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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
I'd like to bump this thread and ask for an update for guys still taking Clomid since it appears to be about about a year or more for some.

Are you still feeling great compared to when you started?

Any side effects?

Has it helped body composition?

Just doing some research for the future.

Thanks.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
I'm completely off of it now due to eye floaters.

Depending on how you react to it your test could shoot up a lot like mine. But I noticed that my estrogen also shot up pretty quickly, and I developed an eye floater.

If you're looking for more test for body composition/male enhancement, then I would suggest going with test cyp + hcg. I'd only advise a guy using clomid if they're having fertility issues (it works amazingly for that) or for PCT.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
I'm on it now. Have another prescription for a month then hopefully i'll get off it. I'm hoping to convince my doc that the clomid isn't working, as I'd like to get injections. My T levels did shoot up, but I think I have high e2 as well. Still having a hard time losing weight in my midsection, and I'm attributing it to the clomid/high e2 combo. I take 25mg EOD and its compounded with arimidex.

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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
The real question is WHY you would use clomid rather than test, for raising testosterone.

Clomid has some shitty sides. Test really doesn't if you keep the dose moderate and dial in your AI.

It seems like people are just scared of the needle.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
(05-12-2017 10:22 AM)Steelex Wrote:  The real question is WHY you would use clomid rather than test, for raising testosterone.

Clomid has some shitty sides. Test really doesn't if you keep the dose moderate and dial in your AI.

It seems like people are just scared of the needle.

Agreed. I still don't get it.

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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
I'd say the point is to maintain fertility and keep the natural T going before making a life-long commitment. Clomid gets a bad rap, but there are plenty of guys out there that seem to be running low doses and doing fine.

Here's a great thread by Dr. Saya on the matter.

https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php...ally-exist

Clomid initially is also a good diagnostic test for primary vs. secondary hypogonadism.

I have nothing against injections, I just don't see the harm in a guy trying clomid for about 6 weeks to see if kicks his T production back into gear.

Also in my experience Testosterone levels are incredibly variable based on several lifestyle factors. I've tested from 750+ down to the 300s all depending on different factors such as excessive overtraining, stress, diet, and lack of sleep.

Guys should really focus on everything they can control before taking any exogenous substances in my opinion.
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Quote:It seems like people are just scared of the needle.

No, I think it's the lifelong commitment to injections that puts people off.

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(05-20-2017 01:13 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  
Quote:It seems like people are just scared of the needle.

No, I think it's the lifelong commitment to injections that puts people off.

Using an insulin syringe ("slin pin") barely hurts. I use one syringe full of 100mg cyp and one syringe full of 500iu hcg. Takes two minutes, no pain, no blood, easy peasy.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
Do you still have the floaters Rachacha? The possibility of early cataracts and floaters put me off this option so far.
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(07-14-2017 11:58 AM)kbell Wrote:  Do you still have the floaters Rachacha? The possibility of early cataracts and floaters put me off this option so far.

Yeah, I still have the one eye floater in my right eye. I only notice it when I'm looking at the computer screen.

I've switched to test cyp + hcg and will never look back. I'll give a more detailed review once I get back my blood work.

You referenced your blood work in another post. You're good enough not to go on TRT right now.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
I have two things to add here. If it has been mentioned before, Please apologize.

Timing: Do you draw the T-labs in morning? There are huge fluctuations in blood levels depending upon day. Morning T is the most consistent and reliable measure. Draw it as soon as possible in morning. Go to lab when it opens.

Sex: Abstaining from ejaculation for a few cays, may raise the T-levels somewhat at the test. The only reason I am mentioning this is again that you would prefer the effects to be as free of confounding effects as possible. It may be the most practical to stay away from Ejac.. 2-3 days before you draw the T-levels when done over consistent basis.

Testosterone replacement is not unlike body-building in a sense that details matter for the overall outcome.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
My doc takes blood after fasting.

I have been on clomid for a week. First day it game me a tremendous boost, but slowly I am back to normal and it doesn't seem to have much effect. I go back for follow up blood work in 7 weeks and will report.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
(08-07-2017 12:42 PM)DrSher Wrote:  Sex: Abstaining from ejaculation for a few cays, may raise the T-levels somewhat at the test. The only reason I am mentioning this is again that you would prefer the effects to be as free of confounding effects as possible. It may be the most practical to stay away from Ejac.. 2-3 days before you draw the T-levels when done over consistent basis.

Even as the NoFap priest on this forum, I'm cautious of the effects of jacking off on testosterone levels.

Either way - the best protocol would be to best under the exact same conditions. EXACT

Diet, exercise, sleep, sex, coffee, jerking off, petting your dog, etc.

Do the EXACT same thing if you want true test equivalents

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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
(08-07-2017 09:44 PM)redbeard Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 12:42 PM)DrSher Wrote:  Sex: Abstaining from ejaculation for a few cays, may raise the T-levels somewhat at the test. The only reason I am mentioning this is again that you would prefer the effects to be as free of confounding effects as possible. It may be the most practical to stay away from Ejac.. 2-3 days before you draw the T-levels when done over consistent basis.

Even as the NoFap priest on this forum, I'm cautious of the effects of jacking off on testosterone levels.

Either way - the best protocol would be to best under the exact same conditions. EXACT

Diet, exercise, sleep, sex, coffee, jerking off, petting your dog, etc.

Do the EXACT same thing if you want true test equivalents

Yes, if you do the same things with consistency, it will lead to the least confounding effects. At same time, if you always do this some days before you are doing tests, the numbers will remain as true as they can be from test to test.

More important than most things would be to take the test early in morning and stay alert while maintaining consistency in routines in-between tests. OTOH, if you take Testosterone only, it would likely have little to no effect as the Pituitary axis to Testes is already shut down.

Hormone therapy for wellness optimization/age management is still an emerging field where much remains to be discovered.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
Just got my bloodwork done, will update with results when I get them. Been off clomid for a month. Had alot of water weight gain, mostly due to high e2. Was on an AI but that didn't help much. Feeling back like my normal self (like crap). Hopefully the doc gets me on TRT (injections) within the next week. If anyone's on the fence, I wouldn't recommend clomid.

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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
So clomid 25mg every day has my total T to 1200!, but I don't feel much better because my estradiol and SBHG are off the charts high. I was feeling super fatigued in the evenings so just stopped taking the Clomid. Also, I started supplementing with zinc and that has helped a bit, prob need more zinc.

Now, i'm late 40s and I may have some health issues unique to me so be cautious in extapolating my results.

Interestingly, as soon as I started taking the zinc I got a date with a 27 year old who resembles my favorite supermodel of the 80s.

In any event I have an appt with Defy Medical scheduled in 2 weeks.
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(09-13-2017 05:33 AM)Hypno Wrote:  So clomid 25mg every day has my total T to 1200!, but I don't feel much better because my estradiol and SBHG are off the charts high. I was feeling super fatigued in the evenings so just stopped taking the Clomid. Also, I started supplementing with zinc and that has helped a bit, prob need more zinc.

Now, i'm late 40s and I may have some health issues unique to me so be cautious in extapolating my results.

Interestingly, as soon as I started taking the zinc I got a date with a 27 year old who resembles my favorite supermodel of the 80s.

In any event I have an appt with Defy Medical scheduled in 2 weeks.

All my latest research (Scientific and Anecdotal) over the last 3 months has proven that Toremifene is the best SERM for everyday or every other day use.
It increases Bone Mineral Density, does not effect the Ocular area whatsoever, no impact on your emotions and basically does everything Clomid + Nolvadex can do benefits-wise, without any sides to deal with.

Also, have been working very closely with a published Scientist with 20+ years in Scientific Academia and he is also a Powerlifter.
His current work on Toremifene is ground breaking and is proving that it is the only SERM that actually prevents suppression on-cycle.

I have been guinea pigging with very high doses of Anavar (50mg per day) combined with high doses of Toremifene (60mg per day) and sure enough 6 weeks into cycle, my Total + Free Testosterone is higher than when I started.

The implications of this are going to be dramatically beneficial to all of us - you heard it here first.

If you are interested in more information on Toremifene, shoot me a PM.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
Shit I wish I had heard of this like 2 weeks ago before I bought Nolvadex. Is it generally much harder to acquire than Nolvadex or Clomid since its less common ??
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(09-13-2017 12:18 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  Shit I wish I had heard of this like 2 weeks ago before I bought Nolvadex. Is it generally much harder to acquire than Nolvadex or Clomid since its less common ??

Toremifene is harder to acquire locally from your average meathead pusher but very easy to purchase for "Research Purposes."
PM me and I can help you out.

Also, for any guys having trouble with their chest area.
Forget the days of feeling like death on Letrozole or near-death on Arimidex.

Raloxifene has massive affinity for binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue.

Although Raloxifene is an extremely weak SERM, in high doses it will absolutely destroy even the oldest most stubborn estrogenic fat deposits (AKA gynecomastia/bitch tits)

If you are a naturally estrogenic person with declining levels of Testosterone, Toremifene plus Raloxifene combination will literally transform you into feeling like a completely different human being.

The simple combination of Anavar + Toremifene I am running has veins exploding out of my quads, abs and lats - this is without TRT.

Because on Toremifene exogenous Testosterone is not necessary, your Testicles do not become suppressed and you continue to naturally produce even while on-cycle.

It is cutting edge shit.
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(09-13-2017 04:56 PM)ScrapperTL Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 12:18 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  Shit I wish I had heard of this like 2 weeks ago before I bought Nolvadex. Is it generally much harder to acquire than Nolvadex or Clomid since its less common ??

Toremifene is harder to acquire locally from your average meathead pusher but very easy to purchase for "Research Purposes."
PM me and I can help you out.

Also, for any guys having trouble with their chest area.
Forget the days of feeling like death on Letrozole or near-death on Arimidex.

Raloxifene has massive affinity for binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue.

Although Raloxifene is an extremely weak SERM, in high doses it will absolutely destroy even the oldest most stubborn estrogenic fat deposits (AKA gynecomastia/bitch tits)

If you are a naturally estrogenic person with declining levels of Testosterone, Toremifene plus Raloxifene combination will literally transform you into feeling like a completely different human being.

The simple combination of Anavar + Toremifene I am running has veins exploding out of my quads, abs and lats - this is without TRT.

Because on Toremifene exogenous Testosterone is not necessary, your Testicles do not become suppressed and you continue to naturally produce even while on-cycle.

It is cutting edge shit.

I may have to check into Toremifene ...I going to send you a PM .
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
So you would use Toremifene instead of Clomid?

Clomid is working for me but its counteracted by higher SBHG and Estradiol. Does Toremefine overcome these drawbacks? Do you take it by itself?
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(09-15-2017 06:27 AM)Hypno Wrote:  So you would use Toremifene instead of Clomid?

Clomid is working for me but its counteracted by higher SBHG and Estradiol. Does Toremefine overcome these drawbacks? Do you take it by itself?

Estradiol is not the demon people think it is, when you have a SERM in your system.
a SERM is a benign Estrogen that occupys the Estrogen Receptor, not allowing Estradiol to make home there.
Therefore, while a SERM is in your system Estradiol is having no physiological effect on you.
Mentally, you may "feel" very estrogenic, as Clomid is commonly known to cause a psychological feminine like state in some males.

If abnormally high levels of SHBG is your problem, you will want to play around with small doses of Exemestane (Aromasin) every other day.
Exemestane will safely lower your SHBG levels without crashing your Estrogen so low that you feel like death as long as you keep the dosage low.
My recommendation for people with naturally high SHBG is 6mg of Exemestane (Aromasin) EOD (every other day).
Exemestane is a Suicide Inhibitor of Estrogen not an Aromatase Inhibitor. The SI family is great for Lowering SHBG and not destroying Estrogen, SI's keep them "in check."

Aromatase Inhibitor like Letrozole and Arimidex absolutely crush Estrogen.
Some men are lucky and can handle Arimidex.
Though a majority of men do not have the mental fortitude to handle long cycles of Letrozole.
Past 14 days Letrozole makes me literally feel like I am dying.

The future of male endocrine enhancement and optimization is a mandatory daily dose of SERM for healthy functioning testicles (Toremifene 15mg a day off cycle, 60mg a day on cycle)
Optional: Exemestane if SHBG levels are too high (6mg every other day)
Optional: Raloxifene if you naturally hold fat deposits in your Chest area (whether it is Gynecomastia or just shitty genetics)


If you can afford it Toremifene + Raloxifene daily would be ideal.
The reason is that Toremifene is great at positively effecting Bone Mineral Density.
Enough to prevent bone loss from normal aging.
Raloxifene is even better than Toremifene at supporting our Skeletal structure, strengthening bones similar to Human Growth Hormone.

With these two compounds (Toremifene and Raloxifene) you have erased the need for costly HCG or HGH completely and no longer have to deal with daily IM or SubQ Injections.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
ScrapperTL - With respect to estradiol in the blood - I am over 40 - I am having my estradiol level tested along with my T levels. Is there a test that can be done to measure the level of estrogen that is not bound up by SERM in the system? Is it worth going that route. I am carrying folds of tissue in the chest area now despite lifting heavy and exercising a lot. Nothing seems to change its composition.

On a side note, I have been taking herbal tinctures, including pine pollen, Eleuthero, Siberian Ginsing, Tienchi Ginsing, Tribulus, and nettle root as part of the Buhner testosterone protocol for about 7 months. It helps with getting bigger boners but I dont think its done anything else? Do you have any thoughts on that type of protocol?

Great posts by the way -
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
(09-15-2017 09:20 AM)Jim Kirk Wrote:  ScrapperTL - With respect to estradiol in the blood - I am over 40 - I am having my estradiol level tested along with my T levels. Is there a test that can be done to measure the level of estrogen that is not bound up by SERM in the system? Is it worth going that route. I am carrying folds of tissue in the chest area now despite lifting heavy and exercising a lot. Nothing seems to change its composition.

On a side note, I have been taking herbal tinctures, including pine pollen, Eleuthero, Siberian Ginsing, Tienchi Ginsing, Tribulus, and nettle root as part of the Buhner testosterone protocol for about 7 months. It helps with getting bigger boners but I dont think its done anything else? Do you have any thoughts on that type of protocol?

Great posts by the way -

J.K., to heal a case of Gynecomastia from either steroid abuse or over-estrogenic activity during puberty, Raloxifene is your absolute best bet.
Do not let any physician steer you towards Letrozole, Arimidex or the Knife.
Raloxifene is a terrible SERM but it has a laser guided missile focus on binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissues.
Raloxifene will occupy those breast tissue estrogen receptors, not allowing any Estrogen in the blood to make home there.

Additional benefits: Raloxifene will positively impact your bone mineral density nearly as well as low doses of HGH does, without having to deal with the daily IM or SubQ Injections.

For an interesting anecdotal case study, read here:
Anecdotal case study on Raloxifene kicking Gynecomastia's butt

You'll notice that in the case study above he only took 120mg Raloxifene per day, I recommend you go slightly higher if you can afford it.
Try 150mg per day until the appearance of your chest begins to look sharply masculine and then drop down to a more affordable maintenance dose like 50mg per day.
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
One thing not mentioned on this thread or that I perhaps overlooked is with Clomid your estrogen increases. So you can start to think and feel like a chick. My levels are all screwed up now but if you go this route its something to be alert for.
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