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Jay Dyer with the fire again:



Quote:"St. Gregory of Nyssa devotes a special treatise to the 'Life of Moses', in which the assent of Mount Sinai towards the darkness of incomprehensibility represents the way of contemplation, superior to Moses' first meeting with God when appeared to him in the burning bush. Then Moses saw God in light; now he enters the darkness, leaving behind him all that can be seen or know; there remains to him only the invisible and unknowable, but in this darkness is God."
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Has anyone joined the Russian Orthodox church in the US after marrying a Russian wife? Will the russian churches help an american find or date russian women?

Just curious if joining the russian church will enhance the opportunity to meet russian women or travel to russia to marry a russian girl?

Do you think russian wives who have married american men and moved to america want to remain in the russian church or join some other group like the roman catholic church or stay secular.
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I always wonder about that question from the point of a) how many Russians are devoted churchgoers, b) would you ever possibly meet them in Russia, and c) would such types be open to foreigners?

I know quite a bit about this from the American side of things; a few weeks back Roosh had [in his hour/live show] at least one thing right regarding the Orthodox Churches --- they don't lend much to social or entertainment draws like new age religion or cafeteria christianity (megachurch type protestants) --- as they shouldn't. But this makes things much more challenging for meeting people for the legit, and the lurker, alike.

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(09-08-2018 06:01 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I always wonder about that question from the point of a) how many Russians are devoted churchgoers, b) would you ever possibly meet them in Russia, and c) would such types be open to foreigners?

I know quite a bit about this from the American side of things; a few weeks back Roosh had [in his hour/live show] at least one thing right regarding the Orthodox Churches --- they don't lend much to social or entertainment draws like new age religion or cafeteria christianity (megachurch type protestants) --- as they shouldn't. But this makes things much more challenging for meeting people for the legit, and the lurker, alike.

I would assume it would improve networking opportunities if other parents have hot daughters they want to set up, or if there was some sort of church youth group that allowed singles to meet. Or if they have relatives back in russia or are taking a trip back to russia that you can join on for holiday. I'm just curious if the russian church has some sort of exchange program that allows russian people to visit the USA and vice-versa but that is probably the same as a 6 month tourist visa. But I wonder if there are any parishes with russian wives who married non-russian american men or if that is frowned upon in that community to have non-russian husbands?
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The Orthodox faith is very interesting. It's what I wish modern, American Christianity was.
09-26-2018 11:23 PM
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It can't be modern.

But you can be a part of it.

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Seems like Roosh has become a believer based on his latest tweets.
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(02-22-2018 11:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I believe that had Protestants had known about the Orthodox church in the 15th-16th centuries, they would have simply converted instead of forming their own churches.

Oh they knew about it. Martin Luther once said "the truth is with the Greeks," though he ended up going off the rails instead. Various kinds of Protestants petitioned Orthodoxy for various reasons, whether simply dialogue or out of a desire to be accepted as part of the genuine Christian faith, during that period of time. Eventually, the Orthodox Patriarchs stopped returning their letters once it became clear that their demands for recognition did not come with the humility to accept the Church in its fullness.

Patriarch Dositheus of Jerusalem ended up writing "The Confession of Dositheus" specifically to refute Calvinism and the (unfounded) rumors that Cyril Lucaris, an Orthodox Patriarch, was secretly a Calvinist or had Calvinist leanings. There was interaction between Protestants and Orthodox from almost the very beginning, but Protestants only accept the Councils they like and almost universally (especially the modern low-church evangelicals) reject high tradition, liturgy, icons, veneration of Saints, etc.

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Does anyone know what the official stance is on gays and stuff? Jesus was all about turning the other cheek and accepting others, all well and good, but I draw the line with anything LGBT these days, within reason of course. The Protestant church is a joke, Catholicism has been cucked, so unless I go toward Islam, it seems only the Orthodox church can potentially cater for me.

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It is hard for us to use that word "official" since the only thing approaching that is in the realm of dogma, which is basically (as I've stated before) the ecumenical councils and the creed. It is an indisputable christian teaching, and therefore the orthodox understanding however, that homosexuality, if acted upon, is in need of repentance. Like many other things that miss the mark that some of us have an inclination towards, it is not accepted and never will be by anyone who knows anything about the faith and the gospel. I'll just keep it that basic for now. As for "stuff", you'd have to be more specific.

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(05-24-2019 07:23 AM)Teedub Wrote:  Does anyone know what the official stance is on gays and stuff? Jesus was all about turning the other cheek and accepting others, all well and good, but I draw the line with anything LGBT these days, within reason of course. The Protestant church is a joke, Catholicism has been cucked, so unless I go toward Islam, it seems only the Orthodox church can potentially cater for me.

Homosexual tendencies are treated as a disordered passion, and homosexual behavior is treated as a sin. The Church gives communion to homosexuals as long as they're repentant and genuinely striving to remain celibate. As far as the "LGBT" agenda, "Pride Parades" and the like - that's a very strong "no."

There are already forces at work trying to undermine Orthodoxy, as there always have been and always will be, but at least the corruption is setting in far more slowly than it has in Protestant or Roman Catholic circles. There will always be a true remnant of those who follow the faith, regardless of how many are led astray by worldly ideology - so as long as you join and remain in that remnant, you'll be all set.

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(09-06-2017 06:05 AM)trumpsta Wrote:  What are your thoughts on the baptist church?

Do you believe that Jesus had long hair?

Jesus Christ came to this world to fulfill the law of the prophets. There's no way that he had long hair because there is a commandment against a man having long hair. Neither did he wear robes like a hippie; he warned of men wearing robes.

I am a King James-reading Fundamental Baptist. I believe that salvation is by faith alone; believe that Christ died and rose again for your sins and you are saved. Once you are saved, you are eternally secure in your salvation.

As for the baptist church, most are independent churches, but like most churches they have become ridden with tolerance of homos, false doctrine like "repent of sin to be saved", acceptance of female leadership, have given-up soul-winning and so-on. I'm from Canada and I attend one the few remaining KJV-only baptist churches.
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(05-26-2019 01:38 AM)tychomaz Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 06:05 AM)trumpsta Wrote:  What are your thoughts on the baptist church?

Do you believe that Jesus had long hair?

Jesus Christ came to this world to fulfill the law of the prophets. There's no way that he had long hair because there is a commandment against a man having long hair. Neither did he wear robes like a hippie; he warned of men wearing robes.

I've read the bible multiple times and nowhere in the new testament doesn't read, "hou shalt not doth don the long garmets of Satan. "

Either cite your shit or GTFO of here with this trolling.
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(05-26-2019 01:52 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
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(09-06-2017 06:05 AM)trumpsta Wrote:  What are your thoughts on the baptist church?

Do you believe that Jesus had long hair?

Jesus Christ came to this world to fulfill the law of the prophets. There's no way that he had long hair because there is a commandment against a man having long hair. Neither did he wear robes like a hippie; he warned of men wearing robes.

I've read the bible multiple times and nowhere in the new testament doesn't read, "hou shalt not doth don the long garmets of Satan. "

Either cite your shit or GTFO of here with this trolling.

The Nazarene vow made an exception for long hair, which is why many Orthodox priests to this day still have long hair, and there's nothing historically wrong with the idea that Christ may have had long hair as well. As for robes, there is obviously no commandment against wearing robes; the point Christ made was that some of the Pharisees were hypocrites who liked to dress fancy in public in order to win accolades from the people about how great and holy they were, despite being internally rotten and corrupt. The robes worn by Orthodox clergy, technically called cassocks, are black to symbolize their death to themselves and the world in lieu of devotion to God and others.

The whole problem with Protestantism is that it rests on no authority beyond any particular individual's personal interpretation of various Bible verses, which is not and never was how Christianity was meant to be practiced. That's why there is no point in debating with Protestants; they always revert to "the clear and simple teachings of Scripture" - which of course, none of their denominations can agree on - and amount to little more than the speaker's feelings.

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(05-26-2019 03:20 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  The whole problem with Protestantism is that it rests on no authority beyond any particular individual's personal interpretation of various Bible verses, which is not and never was how Christianity was meant to be practiced. That's why there is no point in debating with Protestants; they always revert to "the clear and simple teachings of Scripture" - which of course, none of their denominations can agree on - and amount to little more than the speaker's feelings.

And what does the Orthodox canon amount to? And says who? And based on what?

How was Christianity meant to be practiced? Says who? Based on what?

Was it revealed to you how Christianity was meant to be practiced? Or did you reason it? Or...?

What precisely does agreement signify? What mass or percentage of men agreeing passes your threshold for agreement? And why?
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(05-26-2019 01:52 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
(05-26-2019 01:38 AM)tychomaz Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 06:05 AM)trumpsta Wrote:  What are your thoughts on the baptist church?

Do you believe that Jesus had long hair?

Jesus Christ came to this world to fulfill the law of the prophets. There's no way that he had long hair because there is a commandment against a man having long hair. Neither did he wear robes like a hippie; he warned of men wearing robes.

I've read the bible multiple times and nowhere in the new testament doesn't read, "hou shalt not doth don the long garmets of Satan. "

Either cite your shit or GTFO of here with this trolling.


I have answered to the hair question on page 5 of this thread.

I woud not call this a straight commandment as are the ten commandments or the new testament commandment about loving one another, yet it is a clear advice to people of God about certain customs they should adhere to.

Not recalling anything similar being said about clothes in The Scripture though. If anyone knows where it is I would be gratefull for directing me to it.

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(05-26-2019 03:43 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(05-26-2019 03:20 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  The whole problem with Protestantism is that it rests on no authority beyond any particular individual's personal interpretation of various Bible verses, which is not and never was how Christianity was meant to be practiced. That's why there is no point in debating with Protestants; they always revert to "the clear and simple teachings of Scripture" - which of course, none of their denominations can agree on - and amount to little more than the speaker's feelings.

And what does the Orthodox canon amount to? And says who? And based on what?

How was Christianity meant to be practiced? Says who? Based on what?

Was it revealed to you how Christianity was meant to be practiced? Or did you reason it? Or...?

What precisely does agreement signify? What mass or percentage of men agreeing passes your threshold for agreement? And why?

You are basically asking, "What is the Church"? And that is a fine question to ask, since it is so prominently in the Gospel and the books of the "New Testament" it can't de denied. I've been meaning to address also here a mushy idea that is common and also put forth by Protestants: the "invisible church". There are two major problems with this idea. First, it denies that there is a real assembly (kahal in Hebrew, ekklesia in Greek) which was noted as a continuation of the people of God, the very purpose of Christianity and fulfillment of what used to be called Judaism (still the name exists but as a rabbinical offshoot without any possible link to Hebrew practice of worship - I've written on this before as well - no temple no priests no sacrifice). Second, it denies the sacramental reality of said church, which exists to this day and is critical to worship since it is an eternal reality of God.

Quickly, it is verifiable and logical where we receive our teachings and "traditions" - the Holy Apostles. They (as stated in the Acts of the Apostles) "continued to do what Jesus began to do and preach", as he commanded them. St. Luke says this directly, at the very outset - he didn't say they just went along trying to figure things out as they were going. Using one's faculties of reason one must conclude that finding the trusted sources from the beginning is obviously where you go - the Apostles themselves - is not only the teaching, it is self evident.

This is why if you dont have apostolic succession you quite obviously are lacking from the very first step. A pretty bad way to start a journey, beginning improperly.

It is not self insisting to state that the original people who already practiced and still preach the same Gospel, from the very areas where it started, still do it and practice it to this day. I'm shocked how such an obvious thing is denied, of course it can't and won't be countered. Compare that to the origins of an objector from the 16th century in Germany, or worse, from a movement in the late 19th or 20th century. It's laughable. I am not putting down people when I say that either. I am simply treating adults with honesty and respect for what has happened and what is true.

You can find out what the canons of the church are if so inclined.
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Robes:

Mark 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

Hair:

1 Corinthians 11:14 - Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

If Jesus is pointing out that they are wearing long robes then he would be a hypocrite if he also wore long robes.
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"And call no man your father on earth"

It's sorta like "If you don't hate your mother and father and wife and children and brothers and sisters"

Please stop with the literalism. It's just mind numbingly silly. Let's move on.

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What is going on in this thread?

You guys are arguing about hair length and robes? and more "is Catholic or Orthodox or Protestant the right way?"

You've got the cart before the horse. For example when Jesus heals the man on the sabbath

Mark 3:2-4
Quote:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.

4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Jesus changes a man's life, but the Pharisees want to kill him because he broke the rules and did it on a Saturday. Which matters more? Spreading the gospel or having the right denomination or haircut?

Paul clarifies all of this clothing, hair and food stuff in 1 Corinthians 8

Quote: Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend

Knowledge puff us up, but charity edifies us. We have the liberty to eat what we want, or wear our hair how we want but need to be cautious not to have our freedom to do so cause others to fall, especially those weak or new in the faith.

Showing off your biblical expertise to prove another believer wrong does not spread the gospel. If anything, it may turn that person away from Christ if they now doubt themselves, especially a new believer.

You are sitting amongst a forum of thousands of men whose owner just said "I'm turning the ship towards God" and you guys are here on this thread arguing with each about hair and beards when there are other threads that you can now sow the gospel into for the lost or new believer.

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Fine, but as we have said before, please read the title of this thread. And yes, the church mentioned in the creed matters.

Much of the stuff you say matters too. But again, please read the thread title.

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I have a question for our fellow Orthodox members.

How does daily and weekly practice in this religion differ from country to country in your experience?

I was raised Christian which included Sunday school, church service, confirmation, etc. My wife however is from Bulgaria where Orthodox Christianity is the dominant religion.

What I've observed in much of my time in Bulgaria is it's a highly religious country but in practice, very different than America. Every home has pictures/paintings of various saints on the walls. We've been given a number on our various trips which we've brought back to the states. They're a common gift. Religious traditions are often observed in practices such as blessing the house, room to room on Christmas Eve, no meat on Christmas Eve, mid night Easter Service, lighting a candle when visiting a church and saying a silent prayer.

But what is a completely foreign concept to my Bulgarian friends/family is weekly church service, sermons, singing hymns, Sunday school, an active church congregation, studying scripture, etc.

Orthodox practice in Bulgaria appears to be much more individually practiced and the practices observed more thru tradition and culture.

In the states it appears to be more proactive, being an active member of a church and its congregation.

I would appreciate insight and opinions on this as recent events on RVF have re-peaked my interest in religion(s).
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Quote:I have a question for our fellow Orthodox members.

How does daily and weekly practice in this religion differ from country to country in your experience?

You will get a different answer from anyone you ask. Everyone's faith is different.

If you're a committed Orthodox faithful, at the minimum you're looking at two prayers a day, Sunday liturgy, and fasts for the biggest holidays. But you can do much more if you want, including extra attendance at church (e.g. Vespers) and the strict fast (every Wednesday and Friday).

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(06-01-2019 01:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:I have a question for our fellow Orthodox members.

How does daily and weekly practice in this religion differ from country to country in your experience?

You will get a different answer from anyone you ask. Everyone's faith is different.

If you're a committed Orthodox faithful, at the minimum you're looking at two prayers a day, Sunday liturgy, and fasts for the biggest holidays. But you can do much more if you want, including extra attendance at church (e.g. Vespers) and the strict fast (every Wednesday and Friday).

That's a built in Fatty defense right there. I always get a kick out of how science or modern professionals 'discover' something that religions have been practicing forever.

Christian - prays to God : Secular Self Motivator - says positive affirmations 'to the universe', changes mood and gets great results, everyone better to that.

Jews - wash your hands before eating : Secular Medicine - wow there are a lot of germs on your hands, wash them before eating

Orthodox Christians - Fast 2x week : Secular fitness guru - wow, look at all of the health benefits of intermittent fasting, better do that

Jesus - don't be gay : Secular Medicine Dr.- Wow Risks of STDs, suicide, mental illness skyrocket with being gay.....

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(06-01-2019 01:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:I have a question for our fellow Orthodox members.

How does daily and weekly practice in this religion differ from country to country in your experience?

You will get a different answer from anyone you ask. Everyone's faith is different.

If you're a committed Orthodox faithful, at the minimum you're looking at two prayers a day, Sunday liturgy, and fasts for the biggest holidays. But you can do much more if you want, including extra attendance at church (e.g. Vespers) and the strict fast (every Wednesday and Friday).

That suggests, at least in my observations in Bulgaria, that much of the practice of Orthodox Christianity boils down to tradition and culture rather than being an actively committed participant.

I have yet to come across a Bulgarian friend/family member who prays twice daily or fasts, despite them all having Orthodox displays on their walls.

Not sure how that compares to your experiences in other parts of EE.
06-01-2019 02:06 PM
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