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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
(09-01-2019 07:50 AM)revenge Wrote:  easy man no harsh feelings dont get offended please ı was just trying to put out you should not focus on lowering shbg with supplements shbg is produced in liver excess fructose fatty liver obesity high bmı lowers shbg to unhealthy levels also as a natty you cant lower your shbg without lowering your total testosterone unless you re taking letro aromasin.Higher shbg levels are positively correlated with bioavaliable testosterone if shbg and total testosterone high at the same time. SHBG inflates total testosterone you cant have low shbg and high total testosterone without injecting testosterone. Are you overweight or eating tons of meat, fruits are less insulinogenic than starches. Insulin glucose problems caused by being overweight and eating high carb high fat food at same time basically combining them causing blood sugar issues.Eat low fat diet get down to 12%body fat you wont have these issues.To lose weight lower the caloric density of your diet, reduce dietary fat down to 15% eat low fat high fiber legumes low sugar fruit and some nuts seeds.If you dont believe me on shbg insulin bmi equation ı can add in people's experience on ketogenic low insulin diet they report extremely elevated shbg levels in their bloodtest but ı think you will understand this as you re a smart one Big Grin

Don't worry not offended.

I am also not interested in lowering SHBG without taking aromasin or letro at all, because I don't have high SHBG, never had. I also don't have low T (free or total).

I am only interested in lowering SHBG and boosting LH to get supraphysiological free T by taking AI only or AI plus boron, maxing out endogeneous production. To be able to break plateaus in LBM or for later when my freeT will start to go down due to aging.
09-01-2019 08:16 AM
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Honest question.

Will injecting testosterone make your penis bigger?

Genuine curiosity.
09-01-2019 11:12 PM
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(09-01-2019 11:12 PM)perros Wrote:  Honest question.

Will injecting testosterone make your penis bigger?

Genuine curiosity.

Only if you inject the entire vial directly in the vein on it. But don't let that hold you back, try it!
09-02-2019 01:35 PM
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
My experiences with aromatase inhibitors showed that letrozole and aromasin are very powerful exemestane made me feel bad even at 6.25 twice a week 3mg 2x a week seems enough for most of the time.
Overall if someone wants to increase his testosterone here are the most legit steps to take
Eating plant based diet with little amount of beef liver eggs red meat eating lots of fruit vegetables nuts seed legumes
Vitamin D3 around 8000iu
Maintaning low BF 12-15% is good range
Not eating any processed fats and sugar fats and sugar must come from olives avocados nuts seeds sugar from fruits and other plant foods
Eating caloric surplus
Anything other than what ı listed are mostly cope these steps will reach your genetic limit if you arent satisfied then comes SERMS HCG AROMASİN ARİMİDEX or TRT.
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09-06-2019 03:27 AM
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i read its better to take between 0.5mg-2mg daily of aromasin rather than eod day or twice a week now nbody seems to answer me on other forums how the fuck can i split dosags up im using real aromasin i wont use reserch chemical so i have pills can i dissolve them in vodka i know this works with arimidex but not sure with aromasin does anybody have any answers thanks
09-08-2019 05:34 AM
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divide half of the pill into three its doable and take one piece from it it will be 4mg do it E3D or eod.
09-08-2019 04:51 PM
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(09-08-2019 04:51 PM)revenge Wrote:  taken from
divide half of the pill into three its doable and take one piece from it it will be 4mg do it E3D or eod.

the whole point is to take it daily but no more than 0.5mg_2mg

1)25mg or even 5mg is way too much for most men.
2)Whether you are on TRT or not, you will get the best and most stable results if you dose daily.
3)0.5mg-2.5mg/day is perfect for most men. Better to start at a low dose.
4)DO NOT OVERSHOOT. Depending on your genetics, it can take weeks to recover your aromatase levels, especially if you are low for a long time. But if you do, don't panic, it will come back.
09-09-2019 12:58 AM
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no asin is completely ok to take eod e3d as a natty the key is to start low 3-5 mg e3d or eod it is suicidal ai half life doesnt matter it kills aromatase please dont be bothered with asin's short half life.
09-10-2019 05:58 AM
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RE: Clomid for Testosterone
As an anastrozole overresponder, I too am trying for the ideal dose of exemestane. And even though I'm on 250UI HCG monday and wednesday, so far any dose seems like an overshoot. 6.25mg twice a week sent my E2 to undetectable levels.
I've had the best, if not ideal results from a single ~4mg dose every monday. Lately I've been feeling good, but I've done no labs since establishing this dose, It'll take about two months for the next return to the doc.

On 500UI twice a week, without an AI/SI, my labs were - Total T: 1367,0 ng/dL - E2: 108,6 pg/mL.
I use HCG because aside from eye floaters, Torem might give u cataract, and I can't play with that. Plus I have nowhere to source it from.

Also, I'm 29 and I've been shedding hair on HCG like never before, it's getting really thin. Any 5α-reductase inhibitor like finasteride (mind post-finasteride syndrome) or saw palmetto kills my libido. A more conservative approach using transdermal Progesterone (~2mg ED) plus oral two spoons of coconut oil (also ED) seems to help a little on that regard, but might be placebo.
09-11-2019 01:06 AM
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are you on hcg mono? it is nearly impossible to crash your e2 with extra testicular aromatisation from hcg if it is trt+hcg lower your dosages to maintain good e2 levels without ai.1300ng too high stay around 800-1000ng
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How long have you been on hcg? As far as I know in long term It is really bad for LH. Will lowered it.
On the other hand how are the body results of being in this T levels? Is really different muscle response?
09-12-2019 09:41 AM
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(09-08-2019 05:34 AM)camy9000 Wrote:  i read its better to take between 0.5mg-2mg daily of aromasin rather than eod day or twice a week now nbody seems to answer me on other forums how the fuck can i split dosags up im using real aromasin i wont use reserch chemical so i have pills can i dissolve them in vodka i know this works with arimidex but not sure with aromasin does anybody have any answers thanks

You can dissolve them in vodka.

There are also trustworthy research chem providers out there. You'll have to do blood tests, so you'll immediately see if a product is legit or bunk.
09-12-2019 10:49 AM
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(09-11-2019 01:06 AM)EddyStarkFit Wrote:  As an anastrozole overresponder, I too am trying for the ideal dose of exemestane. And even though I'm on 250UI HCG monday and wednesday, so far any dose seems like an overshoot. 6.25mg twice a week sent my E2 to undetectable levels.
I've had the best, if not ideal results from a single ~4mg dose every monday. Lately I've been feeling good, but I've done no labs since establishing this dose, It'll take about two months for the next return to the doc.

On 500UI twice a week, without an AI/SI, my labs were - Total T: 1367,0 ng/dL - E2: 108,6 pg/mL.
I use HCG because aside from eye floaters, Torem might give u cataract, and I can't play with that. Plus I have nowhere to source it from.

Also, I'm 29 and I've been shedding hair on HCG like never before, it's getting really thin. Any 5α-reductase inhibitor like finasteride (mind post-finasteride syndrome) or saw palmetto kills my libido. A more conservative approach using transdermal Progesterone (~2mg ED) plus oral two spoons of coconut oil (also ED) seems to help a little on that regard, but might be placebo.

Note that with high free T (or even normal free T) finasteride doesn't kill the libido in test subjects. Lowering DHT only does this if you're test levels are declining.

I don't see your free T numbers, but with your total T it should be at least normal even with high SHBG.

Also you can have either finasteride or dutasteride compounded in a topical solution and apply it to the hair.
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Why do you say “Clomid does desensitize your leydig cells to a degree”.

Just curious how this works: is it by increasing LH so high? Or through some other mechanism like estrogen activity in the testie?

Why is Torem and Nolva different in regards to leydig?

Please link me to any studies you may know about.
09-14-2019 11:28 AM
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(09-14-2019 11:28 AM)Sblazer Wrote:  Why do you say “Clomid does desensitize your leydig cells to a degree”.

Just curious how this works: is it by increasing LH so high? Or through some other mechanism like estrogen activity in the testie?

Why is Torem and Nolva different in regards to leydig?

Please link me to any studies you may know about.

hi how is your clomid journey and your numbers are you still on clomid and how do you feel?Also hcg desensitize leydig cells in high dosages ı think it is about hyperstimulation downregulating cells, the same can be apply for SERMS.
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(09-14-2019 11:28 AM)Sblazer Wrote:  Why do you say “Clomid does desensitize your leydig cells to a degree”.

Just curious how this works: is it by increasing LH so high? Or through some other mechanism like estrogen activity in the testie?

Why is Torem and Nolva different in regards to leydig?

Please link me to any studies you may know about.

This is the study you are looking for:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052

I strongly remember to have read that torem is the same as nolva (tamoxifen) in this regard (but don't find the study right now).

I also remember to have seen Dr Rand discuss this in one of the youtube videos on JayCutlerTv, and said that (forgot the guy's name) the number one authority on the clinical use of HCG, the doc that wrote the book on fertility says it's a myth that HCG use desensitizes the leydig cells. If you put in rand macclain and hcg in youtube you'll find it sooner or later...
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(09-15-2019 04:20 AM)kassad Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 11:28 AM)Sblazer Wrote:  Why do you say “Clomid does desensitize your leydig cells to a degree”.

Just curious how this works: is it by increasing LH so high? Or through some other mechanism like estrogen activity in the testie?

Why is Torem and Nolva different in regards to leydig?

Please link me to any studies you may know about.

This is the study you are looking for:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052

I strongly remember to have read that torem is the same as nolva (tamoxifen) in this regard (but don't find the study right now).

I also remember to have seen Dr Rand discuss this in one of the youtube videos on JayCutlerTv, and said that (forgot the guy's name) the number one authority on the clinical use of HCG, the doc that wrote the book on fertility says it's a myth that HCG use desensitizes the leydig cells. If you put in rand macclain and hcg in youtube you'll find it sooner or later...

The study for Clomid says "Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH)".

From what I understand LHRH (luteinizing Hormone Release Hormone) is secreted from the Hypothalamus, which then stimulates the pituitary to release LH. Hence the name LH Release hormone.
What I gather from this, is that you are desensitizing your pituitary from LHRH.
It says anything about Leydig cells in the testis.

Also from what I understand about HCG is that it is an LH analog, meaning its extremely similar in chemical structure to LH.
Some very knowledgable people say there is no difference in the way HCG and LH work on your Leydig cells.
That brings me to my next point: from everything I've read, it is high LH that is desensitizing the testis.
If you were to tell me Clomid is so effective and boosting LH that it desensitizes Leydig cells in the testis, that might make sense.

As far as the interview on JayCutlerTV about HCG and the myth of desensitization, I would take that with a grain of salt. It goes straight against medical research.

One interesting thing about Leydig desensitization is the actual mechanism that takes place. Scientists know its from high LH/HCG but they don't seem to know anything after that.
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