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Interesting articles:

https://www.breitbart.com/news/trump-hop...h-britain/

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09...tion-cuts/

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that he will “roll out the red carpet” to American businesses, hinting at major reforms post-Brexit to taxation and regulations which would expand Britain’s global reach to investors and increase trade.
Addressing American and Canadian business leaders at a breakfast reception in New York City on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly on Tuesday, Prime Minister Johnson said he wants to deepen North American-British trade.

“We want to do so much more, because our country is going up a gear,” the prime minister said. “On October 31st, we intend to be more global, more outward looking, more committed to the rest of the world than ever before.

“We’re going to take advantage of all the freedoms that Brexit can give whether it’s new tax allowances for businesses or speedier public procurement contracts or creating new free ports, enterprise zones, devising better regulations for sectors the UK leads the world [… and] more competitive tax rates.”

The United States is the United Kingdom’s second-largest trading partner, and European leaders are frightened the effect that a closer Anglo-American alliance would have on the bloc: German Chancellor Angela Merkel said last week that she feared the UK becoming an “economic competitor” on Europe’s doorstep; European Council President-elect Charles Michel expressed concern how the EU would keep close ties with the UK if it is “now looking more and more toward the United States”; while Guy ‘Europe-Must-Become-an-Empire’ Verhofstadt said the EU will not accept the UK becoming a low-tax, low-regulation “Singapore on the North Sea”.


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VP Pence: U.S. ‘Stands with the UK’ over Brexit, Trump Wants Trade Deal https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09...nts-trade/


VP Pence: U.S. 'Stands with the UK' over Brexit, Trump Wants Trade Deal
U.S. Vice President Pence met with British Prime Minister Johnson, conveying that America "supports the UK’s decision to leave the EU”.

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Mr Johnson continued: “We will roll out the red carpet for our American friends. We are increasing the number of visas for scientists. We’re ensuring that your brilliant students can stay on for two years so as to get real value from their studies and so that our economy in the UK benefits from their expertise.”

“We want to do the much-vaunted free trade deal,” the prime minister added, and lamented how current trade rules — in the EU and the U.S. — are preventing more trade, saying “it is absolutely absurd that there should be tariffs in the UK on Californian wine or British shoppers should pay over the odds for Florida orange juice. But it is also absurd that the population of America has gone for decades with not eating a morsel of British lamb, or beef — let alone haggis.”

“The US military are banned from buying British tape measures as if there were some kind of general prejudice still against British rulers of all kinds,” he joked, the prime minister managing to remain relaxed and in good humour despite the Supreme Court’s earlier ruling that his suspension of parliament was unlawful.

The Sun reported this week that the U.S. and UK could agree a bilateral trade deal that is wrapped up by as soon as July 2020. A senior government source told the tabloid: “The political will is there now on both sides to do the deal by July. It’s a great win for us, and Trump is also really keen to shout about it in the States.”

President Trump and Prime Minister Johnson are set to discuss trade on the fringes of the UN General Assembly on Tuesday.


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Eurocrats Threaten to Block Future Trade Deal over Divorce Bill https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08...orce-bill/


Eurocrats Threaten to Block Future Trade Deal over Divorce Bill
The EU has threatened to block a future trade deal if the UK refuses to pay the £39 billion 'divorce bill' in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

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A free trade deal with the US gives as much economic benefit as the EU, almost certainly a lot more than the EU, and the Brits keep their sovereignty. No brainer, really.

Cheap America oil and gas will quite literally ignite Britain's economy. Low energy costs is one of the number one reasons America is so prosperous. The oil on this continent is way better than any money printing press.

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I have read through the judgement of the Supreme Court, and unfortunately, on balance, I feel they are correct in their ruling. It is a catastrophe for Britain, that may well prove to be a defining moment in our history, and have set the course for our future.

So, what is the situation:

- Britain cannot legally leave without a deal
- The courts have shown that they will not support the use of prerogative powers to circumvent parliament's attempts to bind the hands of the nation, regardless of how damaging those attempts may prove
- Consequently, Boris will now have to ask for an extension
- Given that we cannot leave with no deal, and the courts have shown they will frustrate any attempt to do so, a deal, if one is given at all, is entirely within the gift of the EU
- There is no reason for them to give us any terms at all. Since we can't leave without accepting a deal, however terrible, they have the option of reducing us to a state of complete vassalage, and we are helpless to do anything about it.
- Subsequent governments, which those on the left feel confident they will occupy, may feel they can regain parity within the institution. But why should this be the case? The EU can mandate that we must remain, and do so on the terms they offer.
- The only solution, short of revolution, is to elect a majority of parliamentarians who are prepared to see through a no deal Brexit. The chances of this any time soon are very small.
- We cannot afford to be very much more reduced than we already are. We have fallen precipitously over the past 80 years, and the road back (to wealth and significance) is long and daunting. A decade or so of subjugation as will be likely under a left wing coalition and deliberate financial hamstringing by the EU, could leave us too far gone to ever effectively regain our independence.
- At this point, the Government will have to do something illegal, and subsequently retain power long enough to see it take effect, if we are to leave. Or we will have to wait and endure a great many humiliations until such time as there is a hard leave majority in Parliament. Or people will have to take to the streets, but that is extremely unlikely.
- This ruling, in my view, rules out the Macron escape card of a French extension veto - the UK is truly reduced to vassalage under these circumstances. As the French eye control over the EU as the resurgent power in the Union in the face of impending German economic turmoil, a neutered UK forced to make significant financial contributions would potentially be quite attractive to the French.

This ruling by the supreme court could prove to be check mate
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H1N1, yes, in terms of normal procedure, things look utterly intractable now. The UK establishment, together with the EU have expertly and ruthlessly shut down every avenue of escape. The Brexit Rat is left to run around the maze in frustrated impotence until he runs out of energy and collapses in exhaustion.

At least that's what they think. In truth, things are only now going to get truly started. Both sides are dug-in now, and the fence-sitters are starting to get splinters. This can never be resolved quickly and satisfactorily now, whatever happens. Taking Wars and Civil Wars out of the equation, this has the potential to be one of the biggest shit-shows in English history.

It all seemed so simple back in 2016 (to the naive); you get one vote to either Leave or Remain in the European Union and whatever the majority decide will then be implemented!

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Interesting Times.

I still think that one aspect is true for our side.

The Left have had it all their own way. I don't think they understand the bear that they had been poking and laughing at.

It may take years for them to figure out.

Personally part of me would be happy to see the meltdown that would be a Liberal-Labour government.
I would like to see an electoral strike by the Right. zero voting for the traitors.
With it an end of the Conservatives as a political party in the House of Commons.

I can dream.
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(09-25-2019 04:53 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  I still think that one aspect is true for our side.

What's our side? Is America on our side?

It seems to me the biggest global powers that helped to push the globo-homo corporate capitalism model is America and Britain. Nothing could be worse for me than to have greater US involvement in British affairs.

Isnt America the worse country, power, culture in the world for the thinking, red-pilled man?
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(09-25-2019 07:52 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:53 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  I still think that one aspect is true for our side.

What's our side? Is America on our side?

It seems to me the biggest global powers that helped to push the globo-homo corporate capitalism model is America and Britain. Nothing could be worse for me than to have greater US involvement in British affairs.

Isnt America the worse country, power, culture in the world for the thinking, red-pilled man?

Our side is the people who want a sovereign Britain with a reasonably old-school culture.

I don't trust the US that much. Even if Trump is the Strong Deliverer he could be defeated in 2020 or go in 2024 and the Democrats hate us, go to the back of the queue as Obama's administration said and even Pelosi more recently.

When Britain and America have clashed on things like Bananas there has been no love lost. In the 1930s the US had a British Invasion plan in case of too much rivalry.

The idea of cheap US gas igniting our economy I don't know about.. we've destroyed all of our manufacturing.. all we have now is imports and warehousing.

Just like WWII there are ways in which the US and Britain could work together that mutually strengthens both nations. Plenty to learn and get from the US. But I wouldn't trust the loony leftie US politicians.

Of course the real enemy remains the presence of termites in our midst.
3 years ago it was about reasoning with and debating with them.
Building a more tolerant, free thinking society.
I've given up on that.
I don't want to talk to them anymore. I don't care for them anymore.

Their hateful and dishonest conduct has rubbed off on me.

Mass Annhilation of these dishonest hate-filled children - don't give a fuck.
They think they're all that. But even most of the edgy 'street' types have hardly ever been in a proper one-on-one fist fight, let alone fights where they are outnumbered.
In a legitimate war where Brexiteers get to take time off work and organise we would crush them.

Talking is now over.. Its time for annihilation.

To quote JJ Cale, "it would be a stronger world. A stronger, more loving world.. in which to die in."

Less a few paper-alphas and soy-boy-cucks.

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Historians of the future should call this “The Turkey Parliament”.




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British Parliamenti is a bit of a joke to me. People sitting opposite each other in a confrontationa set up vs sitting in a circle, the more traditionally democratic set up.

Also, not enough seats in there and you often see MPs standing lol wat a joke. Looks cramped as hell and with all the shouting and jeering I imagine it gets awfully hot and uncomfortable over there.

Clearly this establishment (whether Tory or Left) is not fit to rule.

The problem with Britain is too much importance is placed on tradition and not enough on doing things the right way (eg how the rest of the world does it)
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Why is a circle necessarily more democratic? Is there a hierarchy of democratic geometry? Are hexagons notoriously illiberal? The reason you have two banks of benches, which is infinitely preferable to other seating arrangements, is precisely because it is an adversarial system - the party not in power are in 'opposition', and they sit facing governments as their opponents. It's a beautiful parliamentary set up.

They aren't necessarily MPs standing - there are other people in the chamber who perform administrative roles that require them to go in and out regularly, like clerks.

Tradition is a great safeguard against those who think their individual wisdom is greater than the cumulative wisdom of generations of very fine minds.
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Actually I just double checked and there are NOT enough seats in the House of Commons for all MPs. It could have been enlarged when it was rebuilt but apparantly (according to the internet) Churchill did not want to enlarge, something to do with maintaining the 'intimate' atmosphere.
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Yeah, I like the adversarial atmosphere, particularly for times like now when things get real. Although women have completely ruined it; they can't argue effectively without screeching, being emotional and bringing their sex or kids up at every opportunity. Just look at yesterday for example; you had female MP, after female MP stand up and scream incoherently at Boris, but when you look at the news today it's all about Boris being 'dismissive' (against women!) and using 'confrontational language' ?! Basically, he stood his ground, fought his corner and battled back and they don't like it.

The establishment, MP's and media want him to 'moderate' his language (code for 'don't fight back') while rap 'artists' can pull stunts like this (below) without even getting a mention in the Commons!;

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(09-25-2019 03:26 PM)mr_ks Wrote:  Actually I just double checked and there are NOT enough seats in the House of Commons for all MPs.

It doesn't matter.

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(09-25-2019 09:13 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  British Parliamenti is a bit of a joke to me. People sitting opposite each other in a confrontationa set up vs sitting in a circle, the more traditionally democratic set up.

Also, not enough seats in there and you often see MPs standing lol wat a joke. Looks cramped as hell and with all the shouting and jeering I imagine it gets awfully hot and uncomfortable over there.

Clearly this establishment (whether Tory or Left) is not fit to rule.

The problem with Britain is too much importance is placed on tradition and not enough on doing things the right way (eg how the rest of the world does it)

See this is the thing..

I listen to the Nigel Farage phone-in and people call up bleating and moaning about Brexit and "the UK in general"..

Despite their anglo-sounding names and British accents my spider-senses start tingling straight away. Lo and behold, later on in EVERY 5th column 'I don't like Britain' call they qualify "listen, I've experienced Racism!" ------ ha ha righto.

Every workplace I've been in I hear the same thing from non-white colleagues "I don't FEEL British" "I just don't identify as British -- No, no, me neither" variations on "My team special victimhood story. Don't get enough recognition and amelioration for being different. also: Britain so stupid.."

Well MY team - Rayyyyy-cist! Gammons! Fascists! Nazis! - pure projection.

Mr_ks : Sorry to tell you -

Circles, Squares, Hexagons, dodecahedrons..

You are merely expressing your racial animus.
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(09-27-2019 12:49 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 09:13 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  British Parliamenti is a bit of a joke to me. People sitting opposite each other in a confrontationa set up vs sitting in a circle, the more traditionally democratic set up.

Also, not enough seats in there and you often see MPs standing lol wat a joke. Looks cramped as hell and with all the shouting and jeering I imagine it gets awfully hot and uncomfortable over there.

Clearly this establishment (whether Tory or Left) is not fit to rule.

The problem with Britain is too much importance is placed on tradition and not enough on doing things the right way (eg how the rest of the world does it)

See this is the thing..

I listen to the Nigel Farage phone-in and people call up bleating and moaning about Brexit and "the UK in general"..

Despite their anglo-sounding names and British accents my spider-senses start tingling straight away. Lo and behold, later on in EVERY 5th column 'I don't like Britain' call they qualify "listen, I've experienced Racism!" ------ ha ha righto.

Every workplace I've been in I hear the same thing from non-white colleagues "I don't FEEL British" "I just don't identify as British -- No, no, me neither" variations on "My team special victimhood story. Don't get enough recognition and amelioration for being different. also: Britain so stupid.."

Well MY team - Rayyyyy-cist! Gammons! Fascists! Nazis! - pure projection.

Mr_ks : Sorry to tell you -

Circles, Squares, Hexagons, dodecahedrons..

You are merely expressing your racial animus.

That's the problem. Everyone getting mixed up at the difference between Citizenship, Nationality and Ethnicity. You can be non-white and call yourself a citizen of Britain, but you can't be non-white and be ethnically English (although you can be part-English if you're of mixed parentage).

Total mess of course, and we could go on all day about it. But the bottom-line is that multiculturalism/diversity is a nightmare. Individuals can get on with one another but groups can't.

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(09-25-2019 04:02 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I have read through the judgement of the Supreme Court, and unfortunately, on balance, I feel they are correct in their ruling. It is a catastrophe for Britain, that may well prove to be a defining moment in our history, and have set the course for our future.

So, what is the situation:

- Britain cannot legally leave without a deal
- The courts have shown that they will not support the use of prerogative powers to circumvent parliament's attempts to bind the hands of the nation, regardless of how damaging those attempts may prove
- Consequently, Boris will now have to ask for an extension
- Given that we cannot leave with no deal, and the courts have shown they will frustrate any attempt to do so, a deal, if one is given at all, is entirely within the gift of the EU
- There is no reason for them to give us any terms at all. Since we can't leave without accepting a deal, however terrible, they have the option of reducing us to a state of complete vassalage, and we are helpless to do anything about it.
- Subsequent governments, which those on the left feel confident they will occupy, may feel they can regain parity within the institution. But why should this be the case? The EU can mandate that we must remain, and do so on the terms they offer.
- The only solution, short of revolution, is to elect a majority of parliamentarians who are prepared to see through a no deal Brexit. The chances of this any time soon are very small.
- We cannot afford to be very much more reduced than we already are. We have fallen precipitously over the past 80 years, and the road back (to wealth and significance) is long and daunting. A decade or so of subjugation as will be likely under a left wing coalition and deliberate financial hamstringing by the EU, could leave us too far gone to ever effectively regain our independence.
- At this point, the Government will have to do something illegal, and subsequently retain power long enough to see it take effect, if we are to leave. Or we will have to wait and endure a great many humiliations until such time as there is a hard leave majority in Parliament. Or people will have to take to the streets, but that is extremely unlikely.
- This ruling, in my view, rules out the Macron escape card of a French extension veto - the UK is truly reduced to vassalage under these circumstances. As the French eye control over the EU as the resurgent power in the Union in the face of impending German economic turmoil, a neutered UK forced to make significant financial contributions would potentially be quite attractive to the French.

This ruling by the supreme court could prove to be check mate

So... no Brexit?

(09-25-2019 09:42 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Why is a circle necessarily more democratic? Is there a hierarchy of democratic geometry? Are hexagons notoriously illiberal?

Who are you responding to? I am interested.

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(09-25-2019 09:13 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  British Parliamenti is a bit of a joke to me. People sitting opposite each other in a confrontationa set up vs sitting in a circle, the more traditionally democratic set up.
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(09-28-2019 11:49 AM)OskuroPekenyo Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 04:02 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I have read through the judgement of the Supreme Court, and unfortunately, on balance, I feel they are correct in their ruling. It is a catastrophe for Britain, that may well prove to be a defining moment in our history, and have set the course for our future.

So, what is the situation:

- Britain cannot legally leave without a deal
- The courts have shown that they will not support the use of prerogative powers to circumvent parliament's attempts to bind the hands of the nation, regardless of how damaging those attempts may prove
- Consequently, Boris will now have to ask for an extension
- Given that we cannot leave with no deal, and the courts have shown they will frustrate any attempt to do so, a deal, if one is given at all, is entirely within the gift of the EU
- There is no reason for them to give us any terms at all. Since we can't leave without accepting a deal, however terrible, they have the option of reducing us to a state of complete vassalage, and we are helpless to do anything about it.
- Subsequent governments, which those on the left feel confident they will occupy, may feel they can regain parity within the institution. But why should this be the case? The EU can mandate that we must remain, and do so on the terms they offer.
- The only solution, short of revolution, is to elect a majority of parliamentarians who are prepared to see through a no deal Brexit. The chances of this any time soon are very small.
- We cannot afford to be very much more reduced than we already are. We have fallen precipitously over the past 80 years, and the road back (to wealth and significance) is long and daunting. A decade or so of subjugation as will be likely under a left wing coalition and deliberate financial hamstringing by the EU, could leave us too far gone to ever effectively regain our independence.
- At this point, the Government will have to do something illegal, and subsequently retain power long enough to see it take effect, if we are to leave. Or we will have to wait and endure a great many humiliations until such time as there is a hard leave majority in Parliament. Or people will have to take to the streets, but that is extremely unlikely.
- This ruling, in my view, rules out the Macron escape card of a French extension veto - the UK is truly reduced to vassalage under these circumstances. As the French eye control over the EU as the resurgent power in the Union in the face of impending German economic turmoil, a neutered UK forced to make significant financial contributions would potentially be quite attractive to the French.

This ruling by the supreme court could prove to be check mate

So... no Brexit?

(09-25-2019 09:42 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Why is a circle necessarily more democratic? Is there a hierarchy of democratic geometry? Are hexagons notoriously illiberal?

Who are you responding to? I am interested.

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RE: UK Referendum on EU Membership (Brexit) Thread
So I'm seeing some articles in the MSM saying Johnson will face a confidence vote, of which he might lose as the majority remainers are more numerous.

The SNP has come out recently that they will put Corbyn in as a temp PM.

This is one of their few options and it is a nuclear option. What would happen after is a GE. These people in Parliament are already getting death threats and other physical confrontations by many people. Phone lines have to be cut due to the sheer volume of hate towards them.

If they do this - putting Corbyn in as a temp PM to destroy Brexit and get a GE then it is likely we will see things escalate.

I said 90% chance Brexit is over but having seen and heard the sheer anger from many people I reckon its 50/50 now if a GE were to happen and the Torys and Brexit worked together.

One problem with this is Dominic Cummings, Boris' right hand man who says thats not going to happen. He should be fired and both Blue teams need to work together or this country is doomed. This isn't black pill anymore but stark reality facing us.
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09-28-2019 06:32 PM
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RE: UK Referendum on EU Membership (Brexit) Thread
(09-28-2019 01:37 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  I think this was posted earlier in the thread (or maybe a different thread), but if you missed it, this interview with historian David Starkey about the Brexit debacle is worthwhile:




Define treason.

Treason is a concept premised around owing loyalty to a single nation of which solely you are a citizen and which in turn is obligated to protect you from invasion.

Now someone can spend most of their life in India or Israel or China then immigrate to a Western nation and say "I love England yada yada yada give me my passport" and they're a citizen. They can send most of what they make back "home", agitate for preferable treatment for their "home country" or flat out lobby for the dismantlement of their current location on behalf of the nation they always intended to return to anyway.

I'm not sure the concept of treason even exists anymore. Our nation's governments are entirely disloyal to us and citizenship is a meaningless concept.

The vast Israel lobby isn't committing treason, they're foreigners robbing us all blind with the full intention to steal off into the night as soon as the coffers are cleaned out.

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09-28-2019 09:54 PM
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RE: UK Referendum on EU Membership (Brexit) Thread
Brexit will happen one way or another and when it happens, get the popcorn out!
09-29-2019 12:19 AM
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Yes. We no longer live in countries. We live in economies.

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09-29-2019 06:36 AM
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