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Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
Part of me suspects that existentialism and the views of Nietzsche and the like are the main 'philosophy' behind various degeneracies today:

From the 'loud and proud' gays and transgenders; the social justice movement, the various loser 'subcultures' whether HS 'goth' or 'emo' cliques or the "S&M or alternative sex lifestyles", or simply nihilistic millennials loudly broadcasting selfies or what they had for dinner on FB or Twitter under the illusion that anyone cares.

At the root of all of this seems to be a loser existentialist mindset, where "life is meaningless", people should just do "whatever they want" because they feel like it, and loudly broadcasting your "individuality" to the entire world is the only "purpose their is".

As for the legacy of men who gave us everything we take for granted, from the American Founders, to the WWII generation - screw them, you only live once so just 'be whoever you want to be'.

Take some stupid "FB" personality test, some internet "IQ" or "psychology test", or some "what Final Fantasy character are you test" and loudly proclaim it to your internet friends just to give yourself the illusion of 'individuality' - when in reality you're actually just conforming to exactly what all of your millennial FB buddies or your loser HS social circle also do.

As far as what has brought it on, I can't say for certain; but I strongly believe modern consumerism has played the biggest influences by inundating us with frivolous pleasures, whether food, drinks, vacations, or false Enlightenment inspired promises of looking to "science" or "techology" to save us and give us the answer as to why we're secretly miserable in spite of our excess.

Many today would rather spend $50 on a new Xbox game or hairstyle than $3 on a used self-help book, and spend more time planning what to wear in their selfie than they do in their marriage, careers, or entire lives.

And this isn't the perspective of some grumpy old man, as a millennial myself I'm digusted by the nihilistic sentiments I see of millenials and older baby boomers, not to mention the nihilism spoon fed by the modern media.

I'm sure this isn't something exclusive to the modern world, but I believe in many ways today it is worse than in past eras; namely thanks to the consumer economy and media industries that followed WWII which have no historical precedent on such a great scale.

With no purpose in life either than to satiatiate our lusts or find someone to blame for why our lives are so utterly shitty (something which has been turned into an industry in itself due to modern 'angry' politics and 'social justice'), we take for granted pleasures foreign to most people on the planet looking to external things to save of from our misery; becoming a slave to them in the process.

Whether a new car or gadget, the idea that 'science' will eventually let us live forever, or the illusion of a "happily ever after" Disney-manufactured relationship.

And in spite of having all of the world's knowlede available at our fingertips thanks to the internet, you'll find more people using it to watch cat videos on YT or play Farmville than you will people learning about history, self-development, and philosophy.

I suppose I used to be willingly naive and assume that it was only the people I'd grown up around who were like this, whether parents, classmates, or relatives; but now that I begin to see that this IS the norm for many people, with even older generations who I used to admire succumbing to this; I'm left with an empty feeling of nihilism and a desire to simply withdraw from society as much as possible, living a contemplative life of philosophy and occasional moderated pleasure as Aristotle prescribed for a happy life.

Things that many people view as biological or cultural imperatives; such as marriage, kids, or busting one's butt to "get ahead" in a job they hate just to afford things they don't need, now seem mere afterthoughts rather than "no brainers"; a life of philosophy, purpose, and studying and preserving timeless wisdom being lost in a generation of Iphones and selifes is far more desirable.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
I'm on my mobile, so I can't cut and paste as smoothly so I want to.

But your question has been covered in a topic entitled "Why Are Active Atheism And SJW So Strongly Correlated?"

You'll find it by searching "active atheism", titles only.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
(04-28-2016 11:23 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  I'm on my mobile, so I can't cut and paste as smoothly so I want to.

But your question has been covered in a topic entitled "Why Are Active Atheism And SJW So Strongly Correlated?"

You'll find it by searching "active atheism", titles only.
Thanks for that.

I think it's a little apples to oranges, but their may be some crossover.

I mentioned this in the atheism thread, but most of the aggressive New Atheism of today (ex. Dawkins) is affiliated with Secular Humanism, who's biggest influences were the post-French Revolution philosopher Auguste Comte (who coined the term "altruism" and came of with a philosophy of "science as dogma") and John Stuart Mill, who is essentially the founding father of modern progressivism/utilitarianism.

The pure "Niezschean atheism" IMO has less in common with Humanism and more in common with vanilla Hedonism or LeVayan Satanism. So I think there's a slight difference.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
The Lizard of Oz's comment about "distance from the realization that life is meaningless" rings true for me.

White women (who hate knowing that life is meaningless) use brown and black people as weapons against all white men (who know that life is meaningless, but dare to create meaning anyway).
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
(04-28-2016 11:59 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  The Lizard of Oz's comment about "distance from the realization that life is meaningless" rings true for me.

White women (who hate knowing that life is meaningless) use brown and black people as weapons against all white men (who know that life is meaningless, but dare to create meaning anyway).
Me I don't believe that it is meaningless, in fact I think that philosophy and formal laws such as mathematics and aesthetics hold the key to objective meaning, but I won't get into that.

The one thing that bothers me about the whole notion is that I'm not aware of any great or accomplished man, such as the American founders, or entrepreneurs like Warren Buffet who believed "life was meaningless".

I definitely think that if everyone believed that we would just venture further down the road of 'social justice' and 'blaming patriarchy/whitey/etc', and filling the void with video games and free internet porn.

I think if one truly comes to the belief that life is meaningless one won't have any motivation in life other than to fulfill one's most basic animal urges, and that his is what has brought on the entitlement culture we have today.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
^Yes.

But if you believe life is meaningless, you'll feel jealousy and hatred towards those who love and are successful.

You won't be able to smile and say, "hey, girl" - and if you do, you'll come across as creepy. And you'll want to show all the men do successfully said that his meaningless their relationships and feelings of love are.

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This sense of meaninglessness has helped my game. Every time I'm about to hit on a girl, I tell myself, "Relax. Do your best. And remember that she only wants to feel something."
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
(04-28-2016 12:24 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  ^Yes.

But if you believe life is meaningless, you'll feel jealousy and hatred towards those who love and are successful.

You won't be able to smile and say, "hey, girl" - and if you do, you'll come across as creepy. And you'll want to show all the men do successfully said that his meaningless their relationships and feelings of love are.

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This sense of meaninglessness has helped my game. Every time I'm about to hit on a girl, I tell myself, "Relax. Do your best. And remember that she only wants to feel something."
My nihilsitic feelings are less that "life is objectively meaningless", but more along the lines of most people have no meaning in their lives, and those who do are the minority.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
The beautiful and the true were still the main focal points of the proto-existentialists:
- Kierkegaard
- Dostoevsky
- Nietzsche
- Kafka
- Heidegger

But it's essentially value-neutral. If you are empty inside and you look to define the value of your own existence, you will probably come up smelling like a sewer. I'm not sure that's the fault of existentialism (it's grounded in classical Western philosophy).

Even Sartre and Camus, as fucked up as they were, produced some great work and insights. Perhaps their existential strands were the saving grace of their thought systems.

At any rate, they would be disgusted at the weakness of SJWs today. It's one thing to acknowledge degeneracy as something that was and is and will be, it's another thing to close your eyes and wish it to be normalcy.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
I think today's degeneracy is caused by the age of information. We just know too much compared to humans from before; this causes extreme confusion and distress, hence why the modern age is filled with more eccentricities than humans of hundreds of years ago.

At the end of the day, we're hairless apes and we just surrounded by too much data.
Hence why drug rates are fucking through the roof right now for millenials.

Drugs, SJWism, video games, movies, TV, are all forms of destructive escapism.

"Whoever acquires knowledge but does not practice it is as one who ploughs but does not sow."
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
I don't like the implication that "life is meaningless" automatically leads to degenerate behavior.
Cosmically it may be meaningless, but for an individual it holds high meaning. Food, sex, adventure, experiences, relationships, learning (insert passion here) etc, all give non cosmic significance to your life.

And I don't accept that being atheist makes you a degenerate at all.

Many a religious person is a degenerate, and many an atheist has lead an exemplary life full of values and personal meaning.

Not related. Creating a religion to give your life a sort of fake meaning, is just as valid as pursing art, mountain climbing, poosy chasing or whatever else you put in to fill the void.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
If everything lacks objective meaning, how come these postmodernists get so bent out of shape when I presume their gender? From their perspective I don't even really exist but they sure screech a lot.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?

Americans are dreamers too
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
(05-01-2016 05:56 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Creating a religion to give your life a sort of fake meaning, is just as valid as pursing art, mountain climbing, poosy chasing or whatever else you put in to fill the void.

This right here.

The meaning to life has always been a void to fill. It was religion for a long period of human history up until advancements in science, along with the industrial revolution, the economic change that occurred as a result (the main reason behind social change - for the races and sexes), throw in a couple World Wars, stretch out all those advancements in technology, and we're at the state the Western world is in.

Degeneracy has always been around, as human nature itself is subjected to deviant acts, mostly due to sexual actions (homosexuality, for example), as all modern degeneracy tends to be punishment of the body (BDSM, destructive drunks, drugs, anal sex, women going bald, men dressed as women). To become degenerate was to go against the gain, to rebel, to reject the norm. Whether this norm was societal conventions (ex: organized religion) or as I often see it, the rejection of the parents will, or, lately, the lack of will enacted upon the child.

A lack of discipline forms degeneracy, forms the ugliness we see in the excess fat, the excess consumption, that we see today. The problem occurs when degeneracy becomes too big - it becomes the norm.

A decline in our society's health: people as statistic, people's value coming from how much they purchase, that is, consume and submit to another's will - I will be referring back to this shortly. The decline in our society's health comes from the value of masculine values being eradicated in men - everyone is now a female. Think of what we commonly proclaim: the state has replaced the human male as the father figure of the household.

Submitting to someone's else's will can be healthy - when the interests of those submitting are fulfilled, when the conforming upholds values that fall in line with biology - a clockwork orange is man when the biology is made to conform and fall in line with his nature urges. The man, to create, dominate, the woman to consume and submit. Both must provide to the other, and the offspring as a result as an extension of the self, a validation of one's own purpose and existence.

Note: It is not enough to have a child, per se, for no one's life is given purpose solely because of a child. (In such a case, it may depend on how much one values the life they have been given themselves, the value of the life they have created, and just as importantly, how much they respect and value the life they created life with).

The balance of power has shifted since existentialism originated in the 19th century. The changes that have occurred since then are to blame for this degeneracy. Existentialism was just looking ahead to see the path that we were going down, "If (A) is true, then what does this mean for the meaning human life?"
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
Nietzsche is very anti-SJW and anti-degeneracy. In Zarathusthra, he has whole sections attacking SJWs and their "tyrant frenzy of impotency." He encourages having a strong body and relentless self-improvement. Also, he talks about good qualities to look for in a wife.

"Courageous, unconcerned, scornful, coercive. So wisdom wishes us; she is a woman, and ever loves only a warrior.
You tell me, 'Life is hard to bear.' But for what purpose should you have your pride in the morning and your resignation in the evening?"

Or one of my favourites, "You go to women, do NOT forget your whip."

Very anti-degeneracy and much a red-pill guy, though I suppose he could have been grossly misinterpreted.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
I would not have put "Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?" but rather Is the existentialist attitude responsible for today's degeneracy.

As most existentialist philosophies do not support being laxness rather the utter opposite, in particular in the existentialism is an humanism Sartre gives his philosophy and he could not emphasis more how every human being is responsible of his life.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
About the question from the topic: Yes, 100%.

I can't stand the exis at all, least of all Sartre and the Beauvoir.

You need the reasons?
* The Beauvoir used to work as a teacher at a girls' college. During that time, she "seduced" several minor girls there and also passed them on to Sartre. Later, she was sued by the family of Natalie Sorokine and had to leave the school. Another girl she had abused like that, Bianca Bienenfeld, later wrote a book about her abuse - didn't stop the Beauvoir, sadly.
* They continued to praise Stalin even after Khrushchev started destalinization in the Soviet Union. Yes, they attacked everyone to the right of Marx as a fascist and a nazi, but didn't mind kneeling before Stalin and sucking his dick.
* Sartre, the Beauvoir, Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida and other so-called intellectuals started a petition in France, to decriminalize all relations between adults and minors below 15. But still, they get praised as feminist heroes. And these are the same people who usually claim that any average father and husband was a fascist tyrant and a rapist.
* Finally, even the name "Beauvoir", let alone "de Beauvoir" is a lie. Her father was born as a plain Bertrand, but called himself "Bertrand de Beauvoir", later only "de Beauvoir" to make people think he was descended from nobility. That would be like Hillary calling herself "Hillary of Chicago" (if America had a nobility). He also told his daughters to use the same lie. Damn fraudster.

Even if you are 100% against nazis, you should consider: Sartre, the Beauvoir and other "intellectuals" totally failed to do anything against them. They spent some time ineffectively discussing about how to do resistance. Sartre even was happy about becoming prisoner of the wehrmacht, because he had lots of time to read Heidegger now. (From whom he copied many ideas.)

The irony is so delicious - Josephine Baker used her fame and influence to collaborate with the French resistance, despite the fact that she was the nazis' target for three reasons - black, bisexual, striptease dancer. The Beauvoir did nothing.

Who gets praised today as a feminist hero? It's disgusting, if you think for a moment about it.

Here's also a good article on AVFM:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/sim...isogynist/

Even if you like philosophy: There are so many better thinkers out there. The exis are just depressing. Avoid them.
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(08-20-2016 09:00 AM)philosophe Wrote:  I would not have put "Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?" but rather Is the existentialist attitude responsible for today's degeneracy.

As most existentialist philosophies do not support being laxness rather the utter opposite, in particular in the existentialism is an humanism Sartre gives his philosophy and he could not emphasis more how every human being is responsible of his life.
Yeah, the more I learn I think that Nietzsche would be ashamed if he saw how "pop existentialism" today has been dumbed down.

In fact from what I can tell if anything, Nietzsche's existentialism was more or less just the "red pill" philosophy in an earlier era. I think most of the "alpha vs beta", "nice guy vs bad boy" stuff is more or less a modern take on Nietzsche's ideas.

Though the over-emphasis on the individual is the key problem here.
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RE: Is existentialism responsible today's degeneracy?
(08-22-2016 03:37 PM)EDantes Wrote:  In fact from what I can tell if anything, Nietzsche's existentialism was more or less just the "red pill" philosophy in an earlier era. I think most of the "alpha vs beta", "nice guy vs bad boy" stuff is more or less a modern take on Nietzsche's ideas.

Though the over-emphasis on the individual is the key problem here.

I do not know about the "red pill" philosophy, yet philosophers are not here to be liked, complaisant or nice. Their job is to be lucid about life, objective as opposed to being sentimental.
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