Read The Forum Rules: We have a clear set of rules to keep the forum running smoothly. Click here to review them.

Post Reply 
Libertarian Party discussion
Author Message
Handsome Creepy Eel Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Apr 2011
Reputation: 165
Post: #126
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
El Chinito Loco, I think libertarianism is a great philosophy by itself, but the people who populate it are (sadly) overwhelmingly aspies and other sorts of mentally/socially maladjusted people. This leads to:

A) giving libertarianism a bad name, meaning it will never catch up and become popular
B) extreme vulnerability to infiltration by trolls, secret agents and other nefarious forces
C) circle-jerking on internet forums and blogs instead of taking concrete action
D) no concept of compromise, fanatical all-or-nothing mentality and virtue signalling


The insane talking points that we've recently witnessed at the Libertarian national convention are a very good illustration of that.

"Imagine" by HCE | Hitler reacts to Battle of Montreal | An alternative use for squid that has never crossed your mind before
08-21-2016 05:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 8 users Like Handsome Creepy Eel's post:
El Chinito loco, debeguiled, Phoenix, ElFlaco, RoastBeefCurtains4Me, Bluto, Delta, Built to Fade
El Chinito loco Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 4,684
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 71
Post: #127
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(08-21-2016 05:47 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The insane talking points that we've recently witnessed at the Libertarian national convention are a very good illustration of that.

From what I gather many individuals have glommed onto libertarianism as this free for all political philosophy.

This means that for some people it encompasses every single degenerancy and ideal that is counterculture to the mainstream. Any movement that portrays itself as such will attract a massive number of degenerates.

I also never liked Ron Paul. I've always felt he's a completely fucking joke. I don't like his son either who exposed himself during this cycle as a low EQ hobbit.

I feel the same about guys like Bernie Sanders who adopt a faux libertarian stance and always have from the start.

These are all old man demagogues trying to write their way into the pages of history on the backs of an alternative political philosphy and disatisfied voter demographic.

Unfortunately they are the ones who represent this other side of politics which is counter establishment. I attribute this to the stupidity of the American mainstream in general. It really is extremely stupid.

Libertarianism will have to go a long way to filter out these retards and I really don't see it happening. Even some respected individuals love Ron Paul and it's really unfortunate.
08-21-2016 06:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like El Chinito loco's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, Chevy Woonsocket, Samseau, Built to Fade
Chevy Woonsocket Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 176
Joined: Mar 2015
Reputation: 2
Post: #128
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(08-21-2016 06:09 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(08-21-2016 05:47 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The insane talking points that we've recently witnessed at the Libertarian national convention are a very good illustration of that.

From what I gather many individuals have glommed onto libertarianism as this free for all political philosophy.

This means that for some people it encompasses every single degenerancy and ideal that is counterculture to the mainstream. Any movement that portrays itself as such will attract a massive number of degenerates.

I also never liked Ron Paul. I've always felt he's a completely fucking joke. I don't like his son either who exposed himself during this cycle as a low EQ hobbit.

I feel the same about guys like Bernie Sanders who adopt a faux libertarian stance and always have from the start.

These are all old man demagogues trying to write their way into the pages of history on the backs of an alternative political philosphy and disatisfied voter demographic.

Unfortunately they are the ones who represent this other side of politics which is counter establishment. I attribute this to the stupidity of the American mainstream in general. It really is extremely stupid.

Libertarianism will have to go a long way to filter out these retards and I really don't see it happening. Even some respected individuals love Ron Paul and it's really unfortunate.

Murray Rothbard called these types "modal libertarians", he also didn't much care for them either. Link below has a good description and a comparison to modern "modal conservatives".

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/04/ryan...servative/
08-21-2016 03:38 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
El Chinito loco Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 4,684
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 71
Post: #129
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(08-21-2016 03:38 PM)Chevy Woonsocket Wrote:  Murray Rothbard called these types "modal libertarians", he also didn't much care for them either. Link below has a good description and a comparison to modern "modal conservatives".

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/04/ryan...servative/

When he's talking about modal conservativism i'm pretty sure he's also referring to Milton Friedman. Rothbard seemed to have a particular distaste of Friedman which was totally warranted. Friedman seemed to be just an elite shine box boy version of modal conservatism. I've never seen a man with such a horrible track record of getting things wrong consistently praised so highly by the establishment and ivory tower academia.

He spent his entire career sucking off the establishment and creating economic models to justify neo-con expansionist foreign policy while preaching about "non interventionist" neoliberalist free market principles.

He's a jingoistic fuck tard who pretty much agreed with every war since Vietnam and he has millions of mainstream conservative acolytes who look at him like he was Jesus. I seem to recall he also did a legendary flip flop on supporting the Iraq War and W's policies.

Friedman's policies have been a disaster in the developing world as well as right now in the U.S. economy where they are used as a linchpin for central bank monetary policy.
08-21-2016 08:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like El Chinito loco's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, TigerMandingo, Built to Fade
GlobalMan Away
Hummingbird
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 3,028
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 67
Post: #130
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
Gary Johnson is truly laughable, his responses and reasonings (and triggering) in this interview are in fact worse than your typical progressive liberal, at least those types have a convoluted reasoning as a base, Gary doesn't even have that. A really despicable display.




Americans are dreamers too
09-07-2016 04:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 8 users Like GlobalMan's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, debeguiled, Samseau, Off The Reservation, 911, Veloce, Matrixdude, Built to Fade
MMX2010 Offline
Banned

Posts: 3,015
Joined: Dec 2014
Post: #131
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
The worst libertarians and anarchists are those who think their political viewpoints justify pedophila. One Facebook poster's argument began, "Pedophila is not a crime!"

What he meant was, "Pedophila, colloquially defined by the poster as the desire to have sex with children, isn't a crime." That the legal definition isn't that, and that most people don't embrace the poster's definition, wasn't considered important.

That guy was so creepy I almost emailed the Facebook exchange to every elementary school and middle school principal within fifty miles of his home.
09-07-2016 10:59 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like MMX2010's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, Built to Fade
Slim Shady Offline
Ostrich
****
Gold Member

Posts: 2,163
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 41
Post: #132
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
Staunch libertarians are hamstering that just because Johnson isn't Libertarian enough does not mean that you should vote for Trump, who is a "statist".

Let's play Devil's advocate. What are Trump's most statist policies? The one I hate the most is his support of the Patriot Act which Krispe Creme is a big fan of.

He thought TARP was a good idea, but this was much before he was running. Of course it is right that TARP as a much better fix in the short term than what would have happened without it, but it is the very fact that bailouts will happen that screw the utility/risk functions and allow for regular recessions to take place. These recessions keep the bankers solvent because of bailouts and allow them to reap higher returns through speculation in the up years.

On the pro side, he's against exiting NATO, which Ron Paul has been against since atleast the late 80's (I have watched his old speeches).

Trump wants to reform the TSA, and he wants to reform the tax code. These two points are huge in my book. The more he does on these the better.

With regard to border security and illegal immigration, there will be 4th amendment violations with the deportations. But nobody else seems to be proposing a solution! It is a doozy of a problem to solve this and adhere to the letter of the constitution. The only way would be to declare war on Mexico through congress, and deport all Mexicans as foreign agents! Then even legal immigrants would be deported. And the. What about Guatemalans and other nations? What about the Canadian border?

Ron Paul wrote an essay a few days ago about his stance, which has been consistent, that a border is a bad idea because it will eventually be used to keep people IN than out. For example if you have upset the IRS or if you are Brock Turner or if you owe child support/alimony payments. This is a scary and very real possibility. The reason I still respect Ron Paul is because he has legitimate counter arguments.

So this is a good parallel discussion to have. I think that Trump will be much more libertarian than people think, leaving most issues to the states, I certainly hope that he comes around on the Patriot Act. War must be declared on Islam and the Muslim ideology must be put on the same plane as Nazism and Communism to keep out newcomers, but the principle of freedom means that my phones should not be tapped. On the other hand, it will be no worse than what is happening right now.
Thoughts?

You don't get there till you get there
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2016 11:27 AM by Slim Shady.)
09-07-2016 11:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Slim Shady's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, Built to Fade
MMX2010 Offline
Banned

Posts: 3,015
Joined: Dec 2014
Post: #133
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
I don't debate libertarians in policy any more. I just point out that they're less than two percent of the population in every country. That means that for libertarians to become 60% of the population in any country, every libertarian has to convert 29 non-libertarians. And for every libertarian who fails to convert any non-libertarians, another libertarian has to convert an extra 29 non-libertarians.
09-07-2016 11:26 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like MMX2010's post:
RoastBeefCurtains4Me, Built to Fade
Rush87 Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,474
Joined: Jun 2014
Reputation: 26
Post: #134
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
What is Aleppo? Well Gary's fucked. It will be interesting to see who his votes go to. They are conservative leaning after all, so it seems 'optimistic' at best for the MSM to say they will go to Clinton...
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2016 02:29 AM by Rush87.)
09-09-2016 02:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Slim Shady Offline
Ostrich
****
Gold Member

Posts: 2,163
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 41
Post: #135
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(09-07-2016 11:10 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  On the pro side, he's against exiting NATO, which Ron Paul has been against since atleast the late 80's (I have watched his old speeches).

I mean't to say that he is FOR exiting NATO, which Ron Paul has also been for. This is a good thing.

----------

With regards to GJ supporters, most of them are so dogmatic or embarrassed by the beating Trump gave Rand Paul that they will stick with Gary despite their best judgement. But there is a chance that some of the new guys who supported him because they heard of "small government" principles for the first time and decided to vote for the "sane and nice" guy will come over to Trump.

You don't get there till you get there
09-09-2016 09:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Cr33pin Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,621
Joined: Nov 2011
Reputation: 185
Post: #136
RE: Libertarian Party discussion



Bruising cervix since 96
#TeamBeard
09-09-2016 09:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Cr33pin's post:
komatiite, Handsome Creepy Eel, Built to Fade
Phoenix Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,464
Joined: Jul 2014
Post: #137
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
^ Such a fucking sperg. You can see it in his weird hunched-over eyes-darting everywhere when he speaks. Fucking crazy angry expressions which he can't control, or doesn't feel the need to control, on his face when he gets triggered. I'd might even vote for Hillary over that piece of shit.

My guess is that he's just controlled opposition of some sort.
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2016 09:19 AM by Phoenix.)
09-09-2016 09:17 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like Phoenix's post:
911, Handsome Creepy Eel, Slim Shady, Built to Fade
911 Online
Crow
*****

Posts: 5,230
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 59
Post: #138
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
Bill Still has a very good Youtube channel. He's a true libertarian, who run for party leadership in 2012. He makes a good case here of Johnson being controlled by banking interests through a callable loan on debt he's run in his campaigns.






If you're not familiar with Still, here is one of his best pieces, a must-see essay on the history of the Fed system and how it relates to the Wizard of Oz, which he establishes, is an allegory of the corrupt central banking system:




λ ό γ ο ς
09-09-2016 10:04 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
BrewDog Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,258
Joined: Dec 2015
Post: #139
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(09-07-2016 10:59 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  The worst libertarians and anarchists are those who think their political viewpoints justify pedophila. One Facebook poster's argument began, "Pedophila is not a crime!"

What he meant was, "Pedophila, colloquially defined by the poster as the desire to have sex with children, isn't a crime." That the legal definition isn't that, and that most people don't embrace the poster's definition, wasn't considered important.

That guy was so creepy I almost emailed the Facebook exchange to every elementary school and middle school principal within fifty miles of his home.
So, some guy on Facebook represents libertarians? Is THIS your argument against libertarians? Some guy's Facebook post?

Get a fucking life. You deserve the government you've got.
09-18-2016 11:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Roosh Offline
Eagle
*******

Posts: 19,323
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 421
Post: #140
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
^^ 7 day ban

Roosh
http://www.rooshv.com
09-19-2016 06:54 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Phoenix Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,464
Joined: Jul 2014
Post: #141
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
BrewDog is currently on a rage trip. He definitely needs those 7 days to cool off.
09-19-2016 07:29 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 6 users Like Phoenix's post:
Slim Shady, debeguiled, Handsome Creepy Eel, Sauce, MMX2010, Built to Fade
debeguiled Offline
Peacock
******
Gold Member

Posts: 7,786
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 117
Post: #142
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(09-19-2016 07:29 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  BrewDog is currently on a rage trip. He definitely needs those 7 days to cool off.

He was taking on Jehovah in a religion thread. Roosh may have saved his soul in the form of an earthly time out.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

911
09-19-2016 11:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Enoch Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,416
Joined: Nov 2015
Reputation: 12
Post: #143
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
The libertarian party is dead and Donald Trump killed it.

Would still like to see Rand Paul as Sec of State. Only guy who makes sense on foreign policy. Deep down Trump may be a non-interventionist, but he still must genuflect in front of AIPAC and use the military to fight Israel's enemies.
09-23-2016 01:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
911 Online
Crow
*****

Posts: 5,230
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 59
Post: #144
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
Note that Bill Still (see above), who was a finalist in the 2012 LP primaries, is an ardent supporter of Trump, so yes, in that sense, Trump's candidacy overlaps that of the LP.

Johnson is an idiot and a fake libertarian, pro TPP, Hillary fan and triggered by "illegal aliens". That's why he's been hurting Hillary more than Trump, and that is the reason why the MSM has dropped him like a bad habit.

λ ό γ ο ς
09-23-2016 02:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes 911's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel
MMX2010 Offline
Banned

Posts: 3,015
Joined: Dec 2014
Post: #145
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
It is rumored that Gary Johnson knows his presence hurts Hillary, and is therefore sabotaging his campaign.
09-25-2016 04:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
BrewDog Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,258
Joined: Dec 2015
Post: #146
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
As governor of New Mexico, Johnson cut taxes 18 times and left NM with a billion dollar surplus in a majority democrat state. I don't think he's such a kook.
09-26-2016 06:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
BrewDog Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,258
Joined: Dec 2015
Post: #147
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
So I was "politely" invited to leave the thread with all the Trump supporters tonight and instructed to come back to the libertarian thread where I belong. Because Republicans, like Democrats, love freedom of expression only as long as you agree with them.

So I wondered if someone could tell me why all the hard core Republicans hate libertarians so much. Our Founding Fathers were libertarians. They were fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Stay out of my money and out of my bedroom. George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson all wanted freedom and small government. They were libertarians.

The Republicans say they want all those things, but they give us new socialist programs like Medicare Plan B and new crony war systems that help their buddies. I have to buy my contact lenses from a bootleg online shop in the UK; I can't buy ephedrine anymore (because that really hurts society), and I wanted to gamble for nickle poker last night, but I couldn't because George Bush said it was immoral. I can't even use a proxy to buy into poker tournaments online because my US credit card is blocked. Perhaps that seems like a small deal, but it's a government infringement, and I have no use for it. I don't hurt anyone when I wear contact lenses or when I take ephedra or when I gamble online poker. Who is your government to tell me I can't do any of these harmless things?

So, with all the small government rhetoric, why do you Republicans hate us so much? Because we actually believe what you say you do? Yet your representatives don't really mean itt? I don't want an IRS. Or a Department of Housing. Or a Department of Education. Why do these libertarian ideas sound so outlandish to you and enrage you so much? Even the democrats don't get so mad as the republicans do.

So, since I've been relegated to my libertarian thread and I'm not welcome to have any discourse in the republican thread, I welcome you into the libertarian discussion.

This isn't really my thread, but I'd enjoy hearing your input.
09-26-2016 11:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
SamuelBRoberts Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 4,842
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 93
Post: #148
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
I'll restate what I said in the other thread.

Libertarians are patsies. If a libertarian government was every elected to the US, it would be elected for one term.
Its open borders policies would flood the country with people from countries far to the left of the US on the political spectrum. They would vote the libertarians out of power, and the libertarians would never be able to win another election.

It doesn't matter if you, personally, aren't for open borders. The libertarian party has always been for open borders, far, far more so than even the democrats. You can go on their website, and read about their policies.
Here's the relevant section from their website: "Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Unrestricted. That means no restrictions, whatsoever. Under the libertarian party platform, the entire population of South America could move here, and vote for whatever policies they want. You would be completely unable to stop them.

Libertarians are patsies and fools.
09-26-2016 11:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
BrewDog Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,258
Joined: Dec 2015
Post: #149
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(09-26-2016 11:52 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I'll restate what I said in the other thread.

Libertarians are patsies. If a libertarian government was every elected to the US, it would be elected for one term.
Its open borders policies would flood the country with people from countries far to the left of the US on the political spectrum. They would vote the libertarians out of power, and the libertarians would never be able to win another election.

It doesn't matter if you, personally, aren't for open borders. The libertarian party has always been for open borders, far, far more so than even the democrats. You can go on their website, and read about their policies.
Here's the relevant section from their website: "Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Unrestricted. That means no restrictions, whatsoever. Under the libertarian party platform, the entire population of South America could move here, and vote for whatever policies they want. You would be completely unable to stop them.

Libertarians are patsies and fools.
That's not true. The Libertarian PARTY wants open borders. And Gary Johnson, sadly, likes open borders, too. Their philosophy being that if we had a true Laisse faire free market with no handouts, then we wouldn't have a flood of moochers. And I agree with that part to some point, but that's not what we have. We have a socialist/crony capitalist government system of benefits to moochers and looters. Be it corporations that loot from their crony politicians or from constituent voters that just want free shit.

But Neo-Libertarians want to close the borders. And that's why I describe myself as a libertarian with a little l. I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a libertarian. I don't agree with the party. Libertarians in general don't like being part of a group, meaning we don't like political parties. We're individualists. And that's the downfall of libertarians. We can agree on 98% of things, but that two percent, we'll argue with one another to the ends of earth. Libertarians are more idealistic than anyone else. Some people that don't understand libertarianism describe us as moderates. There's nothing moderate about a libertarian. We're hard core.

But to say we're duped or stupid, that's ridiculous. Any poll you can research with the IQ's of the ideologies of Dems, Republicans or libertarians, we smoke you in IQ and education. Libertarians have more understanding of the world and of politics than the vast majority of the two major parties. If you wish to call me stupid or ignorant or duped, I expect it. But it doesn't make it true because you dislike the truth. And the truth is, your guy, Donald Trump. He's not very bright. You want to talk about what Gary Johnson knows about the world? Look at some of the bafoonery that Donald has claimed. You like that guy, but Gary Johnson is an idiot? Man, come on.
09-27-2016 12:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes BrewDog's post:
puckerman
SamuelBRoberts Offline
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 4,842
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 93
Post: #150
RE: Libertarian Party discussion
"That's not true. The Libertarian PARTY wants open borders. And Gary Johnson, sadly, likes open borders, too. Their philosophy being that if we had a true Laisse faire free market with no handouts, then we wouldn't have a flood of moochers. And I agree with that part to some point, but that's not what we have. We have a socialist/crony capitalist government system of benefits to moochers and looters. Be it corporations that loot from their crony politicians or from constituent voters that just want free shit."

But this is a retard philosophy. Again, it doesn't matter what kind of market you propose. You can institute your perfect, "Laisse faire" free market with no handouts, no mooching, and no anything. And then 500 million south Americans can come in and vote for a 90% tax rate, and there'll be nothing you can do to stop them.


"But Neo-Libertarians want to close the borders. And that's why I describe myself as a libertarian with a little l. I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a libertarian. I don't agree with the party. Libertarians in general don't like being part of a group, meaning we don't like political parties. We're individualists. And that's the downfall of libertarians. We can agree on 98% of things, but that two percent, we'll argue with one another to the ends of earth. Libertarians are more idealistic than anyone else. Some people that don't understand libertarianism describe us as moderates. There's nothing moderate about a libertarian. We're hard core.""

In a two-party system, the libertarian party's only function is to divert votes from the Republican party and make the democratic party stronger, leading to bigger government. If you actually want to make a different, voting republican is your only choice. If you don't want to make a difference, that's fine, but don't expect other people to be impressed. From the perspective of actual outcomes, you're no different from a guy who watches 40 hours of TV a week and doesn't go to the polls because American Idol is on.
09-27-2016 12:18 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
Question Ukraine’s libertarian revolution Blake2 26 1,942 09-17-2019 10:01 AM
Last Post: Mage
  Voting franchise discussion Bluey 20 1,388 08-17-2019 07:37 PM
Last Post: Genghis Khan
  The Bugman city thread (degenerate leftist cities discussion) Rorogue 27 4,391 08-08-2019 02:08 PM
Last Post: TigOlBitties

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication