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The Official Roosh/RVF/ROK media mention thread
I have noticed that Roosh is still being mentioned in important mainstream media outlets even now. The ROK February 2016 meetup crisis and its after effects certainly seems to have made the various official "news" sources take notice of us a lot more, and keep referencing Roosh (and sometimes also Return of Kings and occasionally RVF) even after the main events have passed.

Rather than post new media references in individual threads where they might not get seen, I thought it would be a good idea to have a master thread where we can flag any official media references to Roosh, ROK and anything else related to us in one place. This will help us to have a better surveillance of our critics and adversaries in real time and we can spot possible "trends" and upcoming multiple media attacks against us much sooner. Obviously if an event is big enough, it will get its own thread.

After consulting with Roosh himself, I have decided to start this thread.

2 important media references from this week follow in the next post.
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In the last few days both "Le Monde" in France and "Die Zeit" in Germany (both "serious" non tabloid, big important newspapers) have mentioned Roosh.


Roosh has been linked to Donald Trump in the German Press.

I don't know what it says, but I know the newspaper "Die Zeit" is pretty damn big and important in Germany.
It's not a sensationalist tabloid...but a very big newspaper which intellectuals, politicians and rich people read. Wikipedia calls it "the most widely read German weekly newspaper."


http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-02/us-wah...publikaner


Original German text:
Quote:Team Trump in Hollywood

Die Republikaner behaupten, der US-Wahlkampf sei ein Kulturkampf. Wenn man sich die Liste ihrer prominenten Fürsprecher ansieht, könnte man das sogar glauben.

Von Fabian Wolff

23. Februar 2016,

Wem gerade langweilig ist, der kann einfach auf Twitter gehen und sich vom Hollywood-Schauspieler James Woods beschimpfen lassen. Woods, bekannt aus Salvador (1986) und Mord im Zwiebelfeld (1979), hat seit einer Weile eine Art Zweitkarriere als konservativer Kommentator auf Twitter. Er postet über Obamas Verfehlungen und Verbrechen, verlinkt konservative Medien und streitet sich mit anderen Twitter-Nutzern. Wer ihm widerspricht, ist ein "Clown" oder gleich "Abschaum".

Vor noch 15 Jahren hätte dieses Verhalten das Ende seiner Karriere bedeutet. Heute wird Woods von Republikanern hofiert und darf Off-Sprecher der offiziellen Dokumentation über Carly Fiorina sein. Kurzzeitig hatte er Fiorina auch endorsed – ihr seine Unterstützung zugesagt und zu "seiner" Kandidatin bestimmt – um dann doch zu Ted Cruz zu wechseln. Das Fiorina-Lager war sauer, das Cruz-Lager erfreut.

In den USA gehören prominente Unterstützer – ob Sportler, Schauspieler oder Musiker – zum politischen Betrieb, und die Jagd nach ihnen ist ein wichtiger Teil des Wahlkampfs. Entertainment wird nicht politisch, Politik wird zu Entertainment. Der Begriff celebrity endorsement kommt eigentlich aus der Werbung: Elizabeth Taylor lässt nur Max Factor an ihre Lippen; Heidi Klum bevorzugt Margaret Astor und Drei-Wetter-Taft. Schön. Aber dass Mike Tyson öffentlich äußert, er wolle Donald Trump im Weißen Haus sehen, hat eine andere Qualität.

Dazu gibt es in Deutschland kein Äquivalent, noch nicht einmal eine direkte Übersetzung. Prominente hier engagieren sich gegen Kinderarmut und für Umweltschutz, aber nur selten für konkrete parteipolitische Ziele oder gar Kandidaten. Wer weiß schon, wen Claude-Oliver Rudolph wählt?

In den USA haben offen konservative Stars große Bedeutung für das Image der Republikaner, die sich stets als ausgegrenzte Minderheit und Stimme der stillen Mehrheit gleichzeitig positionieren. Die englischsprachige Wikipedia listet hilfreich die Unterstützer aller Kandidaten auf. Ted Cruz hat nicht nur James Woods, sondern auch den Dramatiker David Mamet und den Rundfunkmoderator Glenn Beck auf seiner Seite. Auch die ewige Frage, wer denn eigentlich bitte den ewig schläfrigen Ex-Gehirnchirurgen Ben Carson wählen würde, kann endlich beantwortet werden: Roger McGuinn von den Byrds, der Sitcom-Star Kelsey Grammer und der Oscar-Preisträger Mickey Rourke zum Beispiel.

Trump zieht die Spinner an

Die illustreste Runde hat sich natürlich um Trump geschart: diverse Wrestler, aber auch der umstrittene Vergewaltigungsbefürworter Roosh V, der als mental instabile bekannte Gary Busey und der Rocker Ted Nugent, der kürzlich auf Facebook verbreitete, dass eine jüdische Verschwörung den Amerikanern die Waffen wegnehmen will.

Selbst ein radikal Rechter wie Ted Cruz würde sich von so einer Gefolgschaft distanzieren müssen, Trump sieht dazu keine Veranlassung. Als Kandidat, der "Anti-Establishment" ist, zeigt er tatsächlich ein paar der Widersprüche auf, mit dem der Rest der Republikaner seit Jahren kämpft. Trotz des Erfolgs von Trump und der Tea Party gibt es bestimmte rechte Grenzen, die sie nicht übertreten dürfen, um Wähler zu verlieren.

Aber der Feind steht natürlich weiterhin links. Die zahlreichen Labels – konservativ gegen liberal, red state gegen blue state, traditionell gegen progressiv – fassen den Konflikt nur unzureichend. Es geht nicht einfach nur um Wirtschaft und Finanzpolitik, es geht um fundamental unterschiedliche Vorstellungen, wie die amerikanische Gesellschaft aussehen soll. Hauptschauplatz dieses Konflikts, meinen die Konservativen, ist die Kultur.


Roosh is mentioned in the French Press

"Le Monde" based in Paris, is one of the biggest and oldest French news outlets in the world



http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2016..._3232.html



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Quote:« Le Web permet à une nouvelle forme de violence contre les femmes de se répandre »

Le Monde.fr | 19.02.2016

Par Léa Clermont-Dion

« T’as du sable dans le vagin », « Salope », « Conne », « tu devrais avoir le cancer ». Les attaques sexistes pleuvent dans le far-Web, répandues ici et là, dans le cyberespace parfois dans un anonymat complet et trop souvent en toute impunité. Un constat s’impose. Les dispositions législatives nationales semblent trop souvent insuffisantes pour limiter le discours haineux et sexiste.

Contrairement à ce que les auteurs de telles invectives semblent croire, la violence en ligne n’est pas sans conséquence, elle peut parfois entraîner la mort. Que l’on se souvienne de la tragique histoire de la jeune canadienne Amanda Todd, qui s’est suicidée en 2012, à l’âge de 15 ans, après avoir subi des menaces au revenge porn, soit la diffusion en ligne de contenu sexuellement explicite sans le consentement des personnes concernées. Un jeune homme dont elle avait fait la connaissance en ligne exigeait qu’elle se dévête devant sa webcam. À force de chantage, il est parvenu à lui soutirer plusieurs photos compromettantes. Ce qui ne l’a pas empêché de mettre ses menaces à exécution en publiant en ligne les clichés obtenus. Peu avant son suicide, Amanda a diffusé une vidéo sur YouTube dans laquelle elle racontait le harcèlement qu’elle avait vécu.

La haine contre les femmes n’est pas un phénomène marginal. En octobre 2015, l’ONU a publié un rapport qui démontre 73 % des femmes internautes dans le monde auraient expérimenté une cyberviolence sexo-spécifique : sextorsion, harcèlement, slut-shaming, fat-shaming, (« haro sur les salopes », « sur les grosses »), etc.

Sexisme et discours haineux

Toutes les manifestations de sexisme sur le Web ne relèvent pas de la catégorie du discours haineux. Le Conseil de l’Europe définit le terme de discours de haine comme « toutes formes d’expression qui propagent, incitent, promeuvent et justifient la haine raciale, la xénophobie, l’antisémitisme et d’autres formes de haine. »

Définir juridiquement la sexophobie reste un défi et très peu de pays ont pris des dispositions pénales. La Grèce, les Pays-Bas et la Suède ont adopté des lois, souvent contestées, sur le cyberharcèlement. La France et la Grande-Bretagne ont, eux, choisi de cibler la revenge porn. Le Canada cible, pour sa part, le discours haineux.

Mais la liberté d’expression sans limite continue d’être la règle en ligne. Ce qui permet à un individu comme Roosh V, antiféministe très connu sur le Web, misogyne assumé faisant l’apologie de l’homme blanc privilégié, de profiter de cette situation pour disséminer ses idées. Ce célèbre blogueur va même jusqu’à en appeler à la légalisation du viol dans des lieux privés. Comment se fait-il qu’il puisse continuer à propager la haine des femmes en toute impunité ? Trop peu de dispositions législatives nationales s’intéressent spécifiquement à la propagation du discours haineux sexiste. Il est vrai que l’équilibre entre liberté d’expression et la non-discrimination est difficile à définir. Il faudrait également savoir quelle juridiction a autorité pour sévir contre Roosh V, si l’espace sans frontière du Web est l’endroit où il s’exprime.

Sentiment d’impunité

Quand le recours à la loi n’est pas une option et que l’agresseur est anonyme, ou connu, tenter de se faire justice à travers les médias sociaux sur Twitter, YouTube et Facebook est toujours envisageable, mais bien souvent très peu efficace. Facebook ne reconnaît pas la violence sexo-spécifique et ne censure pas les discours haineux envers les femmes.

Le Web est encore jeune. Les activités en ligne méritent d’être analysées, interrogées et observées au prisme du respect des droits humains. L’anonymat confère à l’internaute un sentiment d’impunité qui encourage l’outrance verbale, ce qui peut favoriser la propagation de discours haineux, notamment sexistes, qui peuvent s’avérer lourds de conséquences.

Dans nos sociétés, la liberté d’expression peut être limitée dans certaines circonstances. Contrôler le cyberespace est nécessairement une question d’ordre international. Nous devons tous nous interroger sérieusement sur les mesures à prendre afin d’enrayer la diffusion de la haine en ligne. Le genre n’est évidemment pas le seul facteur de discrimination. Il faut également porter une attention particulière à d’autres cibles de la haine comme l’orientation sexuelle, l’origine, la religion, etc. Un important travail d’éducation sur l’utilisation des outils numériques doit être accompli tout comme une sensibilisation aux enjeux d’égalité des sexes dès l’enfance.

Le Web permet à une nouvelle forme de violence contre les femmes de se répandre. Il est urgent d’agir.
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Interesting how since the press conference media sources and/or critics now have changed their tune from "he condones legalization of rape" to "thought experiment of legalization of rape in private places"'

But playing the nitpicking game,Le Monde didnt add the "thought experiment" part so an apology demand might be in order!

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I can translate you the german article. "the controversial pro-rape-advocate".
You don't need to know more about the Newspaper. They were also actively covering up the New Year's incidents.
The only thing this piece of news trash is worth, is the comment section. It changed from 70% pro-refugees to 30% pro-refugees and allows critical comments.

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From the Independent newspaper in the United Kingdom.
This is old news...but was published 2 days ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...54611.html

Quote:Feminists leave scathing reviews on 'pro-rape book' to push it down Amazon rankings
The controversial book describes itself as a 'textbook for picking up girls and getting laid'


Siobhan Fenton
Saturday 26 March 2016


Feminists have been leaving one star reviews on a book which they claim promotes rape, in a bid to bump it down Amazon’s rankings.

‘Bang: The Most Infamous Pickup Book In The World’ by controversial pick up artist Roosh V is a self-described “textbook for picking up girls and getting laid” aimed at heterosexual men. Critics say it condones rape and promotes gender based violence.

In one passage, the author appears to confess committing an act against a woman which would meet the UK legal definition of rape. Roosh writes: “While walking back to my place, I realised how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t matter that I was sober, but I can’t say that I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalise my actions, but having sex is what I do.”

Reviewers are taking to the book’s Amazon page to leave scathing reviews of the book and push it down the book outlet’s rankings. One reviewer leaves a one star review with the message: “The way in which Roosh portrays women is unpleasant to read… I find this book offensive, meaningless and demeaning to women.”

Another writes: “This needs to be removed from Amazon. He is profiting from crimes and disgusting to make a how-to guide for violent assaults. Shame.”

A further one star review states: “Honestly, this guy is a disgusting human being. Him, as well as the people giving 5 stars to this piece of junk, should get mental help. If you can’t see the problem, you’re the problem. If his whole account is not taken down soon, Amazon will be helping out an [sic] homophobic, misogynist, disgusting rapist, and therefore, criminal. He’s a danger, and we can’t have his opinion out in the wild for men to get ideas.”

However, a number of other users have responded by leaving 5-star reviews in a bid to support the author. One 5-star reviewer writes: “I got this book as I am genuinely trying to find an amazing, loving, wonderful lady whom I want to get married to, have adventures, kids, grow old and reminisce etc. If the chapter on ‘sex’ had in any way, shape or form condoned forcing yourself upon a lady, I would have torn this book up. This book does not condone nor encourage rape. If anything it tells you, if you really are that silly, the signs to observe so that you don’t end up raping.”

Roosh V has consistently denied that he is admitting to or advocating rape, previously arguing that he is merely campaigning for: “the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished.”
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While its nice Amazon hasn't pulled my books, they let SJWs go wild there with reviews. I'm already planning to phase them out from my business in the next year or two.

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(03-28-2016 08:41 AM)Roosh Wrote:  While its nice Amazon hasn't pulled my books, they let SJWs go wild there with reviews. I'm already planning to phase them out from my business in the next year or two.

That sucks. But at least you have a plan to get out from underneath them. Could you possibly host your own store and such?

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From the Guardian newspaper in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...sphere-men
Quote: Swallowing the Red Pill: a journey to the heart of modern misogyny

Stephen Marche

Thursday 14 April 2016

The online community hosted on Reddit is where men go to air their toxic views about women. Stephen Marche aims to find out if The Red Pill is perpetuating a culture of hatred – or if it’s just a place to vent

How shitty are men really? The question hung in the air, invisible but omnipresent, like the smell of a garbage fire from a nearby town. By 2016, a series of catchphrases had come to dominate the chaotic state of gender politics – “male privilege”, “rape culture”, “men’s rights” – but confusion reigned. And in the middle of this confusion, a group of anonymous men retreated to The Red Pill, an online community hosted on Reddit, to revel in their loathing.

The name derives from a scene in the 1999 film The Matrix, in which Laurence Fishburne offers Keanu Reeves a choice: “You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.”

The rabbit hole, in this case, is the “reality” that women run the world without taking responsibility for it, and that their male victims are not permitted to complain. This makes The Red Pill a continuous, multi-voiced, up-to-the-minute male complaint nestled at the heart of the so-called manosphere – a network of websites preoccupied with both the men’s rights movement and how to pick up women.

The manosphere’s most hateful opinions tend to generate the most attention – like Roosh V’s notion that it should be legal to rape a woman on private property (a bit of hateful stupidity which he later claimed to be parody). In February, Roosh V attempted to organise a meet-up of like-minded men on the grounds of the provincial legislature in Toronto, but he had to cancel the event when a local band of female boxers threatened to disrupt the event with violence.

But judging The Red Pill by the most extreme statements of its members is, if not unfair, then at least inaccurate. There is plenty of vileness, to be sure – elaborate conspiracy theories formed out of pure misogyny and outright hatred of female independence. But the bulk of the comments are much more muted and, frankly, pathetic.

In the hours upon hours I spent wandering this online neighbourhood, I saw mostly feral boys wandering the digital ruins of exploded masculinity, howling their misery, concocting vast nonsense about women, and craving the tiniest crumb of self-confidence and fellow-feeling. The discussion threads are a mixed bag of rage and curiosity: screeds against feminists, advice on how to masturbate less, theories on why women fantasize about rape, descriptions of arguments with girlfriends, guides to going up to strangers on the street, and, most of all, workout schedules and diet regimes.

Reading The Red Pill, then, offers two possible answers to the question “how shitty are men really?”

The first situates The Red Pill as another toxic technoculture on a spectrum of digital misogyny: on Twitter, any woman who says anything even moderately controversial will receive torrents of direct physical threats as a matter of course. Sites such as 4chan exist mainly to post thousands of revenge porn images without consent. Gamers on Xbox Live will be sexually harassed, inevitably.

The answer to the question of how shitty men are, from this perspective, is “really pretty shitty”.

But an entirely different approach emerges with a slight shift in emphasis: how shitty are men really? That is, how does these men’s behaviour online translate into non-digital life ? The Red Pill poses one of the absolute conundrums of our time: are we our real selves on the internet, or are we not?

•••

The head moderator of The Red Pill goes by the handle Morpheus Manfred, and when he agreed to give me an interview it was only by online chat. Anonymity is sacred; facelessness is the sacrifice it demands. He moderates the community’s 141,966 (and counting) members, and like most of them, describes himself as white, early 30s, male and conservative (he would have preferred Rand Paul to Donald Trump, but he likes Trump’s “watch-it-burn” style).

I ask him what event led him to The Red Pill (his answers have been edited for length).

Morpheus Manfred: Having spent my 20s looking for female companionship, I noticed that the dating game wasn’t what I was taught – what my parents prepared me for, and what I learned from movies. It was stacked against guys, and it was a very unpleasant experience.

Me: Can you give me an example?

Morpheus Manfred: Over the past 10 years, the flakiness of women has gotten worse. You’d meet a girl, hit it off, get her number and agree to a date. And either she’d no-show, or cancel right before. I found myself putting in all this effort for nothing, it was very defeating. It’s not the way courting worked when my parents met.

What I saw in movies – where having a good heart and being yourself is all you need – that’s not what happens now. Good and nice aren’t attractive any more. The manosphere fundamentally became a surrogate father for the life lessons I never got.

We wanted a place where men could discuss masculine topics without facing the same public shaming outcry that happens on social media sites – feminists are quick on the trigger to try to take down anything they consider wrong … Milo Yiannopoulos lost his verified status on Twitter because of his views on masculinity. It’s a big topic that has become taboo in our culture.

Me: But surely there’s a line somewhere. I mean, the real feelings being expressed here are hostility to women.

Morpheus Manfred: We’re accused of misogyny almost daily. I won’t deny that the language is colorful and there’s a lot of emotion expressed by the men on the forum. But [before The Red Pill] there wasn’t really a way for guys to express these feelings.

Let’s say there’s a guy who just says “I hate women” – I think that’s textbook misogyny. We let them say that. Because there’s nowhere else for a man to blow off steam. But they stay, they learn, they vent, they get advice, they get back on the horse. The endgame of our advice isn’t to hate women. It’s to understand them so you can stop being so darn frustrated by them.

Morpheus claims that The Red Pill helped him find a longtime girlfriend, and that The Red Pill is ultimately little more than an online version of locker-room talk.

It’s funny, because Jessica, my editor at the Guardian, had the same idea. Wasn’t The Red Pill just an updated version of locker-room talk? No, I said, it’s nothing like locker-room talk. Well, she asked, what’s locker-room talk like, then?

Locker-room talk goes like this: you say to your friend, my God, did you see the tits on that yoga instructor, and your friend says, it hurts you, doesn’t it, and you say it does, it does, and he says you know I’ve sucked tits like that before, and you say yeah right and he says really and you say who and he says in Brazil and you say of course it would be an unverifiable claim, and he shrugs and you laugh and he laughs.

The quantity of locker-room talk is inversely proportional to familiarity with women. So, as you fall in love, maybe even get married, it no longer becomes feasible to talk with friends about women’s bodies in such specific detail because, say, your friend works for your wife, and you don’t want him thinking about her cleavage when she’s firing him.

But very quickly – mid-30s, really – a new locker-room talk emerges. The new locker-room talk goes like this: you ask your friend what summer programming do you have your daughters in, and your friend says I’m trying to find something with science in it, and you say, yeah, you gotta fight those cultural assumptions about girls and STEM, and he says totally, and you say I’m just trying to do little things like nature walks and trips to the science center, and he says we should go together some time, and you say totally.

And then you’re taking your daughters to the science center and a gorgeous woman walks by, and you look at your friend, and your friend looks at you, and you don’t have to say a thing.

I’m not saying this is the way it should be. Frankly, it’s humiliating for everybody involved. But there is a truth there: if you have a working dick and a working soul, you’d better get used to living with contradictions.

It is exactly this capacity for contradiction that the boys of The Red Pill lack so utterly. Their humourlessness is impressive, given that they mostly post comments about the minutiae of sexual dynamics, which is the substance of almost all comedy.



Under “I fucked up. How to fix?” Red Pill member AspireToBeGreater requested some advice from the group. He had met a girl. She was all smiley during their initial conversation. But then “I horribly botched an attempt to ask her out for drinks because I got nervous. I pulled back and tried to rebuild my frame over a couple weeks.” She was still giving off signs of interest, notably showing him pictures of her dogs. “I have since asked her to get coffee in a much more casual way, she had a legit excuse and I couldn’t read much from her response.” Should he keep pushing?

The replies came to a rapid consensus. A commenter noted: “She’s turned you down twice, which means she’s almost certainly not interested.” Another added: “Most likely she’s just not that into you if she doesn’t even suggest an alternative date.”

The above is a fairly typical post. The Red Pill grinds away at the confusions of contemporary masculinity, both real and imagined. The intellectual foundation of The Red Pill is its glossary – a shared language of complaint and insight. So we have, for example:

Alpha – Socially dominant. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are sexually attractive to women.

SMV – Sexual Market Value. A shorthand statement for “what you bring to the table”, whether for a one-night stand or for a longer relationship.

HB – Hot Babe (often followed by a ranking on a 1-10 scale).

AF/BB - Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks. AF/BB, as an idea, is closely related to AWALT (“All Women Are Like That”). All women, in this argument, divide men into two types: alpha males they want to fuck, and beta males they use for financial and emotional support in exchange for sex.

Definitions like these run into the dozens. Their primary purpose is clarity, obviously. More than lust or hatred, the boys of The Red Pill hunger for clarity. They desire escape from confusion. They desire a system with which to comprehend desire itself.

Don’t we all?

•••

In real life, I knew a man once who was the exact opposite of The Red Pill in every regard, and he shattered everything that I believed I knew about men.

Never did he say the least inappropriate thing, at least around me. No locker room talk for him. He had graduated from York University, the most politically correct university in Canada, with a minor in women’s studies. He proudly called himself a feminist, and he was called a feminist proudly by others. In his job as the most prominent radio host at the CBC, the national broadcaster, he had become an icon of the new multicultural and egalitarian Toronto.

That man was Jian Ghomeshi, who was on 25 March acquitted in three cases of sexual assault and choking after the testimony of the complainants collapsed.

Before Ghomeshi, I thought I knew more or less how men worked. I thought – it’s embarrassing to say – I thought I was a close observer of people.

I liked Jian; I cannot deny it. We weren’t close – we met during the time in life when you don’t form new friendships so much as respectful allegiances – but he was fun, pleasant.

And yet I remember a lovely spring wedding in Toronto where the guests, mostly media people, sat around bitching and gossiping as media people do. I made some flip remark about Jian dying his hair. Then I saw The Face pass over one of the young women at my table.

I would see The Face several times with several different women when the subject of Jian came up – a half-suppressed deflation, a furtive darkening. The other women told me nothing; The Face simply came and went. But at this wedding, the young woman with The Face did not let her suffering fade into the general background; she leaned in and told me the story of how he had said to her “I just want to hate-fuck you to wake you up” while at work.

I certainly remained friendly with Jian after I heard this story. Why? I have no good answer. The best answer I have is that I have been trained not to judge people on the basis of their sexual tastes. That’s my inclination but it’s also been my education. I refrained from judging him, half-consciously.

Throughout Ghomeshi’s trial, as his lawyer Marie Heinen ripped apart the accusers, I found myself recalling a line from Philip Roth’s The Human Stain, set during the halcyon years when America’s biggest problem was the president’s joint taste for cigars and interns.

“I myself dreamed of a mammoth banner,” Roth wrote, “draped dadaistically like a Christo wrapping from one end of the White House to the other and bearing the legend A HUMAN BEING LIVES HERE.”

That phrase should have been draped over the Toronto courtroom. The accusers responded like human beings, so they forgot to tell things to the police. They forgot their Hotmail passwords. They communicated with each other and with Jian. One of them wrote: “You have beautiful hands.” They responded in a way consistent with the inconsistency of human sexuality, caught in the mess of desire and its justification.

Much has been written about how the Ghomeshi trial has revealed various aspects of our culture and society – the failures of the criminal justice system, or the reality of rape culture, or the impotence of fourth-wave feminism. The Ghomeshi trial has revealed nothing. It has only obscured.

•••

“Rape culture” is a nebulous term, but it remains that men who want to treat women as if they are nothing have ample scope to express that desire – online and offline both. Culture, insofar as it is popular, poses the same question over and over: how cool does a guy have to be before he can treat women like they’re nothing?

When Kesha tried to escape her contract with Doctor Luke, the producer whom she claims raped her, the judge gave the ruling which applies to the music industry as a whole in 2016: “My instinct is to do the commercially reasonable thing.”

Kanye West was able proclaim Bill Cosby’s innocence and release The Life of Pablo with the line “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / I made that bitch famous.” And it didn’t matter; Kanye was way too cool. It was performance. Or it was subversion. It was something, anyway, that made it totally different than some ordinary guy saying that Taylor Swift was a bitch he made famous and so could have sex with her. A critic for the New Yorker described the Swift line as “a throwaway boast on an otherwise good song”.

The Weeknd is cool enough to treat women like nothing, too, at least for now. Sure, he has videos in which he shoots his girlfriend, and yes, his song Initiation is a hymn to using the promise of social acceptance to gangbang vulnerable young women. But the man is friends with Drake. He won two Grammys, and the same people in Toronto who loathed Ghomeshi cheered on the victory.

Not that this was in any way a new arrangement, the deal by which cool men treat women like they’re nothing. The Rolling Stones? Led Zeppelin and the mudshark?

David Bowie faced rape allegations in the 1980s, but we’ve all forgotten about that. One of his fans, Lori Maddox, has claimed in interviews that she lost her virginity to him after he gave her champagne and hash when she was about to turn 15. But before we ask ourselves what ought to happen to a grown man in a position of power who gave an underage girl drugs and alcohol and then took her virginity, we should just remember that he dressed really neat and wore makeup and stuff. Bowie was Ghomeshi’s idol, the man he most wanted to interview.

A few years before Morpheus Manfred started up The Red Pill, Ghomeshi blurbed the Guy’s Guide to Feminism. He wrote:

“An admirably accessible guide for guys to understand and embrace the other (often more incendiary) F-word. And it’s even funny. Quite remarkable. Everyone knows feminists have no sense of humour!”

Jian appeared on the back of the book alongside Gloria Steinem and the editor of the online feminist site Feministing.

Where are Morpheus and Ghomeshi now? Morpheus is in a long-term relationship, and developing a sense of humour about himself and his project. Ghomeshi is currently awaiting his second trial. Who is really shitty here?

Again to return to the our conundrum: are we our real selves online or off? Is the screen the place where we indulge the fantasies that our offline selves would never dare? Or is the screen where we perform the truth of our being that that world of faces and consequences does not permit?

Among men today, there is violence hidden under the virtue, and virtue hidden under the violence.

The only constant is the hiding.

•••

In The Red Pill’s glossary, you can find those two entries:

Oneitis – When a guy has fallen in love with a woman in the same way a boy loves his mother. He obsesses about her, but she does not reciprocate.

The Unicorn – Mystical creature that doesn’t fucking exist, aka The Girl of Your Dreams.

If you dig through the misogyny and the bravado, the boys of The Red Pill want The One. They are as lost in that pursuit as every generation of men has been before them.

The Red Pill is hatred of women in the context of men who want nothing more than to please women, and who are living in a world with a sexual marketplace they find deeply anxiety-provoking. Briffaut’s Law, another of the key concepts of The Red Pill, encapsulates male powerlessness as an eternal truth: “The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.”

But Redpillers are responding to a much more novel and contemporary reality that such biological imperatives: they are responding to women having financial and sexual power over their own lives and bodies. And they haven’t dealt with it yet. The term “manosphere” is really a misnomer. “Not-quite-a-manosphere” would be better.

What the boys of The Red Pill need, in all honesty, is a massive dose of Romantic poetry. They need a dedicated course of treatment in the novels of Jane Austen and Dostoevsky, combined with significant therapy in negative capability.

They need to learn that love is awful, in the both the ancient and modern senses of the world – that love is infinitely more powerful and real than any marketplace, sexual or otherwise.

They need to read Freud, who wrote that every man wants to murder his father and sleep with his mother and that the only way to be civilized is to recognize that everyone is barbaric way down deep inside.

They need to know that desire is a mess, and that everyone suffers from its mess.

Instead of culture, the world offers the boys of The Red Pill contempt. Instead of education, outrage.

But it’s not just the boys of The Red Pill who need to begin again to learn from the fiasco that is men and women. It’s everybody. It’s the whole world.
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Wow. That article was incredible in every way. Right at the beginning it shows it's lack of objectivity, 'is the manosphere a place for misogyny or just to vent?'. Than it uses every possible opportunity to try and shame 'boys' of the Redpill 'not quite a manosphere' (good one).
Than it finishes with a complete non conclusion that basically comes down to 'love is complicated, read some romance novels instead and stop being threatened by women'

Oh and the person lecturing everyone on love and masculinity, he writes shit like this for the Guardian so he could only be a cucked faggot..

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It looks like his wikipedia page has already been updated..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Marche

"Marche has a son, and lives happily with his wife, Helen, and her partner, Tyrone, in Toronto.[5]"

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^ If the above is true, he LITERALLY is a cuck.
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This is a headline you'd expect out of the Onion:

‘Pick-Up Artist’ Roosh V Deprived Of Suitable Wife By Worldwide Conspiracy To Educate Women
http://wonkette.com/601312/roosh-v-wife-...yl66fGe.99

I lol'ed.

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(05-03-2016 07:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a headline you'd expect out of the Onion:

‘Pick-Up Artist’ Roosh V Deprived Of Suitable Wife By Worldwide Conspiracy To Educate Women
http://wonkette.com/601312/roosh-v-wife-...yl66fGe.99

I lol'ed.

Laugh Laugh Laugh

That girl has the most stupid tattoo I've ever seen. What the hell 'Git Er Done' means?
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(05-03-2016 07:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a headline you'd expect out of the Onion:

‘Pick-Up Artist’ Roosh V Deprived Of Suitable Wife By Worldwide Conspiracy To Educate Women
http://wonkette.com/601312/roosh-v-wife-...yl66fGe.99

I lol'ed.

I looked at her photo and description of herself:

"Robyn Pennacchia is an American feminist, journalist, writer, and cultural critic."

My reaction and comments:
1: WNB
2: Cultural critic? What does she know about culture?
3: Looks like she already hit the wall but I think she is only mid 20s.
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WNB

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From the comments:

Quote:It's easy to laugh at this basement dweller (he really does live in his mother's basement; there's an article with photos at the Daily Mail), but he has an organization called Return of Kings, which advocates for laws that legalize rape on private property. He was trying to organize rape gangs a few months ago, but the postings for the places, dates and times were linked online, then law enforcement was notified, and the general outing of the groups resulted in cancellation.

Emphasis mine.

Jesus fuck, what a scary reminder that, as someone who has always treated women kindly (probably too much for my own good), and joined this community just to help increase my options with women and maybe vent some frustration every now and then, I would be branded a rapist if people knew my actual identity.

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I really hate that my career and income would be threatened if I attend a meetup. I genuinely would love to hang out with you guys from this forum. I really like all the guys like me that work out, get laid, focus on self improvement and try to keep striving. It is a shame these click bait journalists and MSM hacks all hate on men just being men. If I can get into a place in my career where I don't have to use a fake name and all my money is dependent only on me, I will definitely attend a meetup.
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(05-03-2016 07:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a headline you'd expect out of the Onion:

‘Pick-Up Artist’ Roosh V Deprived Of Suitable Wife By Worldwide Conspiracy To Educate Women
http://wonkette.com/601312/roosh-v-wife-...yl66fGe.99

I lol'ed.

It looks like she's not terribly original, either. At the bottom of the post she links to the source of her article, good old paedophile apologist David Futrelle and We Hunted The Mammoth.

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WNB my quickie research gives off strong SIF vibes too...

And she's begging for money to outfit her RV, nice:
https://www.gofundme.com/wonkebago

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(05-03-2016 08:07 PM)DrCotard Wrote:  That girl has the most stupid tattoo I've ever seen. What the hell 'Git Er Done' means?




“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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Roosh was referred to in passing by Milo Yiannopoulos in conversation with Jack Donovan in Milo's podcast on Friday last.
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Roosh features (finally) in The Economist
http://www.economist.com/news/united-sta...-balls-all

'One keyboard Don Juan, Roosh V, has won fame (and ire) for publishing books like “Day Bang: How to Casually Pick up Girls During the Day” and “Bang Poland: How To Make Love With Polish Girls in Poland”.'

Hopefully get home a spike in sales!
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Shit that's big time.

I think the Trump phenomenon is pushing this stuff into the mainstream, ironically by SJW journalists who want to make Trump look bad.

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keyboard don juan? Sounds like a new forum title after chubby chaser.
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The subhead headline presents a perfect example of media bias. It reads "The rebalancing of the sexes has spawned 21st-century misogyny."

But that word never appears in the story itself, which is reasonably even-handed. Since headline writing is a separate job from article writing at almost all media outlets, this makes me think someone in a position of power deliberately wrote that headline to cast a negative light on subject.

The article, by the way, contains no byline -- which is also pretty odd.
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