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(12-05-2018 02:36 AM)Pride male Wrote:  How does a bus driver become a president?

You can start by becoming Premier of a province, such as our current Dear Leader in socialist British Columbia.
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(12-05-2018 02:36 AM)Pride male Wrote:  How does a bus driver become a president?

Same way a failed lowlife becomes a leader of a country--through revolution. In case of Venezuela--election fraud.

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Quote:IMF sees Venezuela inflation at 10 million percent in 2019
(Reuters) - Venezuela’s inflation rate will reach 10 million percent next year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Tuesday in a report forecasting that one of the worst hyperinflationary crises in modern history will further deepen.

In an update to its World Economic Outlook released at the Fund’s annual meeting in Indonesia, the Washington-based lender estimated that consumer prices in Venezuela would rise 1,370,000 percent in 2018, up from a July projection of 1 million percent.

Venezuela’s economy has steadily deteriorated since the crash of oil prices in 2014 left it unable to sustain a socialist system of subsidies and price controls. In July, the IMF compared the hyperinflation in Venezuela to that of Germany in 1923 and Zimbabwe in the late 2000s.

The collapse has led to shortages of food, medicine and other basic goods, and prompted an exodus of Venezuelans that has overwhelmed neighboring countries. The IMF said on Tuesday the economy would contract 18 percent in 2018, consistent with its July forecast, and 5 percent in 2019.

President Nicolas Maduro slashed five zeros off the bolivar currency and boosted the minimum wage thirty-fold in an effort to stabilize prices in August. But inflation continued unabated in September, with prices rising 4 percent per day to reach an annualized rate of 488,865 percent, according to the opposition-run congress.

The Fund warned that its projections for Venezuela should be “interpreted with caution” because of a lack of official economic data. The central bank stopped publishing economic indicators nearly three years ago, and opposition legislators have become the only source of such information.

Maduro’s government dismisses the IMF as a pawn of Washington and says the country’s struggles are the result of an “economic war” led by the United States. Critics argue that Maduro’s expansion of the monetary supply and currency controls are the true causes of the collapse.

Reporting by Luc Cohen; Editing by Steve Orlofsky
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Now that Bolsonaro has been sworn in, Brazil is doing America's dirty job by issuing a statement saying it recognized unelected Venezuela’s Congressional leader, Juan Guaido who opposes President Nicolas Maduro, as the rightful president of Venezuela.
Next step is to set up a coup and the military invasion of Venezuela by a combined Brazilian-American force.
No surprises here, there is too much at stake in Venezuela -The largest oil reserves in the World and huge reservoirs of rare Earth elements used in a number of key industries, also electronics.

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^Largest world reserve of Venezolanas too

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(01-14-2019 12:15 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  ^Largest world reserve of Venezolanas too

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I hope no military action comes about because that place would be much worse than Iraq. There are a lot of armed militia who are on the governments side and wont take too kindly to outside forces invading absed on outsiders deciding who should be the President.
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I highly doubt there will be military action, it'd be very destabilising for the region. Neighbouring countries wouldn't be able to deal with the humanitarian crisis that would result from an outright war. It's bad enough with the way things are right now.

The strategy will be to keep isolating Venezuela (and fomenting the opposition) until the regime gives up or a civil war brings it down.
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(01-14-2019 01:12 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  I highly doubt there will be military action, it'd be very destabilising for the region. Neighbouring countries wouldn't be able to deal with the humanitarian crisis that would result from an outright war. It's bad enough with the way things are right now.

The strategy will be to keep isolating Venezuela (and fomenting the opposition) until the regime gives up or a civil war brings it down.

Multiple countries, including the US and Canada have officially stated Maduro is not recognsied as the President and only the opposition leader is can hold that position.

Thats red flag #1.

Multiple SA countries dislike Maduros government and want him gone and the US State department will have been discussing things with them behind closed doors.

Red flag #2.

The opposition is calling for those militias who like Maduro to be disarmed, citing threats to democracy.

Red flag #3.

And red flag #4 is the so-called opposition government being pushed forward as the true government and any usurpers are to be dealt with through military action.

A steady ramp-up of propaganda in the MSM and Statements from world governments is on-going and this is to set the scene and test the waters for whats to come.

We've been down this road enough times to know whats up and here we are again. Russia and China have recognised Maduro as the President and any action to remove him will have consequences.
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Russia and China see an opportunity in Venezuela, understandably. But I doubt they'll defend Maduro to the end. The tragedy that is going on in Venezuela is well documented. The regime's incompetence is patently obvious. Don't forget Maduro has recently visited China with the intention of securing a loan and came back empty-handed. I think Russia and China's relationship with Venezuela is more like "we'll support them as long as it's cheap and convenient and fruitful for us, but we won't get our hands dirty if it becomes a headache".

South America has taken a turn for the right, so has the US. Maduro is a dictator and everyone knows he's been frauding elections (the same applied to Chavez). There's no reason for South American countries to keep pretending things are okay in Venezuela. They are not. It's only natural that they're denouncing the regime now that everything is in sync. Bolsonaro is spearheading that initiative.

Military action is a whole other matter. The region hasn't seen conflicts involving more than two countries since the Paraguayan war. Brazil and Colombia have their own set of problems, wars are expensive, and like I said, the humanitarian cost would also be huge. I'm skeptical.

IMHO it makes more sense for South American countries to keep undermining Maduro until the system collapses. I could be wrong, of course, but I hope I'm not, because as a South American resident I'd hate to see the region engulfed in war.
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Speaking as an American, I am so incredibly glad I don't have to give a shit about any of this.

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(01-14-2019 01:44 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  Russia and China see an opportunity in Venezuela, understandably. But I doubt they'll defend Maduro to the end. The tragedy that is going on in Venezuela is well documented. The regime's incompetence is patently obvious. Don't forget Maduro has recently visited China with the intention of securing a loan and came back empty-handed. I think Russia and China's relationship with Venezuela is more like "we'll support them as long as it's cheap and convenient and fruitful for us, but we won't get our hands dirty if it becomes a headache".

South America has taken a turn for the right, so has the US. Maduro is a dictator and everyone knows he's been frauding elections (the same applied to Chavez). There's no reason for South American countries to keep pretending things are okay in Venezuela. They are not. It's only natural that they're denouncing the regime now that everything is in sync. Bolsonaro is spearheading that initiative.

Military action is a whole other matter. The region hasn't seen conflicts involving more than two countries since the Paraguayan war. Brazil and Colombia have their own set of problems, wars are expensive, and like I said, the humanitarian cost would also be huge. I'm skeptical.

IMHO it makes more sense for South American countries to keep undermining Maduro until the system collapses. I could be wrong, of course, but I hope I'm not, because as a South American resident I'd hate to see the region engulfed in war.

There are interests to be taken so to simply let the mess roll on would be to say no to $$$. They're going to try something but anyway it goes it will involve death and lots of propaganda.
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It's not just Chinese and Russian influence in Venezuela, there's a lot of Iranian and Arab (Hezbollah) fuckery going on there too.

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(01-14-2019 04:39 PM)scotian Wrote:  It's not just Chinese and Russian influence in Venezuela, there's a lot of Iranian and Arab (Hezbollah) fuckery going on there too.

Good! Fuck the Globalists.

Meanwhile, regime change coming to Venezuela.



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(01-14-2019 01:44 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  Russia and China see an opportunity in Venezuela, understandably. But I doubt they'll defend Maduro to the end. The tragedy that is going on in Venezuela is well documented. The regime's incompetence is patently obvious. Don't forget Maduro has recently visited China with the intention of securing a loan and came back empty-handed. I think Russia and China's relationship with Venezuela is more like "we'll support them as long as it's cheap and convenient and fruitful for us, but we won't get our hands dirty if it becomes a headache".

Wanna bet? You lot said the same thing about President Assad. He'll be gone in 6 months, he has escaped to Moscow, blah! blah! blah!

https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/01/a-new-...pposition/

https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/01/with-r...e-country/

https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/01/as-us-...or-maduro/

Russia recently landed two long ranged bombers in Venezuela in a show of support to Caracas. Moscow also has plans to set up a military base in the country.

http://tass.com/pressreview/1035596

If the neo-con, banker globalists and their poodle Bolsonaro have any designs about a bit of regime changing, they will be dealing with Vlad. Russia and China have signicant investment in the country and an illegal coup against Maduro would have far reaching consequences. You think it's bullshit? Well step right up.

Quote:South America has taken a turn for the right, so has the US. Maduro is a dictator and everyone knows he's been frauding elections (the same applied to Chavez). There's no reason for South American countries to keep pretending things are okay in Venezuela. They are not. It's only natural that they're denouncing the regime now that everything is in sync. Bolsonaro is spearheading that initiative.

Maduro is a dictator, Assad is a dictator, Yanukovich is a dictator, Milosevic is a dictator, Putin is a dictator, blah! blah! fucking blah! Change the channel Marge. It is clear that anybody who doesnt kow-tow to American exceptionalism and the whims of the globalists is a 'dictator'. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, a hell on earth and which supports and exports murderous jihadi Islamo-fascism gets a pass.

Quote:IMHO it makes more sense for South American countries to keep undermining Maduro until the system collapses. I could be wrong, of course, but I hope I'm not, because as a South American resident I'd hate to see the region engulfed in war.

Have the globalists learned anything from Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Ukraine and Syria? It doesn't look like it. What is happening now to Venezuela mirrors what happend to Syria in the 2-3 years leading up to the outbreak of the civil war there in 2011. If Venezuela is destabalized by outside powers, I fear that Latin America is about to have its very own 'Syria'. The trickle heading north will become a flood. Trump will need a bigger wall.
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(01-14-2019 02:13 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Speaking as an American, I am so incredibly glad I don't have to give a shit about any of this.

You should, man.
America Government wants another endless war.

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(01-17-2019 11:22 AM)Batka Wrote:  Wanna bet? You lot

"You lot"? Who are you talking about, exactly?

Quote:It is clear that anybody who doesnt kow-tow to American exceptionalism and the whims of the globalists is a 'dictator'. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, a hell on earth and which supports and exports murderous jihadi Islamo-fascism gets a pass.

Quote:Have the globalists learned anything from Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Ukraine and Syria?

The globalists, neoliberal bankers, Ukraine, Syria, Assad, yada yada. You're not living in reality, man. Your vision is clouded by politics and ideology. Meanwhile if you actually spend some time in South America - Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Brazil - if you actually visit border cities, actually talk to Venezuelans, you'll find their people are living in a state of complete desperation. They're lacking food, medicine, basic services are completely broken, power plants go out all the time, crime and murder are rampant. The men kill to survive, the women whore themselves out. It's a god damn tragedy.

Based on your previous replies, I already know what you're going to say. This is all part of a big conspiracy. Evil US & friends are conspiring against Maduro. That's why the country became a post-apocalyptic horror film. Give me a break. Even as late as 2015 Venezuela was still supported by Brazil. Yet things had already gone to shit. Morales isn't a "globalist poodle", yet Bolivia isn't collapsing.

Maduro, the people close to him and the top dogs in the Venezuelan military are all a bunch of stupid crooks. The moment oil prices fluctuated everything went to shit, because the people running the show are a gang of corrupt retards. Sure, Venezuela isn't playing along with globalist interests. That's brilliant. It'd be even better if the country didn't look like a layer in Dante's hell. Resisting globalism doesn't automatically make Maduro good. The enemy of one's enemies isn't always a friend.

Do me a favour. Spend some time in Pacaraima or Boa Vista. Then try to explain to one of the homeless venecos sleeping in squares that Venezuela is fighting globalism, and that Maduro is actually the good guy, and that you're cheering for the regime. Let me know what he thinks.
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(01-17-2019 12:54 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:22 AM)Batka Wrote:  Wanna bet? You lot

"You lot"? Who are you talking about, exactly?

Quote:It is clear that anybody who doesnt kow-tow to American exceptionalism and the whims of the globalists is a 'dictator'. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia, a hell on earth and which supports and exports murderous jihadi Islamo-fascism gets a pass.

Quote:Have the globalists learned anything from Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Ukraine and Syria?

The globalists, neoliberal bankers, Ukraine, Syria, Assad, yada yada. You're not living in reality, man. Your vision is clouded by politics and ideology. Meanwhile if you actually spend some time in South America - Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Brazil - if you actually visit border cities, actually talk to Venezuelans, you'll find their people are living in a state of complete desperation. They're lacking food, medicine, basic services are completely broken, power plants go out all the time, crime and murder are rampant. The men kill to survive, the women whore themselves out. It's a god damn tragedy.

Based on your previous replies, I already know what you're going to say. This is all part of a big conspiracy. Evil US & friends are conspiring against Maduro. That's why the country became a post-apocalyptic horror film. Give me a break. Even as late as 2015 Venezuela was still supported by Brazil. Yet things had already gone to shit. Morales isn't a "globalist poodle", yet Bolivia isn't collapsing.

Maduro, the people close to him and the top dogs in the Venezuelan military are all a bunch of stupid crooks. The moment oil prices fluctuated everything went to shit, because the people running the show are a gang of corrupt retards. Sure, Venezuela isn't playing along with globalist interests. That's brilliant. It'd be even better if the country didn't look like a layer in Dante's hell. Resisting globalism doesn't automatically make Maduro good. The enemy of one's enemies isn't always a friend.

Do me a favour. Spend some time in Pacaraima or Boa Vista. Then try to explain to one of the homeless venecos sleeping in squares that Venezuela is fighting globalism, and that Maduro is actually the good guy, and that you're cheering for the regime. Let me know what he thinks.

Why dont you do yourself a favour and look up what is really happening in Venezuela.

There is a systematic campaign by the right wing elites and opposition, both economic and poltically to undermine Venezuela. They tried military coup, an attempted assassination and now with the help of the neo-cons, economic embargo. The MSM despite overwhelming evidence whitewashes this and uses drones like you to push the narrative that Maduro is a dictator. Abby Martin has exposed this time and time again. Not only in Venezuela but also in Nicaragua and Syria. It's sad really that people on here who rattle on about how the globalists are undermining sovereignty and the will of the people, meanwhile support the very same forces who are underming and trying to destroy countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua and Syria because they happen to have left-wing governments who are defying the globalist agenda so that makes them fair game. You are nothing but a hack for the Right and a stenographer for the fake news MSM and globalists. This is Ukraine/Syria 2.0. An independent, sovereign state that refuses to tow the line of American exceptionalism is being covertly attacked. Who cares about democracy. The globalists only like democracy when it suits them. Democratically elected leaders like Assad have had proxy armies thrown at them. Yanukovich was overthrown in Ukraine and now it's Maduro's turn.

Here's a couple of videos to get you started from Max Blumenthal and Abby Martin who explain exactly what is going on.









Venezuela like Nicaragua and Syria are all part of the anti-globalist camp. They are allies of Russia. You attack one, you attack them all. Now the people on here calling for regime change must surely realize that if they topple Maduro, all hell will break loose and Latin America could very well have a new Syria right on its doorstep. Another endless war (object OIL) will not bring any peace and prosperity to the region. How hard is that not to understand?
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(01-14-2019 11:59 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  Now that Bolsonaro has been sworn in, Brazil is doing America's dirty job by issuing a statement saying it recognized unelected Venezuela’s Congressional leader, Juan Guaido who opposes President Nicolas Maduro, as the rightful president of Venezuela.
Next step is to set up a coup and the military invasion of Venezuela by a combined Brazilian-American force.
No surprises here, there is too much at stake in Venezuela -The largest oil reserves in the World and huge reservoirs of rare Earth elements used in a number of key industries, also electronics.

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(01-14-2019 01:12 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  I highly doubt there will be military action, it'd be very destabilising for the region. Neighbouring countries wouldn't be able to deal with the humanitarian crisis that would result from an outright war. It's bad enough with the way things are right now.

The strategy will be to keep isolating Venezuela (and fomenting the opposition) until the regime gives up or a civil war brings it down.

venezuela population is 30m. brazil is 209m. They could easily spread them out.
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(01-14-2019 01:22 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 01:12 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  I highly doubt there will be military action, it'd be very destabilising for the region. Neighbouring countries wouldn't be able to deal with the humanitarian crisis that would result from an outright war. It's bad enough with the way things are right now.

The strategy will be to keep isolating Venezuela (and fomenting the opposition) until the regime gives up or a civil war brings it down.

Multiple countries, including the US and Canada have officially stated Maduro is not recognsied as the President and only the opposition leader is can hold that position.

Thats red flag #1.

Multiple SA countries dislike Maduros government and want him gone and the US State department will have been discussing things with them behind closed doors.

Red flag #2.

The opposition is calling for those militias who like Maduro to be disarmed, citing threats to democracy.

Red flag #3.

And red flag #4 is the so-called opposition government being pushed forward as the true government and any usurpers are to be dealt with through military action.

A steady ramp-up of propaganda in the MSM and Statements from world governments is on-going and this is to set the scene and test the waters for whats to come.

We've been down this road enough times to know whats up and here we are again. Russia and China have recognised Maduro as the President and any action to remove him will have consequences.

sure but the US is known to be fast and slow in acting. they might take a decade before doing anything. i think as long as ven. is not producing oil the chances are not that high.
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I think its worth bearing in mind Cold War 'spheres of influence' doctrine from back in the day.

The Caribbean was the US' sphere of influence. As the decades went by the Soviets et al. could try and cause as much subversion and regime change as possible but they knew that the US was the dominant power in that sphere of influence. They didn't expect to take the region over as much as cause maximum damage and interference over the years. They learnt a lesson in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Cuba was on the US doorstep in the US' sphere of influence and playing brinkmanship over a territory that was thousands of miles away from Russia's borders and a long supply chain by sea or air wasn't going to work. At least that's how some Kremlin chiefs viewed it retrospectively.

Same with >some< US commentators and Vietnam. A harder one to argue but some felt that its land border in the North with China and the fact that it was closer to Russia and China than the US meant that it was another example of the perils of straying from one's own sphere of influence.
Not sure I buy that.

But Syria and Iran are as close as dammit as you can get to an ex-Soviet ally, continuing Russian sphere of influence. There is a treaty that guarantees nuclear war if anyone invades. Which is what the CIA and the Saudis did and why the Russians are so pissed.

The Eastern European Bloc behind the iron curtain can be explained as a buffer zone for the Soviets after their 27 million war dead. Which is why Bush in Georgia and Obama in the Ukraine and with his nato expansion across former Warsaw Pact countries has been viewed so negatively in Russia.

But Venezuela and Latin America in general is not a Russian Sphere of Influence and would not be treated as another Syria or Crimea should the US invade.

I honestly don't think they would. The US would have to be insane to try and do it at this point in time. One of the reasons why Trumps administration didn't go hell for leather with the Wall and migrants and a host of other things was because they knew that it would cost them more in opposition and media hysteria than if they took a more measured approach. Same thing for Jeff Sessions and Hillary, the Dossier and the Mueller probe. (In my view)
Same thing for the Russians and US backed Al Qaeda's invasion of their prize ally Syria. Sometimes attacking a problem straight off the bat leads to a costly defeat.

But even if the US did invade, the Russians would not meaningfully intervene. Latin America is in the US sphere of influence.
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God damned them all, I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold, we'd fire no guns-shed no tears, now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's privateers!
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What is basically happening now is that China is extending loans to Venezuela using a debt trap strategy in the hopes that Venezuela defaults. When that happens they will negotiate the rights to Venezuelan oil (which the Venezuelan's don't know how to extract) much like how they negotiated a 99 year lease for a port in Sri Lanka (which can serve as an overseas Chinese Naval Base in the Indian Ocean), Pakistan (sea and air port) and in various long term leases in multiple countries in Africa.
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Fed prints money for debt, which China buys to keep it solvent, but all that money goes back to China in the end for shitty merch, making the Americans functionally a free-funnymoney spigot for China to buy up the whole world.

The implications are shit but it's hard not to respect the game.

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