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(03-05-2016 07:05 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Fine Jariel.

If you're one of the realest motherfuckers here then why do you have 176 rep points and not one person has written, "I met this guy."

I'm moving on, I'm not going to continue this bullshit argument with you because you're not worth the ban.

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(03-05-2016 07:05 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Fine Jariel.

If you're one of the realest motherfuckers here then why do you have 176 rep points and not one person has written, "I met this guy."

You must be too busy pimping at LIV in the Fontainebleau with Lebron.

Look dude, I'm not looking for validation from you or anybody else because I didn't come here to make real-life friends.

I don't care if you think I'm real or not, my information speaks for itself.

You can't drop the knowledge that I drop or share the information that I've shared from just google and bullshit.

I know who I am and what I'm about and that's reflected in the shit that I talk about.

I always do me.

I don't ask anyone to fuck with me, they make a choice to do so.

I have always spoken my mind and been honest with my thoughts regardless if they were in the extreme minority.

How you choose to assess the realness of that is your business.

If there's one thing that I'm certain most people here will at least say about me, it is "that guy doesn't give a fuck about what anybody thinks".

There are several guys here who I give shoutouts to regularly because I respect their opinions; I can tell they're real because they talk about shit that one has to actually peep to be able to talk about it.

I don't need them to meet up to run game at Cafeina for me to respect who they are.

If you're so real and your lithmus test is based on how many guys you've met off the board, then stop telling dudes to run fake game.

Plenty of guys met McQueen, what did that mean?
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Fucking lame attack on Linux. Guy has met a ton of people and I think everyone has had only good stuff to say.

He posted some pics and some cunt sold him out - It got a few dozen guys on here to get on a plane and start exploring.
Guy learned his lesson but at the same time helped a lot of people take some action.

He takes testosterone - He got half blown up in Iraq and spent a half year learning to move again. Context is everything.

Peoples perspective change in life. Guys been through a shit divorce and has been slowly switching up his whole life.

There is a guy on (was on) here from the oil sands who is one of the coolest guys I know. He starts posting and nearly gets banned and gets in a lot of arguments.
In real life he is super chill, super tight game and such a reliable guy.

Point is not everyone represents themselves perfectly online. With Linux I don't care if he posts change tone over a year, in real life he has been consistent as a mother fucker and a lot of fun to hang out with.
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(03-05-2016 07:59 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Fucking lame attack on Linux. Guy has met a ton of people and I think everyone has had only good stuff to say.

He posted some pics and some cunt sold him out - It got a few dozen guys on here to get on a plane and start exploring.

Guy learned his lesson but at the same time helped a lot of people take some action.

Dude, you and I talked before, way back.

I was only addressing the inconsistencies in his messages.

I never said he doesn't contribute to the board.

I clearly have acknowledged that.

What's lame is trying to establish this fake lithmus test that guys are real based on how many dudes they've met off this board.

If you guys meet up in some foreign country and chase tail, that's your personal choice.

Some of us go places, do our own thing, and then report back, that is our personal choice.

This is still an anonymous message board.

I highly doubt it says Atlantic on your driver's license.

Roosh is advising us to change screen names, use dummy e-mail addresses, etc. here. We're not all going to make a choice to be public figures.

I choose to protect myself given my line of work, which is a very visible profession.

I'm just being intelligent.

If that means a bunch of guys who I don't know in real life think I'm fake, then so be it.

That doesn't change the fact that I've contributed a lot of real information to this board, and I've also benefited from being able to learn from it as well.

I will continue to share for those who are interested, but trying to call me out because I don't meet up with guys from here at bars is the wackest shit I've ever heard.
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Regarding the original post, I have noticed more guys here in the UK mentioning they take viagra after a lot of drinks. I've tried it myself a few times and I could get it up after being blind drunk and I'm getting old. Usually there's no chance of performing well after that many drinks.

Viagra has a patent expiry of 2019 in the US but the patent expired here in the UK in 2013. This has made it possible to order it online from legit pharmacies for around £1 to £2 a pill. No visit to the doctor is needed just checking a few boxes on an online questionnaire.

I've had 3 of my friends confess they take it when going out drinking so they can perform. I can see more and more guys doing this in the future as the reality is in your 30's and older it is tough to maintain a strong erection when really drunk.

The problem is it's creating unrealistic expectations from girls, they don't know the guy has popped a viagra. And I really hope in the future girls do not expect a raging hard on when guys are drunk, but I see that is the path we are heading on. Many guys in the UK can't speak to girls without being drunk but getting that drunk can cause erection problems. Viagra is providing the solution and with so many guys out there wanting to be the champ in bed I can see a day where taking viagra when going out will be the norm.

British booze culture is the perfect breeding ground for this trend.
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I don't have anything against you Jariel. I do think your post was uncalled for though.
A lot of the things you listed would be easily explained if you meet him in real life.

I am jumping in a taxi here so no time for a full post.
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OP needs to use the search feature and stop with all of these clickbait threads.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-28966...stosterone

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21621...ght=viagra
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Not that Linux needs any additional endorsements, but like many other forum members, I have met him in person and can confirm that this guy is for real.

Also, the quote from his post about lying is taken out of contest. I believe the main point that he made there was about being emotionally honest. Nobody tells the truth 100% of the time, but if you mean well and try to be good to other people, that's what matters. That post gave me a lot of food for thought. I still haven't decided what the right thing to do is when it comes to lying vs telling the whole truth, but the points that Linux made helped me understand the issue a lot better.
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(03-05-2016 06:17 PM)jariel Wrote:  All you proved is that you can manipulate barrio pussy for your own gain.

I met Linux, and he was absolutely not with a Colombian "barrio pussy", he was actually with a pretty, educated and polite blonde North American woman. Just saying. (As to the philosophical debate you Jariel and Linux have, I won't intervene in it...)

(Also, by the way, some barrio girls in Colombia are quite fine and worth gaming)
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(03-05-2016 08:24 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Not that Linux needs any additional endorsements, but like many other forum members, I have met him in person and can confirm that this guy is for real.

Also, the quote from his post about lying is taken out of contest. I believe the main point that he made there was about being emotionally honest. Nobody tells the truth 100% of the time, but if you mean well and try to be good to other people, that's what matters.

I can appreciate that you guys have met him in person, but again, I was addressing the drastic change in philosophy.

Having x-rays hanging up in your room, showing a chick a house that it isn't yours, that's a lot more in-depth than just little white lies. It was also clear that at the time his objective to was to get as much ass he possibly could, so it's hard to say that's your goal, but you're also being emotionally honest with women.

Lots of guys here like talk about frame, and all of these other things, but then give a pass to needing to "lie about everything" to poor girls in third world countries.

Again, the words are what they are, and they are very clear.

That doesn't make Linux a bad guy to me, and I never said it did, but going from that to "be who you are", again that is a drastic change in philosophy.

I'm not in a position to speak on him personally, and that's an error on my part if it's being read that way, at the end of the day, we can only know what people tell us on here, which is really what I was addressing.

It did unfortunately escalate from there.

I've made my point and I see where the dude stands now, so there's no further need to belabor the issue.
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(03-05-2016 06:17 PM)jariel Wrote:  Dude, I proved I was legit here a long time ago.

I was dropping jewels on the travel board before you even joined the site.

Guys have publicly thanked me for information I gave them about places I had been and for places I guided them to when they came to my city.

Furthermore, my messages have been consistent since Day 1.

Name a topic of discussion that I haven't contributed to.

My "talk sessions" get nothing but props, you sound like the hater.

When you contribute half of what I've contributed to this board, then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

All you proved is that you can manipulate barrio pussy for your own gain.

You didn't do anything that a lot of other dudes can't say they've also done.

You posted pictures of the chicks and it blew up in your face.

I don't need to put up a picture of some girl's ass.

Real players NEVER do that shit.

After I called you a dirty mack and put your level of game on blast, you tried to flip the script.

Now it's just "be you", now you "care" about the chicks, now you give chicks flowers and write poetry.

I'm one of the realest motherfuckers here.

I tried to be respectful towards you even I was just pointing out something that you put out publicly yourself, and you want to challenge me?

Again, I'm one of the realest motherfuckers here.

I don't need manufactured testosterone.

You do.

I don't need manufactured hard-ons.

You do.

I live in one of the dopest parts of my city, several guys here know where I live; I don't need to drive elsewhere and take pictures of someone else's house and show it to bitches so I can get bareback sex.

You do.

I don't need to run game one way, and then tell other guys to do it a different way.

You do.

I'm one of the realest motherfuckers here.

That's why my shit is "Real Talk" not "Fake ass bullshit that I'm pulling out of my ass to make myself look good".

Take that weak ass challenge of yours and save it for some newb who doesn't know any better and hasn't done any better.

My track record is too long.

The jewels that I've dropped are too plentiful.

Game over dude, you're out of quarters.


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I feel like Jariel is trying to hard to fire back with these long rebuttal post.
If you have a true point..you shouldn't need that many words to get it across.

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I;ll fight any of yu cocksuckers right here right now!

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(03-06-2016 04:44 AM)scotian Wrote:  I;ll fight any of yu cocksuckers right here right now!

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(03-06-2016 04:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 04:44 AM)scotian Wrote:  I;ll fight any of yu cocksuckers right here right now!

What's your beverage, bro Smile. Mine is a Scotch and Irish Cream.

I'm flying to your city soon if you still there so you have a chesterfield for me?

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With all the posters coming out against Jariel, I have to say I think he is right to point out the inconsistencies. Sourcecode for example do you actually think he doesn't have a point? Going from having x rays hanging up and showing a house that isn't yours to his post in this thread is a pretty radical turnaround in a year. Nothing wrong with changing one's perspective, but to speak like an authority on authenticity when a year ago you were role playing just doesn't seem right. Also I'm sure many of the posters he mentions such as Fisto, have at some stage looked at game through a theoretical PUA perspective to arrive at the position they're at. Nothing wrong with that.

I also agree that it's not necessary to meet a poster to know that their info is good - take WIA for example - things often fall into place for me when reading his posts because they fit the experiences I've had in nightlife. No need for anybody to vouch for him.
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(03-05-2016 08:15 PM)RonnieB Wrote:  Regarding the original post, I have noticed more guys here in the UK mentioning they take viagra after a lot of drinks. I've tried it myself a few times and I could get it up after being blind drunk and I'm getting old. Usually there's no chance of performing well after that many drinks.

Viagra has a patent expiry of 2019 in the US but the patent expired here in the UK in 2013. This has made it possible to order it online from legit pharmacies for around £1 to £2 a pill. No visit to the doctor is needed just checking a few boxes on an online questionnaire.

I've had 3 of my friends confess they take it when going out drinking so they can perform. I can see more and more guys doing this in the future as the reality is in your 30's and older it is tough to maintain a strong erection when really drunk.

The problem is it's creating unrealistic expectations from girls, they don't know the guy has popped a viagra. And I really hope in the future girls do not expect a raging hard on when guys are drunk, but I see that is the path we are heading on. Many guys in the UK can't speak to girls without being drunk but getting that drunk can cause erection problems. Viagra is providing the solution and with so many guys out there wanting to be the champ in bed I can see a day where taking viagra when going out will be the norm.

British booze culture is the perfect breeding ground for this trend.

I take viagra. I'm 40. I like to bang. if you are getting older and don't need it, don't use it. But for pete's sake, might as well use it if you need it instead of not banging and have a hot girl on your bed who wants to bang and you physically can't.

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Depends on your goals.

If your aim is to actually "compete" with other players in some sort of pickup Olympics or something then sure, being gassed up on drugs and roids will certainly give someone an edge on being more energetic, muscular, talkative, whatever. This, of course, assuming all other things are equal.

If you had two players with almost identical everything including personality and looks, then the one with a little extra "something" may do better at getting attention or picking up chicks, but that also depends on the environment and the targets. Not all girls like energetic coked up clowns. Not all girls are into body builder physique. Some girls like scrawny hipsters. Some girls like strong silent type. Etc.

Is that really your goal though? Are you already the best version of yourself to where you can only do better if your juiced on coke and test?

I just don't see pickup as that strict of a "competition" unless you are in some crazy ass venues with a serious ratio of drugged up roided up dudes who are swooping all the girls away.
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(03-06-2016 05:13 AM)scotian Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 04:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 04:44 AM)scotian Wrote:  I;ll fight any of yu cocksuckers right here right now!

What's your beverage, bro Smile. Mine is a Scotch and Irish Cream.

I'm flying to your city soon if you still there so you have a chesterfield for me?

I don't know what that is but I got you, bro!

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(03-05-2016 07:36 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 07:05 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Fine Jariel.

If you're one of the realest motherfuckers here then why do you have 176 rep points and not one person has written, "I met this guy."

You must be too busy pimping at LIV in the Fontainebleau with Lebron.

Look dude, I'm not looking for validation from you or anybody else because I didn't come here to make real-life friends.

I don't care if you think I'm real or not, my information speaks for itself.

You can't drop the knowledge that I drop or share the information that I've shared from just google and bullshit.

I know who I am and what I'm about and that's reflected in the shit that I talk about.

I always do me.

I don't ask anyone to fuck with me, they make a choice to do so.

I have always spoken my mind and been honest with my thoughts regardless if they were in the extreme minority.

How you choose to assess the realness of that is your business.

If there's one thing that I'm certain most people here will at least say about me, it is "that guy doesn't give a fuck about what anybody thinks".

There are several guys here who I give shoutouts to regularly because I respect their opinions; I can tell they're real because they talk about shit that one has to actually peep to be able to talk about it.

I don't need them to meet up to run game at Cafeina for me to respect who they are.

If you're so real and your lithmus test is based on how many guys you've met off the board, then stop telling dudes to run fake game.

Plenty of guys met McQueen, what did that mean?


It's one thing to not give a fuck.

Jariel actually takes fucks - like robs guys off their fucks at gun point.

Respect!

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(03-06-2016 05:47 AM)eradicator Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 08:15 PM)RonnieB Wrote:  Regarding the original post, I have noticed more guys here in the UK mentioning they take viagra after a lot of drinks. I've tried it myself a few times and I could get it up after being blind drunk and I'm getting old. Usually there's no chance of performing well after that many drinks.

Viagra has a patent expiry of 2019 in the US but the patent expired here in the UK in 2013. This has made it possible to order it online from legit pharmacies for around £1 to £2 a pill. No visit to the doctor is needed just checking a few boxes on an online questionnaire.

I've had 3 of my friends confess they take it when going out drinking so they can perform. I can see more and more guys doing this in the future as the reality is in your 30's and older it is tough to maintain a strong erection when really drunk.

The problem is it's creating unrealistic expectations from girls, they don't know the guy has popped a viagra. And I really hope in the future girls do not expect a raging hard on when guys are drunk, but I see that is the path we are heading on. Many guys in the UK can't speak to girls without being drunk but getting that drunk can cause erection problems. Viagra is providing the solution and with so many guys out there wanting to be the champ in bed I can see a day where taking viagra when going out will be the norm.

British booze culture is the perfect breeding ground for this trend.

I take viagra. I'm 40. I like to bang. if you are getting older and don't need it, don't use it. But for pete's sake, might as well use it if you need it instead of not banging and have a hot girl on your bed who wants to bang and you physically can't.

Do you need it when sober though at 40? I'm weary of taking it to perform and it becoming a psychological dependance.
03-06-2016 02:45 PM
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RE: Game and Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs)--Can Clean Guys Compete?
First post in forever... this thread had great potential and did not go where I expected.

PEDs are great! If you know what you are doing.. there is no such thing as "fake muscle", "fake social skills", or "fake boner". One part of your biology (brain) is simply acting to augment another part.

A perspective that hasn't been raised enough: PEDs allow you to overcome your handicaps. They level the playing field. They allow those who really want it to get to the next level.

Why would you want to not use them if they are safe (TRT, Cialis, certain mood-altering drugs...) and allow you to transcend your biological limits?

You can say, "well, now I am *forced* to use them to compete". There are a million other items on the list of things one is "forced" to do in order to compete. You can never escape from this competition.

The only ethical problem is not giving full disclosure: "Oh yea, I get rock hard erections by taking this herbal remedy, buy it here" (*pops Viagra*).
03-06-2016 06:01 PM
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RE: Game and Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs)--Can Clean Guys Compete?
PEDs are great ways to enhance your life, but they must never be your life. Dependence on any substance is a weakness that builds up illusions and expectations. The reason they're so widely used is because these drugs give you freedom of self. However, this is temporary. Whatever strengths you build up in the short term will break down later down the road.

Drugs like phenibut, cocaine, GHB, mdma, and amphetamines push you to behave in a completely different way. They make you feel invincible. Unstoppable. The ability to live and act in the moment without any hesitation or doubt.

Remember that this is temporary. It goes away and you can easily become addicted.

If you choose to use PEDs, learn everything you can from these experiences and do them infrequently. Use them as an example to show yourself what you are capable of. Work everyday to incorporate that into your natural state. No drug will ever beat the mastery that hard work brings.

If it doesn't fit, force it... If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
03-06-2016 10:19 PM
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