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(12-01-2016 10:27 PM)Wayout Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 08:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  The only way I'd rate a country like this would be:

Are the fine bitches desperate enough that I can get laid with minimal effort?
Will they throw themselves at me in hopes that I'll get them a BigMac?

Exactly! And the answer is no! As to why...well that is a much longer discussion. But in a nutshell - they have not been poor for long and their mentality hasn't changed yet. Let's pretend we can make all Americans poor - would the fine bitches star throwing themselves at you right away? No! Also ,many good looking women left the country. You really gotta experience Venezuelan society to understand what is going on there! You have better chances in Colombia or Brazil .

Do you live there or have family there?

Some of the hot bitches have left, but there are still plenty left in the country.

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(10-31-2016 08:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  The only way I'd rate a country like this would be:

Are the fine bitches desperate enough that I can get laid with minimal effort?
Will they throw themselves at me in hopes that I'll get them a BigMac?

I wrote something few pages back.

(05-25-2016 10:55 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  There was a guy on b/ and gif/ on 4chan posting some stuff he was doing with a Venezuelan maid he had, she would suck his dick, get fucked, all for toilet paper and toothpaste, some anons started questioning if he really was in Venezuela and then he posted a pic of the maid next to a stash of Bolivares to prove he was in Venezuela, the maid was a middle aged woman married with kids that apparently the husband did not care too much as long as she was getting something of it.

I bring this up because is to show how the situation can make people do things they never thought would do, this is especially concerning to women, during war time and shit hit the fan situation like Venezuela you would see more and more women giving pussy and sucking dicks for food, sanitary towels or gallon of water.

We should send a few SJWs over there to show them how good socialism really is and how awesome is for women to suck dick for maxi pad.
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Venezuela is falling into a MadMax style country.

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Desperate Venezuelan fishermen slaughter one another and turn to piracy - while starving villagers are forced to eat soup made from seawater as country's economic collapse worsens

-Dozens of fisherman have been killed by pirates as the economic crisis deepens

-Once home to the world's fourth-largest tuna fleet, the country's fishing trade has now collapsed

-Punta de Araya families got through the summer by eating 'dog soup,' a broth made from seawater and the small fish that are usually thrown back

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...avels.html
12-11-2016 06:36 AM
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Quote:One of Venezuela's poorest states, Sucre had been a bastion of support for the socialist revolution launched by the late President Hugo Chavez. That support is waning since the government nationalized the region's largest fishing company, Pescalba, in 2010, with mostly disastrous results.

On a recent workday, more than half of the company's fleet bobbed uselessly at the dock, holes gaping where the ships' decks and sides had rusted open.

Many private companies have decamped to other countries because the government requires them to sell half of their catch for Venezuela's virtually worthless currency, the bolivar.

Wtf

That article really got to me, particularly the picture from the knees down of seven "men" on a morgue table with one pair of feet being particularly small and further up the table.

How the hell do you execute kids? I can't even imagine pointing a gun at the worst one I ever met!
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This lawlessness and collapse is worse than anything seen either during the US depression, various European depressions or even Soviet economic collapse.

What can never happen no matter what is an implosion of law and order. If that happens then you are left in a Taliban/war lord/Mad Max kind of world where the biggest armed group kills and survives or everything is just gang-wars fighting each other until there is nothing more left to fight over.
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It's funny how Turkish airlines is starting direct flights from Istanbul to Caracas in the midst of this mess.
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(12-11-2016 06:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This lawlessness and collapse is worse than anything seen either during the US depression, various European depressions or even Soviet economic collapse.

What can never happen no matter what is an implosion of law and order. If that happens then you are left in a Taliban/war lord/Mad Max kind of world where the biggest armed group kills and survives or everything is just gang-wars fighting each other until there is nothing more left to fight over.

Life has always been cheap in South America.

Europe, Russia and the US have a long standing tradition of government. In the absence of an authority they typically wait for a new one to arrive on the basis that any government is better than no government.

For whatever reason, South Americans seem prone to a "fuck everyone who isn't me" attitude. Coupled with excellent crop growing conditions in most areas there is absolutely a culture of laziness among them which is ironically fertile ground for the seeds of socialism to be planted.

What arrives now has arguably been inevitable for a long time. As the government fails to provide, laziness gives way to the "fuck everyone who isn't me" mentality and by next Tuesday you have the collapsing Aztec cannibal empire all over again.
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(12-11-2016 08:05 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  For whatever reason, South Americans seem prone to a "fuck everyone who isn't me" attitude. Coupled with excellent crop growing conditions in most areas there is absolutely a culture of laziness among them which is ironically fertile ground for the seeds of socialism to be planted.

What arrives now has arguably been inevitable for a long time. As the government fails to provide, laziness gives way to the "fuck everyone who isn't me" mentality and by next Tuesday you have the collapsing Aztec cannibal empire all over again.

I'd like to focus on this for a moment since it's been observed that the most resilient societies, such as the US, such as that of the West in general, seem to be those which have a high degree of trust.

Indeed that's the foundation of the rule of law: it rests on the almost-blind faith not that the law is to be followed not because of fear of the strongman who imposes it, but it's to be followed out of the simple recognition that without law, a civilised society cannot exist. It rests on every person subject to that law trusting that all of the officers within that system are at least notionally trying to make the system run properly, that they are not, in fact, solely out for themselves. No trust between two parties means there can be no contract. No contract means there generally cannot be cooperation, and without cooperation if only on the basis that your own interests are served by cooperating, no progress can be made.

A brutally individualist environment cannot produce trust. Not in sufficient quantities to drag it out of the societal slop.

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(12-11-2016 08:49 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(12-11-2016 08:05 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  For whatever reason, South Americans seem prone to a "fuck everyone who isn't me" attitude. Coupled with excellent crop growing conditions in most areas there is absolutely a culture of laziness among them which is ironically fertile ground for the seeds of socialism to be planted.

What arrives now has arguably been inevitable for a long time. As the government fails to provide, laziness gives way to the "fuck everyone who isn't me" mentality and by next Tuesday you have the collapsing Aztec cannibal empire all over again.

I'd like to focus on this for a moment since it's been observed that the most resilient societies, such as the US, such as that of the West in general, seem to be those which have a high degree of trust.

Indeed that's the foundation of the rule of law: it rests on the almost-blind faith not that the law is to be followed not because of fear of the strongman who imposes it, but it's to be followed out of the simple recognition that without law, a civilised society cannot exist. It rests on every person subject to that law trusting that all of the officers within that system are at least notionally trying to make the system run properly, that they are not, in fact, solely out for themselves. No trust between two parties means there can be no contract. No contract means there generally cannot be cooperation, and without cooperation if only on the basis that your own interests are served by cooperating, no progress can be made.

A brutally individualist environment cannot produce trust. Not in sufficient quantities to drag it out of the societal slop.

This is something I also think about all the time and have had discussions with numerous members about.

I'm in Tokyo right now and as anyone who's been here knows the respect for law and order here is insane. People will wait at a crosswalk and respect the red light even if there are no cars in sight and it's 20 feet to get to the other side. It's hard to imagine that even if this place ever went to shit (their debt is pretty out of control) things would devolve to the level where Japanese start murdering each other and bringing the country to its knees.

That said, I do wonder if that cultural quality was in place during the Imperial period or the Shogunate before it, or if this is just a pecularity that arose during the reconstruction of Japan. Or if religion and Buddhism has something to do with it.

Anyway, then you have places like Phils and Mexico. I still haven't been to phils but known a whole shitload of them from my time in L.A. and heard damn near every one of them tell me they don't trust each other. I've been to Mexico enough times to know it's like that in many places there too. The beanbags I work with will take off their dirty chef coats and aprons in the locker room and just leave their shit on the floor for someone else to clean up. I'll come across it the next day and gather the entire kitchen staff and make them clean the locker room head to toe.

That night, the same shit happens. Again, a pile of dirty laundry on the fucking floor. It's like dealing with mongoloid retards. They know someone will have to clean it up and I'll make the first person I see do it, but they're completely incapable of having any respect for their coworkers or policing each other. I have a hard time believing this would happen in Japan.

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A lot of it has a long tradition of high-trust societies - the Japanese were like that long before the West came to them. Also the Chinese are similar to that where customs are order is valued above even direct survival.

Even Nordic societies were somewhat similar - the Viking chiefs operated on a trust and control basis. Essentially if they stopped being worthy trustworthy warrior-kings, then the small tribes simply rebelled against them and elected a different leader. Attacking a foreign tribe was fine, but slaughtering your own is simply a no-go in those societies and been that way even before Christianity came to the Northmen.

Similarly to the Japanese would they rather work for food, swarm to the farms and help out there or band together and defend themselves.

I am certain that there is some genetic component attached to it in combination with how those societies have evolved over time. Though I would not discard strong additional circumstances - Europe during the MIddle Ages at one time somewhat resembled war-lord-dominated areas of local knights preying on everyone and no organized party bringing order to the whole. But at least they managed to overcome that. Still - it is truly astounding to see a country as fertile as Venezuela go through hunger bouts. Even their criminals are dumb as shit - they could make much more money by protecting the fishermen and getting a cut from the proceeds. You sometimes really have to wonder....
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(12-11-2016 09:22 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  A lot of it has a long tradition of high-trust societies - the Japanese were like that long before the West came to them. Also the Chinese are similar to that where customs are order is valued above even direct survival.

Even Nordic societies were somewhat similar - the Viking chiefs operated on a trust and control basis. Essentially if they stopped being worthy trustworthy warrior-kings, then the small tribes simply rebelled against them and elected a different leader. Attacking a foreign tribe was fine, but slaughtering your own is simply a no-go in those societies and been that way even before Christianity came to the Northmen.

Similarly to the Japanese would they rather work for food, swarm to the farms and help out there or band together and defend themselves.

I am certain that there is some genetic component attached to it in combination with how those societies have evolved over time. Though I would not discard strong additional circumstances - Europe during the MIddle Ages at one time somewhat resembled war-lord-dominated areas of local knights preying on everyone and no organized party bringing order to the whole. But at least they managed to overcome that. Still - it is truly astounding to see a country as fertile as Venezuela go through hunger bouts. Even their criminals are dumb as shit - they could make much more money by protecting the fishermen and getting a cut from the proceeds. You sometimes really have to wonder....

That is the thing, is not like Venezuela is a desert country, it has lots of fertile land and lots of water sources.

What is stopping somebody from plating some food in their own garden? is not like the government will go house by house to check the people are to growing any potato in the backyard.
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No the government won't but their neighbours or gangs will and you can end up dead because of it. This is a classic case of food running out and SHTF. The weak will suffer the strong.
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Not sure how the Aztecs fit into this, they're in Mexico half a continent away. The Incans are closer. The Instanbul-Caracas flight is weird, there's no demand for that....other than to replace the Caracas-Damascus flight that was used to transport terrorists and drugs.

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Maduro doing essentially what the Swedes are, except (a) he's not being quite as subtle and (b) he's doing it during hyperinflation, not before:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11...gest-bill-

Quote:Having observed the economic chaos to emerge as a result of India's shocking Nov. 8 demonetization announcement, and perhaps confident it can do better, today president Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Latin America's most distressed economy, mired in an economic crisis and facing hyperinflation, likewise shocked the nation when he announced on state TV that just like India, Venezuela would pull its highest denominated, 100-bolivar bill (which is worth about two U.S. cents on the black market), from circulation over the next 72 hours, ahead of the introduction of new, higher-value notes, as large as 20,000.

"I have decided to take out of circulation bills of 100 bolivars in the next 72 hours," Maduro said. "We must keep beating the mafias."

To this we would add "and cue economic chaos", but since this is Venezuela, that's a given.

The surprise move, announced by Maduro during an hours-long speech, is likely to worsen a cash crunch in Venezuela, and lead the largely-cash based economy to a state of paralysis. Maduro said the 100-bolivar bill will be taken out of circulation on Wednesday and Venezuelans will have 10 days after that to exchange those notes at the central bank.

Critics immediately slammed the move, which Maduro said was needed to combat contraband of the bills at the volatile Colombia-Venezuela border, as economically nonsensical, adding there would be no way to swap all the 100-bolivar bills in circulation in the time the president has allotted. Indeed, if India is any example, Venezuela - whose economy is far worse than that of India, the world's fastest growing emerging market - may have just signed its own economic death warrant.

According to central bank data, in November there were more than six billion 100-bolivar bills in circulation, 48 percent of all bills and coins. In other words, Venezuela just eliminated half the paper cash in circulation.

Authorities on Thursday are due to start releasing six new notes and three new coins, the largest of which will be worth 20,000 bolivars, less than $5 on the streets. No official inflation data is available for 2016 though many economists see it in triple digits. Economic consultancy Ecoanalitica estimates annual inflation this year at more than 500%, close to the IMF's estimate.

Meanwhile, assuring hyperinflation next year will be a doozy, the oil-producing nation's bolivar currency has fallen 55% against the U.S. dollar on the black market in the last month.

Money supply, the sum of cash and checking deposits as well as savings and other "near money" deposits, was up a staggering 19% in the three weeks to Dec. 2 and the curve has been exponential since Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez came to power in 1999.

Maduro previously has said that organized crime networks at the Colombia-Venezuela border buy up Venezuelan notes to in turn buy subsidized Venezuelan goods and sell them for vast profits in Colombia.

While smuggling of this sort is an issue at the border, it cannot account for nationwide shortages of the most basic goods from food to medicine, which have left millions hungry and doctors crying out for help. As we reported previously paying a restaurant or supermarket bill without a debit or credit card can often require a backpack full of cash. However, getting cash in recent months has proven difficult, and the country's credit-card machines have recently suffered problems, leaving many businesses asking customers to pay by bank transfer.

As Reuters adds, strict currency controls introduced in 2003 that pegged the bolivar to the dollar, coupled with heavy reliance on oil, are seen as the root of the crisis by most economists. Maduro has blamed an "economic war" being waged against his government by the opposition and the United States.

With Venezuela's move, we can now add the insolvent Latin American country to an increasingly large group of countries including India, Sweden, and Australia, which in recent months have been on a quiet crusade to eliminate all forms of paper money. Certainly, Venezuela will not be the last as only full control over a nation's currency will allow governments to enact global negative rates, something which is inevitable once the current "Trumpflation" euphoria finally ends.

The only one waging an economic war is Maduro. And he's waging it against his own people. Smugglers at the borders cannot so influence the money supply to make it necessary to make your dollar 200 times less valuable. And smugglers are not stupid enough to go seeking out worthless currency to buy shit with. More likely what's happening at the borders is that hordes of desperate Venezuelans are exchanging tons of shit money for currency or consumer goods that are actually worth something or holding their value.

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(12-11-2016 08:32 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Not sure how the Aztecs fit into this, they're in Mexico half a continent away. The Incans are closer.
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I was speaking in general terms. A South American nation that slows to stall speed and starts cannibalising itself, metaphorically in the case of Venezuela and literally in the case of the Aztecs.
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(12-11-2016 11:27 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(12-11-2016 08:32 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Not sure how the Aztecs fit into this, they're in Mexico half a continent away. The Incans are closer.
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I was speaking in general terms. A South American nation that slows to stall speed and starts cannibalising itself, metaphorically in the case of Venezuela and literally in the case of the Aztecs.

Gotcha, no worries. Just making sure we have our indians in the right row.

I'm just hoping for the day Venezuelan bitches will throw themselves at me for a BigMac.

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(12-11-2016 06:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This lawlessness and collapse is worse than anything seen either during the US depression, various European depressions or even Soviet economic collapse.

What can never happen no matter what is an implosion of law and order. If that happens then you are left in a Taliban/war lord/Mad Max kind of world where the biggest armed group kills and survives or everything is just gang-wars fighting each other until there is nothing more left to fight over.

I don't know about that, man. What we're seeing in Venezuela has indeed happened under Stalin, Lenin, or Mao. Millions were killed during those times.

Communists/socialists/tyrants - same shit no matter the race or culture.

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(12-12-2016 06:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  
(12-11-2016 06:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This lawlessness and collapse is worse than anything seen either during the US depression, various European depressions or even Soviet economic collapse.

What can never happen no matter what is an implosion of law and order. If that happens then you are left in a Taliban/war lord/Mad Max kind of world where the biggest armed group kills and survives or everything is just gang-wars fighting each other until there is nothing more left to fight over.

I don't know about that, man. What we're seeing in Venezuela has indeed happened under Stalin, Lenin, or Mao. Millions were killed during those times.

Communists/socialists/tyrants - same shit no matter the race or culture.

Millions were killed under controlled state-directed violence. The military went in and took grain, abducted people to the gulags and starved them to death.

The people did not go bonkers while living in surroundings filled with fish, fertile lands that can grow vegetables within weeks.
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And it´s going to get even worse:

http://fortune.com/2016/12/12/venezuela-...-currency/

Inflation-Hit Venezuela Is Pulling Its Largest Bill From Circulation

"Venezuela, mired in an economic crisis and facing the world’s highest inflation, will pull its largest bill, worth two U.S. cents on the black market, from circulation this week ahead of introducing new higher-value notes, President Nicolas Maduro said on Sunday.

The surprise move, announced by Maduro during an hours-long speech, is likely to worsen a cash crunch in Venezuela. Maduro said the 100-bolivar bill will be taken out of circulation on Wednesday and Venezuelans will have 10 days after that to exchange those notes at the central bank.

Central bank data showed that in November, there were more than six billion 100-bolivar bills in circulation, 48% of all bills and coins."
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(12-12-2016 06:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  
(12-12-2016 06:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  
(12-11-2016 06:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  This lawlessness and collapse is worse than anything seen either during the US depression, various European depressions or even Soviet economic collapse.

What can never happen no matter what is an implosion of law and order. If that happens then you are left in a Taliban/war lord/Mad Max kind of world where the biggest armed group kills and survives or everything is just gang-wars fighting each other until there is nothing more left to fight over.

I don't know about that, man. What we're seeing in Venezuela has indeed happened under Stalin, Lenin, or Mao. Millions were killed during those times.

Communists/socialists/tyrants - same shit no matter the race or culture.

Millions were killed under controlled state-directed violence. The military went in and took grain, abducted people to the gulags and starved them to death.

The people did not go bonkers while living in surroundings filled with fish, fertile lands that can grow vegetables within weeks.

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken on this. Crime was legendary in these places, the black market was massive.

I think the major difference was how crime was handled; in Venezuela the government hunts them down, but in Communist China/Russia they just turned them into cops.

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^ Or to be more specific "gave them badges".
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(12-12-2016 08:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^ Or to be more specific "gave them badges".

South Mexicans don't need no steenking badges.

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(12-13-2016 09:45 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(12-12-2016 08:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^ Or to be more specific "gave them badges".

South Mexicans don't need no steenking badges.




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