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RE: Game and Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs)--Can Clean Guys Compete?
(03-05-2016 08:15 PM)RonnieB Wrote:  Regarding the original post, I have noticed more guys here in the UK mentioning they take viagra after a lot of drinks. I've tried it myself a few times and I could get it up after being blind drunk and I'm getting old. Usually there's no chance of performing well after that many drinks.

Viagra has a patent expiry of 2019 in the US but the patent expired here in the UK in 2013. This has made it possible to order it online from legit pharmacies for around £1 to £2 a pill. No visit to the doctor is needed just checking a few boxes on an online questionnaire.

I've had 3 of my friends confess they take it when going out drinking so they can perform. I can see more and more guys doing this in the future as the reality is in your 30's and older it is tough to maintain a strong erection when really drunk.

The problem is it's creating unrealistic expectations from girls, they don't know the guy has popped a viagra. And I really hope in the future girls do not expect a raging hard on when guys are drunk, but I see that is the path we are heading on. Many guys in the UK can't speak to girls without being drunk but getting that drunk can cause erection problems. Viagra is providing the solution and with so many guys out there wanting to be the champ in bed I can see a day where taking viagra when going out will be the norm.

British booze culture is the perfect breeding ground for this trend.

This is getting to be a big, big, problem here in Australia. Drinking, fast online sex, self esteem issues and blokes putting one through girls their dick would otherwise tell them not too.

I've had a few guys now say to me it's become a problem in their lives. Whether it's ditching a worthwhile gathering with worthwhile people to go plough a 4 they matched with on Tinder across town or having a regular on the go for a month or two and having the whole sexual component of the interaction based around it, and having serious concerns about fronting in the sack without it.

A bunch of guys I know roll with a few diamonds in their pockets at all times.

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03-07-2016 04:46 AM
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RE: Game and Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs)--Can Clean Guys Compete?
(03-06-2016 10:19 PM)Cronus Wrote:  PEDs are great ways to enhance your life, but they must never be your life. Dependence on any substance is a weakness that builds up illusions and expectations. The reason they're so widely used is because these drugs give you freedom of self. However, this is temporary. Whatever strengths you build up in the short term will break down later down the road.

Drugs like phenibut, cocaine, GHB, mdma, and amphetamines push you to behave in a completely different way. They make you feel invincible. Unstoppable. The ability to live and act in the moment without any hesitation or doubt.

Remember that this is temporary. It goes away and you can easily become addicted.

If you choose to use PEDs, learn everything you can from these experiences and do them infrequently. Use them as an example to show yourself what you are capable of. Work everyday to incorporate that into your natural state. No drug will ever beat the mastery that hard work brings.

Is GHB still a thing? When I was in college real GHB was available, then Verve (or other solvents that converted GBL to GHB in the body, purchased online), then Clinton had it reclassified as a schedule I drug and everything disappeared.

Has there been a resurgence of GHB? Are people buying it online or through the street?

GHB was one of the greatest PEDs I've ever seen. It was like 12 beers, a teener, and viagra all rolled up into an easy to drink mini-shot. With zero hangover.
03-07-2016 06:27 AM
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(03-06-2016 02:45 PM)RonnieB Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 05:47 AM)eradicator Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 08:15 PM)RonnieB Wrote:  Regarding the original post, I have noticed more guys here in the UK mentioning they take viagra after a lot of drinks. I've tried it myself a few times and I could get it up after being blind drunk and I'm getting old. Usually there's no chance of performing well after that many drinks.

Viagra has a patent expiry of 2019 in the US but the patent expired here in the UK in 2013. This has made it possible to order it online from legit pharmacies for around £1 to £2 a pill. No visit to the doctor is needed just checking a few boxes on an online questionnaire.

I've had 3 of my friends confess they take it when going out drinking so they can perform. I can see more and more guys doing this in the future as the reality is in your 30's and older it is tough to maintain a strong erection when really drunk.

The problem is it's creating unrealistic expectations from girls, they don't know the guy has popped a viagra. And I really hope in the future girls do not expect a raging hard on when guys are drunk, but I see that is the path we are heading on. Many guys in the UK can't speak to girls without being drunk but getting that drunk can cause erection problems. Viagra is providing the solution and with so many guys out there wanting to be the champ in bed I can see a day where taking viagra when going out will be the norm.

British booze culture is the perfect breeding ground for this trend.

I take viagra. I'm 40. I like to bang. if you are getting older and don't need it, don't use it. But for pete's sake, might as well use it if you need it instead of not banging and have a hot girl on your bed who wants to bang and you physically can't.

Do you need it when sober though at 40? I'm weary of taking it to perform and it becoming a psychological dependance.


Usually yes. Sometimes no. But I am not really worried about being dependent on it, so long as I have a steady supply.

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03-10-2016 02:17 AM
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(03-05-2016 08:08 PM)jariel Wrote:  I highly doubt it says Atlantic on your driver's license.

This got me thinking. My birth certificate actually does say "Atlantic," but it's followed by the word "County."
03-10-2016 06:50 PM
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Isn't alcohol the oldest PED there is for dudes who want to talk to girls? Tongue
03-10-2016 07:18 PM
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PEDs for physique are rampant in some circles:

Jacked guys in nightclubs who drink/party a lot and do recreational drugs while keeping ripped are on drugs
Hollywood actors getting in shape for the movies are heavy users of PEDs
Fitness models use cocktails of drugs (test base, orals, injectables, T3, clen, DNP). You would be shocked how much stuff your not-so-big ripped all around the year fitness model like Jeff Seid uses.

It's also a myth that once you touch a PED, you will magically transform into fitness model. Ask your local roid dealer about the physiques of the clients you will find out that some of users will be people that you would never suspect to be juicing based on their appearance.
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03-16-2016 05:51 AM
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I only visited this thread for the beef.

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I've done TRT for 3 months to get myself back to high-normal levels and here are a few things I noticed:

1) Your positivity goes through the roof! I got super drunk one night and lost a bunch of shit, but I woke up in the morning without skipping a beat and got everything ironed out that same day (while mega hungover). In fact, my boss was like "Fortis, i'm surprised by how well you're handling this. Most people would be stunned if they lost their phone, keys and everything."

You can just "tank through" situations. Remember, I was only taking enough test to get back to high-normal range (800-900), so I imagine that if you're on supra-normal dosages that you'd be even more "game" and unstoppable.

2) Your ability to fuck is insane. I could go 5 times in a night and the girl would pass out. Girls will keep coming back for more because you're probably the only dude in her roster who can fuck like that and keep going.

3) Your confidence becomes palpable.

Girls would come up to me at the bar and just want to interact with me more. Like sit down next to me, smile and pretty much beg me to open.

4) Your physique will fill out.

Guys would grab me by the arm and be like "dude what do you do for arms?" And my arms are far from being big or noticable

Girls would say, "You look like an athlete! Do you play on a team?" I was blown away but it because I am a small dude and I was only taking medicinal dosages.

My conclusion:

Test and roids will increase your game, but you shouldn't do test just for game purposes.

Do it because you wanna get bigger, wanna have a healthier life and all the other intended purposes.

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04-03-2016 11:31 PM
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(04-03-2016 11:31 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I've done TRT for 3 months to get myself back to high-normal levels and here are a few things I noticed:

1) Your positivity goes through the roof! I got super drunk one night and lost a bunch of shit, but I woke up in the morning without skipping a beat and got everything ironed out that same day (while mega hungover). In fact, my boss was like "Fortis, i'm surprised by how well you're handling this. Most people would be stunned if they lost their phone, keys and everything."

You can just "tank through" situations. Remember, I was only taking enough test to get back to high-normal range (800-900), so I imagine that if you're on supra-normal dosages that you'd be even more "game" and unstoppable.

2) Your ability to fuck is insane. I could go 5 times in a night and the girl would pass out. Girls will keep coming back for more because you're probably the only dude in her roster who can fuck like that and keep going.

3) Your confidence becomes palpable.

Girls would come up to me at the bar and just want to interact with me more. Like sit down next to me, smile and pretty much beg me to open.

4) Your physique will fill out.

Guys would grab me by the arm and be like "dude what do you do for arms?" And my arms are far from being big or noticable

Girls would say, "You look like an athlete! Do you play on a team?" I was blown away but it because I am a small dude and I was only taking medicinal dosages.

My conclusion:

Test and roids will increase your game, but you shouldn't do test just for game purposes.

Do it because you wanna get bigger, wanna have a healthier life and all the other intended purposes.

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I use butanidiol which turns into GHB into the stomach with caffeine. There's a bell curve for me when I take too much I start acting like a cringe worthy asshole and feel so much shame the next day. Complete social freedom I'm not even sure if I desire now.

Shows how they say absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm still overall a good person with complete social freedom but if I detect someone is rude at all I get very egoistic and want to destroy them and make them feel small on the combo but with a sober mind a lot of times I'm more mature, turn the other cheek and continue with my goals which I think is the wiser and more intelligent action.

The problem is I do the dose that's right for me and then things go well and I get cocky and go back to the higher doses. Scared I'm going get into trouble one day doing this because enemies accumulate. A lot of the times when people are rude to me it's actually because they heard and don't like my reputation (it's a double edged sword though because I also have great allies).

Overall I think I prefer anonymity though and I've been gaming in the same city for over a decade. I think after the summer is over I'm going to put game into maintenance mode and work on traveling because I heard that it's exponentially better to game outside of anglosphere.

The one thing the anglosphere has though is some girls respect blatant sexuality. Eg) swinger communitys, hookup culture, tinder. Whereas girls from more feminine cultures are more 'good girl' persona.

Perhaps I will change my thoughts on it but game is a really brutal sport. Especially if you're doing cold approach. The violence women inflict when you're vying for their sex / affection is a lot of emotional abuse. Would I go back to ignorance? No. But similar to an army veteran with PTSD a lot of them also say they wouldn't go back to ignorance. Humans are not nice creatures generally. The human race has been at war 90% of the time. Civilization is held by a thin thread.
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I mean, gear will make pulling infinitely easier. It's not really debatable. Pretty hard not to close when you're the one getting approached. That being said, won't do much for relationships. If you're a flat out retard with no social skills, the greatest physique in the world won't keep a quality girl around for long.

Re: Viagra. Dudes are watching too much porn and or very naive when it comes to sex. The reality is (And this is scientific); close to 80% of girls don't orgasm from penetration alone, and if they are, it isn't because of your dick. You might think a good thrashing is mind blowing sex, but it's just in your head. Sure girls enjoy it, but if you really want to be the best they've had, working the clit will do more than Lexington Steele's cock ever could.
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(08-08-2019 08:04 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  
I mean, gear will make pulling infinitely easier. It's not really debatable. Pretty hard not to close when you're the one getting approached

I don't think just being ripped will make girls approach or even make them find you hot, necessarily! (although I agree that some girls have a muscle fetish)
I think being facially handsome (and ideally tall) is infinitely more likely to have girls approach (live on easy mode) than you than just being super ripped and hench. It certainly seems that way in my circle.

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After reading the first couple of pages of this thread, I regret that I wasn't on here a few years earlier.

This place was a bad ass place for prolific pick up guys.
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Came for the info, stayed for the beef
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