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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I heard a rumour that Little Dark once went 30 years without female affection.

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03-15-2016 05:17 AM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Must be the secret source of his alphaness and martial prowess
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(03-10-2016 05:39 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  I don't suppose many here can relate to a situation like that, but I'm curious who else has experienced this. How did you get out of it?

I think most "game" advice that gets thrown around probably applies more to guys who are doing mediocre to OK and just want to get better.

Yep, I went a year and a half without so much as kissing a girl after one of my relationships ended. I was so depressed and broken that I never went on a single date in that time. The thing is, I was never really bad with girls. Just tired of the bullshit.

How did I fix it?

I went to Asia, and I realized there was something wrong with them, not me.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I felt like I could have written this. Read the post below. It's long. Be prepared for your gut to churn and your emotions to be overwhelming if you identify with it.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I've read that blog article before as it's been posted here a few times. I've gone longer than that guy.

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03-18-2016 07:35 AM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Hell, that guy could say at least his dry spell ended.
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Years without female affection... yeah most of my life until my mid-20s. Then I discovered game, had a series of epiphanies followed by a lot of risk-taking and hard work... nearly a decade later the people from my past barely recognize me... and in the best way possible. And now women are no longer a prize or obstacle... but mostly more of a chore. Laugh

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
To the guys who went through these stunningly long dry spells.

What was the population density of the place you were living?

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf

Most if not all of my time has been in areas shaded red, so technically 250+ per square mile, at the county level.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Woah, I live in a very conservative country, but some guys here have lost their v card only in their 20s. But they've become much better than average through that experience, and that's all that matters.
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(03-18-2016 04:55 PM)storm Wrote:  To the guys who went through these stunningly long dry spells.

What was the population density of the place you were living?

In my case, high. Urban area, over 1000 people/square km. (more than 3000 per square mile). A guy can live in a metropolis, but nowadays that won't help if you're a beta with no social skills.
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(03-18-2016 04:55 PM)storm Wrote:  To the guys who went through these stunningly long dry spells.

What was the population density of the place you were living?

I was living in Melbourne at the time. No shortage of pussy, just a distinct lack of motivation and confidence, compounded by embracing the "I" in my INTJ personality through my focus on weed at the expense of social interaction/integration.

Joining the military changed things up dramatically for the better.

Finding this place 3 years ago was yet another paradigm shift, to where my success with women (after requisite red pill conditioning) very much aligns with my deepest desires.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(03-15-2016 05:17 AM)Suits Wrote:  I heard a rumour that Little Dark once went 30 years without female affection.

You mean that women went 30 years without his affection.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I think I'm going to tell this story now. I don't know why. Maybe it's just because I'm here, maybe because it's the right time, maybe because there isn't anywhere else I could tell it.

I was single up until I was 21. The day I met her was.......well, I don't think I've had a day like it since. She lead by offering to buy me a drink and stroked my face later on. I was so blue pill back then that I had to ask my friends afterwards if that meant she liked me.
We started dating and I thanked God, Fate and Providence every single day for it. The day she called me her boyfriend, I picked her up and span her around I was so elated.
2 things stand out in my mind most from the year that we were together. 3 actually. The first was when I asked her the 'Who would you take on a desert island' question. She answered with me and to this day that remains the single sweetest thing a woman has ever said to me.
The second was when I told her I loved her. And you guys know how it is when you say that for the first time - the sweaty palms, the rapid heartbeat, the butterflies and semi-nauseating dread.
The third is how we never had sex. Not in the whole year we were together. Sure, we got naked, fooled around and did everything but. I broke it off a couple of weeks after our first anniversary.

That was about.....3 years ago, give or take. Since then I haven't had a woman's affection.

In that time I've taken the Red Pill and started lifting, reading more and approaching. Also got my V-card punched thanks to some very logical advice here on the forum.
I've been gradually realizing that I am attractive and that I do possess inherent value with good qualities that are desirable to women, even if they're a little unconventional.

But there's a part of me that knows somehow, deep down that when I get that feeling back, I'm going to try and lock it down like a son of a bitch.
Yet my logical minds commands that I don't get emotionally attached and keep my options open.
It's a real balancing act.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I recently made a list of all my dry spells since losing my virginity many years ago.

Before the red pill and game
My 2 longest dry spells were both after LTRs ended.
1 year and 3 months in each case.
....and I was trying really, really hard to get laid, albeit with beta methods,


After the red pill and game
6 months on 2 separate occasions.
Mostly out of laziness, but I wrote about the other reasons for that in this other thread.


Years spent as a virgin

However, the many years I spent as a virgin seem like a real and true CRIME against my happiness and sexuality. I say the word CRIME in the most literal sense. I feel like the whole system or society or way of life needs to be put on trial for making me frustrated and angry and miserable for so many years, and I should be paid compensation for all the years I missed on sexual experiences because I intentionally kept a clueless beta by everyone and everything.

Everyone and everything was conspiring against me getting any sex or female affection, and only teaching me things that were always leading me to failure over and over. I'm talking about movies, television, books, my elders, my parents, teachers, school, university, work colleagues, government legislation, law courts, the police, male friends, and especially girls all giving misleading, totally false and downright dangerous information on interacting with women. I’m not just thinking of myself, but of all you guys here and I’m also thinking of every frustrated virgin who has never been laid, every man who has spent years as an incel, every man who has been cheated on, and every man whose wife left him, destroyed all he built, and took his money and children. If you really think about it, how many male suicides worldwide, or murders across the globe could have been prevented just from teaching men game and getting them laid with some female affection ? Contemplated this way what we have had for the last 50 to 80 years is a crime of epic proportions.

In my grandfathers time every man was guaranteed at least 1 virgin woman in his life and some sex and affection from her provided he got married to her. Back then, even if your if your wife eventually became a total cold bitch or got fat, you still had a family, a home and affection from your children. The men who didn’t get married became monks or priests…this is how old society dealt with the MGTOWS and few gays back in the day. Sluts who had children out of wedlock usually were reformed by making putting them into convents and making them nuns. Society was stable, families were strong, children were plentiful, divorce was rare. Being single and living alone was really frowned upon. The old system ensured that in one way or another, both men and women had some form of company and satisfaction in their lives. Nowadays the only thing keeping men "sane" is endless online porn. Except that it isn't really....it's just keeping them weak and demotivated. In those countries where porn is still banned men act very, very differently.

I wish I could pin the blame on all my sexless years on one group of people or one thing....but the endless cockblocking information was coming from so many different angles and sources that all I can call it is "the system" or "modern society".

I think this is the reason so many of us get deeply political once we start to master game. We see that the way the world around us has been structured since we got our first boners has been always been totally against our happiness and satisfaction, and also taking most of our money in the process. This is the real reason we have the system we have now....it simply produces more much money at the expense of everything else, while keeping most men physically and mentally weak and frustrated & unhappy at the same time.

This is also the reason why today we are considered politically subversive and dangerous by those who want to keep the current system in place at all costs.
If we are ever in real control and the patriarchy returns, many, many people will be out of power forever and all their cash cows will all die at once.


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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
21 Years an Evangelical Christian Virgin: So far

I always thought of myself as a nice guy, but as you all know, that does nothing for you with women. Such was the way it worked for me. I never had any strong male role models in my life. All the men that had somewhat of a presence were passive with the exception of my grandfather who was old school. My performance in sports was below par, and I was bookish in every sense of the word. I was also slow to develop physically so I was always behind everyone until I was finishing highschool--literally finishing.

Would say a lot of problems I had in the social scene were due to the fact I didn't get a cellphone til 18. Never went to a single party in high school. When I got to college, largely agnostic college, all my peers around me were partying it up. I kid you not: I did not drink, smoke, do drugs, even drink coffee. Nothing. I didn't even curse. I was basically a mormon but in the real sense I guess you would call me an evangelical christian/ pious mainline protestant.

This is where the betaness shows itself. A girl I was into, who I thought was flirting with me had sex with a friend. And lied to me about it. I should not of cared, we weren't in a relationship, had just gone on one date. But I will not mince words here. IT CRUSHED ME. Maybe I have a fragile ego or sense of self, but it killed my self-confidence. And yes, I am somewhat of a neurotic personality. I turned to drinking and smoking to deal with this lack of self-confidence. And in all honesty if I had done something about my situation right then, really encountered the source of my feelings, I could have been laid. Probably within a week or a house party or two.

So, now we get to the current state of things. I'm finishing college. None of the relationships with women have been "serious", and I'm still a virgin. I revamped my wardrobe, started s*** talking like any proper blue blooded male should do, gotten more in touch with the emotional side of things (with women, reading cues, etc), and approaching. Here's the thing, I've been nightgaming and getting almost no numbers. And haven't managed a single date out of it. Ditto with online dating. I don't know how many approaches I've done recently maybe 100, maybe 200. I stopped logging them.

The good news is this. I'm waking up happy every day, or at least not feeling utterly crushed, which at this point is a feeling I'd been waking up with for roughly the past 5 to 7 years. I'm on no fap, so there's no problem there. I've realized that Porn has profoundly stunted my emotional development and empathy since I turned 18, which is when I started viewing it... While I used to be a heavy drinker to mediate the unrest I felt about lack of confidence, I've touched maybe 2 beers in the past month. And the month before that 0. I started opening up to some close friends, decently close, they were like, "dude that's weird" you're super social, really extroverted, and the life of the party." I don't know what the problem is here really. But I'm not extroverted at all, in some way I probably have some Scandinavian in me, because I feel like alcohol is the only way I can tolerate most people.

In recent months I've blown multiple opportunities with women or situations that could have panned out with me getting serious with a girl. My logical side says it's nerves, and that they will only go away when I get a win. Oftentimes the first win is the hardest. It's not even being a virgin that's the problem, although it's a big problem, the real problem is that every rejection just makes me feel more black-pilled. Realizing, perhaps, that I am way behind the curve on this one, and that only if I find a way to start developing quicker than my peers, will I be able to approach what you would call normalcy. Otherwise, this is going to be a problem I'm still dealing with at 25, or even late 20's.

I guess you could call me a 21 year old male, christian paragon of virtue. Yet I have nothing to show for it. Family thinks I'm a closeted homosexual, and I'm not. I just don't have the balls to tell them that somewhere along the way I learned some screwed up gender roles/ gender dynamics. I don't have the patience for an argument either.
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I didn't lost my virginity until I was 24 years old. Mainly, because I was hooked on pornography and as a result I didn't feel the necessity to establish contact with women. It was really weird because I couldn't feel any kind of attraction for girls who were below 8-10. I was neither bad looking nor short, so I had several chances to lose my virginity during my college years because some girls where really open to me but didn't even make the effort to hit on them. Anyways, It was like we said in my country, "god gives bread to people with no teeth"

Finally I was able to get rid of pornography and no sooner had I stopped watching pornography than that urge came back.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
A few years in my mid to late 20s. I really didn't care for the women who were around me at the time (variety of reasons, feminism being a major factor). I ended up putting all my focus and every last nickel I could spare into first savings $$, then buying up real estate (pre housing bubble when urban real estate was dirt cheap), and doing renovation work.

Looking back.. financially it was a smart move. Socially, it was rather unpleasant. As a middle age guy, I don't think I could put up with the lack of female companionship for such a long period of time (married 15+ years now).
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(07-09-2019 02:34 AM)Luger88 Wrote:  21 Years an Evangelical Christian Virgin: So far

I always thought of myself as a nice guy, but as you all know, that does nothing for you with women. Such was the way it worked for me. I never had any strong male role models in my life. All the men that had somewhat of a presence were passive with the exception of my grandfather who was old school. My performance in sports was below par, and I was bookish in every sense of the word. I was also slow to develop physically so I was always behind everyone until I was finishing highschool--literally finishing.

Would say a lot of problems I had in the social scene were due to the fact I didn't get a cellphone til 18. Never went to a single party in high school. When I got to college, largely agnostic college, all my peers around me were partying it up. I kid you not: I did not drink, smoke, do drugs, even drink coffee. Nothing. I didn't even curse. I was basically a mormon but in the real sense I guess you would call me an evangelical christian/ pious mainline protestant.

This is where the betaness shows itself. A girl I was into, who I thought was flirting with me had sex with a friend. And lied to me about it. I should not of cared, we weren't in a relationship, had just gone on one date. But I will not mince words here. IT CRUSHED ME. Maybe I have a fragile ego or sense of self, but it killed my self-confidence. And yes, I am somewhat of a neurotic personality. I turned to drinking and smoking to deal with this lack of self-confidence. And in all honesty if I had done something about my situation right then, really encountered the source of my feelings, I could have been laid. Probably within a week or a house party or two.

So, now we get to the current state of things. I'm finishing college. None of the relationships with women have been "serious", and I'm still a virgin. I revamped my wardrobe, started s*** talking like any proper blue blooded male should do, gotten more in touch with the emotional side of things (with women, reading cues, etc), and approaching. Here's the thing, I've been nightgaming and getting almost no numbers. And haven't managed a single date out of it. Ditto with online dating. I don't know how many approaches I've done recently maybe 100, maybe 200. I stopped logging them.

The good news is this. I'm waking up happy every day, or at least not feeling utterly crushed, which at this point is a feeling I'd been waking up with for roughly the past 5 to 7 years. I'm on no fap, so there's no problem there. I've realized that Porn has profoundly stunted my emotional development and empathy since I turned 18, which is when I started viewing it... While I used to be a heavy drinker to mediate the unrest I felt about lack of confidence, I've touched maybe 2 beers in the past month. And the month before that 0. I started opening up to some close friends, decently close, they were like, "dude that's weird" you're super social, really extroverted, and the life of the party." I don't know what the problem is here really. But I'm not extroverted at all, in some way I probably have some Scandinavian in me, because I feel like alcohol is the only way I can tolerate most people.

In recent months I've blown multiple opportunities with women or situations that could have panned out with me getting serious with a girl. My logical side says it's nerves, and that they will only go away when I get a win. Oftentimes the first win is the hardest. It's not even being a virgin that's the problem, although it's a big problem, the real problem is that every rejection just makes me feel more black-pilled. Realizing, perhaps, that I am way behind the curve on this one, and that only if I find a way to start developing quicker than my peers, will I be able to approach what you would call normalcy. Otherwise, this is going to be a problem I'm still dealing with at 25, or even late 20's.

I guess you could call me a 21 year old male, christian paragon of virtue. Yet I have nothing to show for it. Family thinks I'm a closeted homosexual, and I'm not. I just don't have the balls to tell them that somewhere along the way I learned some screwed up gender roles/ gender dynamics. I don't have the patience for an argument either.

Don't worry. I dropped out of society for more than a decade after being red pilled and then black pilled - until I found Christ. Now I'm essentially rebooting my life, while I had no contact with a female human being since the pre-smartphone age (the golden age). My game knowledge is just as old.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Yeah basically my whole life. I've spent probably 90% of my adult life by myself. There's been a few brief relationships here and there but I long ago gave up. Somehow I was in a serious year-long relationship last year and then her hypergamy kicked in and she "didn't see a future with a broke musician who won't get a real job". Hurt a lot at the time because I thought I found the "unicorn". It still does.

The problem? I'm way the other side of the 80/20 scale. Short, not attractive and broke. Despite being a musician and riding a motorcycle I'm not on anyone's radar. Living in South Florida around tons of money doesn't help.

I've tried all kinds of game, working out, you name it. Nothing worked and I just said F it and I go on about my life.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I guess this thread is a good place to introduce myself, I am a 26 year old virgin, I have K-closed several women throughout college, but since then basically nothing. I have never had a girlfriend. I discovered the redpill and the JQ during the 2016 election cycle. I was hoping to find an alt right waifu but so far have discovered they are all just the same as everyday THOTs.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
My marriage collapsed about 3 years ago. I stayed with her for two of those, hoping it would get better. No love or contact during those years. Filled for divorce and moved out early last year. I avoided dating until the divorce was final late last year. I wanted to keep celibate, in case we had a reconciliation. So that was about 2 1/2 years of no women’s physical affection.
How did I get out of it? Just dropped my ‘no dating’ rule. I’m fairly decent looking so getting with women isn’t too much of an issue.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(07-10-2019 05:04 PM)nathaniel trevor Wrote:  I guess this thread is a good place to introduce myself, I am a 26 year old virgin, I have K-closed several women throughout college, but since then basically nothing. I have never had a girlfriend. I discovered the redpill and the JQ during the 2016 election cycle. I was hoping to find an alt right waifu but so far have discovered they are all just the same as everyday THOTs.

The mistake you're making is that you're ignoring a behavior tradthots and thots have in common:

They're both primarily driven by a need for attention.


Instead look at the women who you wouldn't otherwise notice. The shy ones are the best ones. Look for one who doesn't seek or need constant attention. That's tougher than it sounds like because they are by definition harder to notice: they won't be as aggressively social, frequently won't enter every conversation, won't be dressed in a manner that draws attention, and are less likely to even be at events in the first place.
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If you had asked this question years ago on this forum, you would have gotten much different answers.

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07-12-2019 09:55 PM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(07-12-2019 09:49 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 05:04 PM)nathaniel trevor Wrote:  I guess this thread is a good place to introduce myself, I am a 26 year old virgin, I have K-closed several women throughout college, but since then basically nothing. I have never had a girlfriend. I discovered the redpill and the JQ during the 2016 election cycle. I was hoping to find an alt right waifu but so far have discovered they are all just the same as everyday THOTs.

The mistake you're making is that you're ignoring a behavior tradthots and thots have in common:

They're both primarily driven by a need for attention.


Instead look at the women who you wouldn't otherwise notice. The shy ones are the best ones. Look for one who doesn't seek or need constant attention. That's tougher than it sounds like because they are by definition harder to notice: they won't be as aggressively social, frequently won't enter every conversation, won't be dressed in a manner that draws attention, and are less likely to even be at events in the first place.

I concentrated on bookworms and girls who go to church when I was single. I highly recommend both.

Feminism in ten words: "Stop objectifying women! Can't you see I've hit the wall?" -Leonard D Neubache
07-12-2019 10:36 PM
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