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RE: The Orthodox Church
Welcome back, Mage.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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09-28-2019 11:43 AM
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Sounds like this ancient spirit being really needs to seek you out and ask for your sagely advice on these topics, Mage.

I hope you're willing to share your vast knowledge with her when she humbles herself in your presence.

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09-28-2019 11:48 AM
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RE: The Orthodox Church
(09-28-2019 11:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Sounds like this ancient spirit being really needs to seek you out and ask for your sagely advice on these topics, Mage.

I hope you're willing to share your vast knowledge with her when she humbles herself in your presence.

Dammit, Neubache, you are pissing all over my peace pipe.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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09-28-2019 12:00 PM
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RE: The Orthodox Church
Whaaaaaat?!

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09-28-2019 12:04 PM
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RE: The Orthodox Church
(09-28-2019 10:24 AM)Mage Wrote:  Here is what bugs me about the Marian appearance in Fatima.

She supposedly said in 2nd secret that to avert another great war Russia must Convert. This has been interpreted as WWII prediction and predicting that Russia will cause a lot of evil in that war from Communism.

But 2nd prophecy was not not disclosed until August 1941, after World War II had already begun

Here is what bugs me:

Why would Mary be more concerned about Orthodox Russia converting to Catholicism then much theologically different Protestantism or even other faiths?

Why does Mary act as if Russia alone is to blame for Communism and War and fails to mention Jewish revolutionary influence?

Why didn't Mary ask for conversion of Jews before all else?

A lot to think about.

Not a theological contribution, but there's two big Catholic parish churches in my neighborhood. There's the wonderful early 20th century John the Baptist. The second is the more recent FATIMA and it looks like:

[Image: fatima.jpg]
09-28-2019 01:16 PM
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The word "communism" is never specifically stated. The prophecy merely refers to Russia's "Errors". It's occurred to me that "What if that doesn't actually refer to communism and instead refers to Frankism?"
09-28-2019 02:44 PM
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(09-28-2019 02:44 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  The word "communism" is never specifically stated. The prophecy merely refers to Russia's "Errors". It's occurred to me that "What if that doesn't actually refer to communism and instead refers to Frankism?"

If so then the more reason to call out Jews and not Russia.

It's a strange discrepancy between when a revelation speaks specifically and when non-specifically.

Russia is mentioned specifically, but "errors" is a non-specific term that can be interpreted however you want.

This suggests to me that whoever stands behind his "revelation" really wanted to make specifically Russia to look guilty, but didn't care about what. Just call it "errors" and whatever error they inevitably do being mortal men like everyone else, ascribe that error as being the error of prophecy.

This suggests to me that there is some political conspiracy and an attempt to manipulate public opinions behind these supposed miracles or at least about the secrets in the form they were revealed.
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09-28-2019 03:20 PM
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(09-27-2019 05:15 AM)rotekz Wrote:  In the realm of fake apparitions it turns out that E. Michael Jones had a significant role to play in exposing the Medjugorje deception. It is still funding corruption in the Vatican to this day. This is a fascinating discussion.



Međugorje is obviously made up, but to say that it's funding corruption in Vatican is ridiculous. Vatican has refused to recognize Međugorje in the first place! Our local swindlers are all fuming about it because without that recognition their ill-gotten profits will remain limited, but there's nothing that they can do.

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09-28-2019 03:24 PM
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HCE, did you watch the video?
09-29-2019 03:00 AM
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RE: The Orthodox Church
Anyone go to a GOA parish? I'm curious how the clergy under Patriarch Bartholomew's jurisdiction feel about him teaming up with the Ukrainian schismatics.
09-29-2019 01:42 PM
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I went to a GOARCH parish for about a year and a half. As a general rule the clergy will always side with the bishop, at least publicly, though many of the laity disagree with Bartholomew’s actions quite vocally.

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09-29-2019 05:10 PM
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I read that the Orthodox view of hell is that it is the same place as heaven, but those who reject God experience his love as torment.
Is this the most official view of orthodox churches?

The protestant view that hell is a place where you burn for eternity in lake of fire never made sense to me.
10-01-2019 03:15 AM
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It’s a view shared by some but not all. As far as I know it is not a dogma but what we would call “theologoumenon” or a “pious opinion.”

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10-01-2019 03:21 AM
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There's this Orthodox convert named David Bentley Hart seems to have been the guy responsible for spreading that idea in the US. At least that's where I first heard about it. I was actually just thinking about it last night and was wondering if it was an official position in Orthodoxy. I just did a quick search on him just now and it seems he is preaching universialism now: https://gandalfsbeardblog.wordpress.com/...tley-hart/

I also read something about how Orthodoxy teaches "ancestral sin" as opposed to "original sin". The difference as far as I can tell is that with original sin, guilt is something that's passed on to all humans while with ancestral sin, the guilt isn't passed on but the fruits of it (the human inclination towards sin) is passed on. Is this accurate?
10-01-2019 09:07 AM
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Looks like Kim Kardashian is a new member of your Church.

The photo taken from behind left me wondering a little about when Instagram enters the Church.

Still, it shows a trend of a return to Christianity which is positive. I'm sure they won't invite Kanye in to run the music.

Quote:Kardashian West wore a long-sleeved, mermaid-style dress for the important occasion, while North sported a long white two-piece outfit and intricate beaded necklace.
“Thank you Armenia for hosting my family and I in such a memorable trip,” she captioned the post. “So blessed to have been baptized along with my babies at Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin, Armenia’s main cathedral which is sometimes referred to as the Vatican of the Armenian Apostolic Church. This church was built in 303 AD.”

Kim Kardashian Baptized as Armenian Orthodox

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10-10-2019 09:41 PM
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(10-01-2019 09:07 AM)Wutang Wrote:  There's this Orthodox convert named David Bentley Hart seems to have been the guy responsible for spreading that idea in the US. At least that's where I first heard about it. I was actually just thinking about it last night and was wondering if it was an official position in Orthodoxy. I just did a quick search on him just now and it seems he is preaching universialism now: https://gandalfsbeardblog.wordpress.com/...tley-hart/


Universalism has been condemned by the Orthodox Church. We certainly hope everyone will be saved, but to teach that this is certain is not orthodox. DBH is causing quite a stir, and his bishop will soon have to do something about it.

Fr. John Whiteford explains the problems with Hart's heterodox theology here: https://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/2015/05/...ntley.html

On a related note, one of DBH's brothers, Fr. Robert Hart, is an Anglican priest who writes some really excellent content on the Continuum blog.

(10-01-2019 09:07 AM)Wutang Wrote:  I also read something about how Orthodoxy teaches "ancestral sin" as opposed to "original sin". The difference as far as I can tell is that with original sin, guilt is something that's passed on to all humans while with ancestral sin, the guilt isn't passed on but the fruits of it (the human inclination towards sin) is passed on. Is this accurate?

That's right. It's like if a woman caught syphilis from sleeping around, then passed this disease onto her offspring. The child isn't guilty for the mother's sins, but he will suffer the ill effects nonetheless.
10-10-2019 10:18 PM
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It's interesting to look at Kim and Kanye. Over the past decade you'd be hard-pressed to think of a couple of bigger media and fame whores. Completely narcissists by all appearances, obsessed with fame and money. They were very easy to hate and very easy to judge. Certainly it was very easy to be filled with self-righteousness when looking at them. So tempting to pray, as the Pharisees did, "Lord, thank you for not making me a sinner like [Kim and Kanye]". And yet of course this is the wrong attitude for a Christian to have. It is the sin of pride. And Oh, how the Lord works in mysterious ways - now it is Kim and Kanye who humble us and remind us that God opposes the proud but shows grace to the humble (James 4:6). It's another example of God turning evil into good, and a reminder that God "will be gracious to whom he will be gracious, and will have compassion on whom he will have compassion." (Exodus 33:19) Also a good reminder that none are beyond redemption. Is it legitimate? Will it last? Who knows. But I'll certainly give them the benefit of the doubt. At the very least they are being used by God at this time to grow the reach of the church into new areas. We shall see how much of that seed grows in time.

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At least she convered her arms and legs. I don't think we could ask much more from her.

Her kids getting baptized is a good thing. They will have a hard life (being surrounded by fame and money) and need all the help they can get.

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Kim has actually done some really saintly work advocating for prison reform.
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I couldn't post the rear pic out of possible decency standards for the Orthodox thread. I'm trying not to be a newbie Pharisee.

In addition to the tight outfit, why isn't the little girl wearing a dress?

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A good analysis of modernity by Fr Seraphim playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...eF3Pffi4Pl


The root of many of the evil of modernity. Nihilism wears many masks. Including what we call liberalism or any other leftist ideology.

Even many claiming the name of Christ. Are at heart Nihilists and this is a good explanation is why.

Revolutionary Bolshevism/National Socialism/Sexual Revolution and so forth. The attack on the ultimate Father-figure God the Father.

For just as man is created ex nihilo.

So in this direct rebellion against their God who brought all things into existence and sustains them by the very power of his word.

In doing so returning to ex nihilo.

As if in denying God.

Man returns to the abyss of nothingness and the feeling of such a sinking into the abyss among those who are in rebellion.

The Atheist who perceives an indifferent and ultimately meaningless universe and the creation of man is himself in the abyss whether he realizes it or not.

The Atheist is Ex nihilo
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^ Father Seraphim Rose wrote some really great stuff.

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10-12-2019 08:38 PM
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“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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Wow, much has happened since I was here last. Best to all.

Get your passport ready!
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