because of 'environmental preservation'

The park opens and tourist operators build grand lodges at the edge of the park and offer 'fly in fishing and canoeing' for tourists.

Who are the only people who can afford that? Rich people. They have created a paradise for themselves under the guise of environmentalism.

Regular plebians with boats on trailers attached to pickups have to use roads to get to lakes to go fishing. Can't do that where there are no roads, and also can't live near nice areas where there aren't any mining or fishing activities to provide jobs.

If you want to read a longer history of this, research Temagami Ontario. This northern ontario town has fantastic pine forests, which were the site of logging protests in the 1990s. The government turned it into a park in response. Fast forward 30 years and rich americans have bought up the islands and own 10k per kid summer camps that fly in rich kids from north america.

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(10-25-2019 10:39 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 06:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Politicians have sold the country out a long time ago.

I agree, the watershed sellout being either Mulroney or Martin as prime minister. I would argue that Mulroney started it but Martin finished it off.

Do you know what Mulroney and Martin had in common, in terms of their backgrounds, and where they came from?

They were both employees and right hand men of Paul Desmarais.

As were PE Trudeau and Chretien. And across the Pond, Sarkozy's career was also launched and supported by Desmarais.

Basically all the main prime ministers in recent times except for Harper were his men. Harper was sponsored by western oligarchs.

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(11-02-2019 08:38 PM)911 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 10:39 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 06:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Politicians have sold the country out a long time ago.

I agree, the watershed sellout being either Mulroney or Martin as prime minister. I would argue that Mulroney started it but Martin finished it off.

Do you know what Mulroney and Martin had in common, in terms of their backgrounds, and where they came from?

They were both employees and right hand men of Paul Desmarais.

As were PE Trudeau and Chretien. And across the Pond, Sarkozy's career was also launched and supported by Desmarais.

Basically all the main prime ministers in recent times except for Harper were his men. Harper was sponsored by western oligarchs.

This is a very significant fact about Canadian political power.

911, I'd like to get your opinion on something... allow me a bit of preamble first.

The previous election I figured Trudeau was going to win. I was also not too bothered by it, because I figured that a "moderate" leftist would be able to grease the groove for pipelines in a way that a "conservative" would not (media cover, somewhat good graces with crazy lefties, etc). Mostly I thought that the Desmarais family would want pipelines to go through, since they like making money and controlling industry.

Boy, could I have not been more wrong.

So I'm trying to figure out why Trudeau's handlers let him go so left, in such an economically devastating way (something, despite their other faults, Liberal leaders tend to not do).

What do you think is the Desmarais end game? Or is there also a Chinese influence to consider just as much?
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(11-02-2019 02:19 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 07:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  Yup and no one gives a shit, Alberta is like the red headed stepchild of confederation. I read on the CBC today that Calgary has the highest unemployment rate in the country, followed by Edmonton and about 2/3 of the country just voted for political parties that want to outright shutdown the oil and gas industries (NDP/Green) or choke it out of existence (Liberals).

Now, I do realize that Alberta in some ways shoots itself in the foot by electing dickheads like Jason Kenny, who are about as popular as a genital wart in other provinces but I also think that Canadians are an ungrateful bunch. It was all good when oil was up and the transfer payments were flowing (well, they still are), Alberta was the place where many people came to start high paying careers, from ditch digging labourers to business executives. Now we’re on hard times and the whole country basically gave us a big kick in the balls, thanks Canada.

Its generally the fault of urban dwelling idiots that don't realize that the foundations their cities are built on came from natural resources.

Ontario has prime examples, the ring of fire project that was a huge mining potential that got crippled by morons, indian entitlement and environmentalists. Same goes for forestry when city dwellers set aside huge sections of land for parks that no one uses (more on that below). That land locks up timber from forestry.

Beyond the urban idiots, there are the elitists. This was a light bulb that some old guy told me that I never thought of. For example, politicians create some gigantic nature reserve in Northern Ontario. They ban even having roads in the nature preserve because of 'environmental preservation'

The park opens and tourist operators build grand lodges at the edge of the park and offer 'fly in fishing and canoeing' for tourists.

Who are the only people who can afford that? Rich people. They have created a paradise for themselves under the guise of environmentalism.

Regular plebians with boats on trailers attached to pickups have to use roads to get to lakes to go fishing. Can't do that where there are no roads, and also can't live near nice areas where there aren't any mining or fishing activities to provide jobs.

If you want to read a longer history of this, research Temagami Ontario. This northern ontario town has fantastic pine forests, which were the site of logging protests in the 1990s. The government turned it into a park in response. Fast forward 30 years and rich americans have bought up the islands and own 10k per kid summer camps that fly in rich kids from north america.

It’s interesting that you mentioned the Ring Of Fire because I recently read a G&M article saying that the entire project is unviable and that Ford is an idiot for promoting it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...e-ring-of/

Quote: The Ontario government has repeatedly played up the prospects for the region with breathless assertions about the supposedly stratospheric value of minerals in the ground, and an apparent bonanza of jobs and economic benefits that lie in wait for locals.

In a throne speech nine years ago, then-premier Dalton McGuinty’s Liberal government zeroed in on the Ring of Fire as one of the keys to reviving Ontario’s sputtering economy.

In 2013, his successor, Kathleen Wynne, started claiming the mineral deposits were worth upwards of $60-billion.

That same year, Tony Clement, then federal minister responsible for northern Ontario’s economic development, likened the financial impact of the Ring of Fire to Alberta’s oil sands. In an interview with Huffington Post Canada, Mr. Clement claimed the riches could generate as much as $120-billion for the economy.

During the 2018 provincial election campaign, Mr. Ford’s Progressive Conservatives promised to "finally, open up the incredible resources of our North, starting by cutting through the special-interest and bureaucratic delays blocking us from developing the Ring of Fire.”

There’s only one problem with all these grand pronouncements about this crescent-shaped mineral discovery about 550 kilometres northeast of Thunder Bay: It’s mostly aspirational hogwash.

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This is a great article and is exactly what Alberta needs to do, leverage it’s economic might, and explore unique solutions. Expands on what I posted earlier.

https://business.financialpost.com/diane...um=ios_app
Quote:Alberta must adopt Quebec’s playbook and become a “nation” within a nation or threaten to leave. The ballot box does not work and Alberta is Canada’s breadwinner, but is treated like a stepchild.


Step one is for Alberta to demand the immediate construction of the TMX pipeline and the scrapping of Bills C-48 and C-69. No delays.

Then Alberta should stage a referendum before Christmas 2019 on opting out of, or revamping, Canada’s unjust equalization system. (Since 2010, Ottawa has taken an average of over $20 billion a year out of Alberta; Quebec receives $13 billion, or two-thirds of every dollar in the federal equalization program.) It’s a bribe to Quebec with Alberta money which is why Justin Trudeau recently extended the system to 2024 — an extension which should be nullified.

Some say such a referendum won’t force renegotiation, but it cannot be ignored either. Referenda have provided Quebec with leverage.

Then Alberta must take steps toward autonomy: Withdraw from the Canada Pension Plan, subsidized heavily by the province due to its high incomes and youthful demographics. Quebec did this in 1966. If Alberta withdrew, its workers and employers would pay half the CPP premiums they now pay and the rest of Canada would have to pay at least 10 per cent more. Alberta would then get tens of billions from its share of the $440-billion CPP fund to invest in new projects.

Alberta should, as Quebec did, take control from the federal government of all tax collection, border control, policing and immigration in return for lower taxes. It should serve notice to Ottawa that it is opting out of any new health and social programs, thus keeping the money in Alberta. (In 2015, the NDP proposed to let Quebec alone do this).


Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba should warn the Trudeau government that punitive carbon taxes on provinces unwilling to go along with their draconian climate change policy, won’t be obeyed. This is in their “national interest” and could cost as much as $35 billion a year, bankrupting many of western Canada’s industries and farms. Ontario’s too.

Next, Alberta must sponsor two projects, initiated by First Nations: One carrying oil by rail or pipeline from the oilsands to Valdez and another carrying oil by pipeline from Alberta to British Columbia, then Alaska. Both projects would follow routes pre-approved by local First Nations, bypassing Ottawa’s meddling completely. Then Alberta must work with Manitoba to establish a pipeline and oil port in Churchill to ship oil to the east coast or Europe. All projects are viable that Alberta and investors could finance.

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(11-03-2019 01:37 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 08:38 PM)911 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 10:39 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 06:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Politicians have sold the country out a long time ago.

I agree, the watershed sellout being either Mulroney or Martin as prime minister. I would argue that Mulroney started it but Martin finished it off.

Do you know what Mulroney and Martin had in common, in terms of their backgrounds, and where they came from?

They were both employees and right hand men of Paul Desmarais.

As were PE Trudeau and Chretien. And across the Pond, Sarkozy's career was also launched and supported by Desmarais.

Basically all the main prime ministers in recent times except for Harper were his men. Harper was sponsored by western oligarchs.

This is a very significant fact about Canadian political power.

911, I'd like to get your opinion on something... allow me a bit of preamble first.

The previous election I figured Trudeau was going to win. I was also not too bothered by it, because I figured that a "moderate" leftist would be able to grease the groove for pipelines in a way that a "conservative" would not (media cover, somewhat good graces with crazy lefties, etc). Mostly I thought that the Desmarais family would want pipelines to go through, since they like making money and controlling industry.

Boy, could I have not been more wrong.

So I'm trying to figure out why Trudeau's handlers let him go so left, in such an economically devastating way (something, despite their other faults, Liberal leaders tend to not do).

What do you think is the Desmarais end game? Or is there also a Chinese influence to consider just as much?

Desmarais blocked projects for a Windsor-Quebec high speed rail project, a relatively short corridor where the majority of Canadians live, thus a highly strategic and economically viable national infrastructure project. He did this because he was in the bus business...

This kind of tells you about his motives and priorities. He's heavily invested into China, owning a piece of CITIC, a huge financial industrial globalist conglomerate.

WRT oil, the main angle of top globalists like Desmarais is the trillion dollar carbon rights trading action. Putting artificial restrictions on oil production and use helps make those carbon rights more valuable.

From a bigger picture oligarchic perspective, a weaker, poorer populace is much preferable and easier to control that a strong affluent middle class. That's one of the main motivations of outsourcing to China, or blocking a project like the tar sands national pipeline, which would have resulted in a huge windfalls for Alberta and the rest of the nation. I wouldn't be surprised if he and other oligarchs had a role in poo-pooing and blocking the Ring of Fire project Scotian mentioned above.

Oligarchs like Desmarais fund environmental groups which push for the global warming racket that they have created from scratch. Look up Maurice Strong, the founder of the IPCC, and a protege of the Desmarais and Rockefellers (those oligarchs are very tight together).





They LOVE turning resource rich areas into national parks and making life miserable on homesteaders and ranchers through the funding of environmentalists and through bureaucratic red tape.

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Didnt know where to post this but while reading the groyper thread, I came across something in the news that relates to it.

Looks like this form of Turning Point "Progressive" (code word for faggotry) Conservatism is trying to take place politically up north.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mackay-...-1.5341633

Basically Peter MacKay was a major minister during the Harper years. Currently he is blaming the Conservatives loss over social issues. Really? What social issues were the conservatives against? Scheer repeated multiple times he would not bring up abortion debate and did not want to change the laws. He then not advocate to repeal same sex marriage. Sounds progressive to me so what social progress was left? What so Scheer has to march in every pride parade like the cuck Trudeau? Maybe he should have walked in a parade in drag in order to one up Trudeau.

No the real reason the conservatives lost was because the whole GTA has been swamped by people voting for their benefit of their tribe at the expense of whitey. At the end of the day, money talks. Every muslim, black, indian etc person is voting to get more benefits for their race. Trudeau could have said he would sodomize every 10th male of the paki community in Canada and they would would still vote in droves for him as long as he offers more welfare and child tax benefit.
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MacKay is a cunt. So yes, nothing he says is viable. Probably he mixed in some small percentage of truth to perfectly muddy the waters of his statements.

GTA is not swarmed at the expense of whitey. Scheer was more content to campaign against Bernier in QC than plead his case with the "new Canadians" in the GTA. Previously, Harper's Tories made giant inroads with such communities and that likely won them their election.

The Muslims and Indians in the GTA are not de facto Liberal supporters.
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(11-03-2019 09:40 AM)scotian Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 02:19 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 07:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  Yup and no one gives a shit, Alberta is like the red headed stepchild of confederation. I read on the CBC today that Calgary has the highest unemployment rate in the country, followed by Edmonton and about 2/3 of the country just voted for political parties that want to outright shutdown the oil and gas industries (NDP/Green) or choke it out of existence (Liberals).

Now, I do realize that Alberta in some ways shoots itself in the foot by electing dickheads like Jason Kenny, who are about as popular as a genital wart in other provinces but I also think that Canadians are an ungrateful bunch. It was all good when oil was up and the transfer payments were flowing (well, they still are), Alberta was the place where many people came to start high paying careers, from ditch digging labourers to business executives. Now we’re on hard times and the whole country basically gave us a big kick in the balls, thanks Canada.

Its generally the fault of urban dwelling idiots that don't realize that the foundations their cities are built on came from natural resources.

Ontario has prime examples, the ring of fire project that was a huge mining potential that got crippled by morons, indian entitlement and environmentalists. Same goes for forestry when city dwellers set aside huge sections of land for parks that no one uses (more on that below). That land locks up timber from forestry.

Beyond the urban idiots, there are the elitists. This was a light bulb that some old guy told me that I never thought of. For example, politicians create some gigantic nature reserve in Northern Ontario. They ban even having roads in the nature preserve because of 'environmental preservation'

The park opens and tourist operators build grand lodges at the edge of the park and offer 'fly in fishing and canoeing' for tourists.

Who are the only people who can afford that? Rich people. They have created a paradise for themselves under the guise of environmentalism.

Regular plebians with boats on trailers attached to pickups have to use roads to get to lakes to go fishing. Can't do that where there are no roads, and also can't live near nice areas where there aren't any mining or fishing activities to provide jobs.

If you want to read a longer history of this, research Temagami Ontario. This northern ontario town has fantastic pine forests, which were the site of logging protests in the 1990s. The government turned it into a park in response. Fast forward 30 years and rich americans have bought up the islands and own 10k per kid summer camps that fly in rich kids from north america.

It’s interesting that you mentioned the Ring Of Fire because I recently read a G&M article saying that the entire project is unviable and that Ford is an idiot for promoting it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...e-ring-of/

Quote: The Ontario government has repeatedly played up the prospects for the region with breathless assertions about the supposedly stratospheric value of minerals in the ground, and an apparent bonanza of jobs and economic benefits that lie in wait for locals.

In a throne speech nine years ago, then-premier Dalton McGuinty’s Liberal government zeroed in on the Ring of Fire as one of the keys to reviving Ontario’s sputtering economy.

In 2013, his successor, Kathleen Wynne, started claiming the mineral deposits were worth upwards of $60-billion.

That same year, Tony Clement, then federal minister responsible for northern Ontario’s economic development, likened the financial impact of the Ring of Fire to Alberta’s oil sands. In an interview with Huffington Post Canada, Mr. Clement claimed the riches could generate as much as $120-billion for the economy.

During the 2018 provincial election campaign, Mr. Ford’s Progressive Conservatives promised to "finally, open up the incredible resources of our North, starting by cutting through the special-interest and bureaucratic delays blocking us from developing the Ring of Fire.”

There’s only one problem with all these grand pronouncements about this crescent-shaped mineral discovery about 550 kilometres northeast of Thunder Bay: It’s mostly aspirational hogwash.

Globe and Mail being...urban typists. Ring of fire mining companies were willing to go ahead until it got to negotiations with the indians. They were making insane demands like 50% of the profits as royalties and threatening road blockades. They said forget it.

The province was also idiotic. This is typical of crown land managers though. The mines wanted the province to put in money to help build all weather roads to the mines, which would also provide road access to reserves that are currently only winter road access. The province didn't want to go in, the mines were like...you want us to pay ALL of the money to build roads that you will then mandate are public use?

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(11-05-2019 02:33 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  MacKay is a cunt. So yes, nothing he says is viable. Probably he mixed in some small percentage of truth to perfectly muddy the waters of his statements.

GTA is not swarmed at the expense of whitey. Scheer was more content to campaign against Bernier in QC than plead his case with the "new Canadians" in the GTA. Previously, Harper's Tories made giant inroads with such communities and that likely won them their election.

The Muslims and Indians in the GTA are not de facto Liberal supporters.

hmm maybe your right. I was actually talking to friends over in Toronto about the election. My Indian and Chinese friends all voted conservative. Especially my Chinese friends who were all 2nd generation (and 2nd generation of poor Chinese that came over; not those rich commie nationals). They actually were most excited for the PPC candidate but voted conservative just so they would not split the vote. It appears the younger generations that grow up here care about what happens to their tax money and do not drink the liberal kool aid. But I grew up in the Muslim community and know full well they will vote liberal in droves no matter how many generations past.
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Many Asians vote conservative, the ridings in the GTA that the CPC won have a large Asian pop. Same goes for Metro Vancouver, with the CPC winning Richmond and another heavy Korean riding in Coquitlam using a drop in candidate from Ontario lol (which is undergoing a recount officially requested by the NDP)

Looks like Kenney and Alberta is looking at leaving the CPP and going it’s own ala Quebec, their portion is $40B, and they pay in a lot more than they take out (lower working age than the ROC in addition to a workforce predominantly male). This gives Alberta significant leverage as the rest of Canada knows Alberta leaving the CPP results in the ROC paying a higher % increase in contributions.

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(11-07-2019 08:44 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Many Asians vote conservative, the ridings in the GTA that the CPC won have a large Asian pop. Same goes for Metro Vancouver, with the CPC winning Richmond and another heavy Korean riding in Coquitlam using a drop in candidate from Ontario lol (which is undergoing a recount officially requested by the NDP)

Looks like Kenney and Alberta is looking at leaving the CPP and going it’s own ala Quebec, their portion is $40B, and they pay in a lot more than they take out (lower working age than the ROC in addition to a workforce predominantly male). This gives Alberta significant leverage as the rest of Canada knows Alberta leaving the CPP results in the ROC paying a higher % increase in contributions.

And if reddit Calgary hold any truth, most of the screeching lefties in Alberta - who are somehow all still employed - are going to leave. Win/win, fucking win.
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I wouldnt have expected this to happen in some small town in Manitoba but maybe in the diverse halls of a school in a big city.

Kicking students out of class for refusing to wear homo poppies. Canada seems to be leading the clown world race to hell.
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(11-07-2019 01:19 PM)Laner Wrote:  And if reddit Calgary hold any truth, most of the screeching lefties in Alberta - who are somehow all still employed - are going to leave. Win/win, fucking win.

Reddit Calgary/Edmonton/Alberta = bunch of insufferable cunts

This thread is a goldmine of public servant transplants whining about not being “welcomed”, complaining about trans rights, government pay programs, public service pay (the highest in Canada), “culture” and lack of socialism. Even calling for a carpet bombing of Medicine Hat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comment...um=ios_app

They all look down on O+G industry and rigpigs, and are surprised when the same workers are souring on them for their arrogance and nerve to blame them for the downturn

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(11-08-2019 07:58 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  
(11-07-2019 01:19 PM)Laner Wrote:  And if reddit Calgary hold any truth, most of the screeching lefties in Alberta - who are somehow all still employed - are going to leave. Win/win, fucking win.

Reddit Calgary/Edmonton/Alberta = bunch of insufferable cunts

This thread is a goldmine of public servant transplants whining about not being “welcomed”, complaining about trans rights, government pay programs, public service pay (the highest in Canada), “culture” and lack of socialism. Even calling for a carpet bombing of Medicine Hat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comment...um=ios_app

They all look down on O+G industry and rigpigs, and are surprised when the same workers are souring on them for their arrogance and nerve to blame them for the downturn

Good Lord its terrifying to know that the government workers hold the private sector in such low esteem.

If AI can slash their shitty jobs out of the system I would be all for it. CYBERNET be damned.
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(11-05-2019 02:33 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  MacKay is a cunt. So yes, nothing he says is viable. Probably he mixed in some small percentage of truth to perfectly muddy the waters of his statements.

GTA is not swarmed at the expense of whitey. Scheer was more content to campaign against Bernier in QC than plead his case with the "new Canadians" in the GTA. Previously, Harper's Tories made giant inroads with such communities and that likely won them their election.

The Muslims and Indians in the GTA are not de facto Liberal supporters.

hmm maybe your right. I was actually talking to friends over in Toronto about the election. My Indian and Chinese friends all voted conservative. Especially my Chinese friends who were all 2nd generation (and 2nd generation of poor Chinese that came over; not those rich commie nationals). They actually were most excited for the PPC candidate but voted conservative just so they would not split the vote. It appears the younger generations that grow up here care about what happens to their tax money and do not drink the liberal kool aid. But I grew up in the Muslim community and know full well they will vote liberal in droves no matter how many generations past.

I'm surprised to hear that about the Muslims/Indians/Pakistanis. A lot of my childhood friends, and some of my current friends/clients fit into this category, though they are mostly all middle-upper class and non-practicing... and they either don't vote or lean conservative.

Definitely some liberal supporters in there, but very few. Most of the people I know are from AB, so maybe that makes a difference.
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(11-07-2019 08:44 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Many Asians vote conservative, the ridings in the GTA that the CPC won have a large Asian pop. Same goes for Metro Vancouver, with the CPC winning Richmond and another heavy Korean riding in Coquitlam using a drop in candidate from Ontario lol (which is undergoing a recount officially requested by the NDP)

Looks like Kenney and Alberta is looking at leaving the CPP and going it’s own ala Quebec, their portion is $40B, and they pay in a lot more than they take out (lower working age than the ROC in addition to a workforce predominantly male). This gives Alberta significant leverage as the rest of Canada knows Alberta leaving the CPP results in the ROC paying a higher % increase in contributions.

Many - as in many black Americans vote Republicans. Sure buddy - keep telling yourself that. The rates are all the same all across the West - Democrats, social welfare pushers and open-borders-tards get the most votes:

   

It's the same with other ethnicities. And they may be conservative in their own lives or even in the elections in their homecountries, but certainly not when they vote in the West. Muslims are also a great example in the West - they could be voting for sharia-parties in Turkey while giving their votes to the marxist trannie-greens in the West.
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^ with all due respect, I don't think you understand the entirety of the second and third generation brown and asian immigrants to Canada.

We are not talking about American latinos or blacks. And we are not talking about desperately wanting to appear "not racist", or making dumb statements that Republicans made for years about "natural Republican voters" in minorities.

I grew up around these people, they were my friends, I was invited into their homes and met their parents and saw how they lived. Granted, like I said above, it was mostly in Alberta. But even in Vancouver and Toronto I connected with such people. To this day I stay connected with most of them, and do business with some of them.

If you go to a social gathering in Canada, and there are brown, asian, and white people... the MOST likely extreme leftists will be the white people. The least likely people to be on board with the gay agenda are the brown and asian people. And if you want people hip to the JQ, again, the brown and asian people have no problem talking about this (at least behind closed doors). In fact, long before I joined this forum, in high school, the first time I heard about JQ was from my brown friends.

The right leaning parties in our country absolutely need to involve themselves in the brown/asian enclaves, and ennoble the younger sharp dudes who want to be politically active from within those communities. I mean, I would prefer them to start businesses and do other stuff, but this thread is about Canadian politics so there you go.

Of course, I am not making the claim that ALL asian/brown Canadians will vote right, or even the majority of them. But there is a very sizable and significant minority that can swing elections ESPECIALLY in Ontario. Remember that GTA isn't just downtown sodomite Toronto but the surrounding burbs like Mississauga, Brampton and Etobicoke. Those are battleground ridings between Liberals and Cons, fought by ethnic candidates on both sides.
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< The idea that the most radical and most lefties ones are White is only correct if you take a look at the extremes in a White dominated state with plenty of fellow Whites. Sure - you have plenty of fellow Whites and plenty of radicals, but if only Whites had voted in the US, then Trump would have won almost all states in the US.

There may be some minor differences, but the majorities usually go with the anti-Whites - so all left-wing parties that are proposing more open borders for their cousins. Some ethnicities are generally more socialist minded. A few rare exceptions like the Sikhs do not really matter. And even among them in the UK it's barely a 53% majority vs a massive majority among the native English on issues like Brexit.

Anacdotes don't matter - real stats. Personally if I only relied on my own experiences then I wouldn't know anything about group behavior patterns, because I usually meet with good or smart people and men. An engineer from Togo and a the doctor from Nigeria I know are not exactly representative...

The same thing is applied in the more mixed Canadian regions. You get certain voting patterns which are more complicated than in the dual system of the US or other countries, but the end-result is not some kind of conservative closed-borders behavior of upkeeping Anglo-Canadian European values. Maybe if you closed the borders for 200 years, then you might get an issue-based partisan voting behavior. But even then - race will likely factor in just the same because all countries have a dominant cultures and those apart from it are not overly fond of it.

Canada is already an almost post-national nation - it will likely be somewhat stable due to recourses, ample room and Chinese immigration and influence, but with the likes of Trudeau in power the future does not look so bright. And the globalists are not going to allow anyone to secede either.

And once again - as for extreme left - it does not matter - I know that most US blacks are more conservative on many values than White liberals (gays, LGBTQ, Red Pill men etc), but they still vote far left as a default for other reasons.
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(11-09-2019 03:50 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Anecdotes don't matter - real stats.

Go look up the voting results from the last 3 elections in the GTA, especially the ridings I mentioned. In many cases, it is two ethnics competing against each other (one for Liberal party, one for Conservative party). In the last two elections the Liberals won the majority of seats but even in losses the Con party is right there in second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of...d_Oakville
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of...m_and_York

Here are the names of some of the Conservative candidates: Pawanjit Gosal (2nd, with 27% votes in riding), Ramona Singh (2nd with 24% votes), Babar Saroya (won, with 49% votes), Hani Tawfilis (2nd with 33% votes), Michael Chong (won, with 47% votes... in fairness this guy is half Chinese - half European).

Please stop using US and UK examples, I'm trying to tell you they are a lot less relevant than you wish them to be in this discussion.

The Canadian political right would be absolutely foolish to give up on these ethnicities in these areas.
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I have mixed feelings on this.

My experience is with TFAP. Most immigrants I know are pretty conservative, save the European and Americans. Chinese especially are the ones at school board meeting yelling til midnight against progressive agendas.

But then take away the cities vote and Canada is pretty conservative outside the freeloading maritime. Which is indicative that most immigrants in cities vote progressive. Asian girls vote with the herd. Indian girls are insufferable feminists likely because Indian men are unabashedly masculine.

I too am surrounded by conservative people, even in Vancouver. A few sit a bit on the fence in public and will never admit anymore to ANY conservative words. And in today superficial environment this is good enough.
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Keep in mind that a solid 25-30% of Canada’s population is in Quebec which isn’t Anglo and vote in their own interests, which in last month’s election saw the separatist Bloc Québécois make big gains. They’re socialist in many ways but also nationalist which we can see by their high taxes and generous welfare benefits but also their banning of religious symbols and making immigrants pass a values test.

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(11-09-2019 04:41 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(11-07-2019 08:44 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Many Asians vote conservative, the ridings in the GTA that the CPC won have a large Asian pop. Same goes for Metro Vancouver, with the CPC winning Richmond and another heavy Korean riding in Coquitlam using a drop in candidate from Ontario lol (which is undergoing a recount officially requested by the NDP)

Looks like Kenney and Alberta is looking at leaving the CPP and going it’s own ala Quebec, their portion is $40B, and they pay in a lot more than they take out (lower working age than the ROC in addition to a workforce predominantly male). This gives Alberta significant leverage as the rest of Canada knows Alberta leaving the CPP results in the ROC paying a higher % increase in contributions.

Many - as in many black Americans vote Republicans. Sure buddy - keep telling yourself that. The rates are all the same all across the West - Democrats, social welfare pushers and open-borders-tards get the most votes:
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With all due respect Zel I was just giving local context, see my signature for the real endgame and reality in the big picture, in total agreement.

2019 results,

Richmond Centre, Alice Wong CPC 49% of the vote, 1.4% PPC 52% population of Chinese descent https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond..._district)

Steveston-Richmond East, Kenny Chiu CPC 41% of the vote, 47% Chinese
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steveston—Richmond_East

Markham Unionville, Bob Saroya CPC 48.9% of the vote, PPC 1.6%, 57% Chinese
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markham—Unionville

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Don Cherry is a national treasure


It’s disheartening to see the lack of poppies here downtown, a trip to the suburbs seeing a bunch of people actually wearing them fixes that thought

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