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Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
^ There is certainly an audience for that type of work. 'The Game' and much of Roosh's earlier writings covered similar terrain; men who initially struggled with women and found success through hard work, not through their looks. Personally speaking, I still find these works quite inspiring.
08-04-2019 06:20 AM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
It's been 14 years for me oh, maybe 15 actually, I think the last time I had sex was 2005. I'm in my 50s and I'm not at all interested in women my own age. Like if somebody said to me, "we have this wonderful interesting woman who heard about you and wants to meet you for a date at such-and-such restaurant and she's willing to pay for the food, "
I would decline, I'd rather play my guitar.

I don't want to hurt anyone, I'd feel like shit , so I'm not going there, when a woman is attracted to you and you simply cannot reciprocate it really hurts her, I've seen it, I have hurt a couple of women because I did not want to have sex with them. At some point the game isn't worth playing anymore. So you go to Asia where you have some value to younger women, I don't know anything about this though.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Zep said: "It's been 14 years for me oh, maybe 15 actually, I think the last time I had sex was 2005. I'm in my 50s and I'm not at all interested in women my own age. Like if somebody said to me, "we have this wonderful interesting woman who heard about you and wants to meet you for a date at such-and-such restaurant and she's willing to pay for the food'"

I'm, in my 50's too and date 20-somethings. Highly recommend it. Probably more fun than playing guitar.
08-07-2019 01:53 AM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
If you're not lying, then good for you! I didn't mean to be rude there, but I have been on to Pua bootcamps in the past and read quite a large amount of forum posts, and I'll say that there was a lot of lying and exaggerating going on.

During those times there was only one man I saw who could pick up a 20 year old while in his 50s. He was a speaker at one of the Pua events. He had a very strong look and vibe, long hair very loud voice, a shady past, a proper old school badass. I saw for myself him with a nice, a nice not a skank, a nice young 22 year old student, not a stripper or somebody with daddy issues. I was seriously impressed. This dude was exceptional however, he didn't look or talk like Scott Adams, or Stefan molyneux for example. The latter are good solid men, nothing wrong with them at all, but not exactly dating material to a 20 year old.

Do you have something exceptional going on? Are you above average-looking? Are you the alpha male in some small ecosystem like a strip club? Are the twenty something girls you are dating nice, slim? I ask these questions because to be 50 something years old and pick up 20 something year old girls that are relatively speaking, normal, in North America, is an exceptional feat.
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(08-07-2019 11:23 AM)Zep Wrote:  If you're not lying, then good for you! I didn't mean to be rude there, but I have been on to Pua bootcamps in the past and read quite a large amount of forum posts, and I'll say that there was a lot of lying and exaggerating going on.

During those times there was only one man I saw who could pick up a 20 year old while in his 50s. He was a speaker at one of the Pua events. He had a very strong look and vibe, long hair very loud voice, a shady past, a proper old school badass. I saw for myself him with a nice, a nice not a skank, a nice young 22 year old student, not a stripper or somebody with daddy issues. I was seriously impressed. This dude was exceptional however, he didn't look or talk like Scott Adams, or Stefan molyneux for example. The latter are good solid men, nothing wrong with them at all, but not exactly dating material to a 20 year old.

Do you have something exceptional going on? Are you above average-looking? Are you the alpha male in some small ecosystem like a strip club? Are the twenty something girls you are dating nice, slim? I ask these questions because to be 50 something years old and pick up 20 something year old girls that are relatively speaking, normal, in North America, is an exceptional feat.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I've known guys in their 50's who are very successful with women age 18-25, and such guys are not that uncommon. No more uncommon than black guys who do very well with some white women (namely, those white women who are attracted to black guys). What they explained was that many girls that age are sexually adventurous and want an older man to teach them about sex and give them a taste of grown-up life, especially the high life: nice apartment, nice car, fancy restaurants, etc. These relationships tend to be short-lived. Of course, this was back in the 1990's when I knew these guys. I was in my 30's then. Maybe girls today are different, though I doubt it. I'm in my 50's now myself and continue to be as incompetent as ever with women of all ages.
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(08-07-2019 12:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Brad P?

I think it was a Steve P something. It was a long time ago.
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(08-07-2019 01:32 PM)Zep Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 12:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Brad P?

I think it was a Steve P something. It was a long time ago.

Oh, yeah, the creepy biker hypnotist.

I would rather have no girlfriend, and be me, than have a 20 year old, and be him.

He has some super secret vagina massage which is like cheating.




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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
I don’t want to make this about me. I’ll only go so far as to say I somehow dodged the ‘age bullet’. I look like I’m in my late thirties/early forties. And a lot of girls have ‘daddy ‘ issues.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-07-2019 01:40 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:32 PM)Zep Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 12:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Brad P?

I think it was a Steve P something. It was a long time ago.

Oh, yeah, the creepy biker hypnotist.

I would rather have no girlfriend, and be me, than have a 20 year old, and be him.

He has some super secret vagina massage which is like cheating.




Yea that's him. Just take what you like from him. Is he interesting and exciting to women? yes. Interesting look, non-robotic character unlike many pua's, iow, he has a soul, speaks with conviction and authority. Find a way to be a 'character' like him. The Art of Seduction by Cialdini covers the types of seducers, I'll go have a look now:

ok, this is good stuff, a big copy and paste here:

Quote:Part I: Seductive Characters

In the first part of The Art of Seduction Robert Greene describes the different personality types and character traits of the best seducers.


#2. The Rake

The Rake insatiably adores the opposite sex, and their desire is infectious.

The Rake is a great female fantasy-figure: when he desires a woman he will do anything for her. Sure he may be disloyal, but that only adds to his appeal.

The Rake is a guilty pleasure offering what society does not allow women: an affair of pure pleasure with the added bonus of danger.

To learn more about the rake type of seducers read:

The psychology of womanizers
How to spot a player
Signs you’re dating a fuckboy

#3. Charmer

Charmers want to please and know how to please: they are highly skilled social creatures.

Charmers seduce by removing themselves from the equation and taking full interest on their victims.

They will know what makes you tick, understand your pains and… Your weaknesses. Charmers make you feel understood and they feel better about yourself.

The Dangers of Charm

Robert Greene righteously says that some people tend to view Charmers as slippery and deceitful, and it can create problems for you.

Charmers must know then when to get rid of their flexibility and start acting inflexible.

#4. Charismatic

Charisma is an exciting presence.

It comes from inner qualities that make you stand out. It can be confidence, sexual energy, sense of purpose or contentment.
Most people lack these qualities, and what’s what draws them in.

Contrary to Charmers, Charismatics thrived during turmoils, when they can show off their daring.

The examples in The Are of Seduction are Joan of Arc and Rasputin.

Dangers of Charisma

Charisma is as volatile as the emotions it creates, says Robert Greene.

#5. Ideal Lover

Ideal lovers thrive on broken dreams.

You long for adventures, romance, losing yourself in the moment?
The Ideal Lover will reflect your fantasy.

Appeal to lofty ideals together with the carnal desires and sexual affairs will become sense-engulfing love affairs.

The Ideal Lover is rare in the modern world because it takes much effort and time.

Dangers of Ideal Lover

You create a fantasy that involves the idealization of your own character. If your faults get in the way, you will destroy that fantasy.

#6. Dandies

Dandies like to play with their image, creating a striking and androgynous allure.

They live for pleasure and surround themselves with beauty.

The sexes tend to have a chasm between them and they don’t understand the other. The Dandy is reassuring and feels comfortable for having similar traits.

The key is ambiguity: you are heterosexual, but you move delightfully back and forth between the two poles.

A difference with the Rake is that while the Rake’s insolence is tied to conquering a woman, the insolence of the Dandy is aimed at society and conventions: it’s no a woman he’s trying to conquer, but a whole social world.

Example:
An example of the slightly androgynous dandy is Russel Brand:

Dangers of Dandies

The Art of Seduction nails when it says that Dandies are likely to be accused of being too masculine -for women- or too feminine -for men-.

And of course, insolence can get someone really angry at you.

#7. Naturals

Naturals are spontaneous and open.

They bring us back to childhood, the golden paradise we consciously or unconsciously try to recreate.

They bring us back to that time by embodying those child-like qualities such as spontaneity and sincerity.

The key is to infuse your play with the conviction and feeling of a child, making it seem natural. The more absorbed you seem in your own joy-filled world, the more seductive you become.

Example:
You can see an example of child seduction in my article “how to drive him crazy“.

Dangers of Naturals

Total childishness can be annoying, so the best Naturals combine adult traits like experience and wisdom with a childlike manner.
It’s the mixture of qualities that is most attractive.

#8. Coquettes

Coquettes are self-sufficient.

They seem to say they don’t need you, and their narcissism is devilishly attractive.

Imitate the alternating heat and coolness of the Coquette to make your target chase even harder.

The real essence of Coquettes is to trap people emotionally. The secret of the coquette it’s not much tease and temptation, the secret weapon of the coquettes is emotional withdrawal.

Their withdrawal makes them mysterious… And it makes us insecure.
What if they’ve lost interest?

Example
You can see video examples of coquettes in action in “how to seduce a man“.

Dangers of Coquettes

Coquettes play with volatile emotions as love can easily shift into hate. Their absence can’t be too prolonged, anger but must be followed by smiles as the negatives can’t overweight the positives for too long.

#9. Stars

Stars are ethereal and envelop themselves in mystery.

Daily life is mundane and can be harsh. The star represents the escape into fantasies and dreams.

To be a star, The Art of Seduction says, you must transform yourself into a glittering object.

Dangers of Stars

The danger is that people will tire of your illusion and move to the next up and coming star.

Once that happens you will find it very difficult to regain your spot in the sun.

Anti-seducers

Greene dedicates a chapter to the personalities and traits of the anti-seducers.

Avoid them at all costs unless you want to repel everyone:

Brute: no patience and wants to skip seduction
Suffocator: cling incessantly & loves too soon
Moralizer: wants you to become like they want you to be
Tightwad: money above seduction
Bumbler: self-conscious and awkward
Windbag: talk incessantly
Reactor: terrified of having their ego hurt
Vulgarian: ignores the rules of seduction and yet expects to win.
Greedy: make it too obvious they’re after things

See an example of the bumbler here:

The 18 Types of Seducer Victims

Don’t think that everyone lacks what you are lacking and don’t try to seduce your own type.

Reformed Rake or Siren: long to escape what restricted their freedom
Disappointed Dreamer: stuck in a boring life and long for adventure
Pampered Royal: long for prince charming to let them live the pampered fantasy of a royal life
New Prude: concerned with appearance and judgment, secretly long release
Crushed Star: long to being adored again
Novice: excited of being introduced to a new, darker world…
Conquerer: give them an obstacle to overcome or a mission
Exotic Fetishist: want novelty, experiences, edgy stuff
Drama Queen: long for drama in their lives
Professor: analyze and ponder, but long being overwhelmed by a free spirit
Beauty: used to being appreciated. Focus on hidden features like her intellect or wit
Aging Baby: immature and looking for supportive parent
Rescuer: long to feel like they’re saving someone
The Roué: experienced in life and desire to educate someone more naive.
Idol Worshipper: seeking for a meaning in life
Sensualist: driven by their senses. Overwhelm their sight, smell, and touch
Lonely Leader: they’re not used to being bossed. Act as their equal or superior
Floating Gender: float with them
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-05-2019 10:18 AM)Zep Wrote:  It's been 14 years for me oh, maybe 15 actually, I think the last time I had sex was 2005. I'm in my 50s and I'm not at all interested in women my own age. Like if somebody said to me, "we have this wonderful interesting woman who heard about you and wants to meet you for a date at such-and-such restaurant and she's willing to pay for the food, "
I would decline, I'd rather play my guitar.

I don't want to hurt anyone, I'd feel like shit , so I'm not going there, when a woman is attracted to you and you simply cannot reciprocate it really hurts her, I've seen it, I have hurt a couple of women because I did not want to have sex with them. At some point the game isn't worth playing anymore. So you go to Asia where you have some value to younger women, I don't know anything about this though.

I do know about it .........
Moved to Thailand while being divorced 10 years back (age 52), doubt I've ever spent more than a week without a woman half my age in my bed. Wish I'd come here sooner. Although Thailand is getting a bit hard these days (VISA) Cambodia and Vietnam are jam packed with available young women, not to mention beer is 50c a glass in those two countries.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-07-2019 01:32 PM)Zep Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 12:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Brad P?

I think it was a Steve P something. It was a long time ago.

Yep Steve P! Man does time fly! It seems like yesterday when I was watching tapes of him onstage with David D. I don't know him that well, so can't comment on his stuff really. However the dude to his left is Hypnotica aka "Wolverine from the Game" This dude is as real as it gets!
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Wow. I'm like quite a few here.

I was an incel until my mid 20's. Most of the "do you lift bro" kind of advise never really applied to me. I was (still am) good looking and fit. I could have probably gotten laid as early as high school if my mind hadn't been warped by years of bullying at school and at home (shitty violent parenting). Even into my late 20s or early 30s I was having months or years long dry spell between relationships.

In my early 30s I quit my life as I knew it, sold everything and set to travel. Far away from that which was holding me down I shed insecurities and my personality changed. I was forced to take risks and deal with stuff.

I'm in my late 30s now. I have a more reasonable notch count but nothing to brag about and definitely not PUA level. I have a high status managerial position after reinventing my career and getting promoted a couple times. The difference with back home is amplified coming from a poor developing country.
I'm fluent in a handful of languages and have been to more than couple dozen countries and counting. I have experiences hiking or getting lost in places people back home couldn't possibly imagine.
Despite my age, I have a head full of hair and train around 10 hours a week in a combination of weight lifting and martial arts. From my sparring experience, I can kick most guys' ass ten times over. I'm muscular, have a low fat percentage and catch girls eye-fucking me from time to time. I look younger. Unlike 10 years ago, I have some grasp of game and how an interaction is supposed to flow. In sausage-fest social events, I often manage to get some kind of interaction with a reasonably attractive girl, get her contact info and/or pull her to another location. I still have a hard time.
I'm temporarily in SEA for work reasons : quantity is easily available if I wanted to inflate my notch count but quality is shit. My sex drive is lower than in Europe.

Some observations :
- the girls I was banging as girlfriends in my mid/late 20s, when I was insecure, sensitive and feeling hopeless, were much hotter and better in bed than anything that came after with much better control of the situation.

- online, most women say they want "something serious" without providing any reasons why a busy guy like me would want them in his life. If I match them and we seem to have something in common, they may still randomly ghost or have a shit attitude. I have good pics and get a dozen new matches every week being selective. They still turn out to be rubbish.

- My biggest source of confusion :
I said I have a hard time.
When I go to a social event there's always swarms of skinny-fat boring guys taking turns to talk to the same one girl - clearly there only for her. Some stare at me angrily when they see me with chicks.
Social circles I've waded into (from my baggage, I still have a general dislike for people) are, again, often a bunch of orbiters competing for face time with the one girl of the group (or two). Going out, trying to get these guys to come help me open a group has been a failure, even when getting IOIs. Opportunities lost. Excuses for everything. Even guys supposedly wanting to learn game drag me into pointless boring debates at a bar when we are surrounded by girls we should be approaching.
Trying to discuss game/relationships with guys have gotten them to try to loudly admonish me or say "I'm desperate" within earshot of nearby girls.
Finding a wingman in these conditions is almost impossible so I go out alone.
So, I have a hard time. But when are these guys, the majority of guys, getting laid? Where? With whom?
They don't cold approach. They look lame. Their social circles don't have attractive girls.
Some claim that they are on top of their game but their fighting for scraps, fatties, fanatic intensity in 0.0001% chance kind of situations proves to me the contrary.
Note that I see this in Europe but also in Asia. . .
The average dude I always wanted to be seems pretty fucked up. . .

- In Europe I saw how corporations and governments are colluding to disempower men. Bring in thousands of young male aggressive third-world migrants to compete for the same jobs (and women) for no reason, keep them walking on egg shells with potential sexual harassment or sexism accusations, reduce the benefits, have them working longer hours for the same or less pay, etc. . . And make sure they keep consuming to fill that hole of insecurity amplified by instagram and shit like that. I'm not officially right wing, red-pill, mgtow or anything like that but it's quite clear this is happening in "developed" countries.

- The PUA industry, is part of the above. It's a scam not because the techniques don't work or otherwise but because it exacerbates competition between men, with a promise and standards of success that lead ultimately to a zero-sum game limited by a shrinking pool of attractive women (that get more and more entitled from all this attention). Hence that now every networking event, every meet up, every fucking language course you name it will have one (or five, or ten, sometimes more than girls including the fatties) retards going in circles, butting into every conversation, spamming canned lines, amoging right and left because they read somewhere that that makes them "alpha". They don't succeed nearly as much as create a tense shitty vibe. Since when is this supposed to be a good thing?
Less desperation and more fat-shaming is the way to go.
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
^ I've been trying to think of how to respond to your post, and I've got it now that I'm watching a Pua product.

Dude, you are doing a LOT right, except probably the most important thing. I haven't met you in real life, but based on the post above you need to work on your vibe. What you feel the girl feels. Also, go out solo, forget wings if they're bringing you down. Also, there are good girls out there for you, you have to spend time actually looking for an area and time that is good for you personally. I have a friend who did this, he spend some time finding a location and a time of day to cold approach women that he is specifically interested in ... professionals on the younger side.

So if what you are reading or watching on the news is filling your head with negativity, then stop ( pfffft, *I* should talk, I have a problem with this too ), but this Black Pill stuff can bring your vibe down big time, just stop it.

Good Luck
08-10-2019 08:31 AM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-10-2019 08:31 AM)Zep Wrote:  ^ I've been trying to think of how to respond to your post, and I've got it now that I'm watching a Pua product.

Dude, you are doing a LOT right, except probably the most important thing. I haven't met you in real life, but based on the post above you need to work on your vibe. What you feel the girl feels. Also, go out solo, forget wings if they're bringing you down. Also, there are good girls out there for you, you have to spend time actually looking for an area and time that is good for you personally. I have a friend who did this, he spend some time finding a location and a time of day to cold approach women that he is specifically interested in ... professionals on the younger side.

So if what you are reading or watching on the news is filling your head with negativity, then stop ( pfffft, *I* should talk, I have a problem with this too ), but this Black Pill stuff can bring your vibe down big time, just stop it.

Good Luck

I like your idea about finding a place and time that you feel comfortable with. I've always hated alcohol and been on the bookish and introverted side, so when I was single I'd concentrate on bookstores (they were still common then) and more generally on girls who were either bookworms or churchgoers. I didn't quite rack up the notches that a lot of guys did back in the PUA golden age a few years ago, but I was far from an incel, and I actually liked most of the girls I got involved with.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
It's a lot easier to go out and makeout with a few girls in a single night than you might believe (if that's what you want). If it's been years since you've received any type of affection from a woman it just sounds like you haven't put yourself out there
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
3.5 years....it's pretty terrible. At 34 I'm arguably in the best shape of my life, career is finally stable, got a lot of things going for me, and overall pretty happy with life - except for that obvious thing that lurks at the foundation of Maslow's hierarchy.

Stopped using online dating/Tinder/etc about 2 years ago because it never worked for me and made me feel worse. Most of my life has been a dry spell that gets broken up periodically, and ironically almost every girl I've been with seems to think I'm some master player (making jokes about other girls etc.). I've approached a lot of girls in the meantime, had some dates, but a lot of ghosting and discouraging milquetoast responses. Just going to keep self improving and pushing forward I guess...what else can I do?

I actually have a lot of sympathy for the whole "incel" community, even though I don't subscribe to their "looks/bone structure is everything" blackpill religion. Things have definitely gotten HORRIBLE with social media, things are so much different than 10 years ago, and it's hard for even a decent looking guy with his shit together to get halfway decent responses from 5/10 women in real life. The trend seems to be to mock, ostracize, and ban these people from assembling online to vent their anger, never address their at times legitimate and factual points, and then act shocked when they go postal and/or suicidal.

I've found that along with all the other bluepilled fucking bullshit that everyone gets told their entire lives, one of the worst lines is "confidence comes from within, so ya know just be confident duh". No, it fucking doesn't. It comes from success from taking a chance, and repeated successes that build on that initial success. I always feel the most confident in life overall when I actually have recently kissed/made out/fucked a girl. It's crazy when I look back at how cocky/confident/smooth I've been in the past when I was fatter and depressed but had recently gotten laid...it's really hard to just conjure that up when you haven't had sex in over a year.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Yep, never even kissed a girl until my mid-20s. And even to get to that point, it took several years of reprogramming my brain and practicing going out and socializing. While I do think a lot of the current PUA stuff is a scam, without The Game and David DeAngelo stuff helping kickstart me down the right path I'd probably have roped years ago. Thank God I also started the PUA stuff before all this smartphone shit came out and made things 10x more difficult for guys like myself who are genetically at a disadvantage than the average guy in the US (i.e. I'm short, ethnic, and ugly.)
08-29-2019 05:26 PM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-29-2019 04:07 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  3.5 years....it's pretty terrible. At 34 I'm arguably in the best shape of my life, career is finally stable, got a lot of things going for me, and overall pretty happy with life - except for that obvious thing that lurks at the foundation of Maslow's hierarchy.

Stopped using online dating/Tinder/etc about 2 years ago because it never worked for me and made me feel worse. Most of my life has been a dry spell that gets broken up periodically, and ironically almost every girl I've been with seems to think I'm some master player (making jokes about other girls etc.). I've approached a lot of girls in the meantime, had some dates, but a lot of ghosting and discouraging milquetoast responses. Just going to keep self improving and pushing forward I guess...what else can I do?

I actually have a lot of sympathy for the whole "incel" community, even though I don't subscribe to their "looks/bone structure is everything" blackpill religion. Things have definitely gotten HORRIBLE with social media, things are so much different than 10 years ago, and it's hard for even a decent looking guy with his shit together to get halfway decent responses from 5/10 women in real life. The trend seems to be to mock, ostracize, and ban these people from assembling online to vent their anger, never address their at times legitimate and factual points, and then act shocked when they go postal and/or suicidal.

I've found that along with all the other bluepilled fucking bullshit that everyone gets told their entire lives, one of the worst lines is "confidence comes from within, so ya know just be confident duh". No, it fucking doesn't. It comes from success from taking a chance, and repeated successes that build on that initial success. I always feel the most confident in life overall when I actually have recently kissed/made out/fucked a girl. It's crazy when I look back at how cocky/confident/smooth I've been in the past when I was fatter and depressed but had recently gotten laid...it's really hard to just conjure that up when you haven't had sex in over a year.

As a longtime former incel I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying about the incel community. Most are just dying for any kind of female affection, let alone romantic or sexual attention. I also find that most people who make fun of incels are most likely busted, insecure women or guys who are incels themselves, but in denial about it. Let's not forget that most of the OG PUAs were essentially incels themselves.

Just curious... whereabouts do you live? You seem to have your shit together so I'm surprised to see it's been 3.5 years.
08-29-2019 05:39 PM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Pretty much didn't get any until I was almost 22...no surprise that I was completely infatuated with that girl. And of course shortly after dating her, women were suddenly giving me more attention than ever.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
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"That's 100% Cambodian."
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
Yep... 22 was when I lost my virginity as well. Of course once you get a little momentum going they swarm you. You either have many women interested in you or zero women interested in you, there's no middle ground sadly.

My notch count since then certainly isn't incel tier (11), and most of the women were in the 6.5/7 range, but overall my sex life has been really unsatisfying and "spotty". Just a constant feeling throughout my life of just not being good enough, battling my own mind and poor self esteem. Typical beta with a beta father that provided and didn't teach me a damn thing about women or believing in myself. He kept our family together and on good terms with each other so I have no resentment though. I pretty much had to teach everything to myself and really never found any true "red pill" friends in real life. I have a lot of friends, am probably a 6-6.5/10 face, not short, in a mid size east coast city that I love...except I do terrible with women here. Always feel more confident when I travel even just to other cities in the state.

I think my main problem is that I suck at "selling myself." I have a ton to offer and women (all taken of course) in my social circles are often fascinated and amazed at all the things I have going on in my life and the skills/knowledge I have once they get to know me. I've just never been good at the initial approach and small talk/attraction stage as an introvert...but get me out on a date with a girl that I know is at least interested enough to meet me and I typically knock it out of the park. It's getting the damn date that I have the most trouble with.

Anyway, it really sucks being unsuccessful at this age after hearing all throughout my 20s that dating in 30s was incredible and easy once you got your life together. Just have to keep putting in the work I suppose...I think it still just comes down to that I'm not meeting enough women. Shit's hard to do in person these days as I swear everyone's social skills are nullified and retarded by smartphones, and most girls just don't seem "open" to being approached at all.

Then again...all this work for spoiled entitled tatted up masculine women? I really should take a 3 week trip somewhere a little more friendly. I just hope smartphones haven't completely ruined the whole world of women by the time I'm able to do that.

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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-29-2019 08:43 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  Yep... 22 was when I lost my virginity as well. Of course once you get a little momentum going they swarm you. You either have many women interested in you or zero women interested in you, there's no middle ground sadly.

My notch count since then certainly isn't incel tier (11), and most of the women were in the 6.5/7 range, but overall my sex life has been really unsatisfying and "spotty". Just a constant feeling throughout my life of just not being good enough, battling my own mind and poor self esteem. Typical beta with a beta father that provided and didn't teach me a damn thing about women or believing in myself. He kept our family together and on good terms with each other so I have no resentment though. I pretty much had to teach everything to myself and really never found any true "red pill" friends in real life. I have a lot of friends, am probably a 6-6.5/10 face, not short, in a mid size east coast city that I love...except I do terrible with women here. Always feel more confident when I travel even just to other cities in the state.

I think my main problem is that I suck at "selling myself." I have a ton to offer and women (all taken of course) in my social circles are often fascinated and amazed at all the things I have going on in my life and the skills/knowledge I have once they get to know me. I've just never been good at the initial approach and small talk/attraction stage as an introvert...but get me out on a date with a girl that I know is at least interested enough to meet me and I typically knock it out of the park. It's getting the damn date that I have the most trouble with.

Anyway, it really sucks being unsuccessful at this age after hearing all throughout my 20s that dating in 30s was incredible and easy once you got your life together. Just have to keep putting in the work I suppose...I think it still just comes down to that I'm not meeting enough women. Shit's hard to do in person these days as I swear everyone's social skills are nullified and retarded by smartphones, and most girls just don't seem "open" to being approached at all.

Then again...all this work for spoiled entitled tatted up masculine women? I really should take a 3 week trip somewhere a little more friendly. I just hope smartphones haven't completely ruined the whole world of women by the time I'm able to do that.

How old are you btw?
08-29-2019 09:51 PM
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-29-2019 08:43 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  Yep... 22 was when I lost my virginity as well. Of course once you get a little momentum going they swarm you. You either have many women interested in you or zero women interested in you, there's no middle ground sadly.

My notch count since then certainly isn't incel tier (11), and most of the women were in the 6.5/7 range, but overall my sex life has been really unsatisfying and "spotty". Just a constant feeling throughout my life of just not being good enough, battling my own mind and poor self esteem. Typical beta with a beta father that provided and didn't teach me a damn thing about women or believing in myself. He kept our family together and on good terms with each other so I have no resentment though. I pretty much had to teach everything to myself and really never found any true "red pill" friends in real life. I have a lot of friends, am probably a 6-6.5/10 face, not short, in a mid size east coast city that I love...except I do terrible with women here. Always feel more confident when I travel even just to other cities in the state.

I think my main problem is that I suck at "selling myself." I have a ton to offer and women (all taken of course) in my social circles are often fascinated and amazed at all the things I have going on in my life and the skills/knowledge I have once they get to know me. I've just never been good at the initial approach and small talk/attraction stage as an introvert...but get me out on a date with a girl that I know is at least interested enough to meet me and I typically knock it out of the park. It's getting the damn date that I have the most trouble with.

Anyway, it really sucks being unsuccessful at this age after hearing all throughout my 20s that dating in 30s was incredible and easy once you got your life together. Just have to keep putting in the work I suppose...I think it still just comes down to that I'm not meeting enough women. Shit's hard to do in person these days as I swear everyone's social skills are nullified and retarded by smartphones, and most girls just don't seem "open" to being approached at all.

Then again...all this work for spoiled entitled tatted up masculine women? I really should take a 3 week trip somewhere a little more friendly. I just hope smartphones haven't completely ruined the whole world of women by the time I'm able to do that.


Fantastic post! However with 11 Bangs in the Bank... you obviously know how to get around... but the question is do you still want to? By gaining the knowledge of Game... you also gain the knowledge of why Game even exist... and most importantly... is needed in the first place! Throw in the conscientious nature of the Red Pill men... and a huge "block" might develop... until you clearly decide in which direction you want to head out with women!

Now I'm not saying you're creating excuses for yourself, as what you've stated are truly roadblocks, but our mind is so adept at creating illusions we could bust up in milliseconds if we actually tried!

I stopped Daygaming for pretty much the same reasons you described... and it's only about a year later that I realized that I truly stopped since I was no longer interested in running up & down crowded streets for a 20% chance for an Insta Date, and within that 20% pool, a 3-5% chance for a Bang!

The successes I had achieved were sufficient to plug out what needed to be plugged. You might have reached that point as well where a clear path with women needs to be laid out before you even can do anything. Just Sayin!
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RE: Anyone else here gone YEARS without any female affection?
(08-30-2019 12:32 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 08:43 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  Yep... 22 was when I lost my virginity as well. Of course once you get a little momentum going they swarm you. You either have many women interested in you or zero women interested in you, there's no middle ground sadly.

My notch count since then certainly isn't incel tier (11), and most of the women were in the 6.5/7 range, but overall my sex life has been really unsatisfying and "spotty". Just a constant feeling throughout my life of just not being good enough, battling my own mind and poor self esteem. Typical beta with a beta father that provided and didn't teach me a damn thing about women or believing in myself. He kept our family together and on good terms with each other so I have no resentment though. I pretty much had to teach everything to myself and really never found any true "red pill" friends in real life. I have a lot of friends, am probably a 6-6.5/10 face, not short, in a mid size east coast city that I love...except I do terrible with women here. Always feel more confident when I travel even just to other cities in the state.

I think my main problem is that I suck at "selling myself." I have a ton to offer and women (all taken of course) in my social circles are often fascinated and amazed at all the things I have going on in my life and the skills/knowledge I have once they get to know me. I've just never been good at the initial approach and small talk/attraction stage as an introvert...but get me out on a date with a girl that I know is at least interested enough to meet me and I typically knock it out of the park. It's getting the damn date that I have the most trouble with.

Anyway, it really sucks being unsuccessful at this age after hearing all throughout my 20s that dating in 30s was incredible and easy once you got your life together. Just have to keep putting in the work I suppose...I think it still just comes down to that I'm not meeting enough women. Shit's hard to do in person these days as I swear everyone's social skills are nullified and retarded by smartphones, and most girls just don't seem "open" to being approached at all.

Then again...all this work for spoiled entitled tatted up masculine women? I really should take a 3 week trip somewhere a little more friendly. I just hope smartphones haven't completely ruined the whole world of women by the time I'm able to do that.


Fantastic post! However with 11 Bangs in the Bank... you obviously know how to get around... but the question is do you still want to? By gaining the knowledge of Game... you also gain the knowledge of why Game even exist... and most importantly... is needed in the first place! Throw in the conscientious nature of the Red Pill men... and a huge "block" might develop... until you clearly decide in which direction you want to head out with women!

Now I'm not saying you're creating excuses for yourself, as what you've stated are truly roadblocks, but our mind is so adept at creating illusions we could bust up in milliseconds if we actually tried!

I stopped Daygaming for pretty much the same reasons you described... and it's only about a year later that I realized that I truly stopped since I was no longer interested in running up & down crowded streets for a 20% chance for an Insta Date, and within that 20% pool, a 3-5% chance for a Bang!

The successes I had achieved were sufficient to plug out what needed to be plugged. You might have reached that point as well where a clear path with women needs to be laid out before you even can do anything. Just Sayin!

Do you mean 3-5% chance per approach? Sounds like you had great game if you do.

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