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RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria
I have not seen any credible indication that the DEFCON has been elevated.
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On the 2nd it was green(5), on the 8th it was blue(4), on the 13th it was updated to yellow(3).
Next update is on the 20th, maybe it will go down.

I got my info from http://defconwarningsystem.com , it might be wrong, deconlevel.com says it's blue and cites the yellow status as a rumor according to snopes.

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(10-15-2016 03:45 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  On the 2nd it was green(5), on the 8th it was blue(4), on the 13th it was updated to yellow(3).
Next update is on the 20th, maybe it will go down.

I got my info from http://defconwarningsystem.com , it might be wrong, deconlevel.com says it's blue and cites the yellow status as a rumor according to snopes.

Because the Pentagon etc will just let it be known the entire Airforce is 15 minutes away from full flight and the next Defcon is nuclear weapons.
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Saw this. Haven't heard of this news source before so I can't speak for its accuracy. But, interesting.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Putin-If-...hoice.html

Quote:Russian President Vladimir Putin held a press conference on the sidelines of the eighth BRICS summit in Goa on Sunday, October 16. According to him, Russia is not going to influence presidential elections in the US.

"I’d like everyone to calm down — we are not planning to influence the course of the elections in the US," the president said. When asked about the presidential candidates, Putin said that Hillary Clinton has chosen to take an aggressive stance with accompanying rhetoric in regard to Russia, whereas Donald Trump is calling for cooperation in counter-terrorism. "We do not know what our relations will be like after the elections," President Putin said, Sputnik reports.

"We don’t know if Donald Trump will carry out his intentions, how far he will go in cooperating with us. Or if Hillary Clinton will put into practice her threats and harsh rhetoric toward Russia. Perhaps, she will soften her stance. But naturally we welcome anyone who is willing to work with us," he said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed hope on Sunday that the Moscow-Washington relations would get an opportunity to be restored after the presidential elections in the United States. "I hope that when these elections, debates, this difficult period in the internal political situation in the United States finishes, there will be chances to restore the Russia-US election," Putin said at a press conference in India's Goa.

According to Putin, Russia is not seeking to be at confrontation with the United States. "If someone seeks confrontation, it is not our choice. But it means that there will be some problems. We do not want this, on the contrary, we would like to look for common ground and jointly respond to global challenges, which Russia, the United States and the whole world are facing," Sputnik quoted him as saying.

Putin noted that Russia had no intention to somehow influence the election campaign in the United States. "Of course, we welcome all those who want to work together and consider erroneous the thesis that we need to constantly argue with someone and, thus, pose a threat to themselves and to the world," the Russian president stressed. It is the first time when the United States has threatened on such a high level cyberattacks against other countries and admitted spying on its enemies and allies, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"There is evidence and confessions [about cyberattacks]. [The United States] is spying not only on their potential adversaries, at least those whom they consider as such, but also on their allies, including the closest ones… So what's new here? Nothing. The only new thing is that for the first time on such a high level the United States confesses: first — that it is engaged in it, and second — it threatens [to respond], to a certain extent, which is not in line with the norms of the international communication," Putin told journalists when commenting on Biden’s remarks on possible cyberattacks against Russia.

The Russian president added that one "can expect anything from our American friends" who were spending billions on spying.

Putin is playing this cool and doesn't appear at all to be bringing in political bullshit.

If it wasn't Putin, I truly wonder how quickly this could get out of control. A more cucked Russian leader might have tried to prove something to the U.S. a lot quicker. A feminist would've already used her penis envy as a reason to start escalating conflicts. A eurofag would've just done whatever the scheming (((bankers))) told him to do, per their privileged knowledge through Clinton speeches.

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RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria
More propaganda by the US and British foreign affairs.



Sky News propaganda piece


Quote:British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has said Syrian President Bashar al Assad and the Russians cannot win the war in Syria.

Mr Johnson was speaking at the conclusion of talks in London on the Syrian war, talks that included US Secretary of State John Kerry and counterparts from eight other countries.

He said: "I don't think that the Russian supporters and the Assad regime are capable of winning this war.

"I think it highly dubious that they'll even be able to take Aleppo," he said.

This is a man who wrote a response on why he believes the UK should remain IN Europe but in public he was AGAINST Europe. Laugh

This imbecile along with kerry will be made to eat their words soon enough.
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Videos like that are exactly why no one takes Alex Jones seriously, not even his allies. Yes the content is not bad, but the title makes it sound as if nuclear missiles are being launched right this second. He cries wolf way too much.

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I am no expert in this war, just trying to wrap my head around it.

Can someone let me know if this 'theory' isn't totally BS?

So Qatar has the biggest offshore natural gas field on Earth, just loaded with condensates. The North Dome/South Pars field:
[Image: iran-pars1.jpg]

Currently Russia is the primary market for European gas. Are they allying with Assad with help from Iran in order to protect their market? I am sure Russia would market Persian gas if they back them up here.

Meanwhile, Qatar and the Gulf states want to get their hands on the European market, so if they can get a pipeline through Iraq and into Syria, that opens the whole Mediterranean for NGL transport. Obama's America wants to limit Russia's influence and prop up their Gulf Allies, hence their opposition to Assad, who has strong Russian loyalty dating back to the Soviet era.

Is this conflict all about hydrocarbons?
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(10-16-2016 07:44 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Videos like that are exactly why no one takes Alex Jones seriously, not even his allies. Yes the content is not bad, but the title makes it sound as if nuclear missiles are being launched right this second. He cries wolf way too much.

This has always been my beef with Alex Jones. I much prefer PJW.

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Heavy fighting right now in Mosul with US/NATO forces working alongside with the Iraqi Army and Kurdish Peshmerga in a bid to liberate the city from ISIS.

The big question is - when ISIS are defeated in Mosul, as they surely will be, where are they going to go? Those that aren't killed or captured, that is.

There are rumours of them being allowed to go unmolested to Syria by the US in order to launch a massive all out attack on the SAA, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Christian, Nationalist and Marxist militias who are all aligned to Damascus. Robert Fisk has certainly intimated today that such a scenario is likely here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mosu...65776.html

Quote:Syria’s army and Hezbollah and Iranian allies are preparing for a massive invasion by thousands of Isis fighters who will be driven out of Iraq when Mosul falls. The real purpose behind the much-trumpeted US-planned "liberation" of the Iraqi city, the Syrian military suspect, is to swamp Syria with the hordes of Isis fighters who will flee their Iraqi capital in favour of their "mini-capital" of Raqqa inside Syria itself.

For weeks now, Western media and the American experts it likes to quote have been predicting a Stalingrad-style battle to the death by Isis inside Mosul – or a swift victory over Isis followed by inter-sectarian Iraqi battles for the city. The UN is warning of massive refugee columns streaming from a besieged city. But the Syrians – after witnessing the sudden collapse and evacuation of Palmyra when their own army retook the ancient Syrian city earlier this year – suspect that Isis will simply abandon Mosul and try to reach safety in the areas of Syria which it still controls.

Already, Syrian army intelligence has heard disturbing reports of a demand by Isis in towns and villages south of Hasaka – a Syrian city held by regime forces and Kurds in the north of the country – for new electricity and water supplies to be installed for an influx of Isis fighters from Mosul. In other words, if Mosul falls, the entire Isis caliphate army could be directed against the Assad government and its allies – a scenario which might cause some satisfaction in Washington. When the Iraqi city of Fallujah fell to Iraqi army and militia forces earlier this year, many Isis fighters fled at once to Syria.

The shit is about to get shittier.



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Quote:Currently Russia is the primary market for European gas

It's vice versa.


That's why it is a European and American wet dream to make a pipeline stretching from Arabia to Europe, because...they do not want to be dependent on Russia for gas.


By the way, although Alex does piss me off sometimes with his doomsday crap...this time, he is right. Especially if you follow geopolitics.

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^yes sorry, brain fart on my behalf, thanks for clarifying
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When ISIS starts retreating to Syria I hope someone with balls napalms those fuckers straight to hell. When the genociding they have done comes to light we will wish we had.
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(10-18-2016 10:46 PM)rpg Wrote:  When ISIS starts retreating to Syria I hope someone with balls napalms those fuckers straight to hell. When the genociding they have done comes to light we will wish we had.

The US/NATO airpower won't do a thing.

Can't say the same for those Russians who just happen to have a lot of planes in Syria (where they're fleeing) and love to use some very nasty weapons they have.

Here's hoping Vlad uses some of that airpower to spread the love.
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(10-19-2016 09:38 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 10:46 PM)rpg Wrote:  When ISIS starts retreating to Syria I hope someone with balls napalms those fuckers straight to hell. When the genociding they have done comes to light we will wish we had.

The US/NATO airpower won't do a thing.

Can't say the same for those Russians who just happen to have a lot of planes in Syria (where they're fleeing) and love to use some very nasty weapons they have.

Here's hoping Vlad uses some of that airpower to spread the love.

If Hillary becomes prez her "no fly zone" cover should give ISIS enough time to go to a neighboring country to regroup to take over Syria for her Saudi buddies. Another piece in the Sunni caliphate puzzle complete.
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RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria
There was a time when The Economist was a serious publication.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...eat-russia

Quote:FOUR years ago Mitt Romney, then a Republican candidate, said that Russia was America’s “number-one geopolitical foe”. Barack Obama, among others, mocked this hilarious gaffe: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the cold war’s been over for 20 years,” scoffed the president. How times change. With Russia hacking the American election, presiding over mass slaughter in Syria, annexing Crimea and talking casually about using nuclear weapons, Mr Romney’s view has become conventional wisdom. Almost the only American to dissent from it is today’s Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

Sadly that ended some time around early September 2008.

Meanwhile Justin Raimondo hits it out of the ball park with another fine gem.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/...rangelove/

Quote:This whole nonsensical and very dangerous campaign theme of Hillary’s – that the Russians are behind the alleged hacking of the DNC and Podesta, and that therefore Trump is their conscious agent – is based on the scientific equivalent of vaporware. The reality is that no one knows a) How WikiLeaks obtained the documents it is publishing and b) How they were procured in the first place. That’s because, in spite of the “scientific” pretensions of the cyber-warfare industry, there is no way for anyone to know for sure if it was hackers (as opposed to insiders) or, if it was hackers, who they are – not unless the perpetrators come out and admit it, or unless they are caught in the act by someone looking over their shoulder.

Quote:Yes, we are headed down a road that can only have one destination: a military conflict with Russia. And with President Hillary Strangelove’s finger on the nuclear button, it cannot end well.
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Cernovich has been active lately calling out the neocons and the media for their bullshit in this regard.

We all need to participate in the pushback against this "war with russia" movement in the media.

Public outcry stopped us from going into Syria (directly) after Obama's retarded "red line" speech.

It can work again.

All those fucks in washington care about is getting reelected. If the public is against a war, it won't happen.

This is not 2002 anymore. Between social media, the Snowden revelations, and general distrust of the government, the people can't be maniupulated as easily anymore.

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I d Propose we start a "situation with Russia" thread but as this is the de facto by use of the people and I have no desire to start unnecessary new threads...

https://www.rt.com/news/363774-russia-us...elections/

Quote:Russian diplomats in the United States have been threatened by US officials with criminal prosecution if they attempt to monitor upcoming Presidential and Congress elections at polling stations, the Russian Embassy in Washington said in a statement.
According to the Russian diplomatic mission, it has not submitted any official request to monitor the elections, due to take place November 8.“We have not submitted any requests to the Department of State regarding the election observation. As a matter of respectfully conducting our diplomatic duties we sent the information on our intentions to the Department of State,” the statement by the Embassy reads.

The facility said it has reached out to several local electoral commissions to “get acquainted” with American electoral procedures, but got a negative response. The diplomats were even threatened with legal action, the Embassy said.

“We received mostly negative responses, including threats that our interest and presence at polling stations could be seen as a criminal act.”

The US media earlier reported that the States of Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana have reportedly received election-related inquiries from Moscow. Though not naming the exact parts of the US, the Russian Embassy noted that “some local authorities we approached coordinated their negative decision with the federal government.”

During Friday’s press briefing, US State Department spokesman John Kirby said that Moscow is “welcome” to observe the polls as part of the mission by Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Moscow has so far denied filing a respective request to the OSCE, citing concerns over the work of the organization.


Washington, in response, called Russia’s interest in observing the elections a PR stunt. “The fact that they [Russia] have chosen to not join the OSCE observation mission makes clear that this issue is nothing more than a PR stunt,” Kirby said.

The Russian Embassy countered in its statement that any such monitoring is part of the normal “functions of a diplomatic mission” according to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961. The body also voiced its frustration over Washington’s “unfriendly way” of blocking Russia’s “desire to pursue normal diplomatic work.”

“The US did not invite any international mission to monitor their elections for a long time. Generally and principally did not invite," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov told RIA Novosti.

On October 7, Washington accused Moscow of hacking US officials’ and organizations’ emails. Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov has responded, saying the accusations were “nonsense.”

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I d Propose we start a "situation with Russia" thread but as this is the de facto by use of the people and I have no desire to start unnecessary new threads...

https://www.rt.com/news/363774-russia-us...elections/

Quote:Russian diplomats in the United States have been threatened by US officials with criminal prosecution if they attempt to monitor upcoming Presidential and Congress elections at polling stations, the Russian Embassy in Washington said in a statement.
According to the Russian diplomatic mission, it has not submitted any official request to monitor the elections, due to take place November 8.“We have not submitted any requests to the Department of State regarding the election observation. As a matter of respectfully conducting our diplomatic duties we sent the information on our intentions to the Department of State,” the statement by the Embassy reads.

The facility said it has reached out to several local electoral commissions to “get acquainted” with American electoral procedures, but got a negative response. The diplomats were even threatened with legal action, the Embassy said.

“We received mostly negative responses, including threats that our interest and presence at polling stations could be seen as a criminal act.”

...

Washington, in response, called Russia’s interest in observing the elections a PR stunt. “The on over Washington’s “unfriendly way” of blocking Russia’s “desire to pursue normal diplomatic work.”

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(10-22-2016 11:24 AM)NovaVirtu Wrote:  Cernovich has been active lately calling out the neocons and the media for their bullshit in this regard.

We all need to participate in the pushback against this "war with russia" movement in the media.

Public outcry stopped us from going into Syria (directly) after Obama's retarded "red line" speech.

It can work again.

All those fucks in washington care about is getting reelected. If the public is against a war, it won't happen.

This is not 2002 anymore. Between social media, the Snowden revelations, and general distrust of the government, the people can't be maniupulated as easily anymore.

I don't think Obama, Congress or the warhawks by his side gave a single fuck about what people in the US said.

What they did care about were the very real Anti-Air sites, fighters and ships in the area they wanted to create a no fly zone and the Russians were to play ball, or else.

Putin and a known US or NATO General called them out on unintended consequences. Meaning a full nuclear encounter would have been not too far off if US military might was brought into Syria.

They backed down quietly but since then the political repercussions have been overshadowed by something else. A desire by the powers that be that Assad must go and a pipeline be placed through Syria with control of its resources given over to the power brokers of the world.

They're playing the long game and Trump has political capital he can use to work with the Russians on stopping the madness.
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Latest from offensive in Iraq to retake Mosul...

https://www.rt.com/news/363990-kornet-ab...sul-video/





So that's a US government supplied tank taken out by a US government supplied weapon.

The irony is delicious.
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(10-16-2016 07:59 PM)komatiite Wrote:  I am no expert in this war, just trying to wrap my head around it.

Can someone let me know if this 'theory' isn't totally BS?

So Qatar has the biggest offshore natural gas field on Earth, just loaded with condensates. The North Dome/South Pars field:
[Image: iran-pars1.jpg]

Currently Russia is the primary market for European gas. Are they allying with Assad with help from Iran in order to protect their market? I am sure Russia would market Persian gas if they back them up here.

Meanwhile, Qatar and the Gulf states want to get their hands on the European market, so if they can get a pipeline through Iraq and into Syria, that opens the whole Mediterranean for NGL transport. Obama's America wants to limit Russia's influence and prop up their Gulf Allies, hence their opposition to Assad, who has strong Russian loyalty dating back to the Soviet era.

Is this conflict all about hydrocarbons?

Yes this is precisely what this is all about.

Russia is currently the preferred natural gas supplier to western europe. A position that helps fund and empower them.

The US does not like this and has worked up a deal to pipe in Saudi / UAE gas into europe through Syria.

Syrian president Assad is allied with Russia and doesn't want to do something that would anger its ally in the north so he says no.

The US goes in and creates ISIS as a means to over throw Assad. Assad does a slightly better than average job of defending his country. The US does "air strikes" on Assad's military while claiming it's attacking Isis.

Assad asks Russia for help seeing that he can't fight off western supplied terrorists. Russia comes in and kicks ass.

The US is now in a bind where it can become increasingly obvious to the public that the Isis conflict has been of their entire doing in an effort to get this pipe line through.

And this is all because the Europeans are too pussy to invest in alternative fuels and energy like nuclear. Idea
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(10-25-2016 12:47 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  And this is all because the Europeans are too pussy to invest in alternative fuels and energy like nuclear. Idea

They are too busy sucking American dick to see the obvious move.
Europe has the market, the industry and the know-how, Russia has the resources. Together they could make Eurasia great again.

Remember, the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Through economic cooperation and integration the European nations became so interconnected that war would be a disaster for everyone and ceased to be an option, it became impossible and unthinkable. The end result was peaceful and prosperous coexistence, for the first time in centuries, thanks to the great European peace and reconciliation project - the EU.
Brilliant!

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Quote:The committee said the EU had helped to transform Europe "from a continent of war to a continent of peace".

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said it was recognition for the work of "the biggest peacemaker in history.

"This started after the war - putting together former enemies. It started with six countries and we are now 27, another one is going to join us next year and more want to come. So the EU is the most important project for peace in terms of transnational, supernational co-operation.

Much amazing, so cool!

Now, if we don't stop there and think a bit further, we reach an interesting question.
If, as we learned and are told all the time by our saviors from the EU, economic cooperation and integration is the best way to prevent war, and usher in an everlasting era of peace and prosperity, then why is nobody making an effort to include Russia in this deal?

You are afraid of war with Russia, then forge closer economic ties with them, increase trade, enable the exchange of people, knowledge and goods.
Soon, the thought of going to war with Russia would seem preposterous to the people, and impossible to politicians of both sides.
That's the idea the EU was built on, and it was such an amazing success, right.

Instead what do we get?
Sanctions, embargoes, increased armament, aggressive rhetoric and threats.

You are afraid of war?
Reach out to them!
You want peaceful, friction-free relations?
Trade, cooperate, integrate!
You disagree on some issues?
Let it go, forgive each other for the sins of our fathers, talk, negotiate, work it out, for the sake of our children and the greater good!

That's what you told us, all the fucking time.

If you don't do that, considering that you tell us all the time about your foolproof, glorious way to ensure peace through economic cooperation, I'd have to assume that peace is not a priority and you are ok with war remaining an option.

So why do you complain then? It is your own choice.
Why are you fearmongering? You created this situation.
Stop bitching around and return your shiny medal, hypocrites.
Greatest peace project in human history my ass.

There's no conceivable way that the EU having good, mutually beneficial relations with Russia is not in the interest of the European people.
Why then are European politicians working actively against this?
And in whose interest are they acting, if not the people's?

Remember, there's even EU ascension talks with Turkey.
Visa free travel for Turkey.
Is there anything to criticize about Russia that doesn't also apply to Turkey?
Yet the EU invites Turkey to the club and puts sanctions on Russia.
Makes sense.
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RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria
(10-16-2016 12:20 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Putin is playing this cool

No shit dude, its Putin lol, what else is he going to do?

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RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria
AT-14 Kornet is not American. It is a Russian wire-guided missile.

Could be misattribution. It's been documented that there are TOW missiles in Syria.


(10-25-2016 12:39 PM)Traktor Wrote:  Latest from offensive in Iraq to retake Mosul...

https://www.rt.com/news/363990-kornet-ab...sul-video/





So that's a US government supplied tank taken out by a US government supplied weapon.

The irony is delicious.
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