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(02-21-2017 10:44 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Your text implies that "someone" who "knows better" "oughta make a law". Bullshit.

Howard is right.

The scaremongering to diversify the economy is always done by leftists looking for more government involvement (ie. more waste, inefficiency, and kickbacks).

Don't disagree that as a country we will decide how the dice rolls with regard to our economy.

Can you prove empirically or explicitly that a non diversified economy is better than a diversified economy? Especially when it's deregulated? Nobody is calling for governmental intervention here.

I'd suggest not reading too much between the lines as well. My statement is at face value.
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(02-21-2017 10:04 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  I hear your criticisms of the Irvings and they are valid, but it sounds a lot like hating the player instead of hating the game.

"Game" implies the existence of a level playing field, or at least the pretense thereof. That is absolutely not the case with Irving. They massively overcharge on maintenance contracts and then cut every corner that they feel they can get away with in terms of job quality - and when I say 'cut corners', I mean to the point where it unnecessarily puts the lives of Canadian sailors at extreme risk, risk that would not exist were it not for their robber-baron mentality.

I have seen, with my own eyes, frigates that had supposedly 'completed refits' out of service for months afterwards with supplemental work having to be done because the quality of Irving's work is so poor that it threatened catastrophic failure of any number of systems onboard. Of course, because the Navy is so chronically underfunded, and because Irving holds massive political clout in the Maritime provinces, we have virtually no other choice but to work with them. They have absolutely zero problem prioritizing their profit margins over the lives of Canadian sailors, and I can personally attest to this with my own eyes.

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(02-21-2017 07:45 PM)911 Wrote:  
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(02-21-2017 06:07 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I've clearly done myself a disservice by never venturing outside of Ontario to date...

Take a road trip to Montreal and Quebec City this summer!

Let me know if you are going. Maybe we can arrange a meetup.

Likewise. If you're after college bootie though, keep in mind that school is out by mid-may, and the kids won't stick around.

I'm in!
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(02-21-2017 11:25 PM)komatiite Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 08:43 PM)kosko Wrote:  What are Canada's oil royalty rates on average?

New system was just introduced starting Jan 1 and it is actually a great improvement on the last Alberta system. Basically the NDP had no idea WTF to do so they brought in this guy to do their new royalty system, he is a rational industry guy not a political hack:
http://arcfinancial.com/team/research/peter-tertzakian/

This is how it works: after a new well is drilled you pay 5% flat royalty holiday rate until you reach a certain threshold called C*. For wells with TVD <2000 metres:
C*($) = 1,170*(TVD-249) + 800*TLL + 0.6*TVD*TPP
TVD is true vertical depth, TLL is total lateral length, TPP is total proppant placed (frack sand volume). Say you have a C* of 800,000. Once your well makes revenue of $800,000 based on raw produced volume times oil price (at wellhead, this doesn't mean the income the company gets, so if you're getting fucked by Tervita on battery treating or whatever you don't get a break) you have Paid Out your C*...

Once your C* pays out you get the "Post C*" royalty rates where the royalty rate depends on the price of oil. In the old system, you would pay basically 40% once oil was above $50 a bbl (USD). The new royalties don't actually reach 40% unless oil is over $100 a bbl. Right now with oil in the $50 range you pay about 20% royalty. Note that royalties are taken off right at the wellhead, not post-processing or anything.
The new framework also will give you a royalty reduction when the well naturally declines below 40 BOEs a day (which assumes a 6000:1 energy equivalent for a scf of gas to bbl of oil). This basically will drop your royalty from the current peak of 20% down to a minimum floor of 5% once the well is grinding out its final days. (Edit -- I should clarify. Not a sudden 15% drop. It's a gradual decline in royalty rate directly tied to oil rate decline)

C* is based on industry average drilling prices so if you can innovate and drill cheap, then you will enjoy a more economically advantageous royalty holiday when your well is at max rate in its early days.

it is a good common sense improvement for these current times -- you have these unconventional horizontal wells that come on at 500 bopd and then decline to 20 bopd rapidly. This gives companies more incentive to drill especially during low price times. Stunned the NDP allowed Tertzakian to develop this but at the end of the day the People of Alberta will benefit due to increased drilling when compared to uneconomic scenarios under the Stelmach framework that made drilling unatttactive. Hope that makes sense. I haven't worked much in Sask so I don't know their system that well but it's comparable to the Alberta one.
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(02-21-2017 03:15 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 01:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I'm starting to think most of the issues we have in Canada have to do with the politics, culture, and economics of Ontario. How correct am I with this assumption?

Let's not forget that we have it pretty damn good in Canada as a whole (relative to most of the world). But it's still about making the most of it. I'm tired of being in the GTA, so I'm considering moving elsewhere to another province and major city.

I'm all ears to suggestions.

I can only comment on Manitoba. Winnipeg is either hipsters, native gangs or biker gangs in the bad areas. Its still liveable though and a unique place. The rest of Manitoba is conservative christian. Rural manitoba was settled by quaker/mennonite types way back when and their families continue on in the christian tradition.

Manitoba/winnepeg is also deceptive that its got easy access to America. Minneapolis is as close as any other major canadian city, and flights out of winnipeg are direct to many bigger US destinations.

Weather wise, very cold winters but sunny summers.

Youre really generalizing. I'm from rural Manitoba and Mennonites are an extremely small part of the population. Yes there are pockets of them but they mostly keep to themselves.
Christianity, churches and religion are dying out in all small towns in the province. Like I'm sure they are in most parts of the developed world. I wouldn't call people conservative.
Rural Manitobans are still salt of the earth though, for the most part. Down to earth friendly people.
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(02-21-2017 11:03 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:04 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  I hear your criticisms of the Irvings and they are valid, but it sounds a lot like hating the player instead of hating the game.

"Game" implies the existence of a level playing field, or at least the pretense thereof. That is absolutely not the case with Irving.

It's not the case at all EVER in Canada. Indeed, expecting a smaller ship-building company to compete with the Irvings is like, say, expecting the Sun News Network to compete with the CBC.

But it's the bureaucrat who creates the crony, not the other way around. The Canadian bureaucrats rigged the game, the Irvings are just playing it. The problem is that the Canadian people don't give enough fucks to do anything about it. So our elected officials pander to the bureaucrats instead of the people.

Just like you can't blame Trump for exploiting free trade when he was a businessman, you can't blame the Irvings for exploiting crony capitalism. As in the case of Trump's rise to the Cherry Blossom Throne as God Emperor Ascendant, it's up to the people to make real change. I just don't think the people of Canada give enough fucks. I think they are happy with "Peace, Order, and Good Government", even if they are stuck in 1984 on an Animal Farm.

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(02-22-2017 02:40 AM)Luther Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 03:15 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 01:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I'm starting to think most of the issues we have in Canada have to do with the politics, culture, and economics of Ontario. How correct am I with this assumption?

Let's not forget that we have it pretty damn good in Canada as a whole (relative to most of the world). But it's still about making the most of it. I'm tired of being in the GTA, so I'm considering moving elsewhere to another province and major city.

I'm all ears to suggestions.

I can only comment on Manitoba. Winnipeg is either hipsters, native gangs or biker gangs in the bad areas. Its still liveable though and a unique place. The rest of Manitoba is conservative christian. Rural manitoba was settled by quaker/mennonite types way back when and their families continue on in the christian tradition.

Manitoba/winnepeg is also deceptive that its got easy access to America. Minneapolis is as close as any other major canadian city, and flights out of winnipeg are direct to many bigger US destinations.

Weather wise, very cold winters but sunny summers.

Youre really generalizing. I'm from rural Manitoba and Mennonites are an extremely small part of the population. Yes there are pockets of them but they mostly keep to themselves.
Christianity, churches and religion are dying out in all small towns in the province. Like I'm sure they are in most parts of the developed world. I wouldn't call people conservative.
Rural Manitobans are still salt of the earth though, for the most part. Down to earth friendly people.

I agree, I've been to both Brandon and Winnipeg and everyone there is very friendly. Girls are also huge sluts but down to earth and nice company.
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(02-21-2017 08:43 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  unions ONCE were a force to be reckoned with in this area, but they have neutered themselves with corruption at the leadership level. We need right-to-work legislation Scott Walker style to combat this.

To illustrate the point, although it's not a Canadian example, here is union corruption in all its repugnance right across the border.

Breitbart Wrote:Michigan Union Executives Removed Over Embezzlement Scandal

Michigan’s Service Employee International Union (SEIU) has confirmed it has removed two top officials from their positions amid an investigation into a large amount of money missing from the organization’s treasury.

The 9,000-member healthcare workers union announced that Union President Marge Robinson and the union’s secretary-treasurer Shalaya Bryant were summarily removed from office while the investigation into the missing funds continues.

The union refused to put a dollar amount on the missing money, but it is clearly substantial since the two well-known, and active officers of the union were removed from office.

“The union took steps to bring in trustees at the local and launch a pretty expansive investigation into what could have been going on here,” union trustee Inga Skippings told Fox 2.

The union said that the missing funds came to light after a whistleblower came forward to reveal abuse in the union’s vacation and financial loan policies.

“In 30 days there will be a hearing that lays out the findings, it will be open to the membership and we think about the next steps from there,” Skippings added.

SEIU secretary treasurer Shalaya Bryant earns an annual salary plus benefits of $103,493 a year, according to records. Margaret Robinson, though, earns far and away more than that as president of the Michigan chapter of the SEIU. Robinson takes in $209,889 annually according to records.

The Michigan SEIU lost 80 percent of its membership in recent years, due mainly to the state putting an end to the automatic skimming of union dues from healthcare workers’ paychecks, a law giving workers the first opportunity they’ve ever had to determine on their own if they wish to be union members or not.

Look at those fucking salaries. Jesus H. Christ. And they still felt entitled to embezzle. Un-fucking-believable.

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(02-21-2017 11:03 PM)jj90 Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:44 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Your text implies that "someone" who "knows better" "oughta make a law". Bullshit.

Howard is right.

The scaremongering to diversify the economy is always done by leftists looking for more government involvement (ie. more waste, inefficiency, and kickbacks).

Don't disagree that as a country we will decide how the dice rolls with regard to our economy.

Can you prove empirically or explicitly that a non diversified economy is better than a diversified economy? Especially when it's deregulated? Nobody is calling for governmental intervention here.

I'd suggest not reading too much between the lines as well. My statement is at face value.

Fair play, thanks for clarifying. It's hard to tell over the net.

I don't think it can be proved empirically one way or the other.

I do think that individual actors following their passion (or possibility for profits if they can provide value) will produce benefits all around.

All things don't have to be optimal at all times, in other words. Whatever "optimal" even means to each of us.

One province or community could go all-in on resources and develop much more efficient ways of using those resources, which extends the viability for longer than current projections can estimate. Another community could look to the future and develop service or tech. Maybe they lag now, but blossom when resource-heavy community hits a bump.

Some people will shuffle, most people will stay where they are. It seems like a normal ebb and flow to me.
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(02-22-2017 08:55 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 11:03 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:04 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  I hear your criticisms of the Irvings and they are valid, but it sounds a lot like hating the player instead of hating the game.

"Game" implies the existence of a level playing field, or at least the pretense thereof. That is absolutely not the case with Irving.

It's not the case at all EVER in Canada. Indeed, expecting a smaller ship-building company to compete with the Irvings is like, say, expecting the Sun News Network to compete with the CBC.

But it's the bureaucrat who creates the crony, not the other way around. The Canadian bureaucrats rigged the game, the Irvings are just playing it. The problem is that the Canadian people don't give enough fucks to do anything about it. So our elected officials pander to the bureaucrats instead of the people.

Agreed. We'd turn to dust waiting for any playing field to be level.

I'd judge a man by his willingness to admit that a system is not ideal, even when he succeeds at it. For the most part I'm starting to think that many successful people would be successful no matter what system they are in.

Could be different levels of success. In the Soviet Union it might mean getting a humble dacha. In modern day Canada it might mean defacto ruling an entire province.

The really humble and successful people I know hate the bureaucrats and the modern sheep, but then they put their heads down and work the angles to enrich their families. They could easily compete in a less crony system; in fact they'd innovate even more. But for now what's the point in being poor and/or in a jail cell to prove the validity of your ideals?
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(02-22-2017 12:45 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 02:40 AM)Luther Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 03:15 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 01:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I'm starting to think most of the issues we have in Canada have to do with the politics, culture, and economics of Ontario. How correct am I with this assumption?

Let's not forget that we have it pretty damn good in Canada as a whole (relative to most of the world). But it's still about making the most of it. I'm tired of being in the GTA, so I'm considering moving elsewhere to another province and major city.

I'm all ears to suggestions.

I can only comment on Manitoba. Winnipeg is either hipsters, native gangs or biker gangs in the bad areas. Its still liveable though and a unique place. The rest of Manitoba is conservative christian. Rural manitoba was settled by quaker/mennonite types way back when and their families continue on in the christian tradition.

Manitoba/winnepeg is also deceptive that its got easy access to America. Minneapolis is as close as any other major canadian city, and flights out of winnipeg are direct to many bigger US destinations.

Weather wise, very cold winters but sunny summers.

Youre really generalizing. I'm from rural Manitoba and Mennonites are an extremely small part of the population. Yes there are pockets of them but they mostly keep to themselves.
Christianity, churches and religion are dying out in all small towns in the province. Like I'm sure they are in most parts of the developed world. I wouldn't call people conservative.
Rural Manitobans are still salt of the earth though, for the most part. Down to earth friendly people.

I agree, I've been to both Brandon and Winnipeg and everyone there is very friendly. Girls are also huge sluts but down to earth and nice company.

Aside from the thug culture that Winnipeg has in the grungier parts, Winnipeg is a nice city. Cold as fuck though.

Never stayed in Brandon or rural Manitoba for very long, but I know a few girls from rural Manitoba and they pop out babies almost as fast as the natives
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Tarek Fatah is badass and alpha as fuck.

Tarek Fatah Wrote:A bounty on my head, I’m a virtual prisoner in Delhi

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For the past few weeks I have been a virtual prisoner inside my Delhi Hotel, unable to walk out or attend any public event unless accompanied by “security.”

Threats by Islamic clerics that I had initially shrugged off as false bravado have turned out to be serious after one cleric pronounced on my TV show that I was a “kafir,” an apostate from Islam that, under some interpretations of sharia law, allows any Muslim to kill me, as stated unambiguously by a Canadian Islamic cleric.

A week earlier, another Islamic cleric from Kolkata, while addressing me on a live, televised debate, boasted, “you will soon be beheaded.”

Then, on Sunday, I was attacked by a mob of nearly 100 Islamist extremists at a culture festival ostensibly celebrating Urdu poetry and literature.

Other progressive writers of Muslim background have faced such threats and quite justifiably left India.

I chose to stand my ground because I feel it is worth the risk to stand up to Islamist bullies, who threaten violence and then act as if Islamophobia is the problem and not Islamofascism.

But the worst was yet to come.

I woke up Tuesday morning to read the Times of India reporting that an Islamic cleric had put a bounty on my head as well as that of Dr. Subhas Chandra, the head of India’s leading TV news network, Zee News.

What was my crime?

Turns out my hosting of a TV talk show on Dr. Chandra’s network on Saturday nights during prime time has made me a popular household name and a sought-after celebrity, of sorts.

The show is an all-Muslim, no-hold-barred discussion forum called “Fatah Ka Fatwa” (Fatah’s Fatwa).

On it, we grapple with issues that for centuries have never been fully discussed openly in public, outside the confines of Muslim homes.

These include polygamy, child marriage, the institution of Muta’a (a temporary marriage that provides a theological cover for prostitution) and contempt for “kafirs”, meaning non-Muslims.

Many Muslims, primarily loyal to the Islamic Ummah rather than to their country of citizenship, came pouring out to protest.

A petition was filed in the Delhi High Court to halt the show while the country’s broadcasting authority was asked by some Islamic clerics to intervene, but to no avail.

They had reckoned they could scare me, but I had called their bluff and all they could do now was threaten me on the show and even shower insults on my daughter.

After all their legal attempts failed, it seems the mullahs have decided to try to do what they do best, browbeat and physically bully me, a secular, liberal Muslim, into silence.

As I contemplate several death threats and the bounty placed on my head, I can’t help but wonder about Motion 103, now before our House of Commons, wherein Mississauga Liberal MP Iqra Khalid would have us believe, the real threat to our communities is “Islamophobia” — not Islamic radicals hell bent on killing in the name of Islam.

Then there was this gem from a Canadian Muslim who wrote in the Toronto Star that Islamic sharia “may be the best tool we have to counter the violent and anti-modern narratives of (Islamic) extremists.”

That caused me to ROFLMAO! (Roll on the floor laughing my arse off!)

God bless Tarek Fatah and keep him safe.

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Tarek Fatah, Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, etc all have fatwas on their heads but Muslims need Bill 103 to protect them from Islamophobia.

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(02-21-2017 06:07 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I've clearly done myself a disservice by never venturing outside of Ontario to date...

Take a road trip to Montreal and Quebec City this summer!

Let me know if you are going. Maybe we can arrange a meetup.

Likewise. If you're after college bootie though, keep in mind that school is out by mid-may, and the kids won't stick around.

I'm in!

Taking a road trip at the least to Quebec is looking good, especially if Quebec City/Sherbrooke is as decent a place as you guys say. Work hard for a few more months then head west. Kevin O'Leary and I might have to take french classes together.

Sherbrooke being close to US for trips is a huuuuge plus if I ever moved there.

Montebello Rockfest in June has Rammstein, Queens of the Stone Age, Megadeth, The Offspring, Alexisonfire, and Killswitch Engage just to name a few. That's too good to pass up.

I'm under 25, got a shitty looking but good performing car and a few grand.

Would love to meet up with you guys if possible. I've been stuck in Newfieland way too long.
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Anybody interested in joining a Telegram chat group to organize this emerging meetup in La Belle Province?

PM me if so.

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(02-23-2017 09:29 AM)Jones Wrote:  
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(02-21-2017 06:45 PM)scotian Wrote:  Take a road trip to Montreal and Quebec City this summer!

Let me know if you are going. Maybe we can arrange a meetup.

Likewise. If you're after college bootie though, keep in mind that school is out by mid-may, and the kids won't stick around.

I'm in!

Taking a road trip at the least to Quebec is looking good, especially if Quebec City/Sherbrooke is as decent a place as you guys say. Work hard for a few more months then head west. Kevin O'Leary and I might have to take french classes together.

Sherbrooke being close to US for trips is a huuuuge plus if I ever moved there.

Montebello Rockfest in June has Rammstein, Queens of the Stone Age, Megadeth, The Offspring, Alexisonfire, and Killswitch Engage just to name a few. That's too good to pass up.

I'm under 25, got a shitty looking but good performing car and a few grand.

Would love to meet up with you guys if possible. I've been stuck in Newfieland way too long.

You definitely have to get off da rock b'ye, its a right of passage for us Atlantic Canadians, our people have been goin' down the road for ages. The east coast is nice but it gets boring and there's a whole country out there to discover, just down't be like every other east coast dick head who goes to northern Alberta (like I did haha) because that place sucks even more, unless you're only after money. My advice is to find a cool spot to work at, preferably a place where you'll be surrounded by pussy, check out the website https://www.workaway.info/, there's tons of opportunities there to work at places like youth hostels and other tourist places. I would go to Quebec or maybe BC, again since you're young, no one will give a shit if you're broke and drive a beater car. If you go to a place like that from May until October, you'll have a great time. That's what I did when I lived in Sherbrooke back in 2005, I sub-letted a room in a house near the Universite de Sherbrooke and paid $200/month rent and worked at a local call centre, good times. Another option to check out if you're a recent graduate is the Explore program, I did that at l'Universite de Montreal back in 2001 and was surrounded by poon. There's a bunch of other government programs like Katimivik, where the government sends kids all over the place to volunteer, although you may end up in some random shit hole. Anyway, its all about getting the fuck out of your small town, I can't believe that so many Canadians don't do it, I wish I did it more when I was younger, to be a broke ass kid again would be great!

Ghost Tiger, I'm definitely down for a Montreal meet up once the weather warms up and the skirts come out!

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Wow...is Canada fucked? An anti-Islamophobia motion was passed unanimously by the Legislative Assembly of Ontario.

Meanwhile, a Canadian reporter had this to say...

Quote:Here’s why I fear Islam, Prime Minister

With the greatest respect to Justin Trudeau, Liberal MP Iqra Khalid and the federal Liberal caucus, it’s none of your damn business whether I have a fear of Islam, which is what “Islamophobia” means.

As a Jew, my fear of Islam -- pertaining specifically to that malignant and widespread strain of it that hates Jews -- is completely rational.

But even if it was irrational, it is not the business of the government to tell me how I should FEEL about anything.

That’s what dictatorships (many of them Islamic, which have driven Jews out of their countries) do.

In a democracy, the proper role of government is to prevent me from ACTING in a bigoted manner towards Muslims because of my feelings, regardless of whether they are rational.

I am also capable of fearing that malignant and widespread strain of Islam that hates Jews, while being outraged by the massacre of innocent Muslims peacefully praying in a Quebec mosque.

I condemn that vile ACT, along with all ACTS of anti-Muslim bigotry, which have nothing to do with my rational fear of that malignant and widespread strain of Islam that hates Jews.

I also condemn the death threats my Sun colleague, Tarek Fatah, a Muslim, constantly faces from followers of Islam for his views critical of Islam as it is practised in large parts of the Islamic world, including by some Muslims in Canada.

My fear of that malignant and widespread strain of Islam that hates Jews is well-founded.

In the modern era alone, I can draw a line from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, siding with Hitler and the Nazis in the Second World War, starting in November, 1941, to Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, calling the Jewish state of Israel a “fake” nation and a “dirty chapter” of history on Tuesday.

I can quote from the 1988 Jew-hating charter of Hamas, the elected government in Gaza, which says: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it ...

“Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious ... The (Islamic Resistance) Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah’s victory is realized.”

“Hamas has been looking forward to implementing Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: ‘O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!’

“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Israel is an Islamic Waqf, consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered; it or any part of it, should not be given up.”

“Initiatives and so-called peaceful resolutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement ...

“Leaving the circle of struggle with Zionism is high treason and cursed be he who does that ... ’’

Finally I can cite diatribes from imams in Canada who are frequently exposed calling for death to the Jews in their sermons and describing the Jewish people as “filth”.

So don’t tell me, Prime Minister, that I have no right to fear that malignant but widespread strain of Islam that hates Jews.
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Well if any of you guys find yourselves in the general area of Vancouver I'd like to sit over a couple pints and hear some stories and such.

I would counter some of the Islamophobia claims with a counter claim that they are being Euro-phobic. A intense fear of Western Civilization and European/white people and culture and point to the cases in Europe currently, you know, the rapes, the killings, the intimidation, people saying "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" " Behead those that insult Islam". And so on and so forth. A conqueror's ideology. If Islam in general is such a great thing then why does the state have to interfere with the discussions about it and protect its followers?

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I understand why this motion seemed important for politicians in the current political climate however, it was not a very smart thing to do. This motion will probably have the opposite of its "desired" effect; instead of reducing discrimination against people of Muslim confession it will actually antagonize them.

Again, this is a motion and will likely never become anything more than that because of the definition of Islamophobia. If you define it as discrimination against Muslims, then you already have an act that protects all Canadian citizens. If you define it as fear, then it's something that cannot be measured... Thus, it cannot be enforced.

At the end of the day, this motion will only serve as an evidence for anyone who wants to preach a conservative, anti-immigrant sort of campaign. In the long run, this will harm both liberals and the Muslim minority living in Canada...

Quote:If Islam in general is such a great thing then why does the state have to interfere with the discussions about it and protect its followers?

While I feel that this motion is ineffective and will not benefit Canadians in any way, I do believe that the state has a duty to protect its citizen no matter what is their religion, race or skin color...

Do you think that the state has no duty to protect a Muslim Canadian citizen who is subject to discrimination? Do you think the same of a Jewish or Christian Canadian citizen?
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