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(12-15-2017 09:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 08:18 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 07:40 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  As much as it's going to piss off many of the single guys here, people that don't breed are in many ways more like visa holders than genuine citizens.

Damn. 11 Tours of duty in Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Colombia, Africa, and Eastern Europe I just got citizenship pulled because I didn't impregnate my high school sweetheart.

Easy, sport. In my world only service members and vets would get the vote so we'd have none of these problems in the first place.

Fixing this tangled mess we're left with is not easy but encouraging middle-class families to start breeding again is an absolute necessity. Your service is a credit to you but nations survive on the premise of the nuclear family. It if makes it any easier then I'd much rather those breaks be funded out of every last cent of ghetto welfare and foreign aid.

I'm not your "Sport" and the middle class doesn't need to be incentivized to reproduce by tax credits that other's must pay for. If you can't afford to reproduce on your current income, I hardly see the benefit to having a child for an additional $1400/year income--which is nothing when raising a child, but increases the national debt by multiple billions because the people benefiting from that are not the middle class. It's the dregs of welfare society that have 7 children and have never held a job in their entire life. They will actually get a "tax credit." In the case we are talking about, it's a blanket child credit which would include the least desirables of our society which will certainly not be beneficial to our nations "survival." More like feeding the nations demise, "Chap."

Kudos for your support of veterans.

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I'm not your "chap", buddy.

And in any case I haven't read the particulars of the bill. I'm speaking in a broader sense. If it supports the dregs then it's indeed misguided (we had our own version of that stupidity here in Australia during the Howard era and it was commonly known as the "flat-screen plasma television bonus").

I was assuming a tax break involved actually having to pay taxes.
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It's called a "tax break," but it's actually a "tax credit" for each child you have. "Tax break" sounds better and is more palatable. It actually encourages those with low or no income, who couldn't give two shits about their children, to have more children and the rest of us have to pick up the tab.

That's what Coulter was saying. An extra $1400/yr to middle class families is okay, but it's not an incentive to reproduce. It is, however, legit income for people that leach the government. So, the majority of successful, single people will face a tax increase to pay for these benefits.

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(12-15-2017 10:27 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  It's called a "tax break," but it's actually a "tax credit" for each child you have. "Tax break" sounds better and is more palatable. It actually encourages those with low or no income, who couldn't give two shits about their children, to have more children and the rest of us have to pick up the tab.

That's what Coulter was saying. An extra $1400/yr to middle class families is okay, but it's not an incentive to reproduce. It is, however, legit income for people that leach the government. So, the majority of successful, single people will face a tax increase to pay for these benefits.

That is what most supposed "tax reforms" are about.

I am sure most of us would probably be against any financial aid for single mother households - only married mothers get the aid, extra if he is the biological dad, extra extra for certain demographics if the dad has an IQ over 110. Then you have positive eugenics added - smartest dads having the most kids. That would repair families and wipe out crime in certain groups better than any housing projects and speeches from Obama about trigger-happy cops.

But of course you are not going to get anything. Currently it seems as if most tax reforms are mostly benefiting the super-rich or the welfare dependent underclass. The middle class is getting squeezed out ever more. And yes - 1400$/year/child means nothing to the middle class while it means only something to the underclass or to single mothers. It seems to be aiding the single mothers and welfare anchor baby immigrants more than anyone else. At least the poor will spend the cash into existence again. AS for the tax cuts for the rich - aside from an initial boost I don't expect anything useful after that. The middle class gets shafted ever more.
12-16-2017 05:04 AM
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This is good news Lara Trump and O'keefe are involved with a bigger network of spies for college campuses. Hopefully this will help stop discrimination against right wing views in the long run.
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Did Traktor just get banned for going against the grain on the Donald Trump thread? His arguments were sometimes moronic, but I doubt they merited a ban.
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This clip is a good example of why female law enforcement officer can not handle a man alone when trying to make an arrest because he is stronger than her. Starts around the :16 mark.
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(12-21-2017 10:35 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  Did Traktor just get banned for going against the grain on the Donald Trump thread? His arguments were sometimes moronic, but I doubt they merited a ban.

There seemed to be some speculation that he was running multiple troll accounts.

Not sure though.
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(12-22-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 10:35 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  Did Traktor just get banned for going against the grain on the Donald Trump thread? His arguments were sometimes moronic, but I doubt they merited a ban.

There seemed to be some speculation that he was running multiple troll accounts.

Not sure though.

He always seemed to pop up in the Trump thread the same time other low energy trolls would. He no doubt had a high warning level from personally insulting members. Insinuating that Palestine was morally right and making an ambiguous statement about defending Palestine were no doubt the final straws. He was similar to Jean Valjean, he would make snarky statements and then fail to defend his positions, with anything above insults and snark.

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I don't want the forum to become an echo chamber but if you're going to push socialism and whacky shit like that then you've really got to bring an A-level game to the board and keep it clean as well.

This forum has been remarkably tolerant of outside views delivered intelligently and respectfully.
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(12-22-2017 11:44 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I don't want the forum to become an echo chamber but if you're going to push socialism and whacky shit like that then you've really got to bring an A-level game to the board and keep it clean as well.

This forum has been remarkably tolerant of outside views delivered intelligently and respectfully.

Times have changed for sure. I got my first censor for saying something that would've been easily overlooked in the past. Definitely not saying I didn't deserve it, but it was rather mild in the way you used to handle one another. We could insult (to a degree) one another and the person could insult back. It was just part of the forum.
Then again,we very rarely talked of politics. The forum was about Game and Travel.
Seems there is very little talk of Game and much more talk of Politics and you're walking on eggshells, compared to the past. This is a very strange twist in the way things are going...

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(12-22-2017 10:25 PM)Number one bummer Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 10:35 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  Did Traktor just get banned for going against the grain on the Donald Trump thread? His arguments were sometimes moronic, but I doubt they merited a ban.

There seemed to be some speculation that he was running multiple troll accounts.

Not sure though.

He always seemed to pop up in the Trump thread the same time other low energy trolls would. He no doubt had a high warning level from personally insulting members. Insinuating that Palestine was morally right and making an ambiguous statement about defending Palestine were no doubt the final straws. He was similar to Jean Valjean, he would make snarky statements and then fail to defend his positions, with anything above insults and snark.

I think Traktor mentioned that he was an actual communist - it's in his logo as well. No surprise that the ideology would seep through other issues as well - and sooner or later rub the people on the forum the wrong way.

Not all of us trust the Trump positive hyperbole, but I guess most of us know that Trump was 100 times better than the Beast of Benghazi or the predecessor gay Muslim communist Obama. (who I find likeable as a person and see the value of a black man becoming president - but I hate his politics and full-on globalist obedience) Economically the US already does better partly thanks to Donald Trump. What comes out of it later - we will see about that.
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I personally don't think comrade Traktor got banned because of his support for Palestine or constant smearing of Trump. He was most likely banned because he can't give any arguments without ad hominem attacks. Regardless of your political orientation, 99% of forums have zero tolerance for that.


Also...he was a little bit out of place here in this forum. He is a communist, and neomasculinity is deeply opposed to socialism and communism.


But whether we like him or not (personally, I detest him and his ilk), we must give him credit. Instead of praising communism, while at the same time enjoying the freedom which capitalistic society provides, he went a step further and moved to Belarus (an autocratic socialist state). Many other forum members who praise Russia, Iran, Cuba... from the comfort of the US (and other Western countries) lack his courage.

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He actually posted this. This makes him a meme hero and hero to the alt-right, but I don't think it will help him win.
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(12-15-2017 10:27 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  It's called a "tax break," but it's actually a "tax credit" for each child you have. "Tax break" sounds better and is more palatable. It actually encourages those with low or no income, who couldn't give two shits about their children, to have more children and the rest of us have to pick up the tab.

That's what Coulter was saying. An extra $1400/yr to middle class families is okay, but it's not an incentive to reproduce. It is, however, legit income for people that leach the government. So, the majority of successful, single people will face a tax increase to pay for these benefits.

This is completely wrong. No income individuals don't qualify for this, they didn't pay any tax so there is nothing to deduct from. An Coulter doesn't have any children herself. Also, low income single mom types don't make future decisions based on tax bills. If they get knocked up, its because they are dumb sluts and not because of a 1400 dollar tax credit. When they are swiping right on tinder at 11pm at night after their first child is fast asleep, they don't think "normally, i wouldn't do this, but now after this GOP tax bill" [swipes right, throws pills away]

If you combine the $10,000 private school tax credit with the additional 1400$ per child then you can see how much of a benefit it would be to those earning midle income and looking to have children. The joint filing standard deduction is now large enough that this will make a huge difference. Married couples with jobs are the ones that actually think about tax changes and plan for the future when making a decision on whether or not they should have another child.

If we are talking about NY -LA and other cities then yes this won't make much of a difference and it will likely mostly help mexican families who already have kids in those cities as city whites have decided not to sacrifice their outdoor activity time and dogs for children. This is a cultural problem that no amount of tax credit will fix. It will require completely gutting the department of education for changes to occur in the next generation. However if we are talking about the trump's base then this will definitely make an impact.
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United Airlines is a scumbag for bumping someone from her first class seat by giving it to Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.
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Quote:Not to belabor this, but here's my story with my TSA/Global Entry/Gold Elite boarding pass status and "X's" name in the text:
I am not given to publishing epistles on Facebook, and especially at Christmas, but now I have my very own United Airlines story to share:

Not feeling sufficiently cowed by the media debacle following its forcible and well-documented removal of a ticketed passenger from a Kentucky bound flight in April, the friendly skies of United continues to treat passengers badly, and to lie. This time, it involved United flight #788 from Houston’s Bush International Airport to Reagan National in Washington DC on December 18, 2017. And Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas). And me.

On December 3, 2017, I purchased a round trip, first class ticket to Guatemala. I selected four first class seats at time of purchase. United provided an email confirmation with a receipt and the four seat designations. Everything was fine until I returned to Houston yesterday.

After flying up from Guatemala to Houston, the last segment was flight #788 from Bush International to DC. Because the flight departure time was delayed for a late incoming aircraft from Guadalajara, I spent two hours in the United lounge in Terminal E. I was at Gate E4 an hour before departure. About 30 minutes before takeoff, a uniformed United flight attendant pulled Ms. Jackson Lee from priority boarding Line 1. They were a couple feet from me, and I heard the United flight attendant tell Jackson Lee, “Let’s get on.”

The United attendant and Jackson Lee boarded the plane first, including before the pre-boarding of uniformed military, toddlers, people with disabilities and Global Services passengers, and even a group of fellow Texas congressmen whom Jackson Lee had been talking to before she was escorted onto the plane. Line 1 boarded, but when they scanned my ticket, my seat and my reservation had been removed from the system. The gate agent could not find my seat; she could not even find my ticket or my name. She tried for several minutes to pull up my reservation, but I had been wiped from the system. The gate agent called over a second United agent who confirmed that I had no seat, not just the first class seat I had purchased, but no seat, period. I didn’t even have a reservation anymore.

The second agent asked the other agent if I was late coming in from another flight or another airline. The first agent told him no, that I had been on United, that my first segment had arrived three hours earlier, and that I had been at the gate. Then the second agent told me that perhaps I had cancelled my own reservation. I said that was impossible: I had a boarding ticket in hand and I just wanted to get home. Then he told me that “united.com has changed your reservation” and there was nothing United could do about it.

I said I wanted my seat, that I had paid a lot of miles for that seat, and that it was United’s responsibility to undo the seat assignment and return it to me, the person who had paid for it. He said no, because I had “unreserved” my seat and it had been given to another passenger, that s/he had been “upgraded.” He said I could “stand here and argue” and miss the flight or book another flight with another airline, meaning that I would lose my first class ticket and pay for a second one. I said I wanted my seat, 1A, that I had paid for and selected in early December and one that the upgraded passenger in 1A was now freeloading, literally at my expense. He said that couldn’t happen because they couldn’t “disrupt” what was already done. He offered me a $300 voucher. I said I wanted $500 and a free meal. He said, “And I want a Mercedes Benz, but that’s not going to happen.” Then he invited me to complete a United online survey when the flight was over.

The first agent went into the United reservations system and told me that one hour and twenty minutes earlier, my seat had been re-assigned. That means that at about 11:20am, a United employee went into the system, eliminated my 1A seat designation, and re-assigned it to Jackson Lee.
I was the last passenger on the plane. A Texas congressman, a nice guy, sat down next to me. He said was glad I had made it on the flight. I showed him my boarding pass with my seat, 1A, printed on it. He said, “You know what happened, right? Do you know who’s in your seat?” I said no. He told me that it was Jackson Lee, a fellow U.S. congresswoman who regularly does this, that this was the third time he personally had watched her bump a passenger. Then he asked me if I knew whom Jackson Lee represents in Congress: Bush International Airport in Houston. He apologized, saying, “Jackson Lee gives us all a bad name; it’s shameful.”

The hydraulic pump on the flight wasn’t working, so after 50 minutes stalled at the gate, passengers were invited to consult with a gate agent at the front of the plane about alternative flights. I went to the front, where Jackson Lee was in my seat. I took a picture. I told a flight attendant, the one who had pre-boarded Jackson Lee that I knew why I had been bumped.

Five minutes later, a flight attendant sat down next to me and asked if I was going to be a “problem” on the flight. I asked if she heard me shouting or complaining. She said no, but I had taken a photo. (Taking photos is not illegal: if I had been a happy constituent of Jackson Lee and had asked to take a photo with Jackson Lee, she would happily have complied.) The flight attendant said that security would remove me from the plane if I “created problems.” I said I just wanted to get home. I said to her, to paraphrase, “Why should someone get a seat I paid for?” She responded that the person had Global Services status. In fact, Jackson Lee boarded even before Global Services was invited to board, not to mention that the first class seat was mine regardless of Jackson Lee’s priority status.

The flight attendant went back to the front of the cabin and I spent the next five minutes wondering if I was going to be escorted off the plane by an armed security guard. The flight took off and landed late at Reagan National in DC.
United lied to me, repeatedly. They put Jackson Lee on the plane and then tried to blame it on a late incoming flight, another airline, my cell phone, united.com, Global Services, and on everybody but the United employee who deliberately erased my seat, my ticket, and my name from the system in order to accommodate a member of Congress who repeatedly bullies his/her way into favored status.

United has some wonderful employees, like the gate agents at Reagan National and some flight attendants who, if there’s a war, I want on my side. But unfortunately, what one most remembers is the humiliation and expense wrought by United, who apparently believes that we all should be lucky to be flying the friendly skies with an airline that treats the paying public like dirt.
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Okay. What's the Trumpian nickname for Jackson now?

"Seat stealing Shiela"?

Imperfect. Not the kind of thing you'd want to say 5 times fast.

edit: The hashtag writes itself, though.

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We should not be so mean to the intellectually impaired.

The funny part is that there were other congressmen waiting on the same flight, but she literally used her political power to have the airline eliminate someone from the flight.

If it were legal to have someone killed, then she would do it.
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Wow, seeing the videos and reading about protests in Mashhad (Iran's 2nd biggest city). Definitely the most vocal since the infamous 2009 green movement. People frustrated at inflation, reduced purchasing power, and the fact that Rouhani's new budget had a 40% increase in defense spending. Just a dew days ago, the police in Tehran said they will no longer arrest women who won't adhere to the "Islamic hijab standards", but rather ave them attend a course by the POlice. Seen a few videos of girls taking their hijab off during the protests.

Some of the chants (translated from Farsi):

"Death to Dictator"

"Reza Shah, may god bless your soul"

"We made a revolution, it was a big mistake"

"Death to Rouhani, Death to Isl. Republic"

In other news, former president, Ahmadinejad has launched a full on attack on the judiciary system and the supreme leader and has given them ultimatum or else he'd "reveal some secrets".
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So to the ones who know American history and economics, has there ever been times where the economy was bad under Democrats? From what I've seen, they've always managed to be seen as being better for the economy (I can see that with the Clinton years). But if they were really were, wouldn't the poorest cities that they control without opposition be faring better for the poor?

It's been a while since I've studied economics so I came off a little naive.
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(01-01-2018 07:42 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  So to the ones who know American history and economics, has there ever been times where the economy was bad under Democrats? From what I've seen, they've always managed to be seen as being better for the economy (I can see that with the Clinton years). But if they were really were, wouldn't the poorest cities that they control without opposition be faring better for the poor?

It's been a while since I've studied economics so I came off a little naive.

How about the entire Obama presidency? FDR is also a big one. We had a decade of a shit economy under him and his saving grace was ironically WW2.

The US never fully recovered from the Great Depression under FDR and if anything he prolonged it with his policies. It was the US entering WW2 and then our country being the only power left with an intact industry base after that war that recovered the US economy.
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Has this ever happened before?

The state of Oregon removed two children from their parents, because the parents had low IQs. (It's ironic that it was the highly liberal state of Oregon doing this to a White couple, because the average IQs of Blacks and Latinos are lower than those of Whites. So all serious statewide attempts to enforce this policy will absolutely affect Blacks and Latinos much more, maybe double or triple the rate.)

Link is here.

The Blaze Wrote:An Oregon family whose children were removed from their home earlier this year due to their “limited cognitive abilities” have received some good news this holiday season: the State of Oregon has returned one of their two children to their home.

As TheBlaze reported in August, the State of Oregon alleges that Amy Fabbrini and Eric Ziegler suffer from cognitive impairment that makes them unfit to care for their two children. In an interview with Glenn Beck, Fabbrini stated that her son Christopher was taken into state custody nearly four years ago, and her son Hunter was taken from her just two days after he was born.
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Muslim running for President of Russia against Putin:

https://www.rt.com/news/414776-muslim-wo...ns-russia/

She has no chance of winning --- yet ---give it 2 decades when they have majority then it's RIP all that Slavic Russian beauty.
01-02-2018 01:00 AM
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(01-01-2018 11:39 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Has this ever happened before?

The state of Oregon removed two children from their parents, because the parents had low IQs. (It's ironic that it was the highly liberal state of Oregon doing this to a White couple, because the average IQs of Blacks and Latinos are lower than those of Whites. So all serious statewide attempts to enforce this policy will absolutely affect Blacks and Latinos much more, maybe double or triple the rate.)

Link is here.

The Blaze Wrote:An Oregon family whose children were removed from their home earlier this year due to their “limited cognitive abilities” have received some good news this holiday season: the State of Oregon has returned one of their two children to their home.

As TheBlaze reported in August, the State of Oregon alleges that Amy Fabbrini and Eric Ziegler suffer from cognitive impairment that makes them unfit to care for their two children. In an interview with Glenn Beck, Fabbrini stated that her son Christopher was taken into state custody nearly four years ago, and her son Hunter was taken from her just two days after he was born.

Just a theory. Oregon has very few people from Latin america and even fewer african americans. Removing children from dumb white rural families would likely be beneficial to the left. (In that state)
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(01-01-2018 07:42 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  So to the ones who know American history and economics, has there ever been times where the economy was bad under Democrats? From what I've seen, they've always managed to be seen as being better for the economy (I can see that with the Clinton years). But if they were really were, wouldn't the poorest cities that they control without opposition be faring better for the poor?

It's been a while since I've studied economics so I came off a little naive.

Democrats barely were in control between the Civil War and the great depression so there isnt much to go on there.

The economy was very shitty during part of the Johnson years and inflation killed America during Carter. Oil was actually rationed in 70s. People used only be able to go to the pump on certain days.
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