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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(02-07-2019 08:02 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 03:20 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there a South or central American country that is pleasant to live or are they all basket cases?

Chile is the most developed nation in South America currently. From wikipedia:

Quote:The modern sovereign state of Chile is among South America's most economically and socially stable and prosperous nations, with a high-income economy and high living standards.[11][12] It leads Latin American nations in rankings of human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, state of peace, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] It also ranks high regionally in sustainability of the state, and democratic development.[14] Chile is a member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), joining in 2010. Currently it also has the lowest homicide rate in South America. Chile is a founding member of the United Nations, the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC).

The Central Bank of Chile in Santiago serves as the central bank for the country. The Chilean currency is the Chilean peso (CLP). Chile is one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations,[11] leading Latin American nations in human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] Since July 2013, Chile is considered by the World Bank as a "high-income economy".

Chile has the highest degree of economic freedom in South America (ranking 7th worldwide), owing to its independent and efficient judicial system and prudent public finance management.[141] In May 2010 Chile became the first South American country to join the OECD.[142] In 2006, Chile became the country with the highest nominal GDP per capita in Latin America.

Yes you guys do know the story of how Chile became the country with the highest standard of living in LatAm right? In the 70s a man named Salvador Allende, basically cut from the same cloth as Maduro and Castro was about to take power in the country and turn Chile into modern day Venezuela or Cuba. A dictator named Pinochet came into power by force and remained in power for about 20 years. He killed every single last one of those marxist cockroaches. He actually rounded up thousands of communists into a stadium and just mowed them down with machine guns one day. Now Chile can live in peace. That mofo knew how to handle people like Maduro and his ilk. You can't try to beat socialists/communists through the democratic system because socialists know how to play the system to dismantle it as quickly as possible (while shoring up support by giving away the treasury at the same time, the "spending other people's money" phase of socialism where the economy briefly rises for a few years at most). Pinochet knew what a threat these socialists were to the future of his country and he knew his future reputation and legacy could be tarnished but refused to give power over until the socialists were crushed.

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Before he purged the country of commies, Augusto rounded up and liquidated all the guys with manbuns.

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I didn't want to deprive the foreign intervenentionist crowd of a cognitive dissonance full flush, so I'm interested to hear their opinion of why the long suffering people of North Korea are better served by US diplomacy while the considerably less impoverished Venezuelans need to be bombed into prosperity.

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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(02-07-2019 10:56 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 08:02 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 03:20 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there a South or central American country that is pleasant to live or are they all basket cases?

Chile is the most developed nation in South America currently. From wikipedia:

Quote:The modern sovereign state of Chile is among South America's most economically and socially stable and prosperous nations, with a high-income economy and high living standards.[11][12] It leads Latin American nations in rankings of human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, state of peace, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] It also ranks high regionally in sustainability of the state, and democratic development.[14] Chile is a member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), joining in 2010. Currently it also has the lowest homicide rate in South America. Chile is a founding member of the United Nations, the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC).

The Central Bank of Chile in Santiago serves as the central bank for the country. The Chilean currency is the Chilean peso (CLP). Chile is one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations,[11] leading Latin American nations in human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] Since July 2013, Chile is considered by the World Bank as a "high-income economy".

Chile has the highest degree of economic freedom in South America (ranking 7th worldwide), owing to its independent and efficient judicial system and prudent public finance management.[141] In May 2010 Chile became the first South American country to join the OECD.[142] In 2006, Chile became the country with the highest nominal GDP per capita in Latin America.

Yes you guys do know the story of how Chile became the country with the highest standard of living in LatAm right? In the 70s a man named Salvador Allende, basically cut from the same cloth as Maduro and Castro was about to take power in the country and turn Chile into modern day Venezuela or Cuba. A dictator named Pinochet came into power by force and remained in power for about 20 years. He killed every single last one of those marxist cockroaches. He actually rounded up thousands of communists into a stadium and just mowed them down with machine guns one day. Now Chile can live in peace. That mofo knew how to handle people like Maduro and his ilk. You can't try to beat socialists/communists through the democratic system because socialists know how to play the system to dismantle it as quickly as possible (while shoring up support by giving away the treasury at the same time, the "spending other people's money" phase of socialism where the economy briefly rises for a few years at most). Pinochet knew what a threat these socialists were to the future of his country and he knew his future reputation and legacy could be tarnished but refused to give power over until the socialists were crushed.

Bro you got it wrong. He actually threw them out of helicopters.
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(02-08-2019 12:30 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 10:56 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 08:02 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 03:20 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there a South or central American country that is pleasant to live or are they all basket cases?

Chile is the most developed nation in South America currently. From wikipedia:

Quote:The modern sovereign state of Chile is among South America's most economically and socially stable and prosperous nations, with a high-income economy and high living standards.[11][12] It leads Latin American nations in rankings of human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, state of peace, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] It also ranks high regionally in sustainability of the state, and democratic development.[14] Chile is a member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), joining in 2010. Currently it also has the lowest homicide rate in South America. Chile is a founding member of the United Nations, the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC).

The Central Bank of Chile in Santiago serves as the central bank for the country. The Chilean currency is the Chilean peso (CLP). Chile is one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations,[11] leading Latin American nations in human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption.[13] Since July 2013, Chile is considered by the World Bank as a "high-income economy".

Chile has the highest degree of economic freedom in South America (ranking 7th worldwide), owing to its independent and efficient judicial system and prudent public finance management.[141] In May 2010 Chile became the first South American country to join the OECD.[142] In 2006, Chile became the country with the highest nominal GDP per capita in Latin America.

Yes you guys do know the story of how Chile became the country with the highest standard of living in LatAm right? In the 70s a man named Salvador Allende, basically cut from the same cloth as Maduro and Castro was about to take power in the country and turn Chile into modern day Venezuela or Cuba. A dictator named Pinochet came into power by force and remained in power for about 20 years. He killed every single last one of those marxist cockroaches. He actually rounded up thousands of communists into a stadium and just mowed them down with machine guns one day. Now Chile can live in peace. That mofo knew how to handle people like Maduro and his ilk. You can't try to beat socialists/communists through the democratic system because socialists know how to play the system to dismantle it as quickly as possible (while shoring up support by giving away the treasury at the same time, the "spending other people's money" phase of socialism where the economy briefly rises for a few years at most). Pinochet knew what a threat these socialists were to the future of his country and he knew his future reputation and legacy could be tarnished but refused to give power over until the socialists were crushed.

Bro you got it wrong. He actually threw them out of helicopters.
   

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(02-07-2019 10:56 PM)LatinoHeat Wrote:  Yes you guys do know the story of how Chile became the country with the highest standard of living in LatAm right? In the 70s a man named Salvador Allende, basically cut from the same cloth as Maduro and Castro was about to take power in the country and turn Chile into modern day Venezuela or Cuba. A dictator named Pinochet came into power by force and remained in power for about 20 years.

I could bet that the real Latin American country with the highest standard of living is not Chile, but Argentina, first, then Uruguay and Chile sharing second place. Even though official figures seem to say otherwise, but, it's because Argentinians hide their wealth.

Chile's wealth is publicly detailed and quantified, whereas in Argentina, who knows who has real money, and if this money is in banks? Secrete vaults, dollars buried in Santa Cruz, mysterious accounts in Switzerland, all this disappears from official statistics in Argentina.

(02-08-2019 12:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I didn't want to deprive the foreign interventionist crowd of a cognitive dissonance full flush, so I'm interested to hear their opinion of why the long suffering people of North Korea are better served by US diplomacy while the considerably less impoverished Venezuelans need to be bombed into prosperity.

Because... because:

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Its instructive to read Isabel Allende's account of how Chile just pre-Pinochet was chaotic, a mess, going rapidly downhill but also.. so diverse, dynamic, colourful.. she was in the heart of the whirlwind and it was such a crazy and wonderful time to be alive.

She fled to Venezuela with alot of hard left Chilenos when Pinochet took power- where the left there welcomed them.

She said she found it hard to cope with the pervasiveness of crime and home invasion in the 70's and 80's (3 break ins in one month at one point) and how diverse and crazy the urban centres were, but top marks for the politics of the poor Venezuelans.

Then she got rich and famous, moved to a nice part of California.. never looked back.
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You'd like to think there's a plan that doesn't involve years of bloody civil war and tens of thousands of deaths, but the US record in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine does not reassure.

I was in Caracas in the early 80s, it was a bit of a shambles, reminiscent of Manila.

I hung out with this Puerto Rican chef who talked about how he dosed himself with antibiotics constantly for fucking sluts. And that's why we have resistant gonorrhea now.

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A proper nationalist fascist like Franco or Pinochet would have thrown Guiado out of a helicopter too, they had no patience for globalist freemasons. Guiado is an Obamaoid deep state product/plant.

Communists and globalist freemasons are part and parcel of the same operation. The latter have coopted nationalist movements in Europe and elsewhere. In France today, black block antifas and the left are working hand in hand with the Macronist Rothschildian globohomo masonic regime to disrupt and break down the nationalist, traditionalist Gilets Jaunes mouvement. Those who support Guiado here are those who have trouble understanding this dynamic and the zio-globalist agenda.

Pinochet was a nationalist general. The generals in Venezuela are with Maduro, because they're nationalists first and foremost, so they're going to side against foreign interventionists and the people who side with them. The army in Venezuela will remain loyal with Maduro as long as he upholds the nationalist mantra, just as they were loyal to Chavez. We've seen that in Syria too.

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"The generals in Venezuela are with Maduro, because they're nationalists first and foremost"

I think they care about $. Whether Maduro or Guaido wins depends on who makes them the most lucrative offer.

I think most people in high level positions crave money and power. Idealistic people usually fare poorly in politics.

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(02-07-2019 11:09 PM)911 Wrote:  Before he purged the country of commies, Augusto rounded up and liquidated all the guys with manbuns.

I don't know if this is true or a joke, but I REALLY want it to be true!

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(02-08-2019 12:18 PM)Blake2 Wrote:  "The generals in Venezuela are with Maduro, because they're nationalists first and foremost"

I think they care about $. Whether Maduro or Guaido wins depends on who makes them the most lucrative offer.

Nowadays, throughout the world, I think most soldiers mainly care about three things:
Their wages, love of their country (patriotism), and not being court-martialed (or shot for treason).

For these reasons, I think the Venezuelan military will not rebel against Maduro in the foreseeable future. Maduro has sold enough gold to pay their salaries, plus they are probably (more-or-less, in their majority) convinced to be fighting for the good of their country, and maybe more importantly, they are afraid of the peloton de fusilamiento (firing squad).

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This has happened before no?

There is a little hollywood script called A coffin in the ocean.

Not so long ago, two guys found themselves sitting on an ocean of oil. They got rich and lived happy lives with their tribes. A few years later, they were tried and found guilty. They had oil on their hands. The local population agreed on the sentence but was divided about the after-sentence. Coffin or No coffin, a referendum was setup. The results were announced 51% against 49%. They were dumped and buried in an ocean oil well with no coffin. The local populace ended up killing each other until a savior has arrived. They called him Mr. Super Man. At the same time, in a far-away state there was a guy still in power. He was very poor and laughed at by his friends. The only difference, he had no oil on his hands. They called him the Lion King, pronounced Assad in the local tongue. Maduro better read the script or he will find himself stuffed in a red Venezuelan pinata playing in Pirates of the Caraibes 17. Saddam and Kaddhafi wish him well from the oil hell.

On another note, how much time to convince Western taxpayers to FREE Venezuela? One year two years, what's the consensus? How long are they going to kill each other?

At this point, it comes down to timing. My guess is sometimes after 2020.

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The USA, Brazil and Colombia are polishing the final details of a military invasion of Venezuela to seize the greatest oil wealth on Earth, so the petro-dollar can be saved.
However, some Venezuelan women are expecting to be impregnated by American soldiers as well once they engage in huge gang bangs with US Marines.



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Heres the plan if you forgot where we were and where we're headed. Note the date of the video.



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(02-08-2019 12:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I didn't want to deprive the foreign intervenentionist crowd of a cognitive dissonance full flush, so I'm interested to hear their opinion of why the long suffering people of North Korea are better served by US diplomacy while the considerably less impoverished Venezuelans need to be bombed into prosperity.

Norks aren't a threat and they have nothing of value except cheap factories to make those new 200 dollar shoes some person in the West buys.
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(02-09-2019 05:19 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 12:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I didn't want to deprive the foreign intervenentionist crowd of a cognitive dissonance full flush, so I'm interested to hear their opinion of why the long suffering people of North Korea are better served by US diplomacy while the considerably less impoverished Venezuelans need to be bombed into prosperity.

Norks aren't a threat and they have nothing of value except cheap factories to make those new 200 dollar shoes some person in the West buys.

You did not listen to the discourse of President Trump, a few days ago, regarding North Korea.

Trump (who as you know made a fortune in Real Estate) said that North Korea (ChoSun) indeed has something. "Location"! Location, location.

If you had traveled to Asia (I assume you haven't?), you would understand. The position, location, of North Korea is in itself something of huge value, set as it is between China, South Korea, Japan: the country is at a crossroad of power, growth and global wealth.

" “As an example, they have great beaches,” Trump said to reporters. “You see that whenever they’re exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, ‘Boy, look at that view. Wouldn’t that make a great condo?'”
Trump added that North Korea could be a great location for hotels, too.

“You could have the best hotels in the world right there,” Trump said. “Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It’s great.”
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https://www.businessinsider.nl/trump-say...=true&r=US

Back to Venezuela - maybe the likely scenario seems to be something along the lines of:
Military from the US, Colombia, Brazil, enter a little bit (hardly one mile) into Venezuelan territory in order to deliver and distribute the help items currently stuck at the border.
Then a casus belli (some unfortunate exchange of gunshots) happens. Then it's war, probably a quick one (once warplanes are put in use).
But, another quite likely scenario might be, a very long stand-off, with no decisive move from either party involved, and Maduro surviving for a long time - who knows?
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(02-08-2019 07:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  You'd like to think there's a plan that doesn't involve years of bloody civil war and tens of thousands of deaths, but the US record in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine does not reassure.

I was in Caracas in the early 80s, it was a bit of a shambles, reminiscent of Manila.

I hung out with this Puerto Rican chef who talked about how he dosed himself with antibiotics constantly for fucking sluts. And that's why we have resistant gonorrhea now.

Straight-out war propaganda with standard 6 Fox blonde




Thank you for the video.

All I can say is that the script is on point, very humoristic.

In her next tour, Amy Schumer should team up with secretary of state Mike Pompeo. Seriously. I almost fell out of my chair listening to his "Hezbollah in Venezuela" bit. Blood-sucker aka vampire Mike Pompeo used some high-quality Hollywood script. American hostages, Cuban invasion, Hezbollah... Woow! It's like going to the movie theater without having to pay. Oh! Wait... I am paying for this crappy movie.

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Well, they've already used up the baby incubators, yellowcake and mobile biological weapon lab stories with Saddam, so that's all they're left with for this pre-invasion PR campaign.

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(02-09-2019 12:21 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  The USA, Brazil and Colombia are polishing the final details of a military invasion of Venezuela to seize the greatest oil wealth on Earth, so the petro-dollar can be saved.
However, some Venezuelan women are expecting to be impregnated by American soldiers as well once they engage in huge gang bangs with US Marines.



Not long ago I watched a documentary about WWII, but it was not your typical documentary, it was about how after the war ended, France, UK, and USA took over Germany. The USA part of Germany did better than the French and UK sites because the USA had more food. The Germans women and the Americans men started to get along and eventually many date and marriage came out of that time.

For anyone interested here is it.





Despite the support from Russia, and China Maduro get, there is not way he will get any military help, Venezuela water access is only the Caribbean sea, any military from China or Russia tries get any close will get in troubles, and not country in Latin America is stupid enough to let China or Russia use them as port from the Atlantic Ocean.

I would not be surprise if there are already USA submarines close to the Venezuela water just in case.

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(02-10-2019 08:42 PM)911 Wrote:  Well, they've already used up the baby incubators, yellowcake and mobile biological weapon lab stories with Saddam, so that's all they're left with for this pre-invasion PR campaign.

We have had the Kuwaiti babies, the 100,000 Kosovo Albanians thrown down wells, Iraqi WMDs, Gaddaffi mass rape troops, Assad gassing his own people..

and now it's 'Hezbollah in Venezuela' line to push for the next humanitarian intervention..errr I mean regime change.





Do they think we are all so fucking dumb?
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Not only do they think it, but they are right about it.
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(02-10-2019 11:53 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 12:21 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  The USA, Brazil and Colombia are polishing the final details of a military invasion of Venezuela to seize the greatest oil wealth on Earth, so the petro-dollar can be saved.
However, some Venezuelan women are expecting to be impregnated by American soldiers as well once they engage in huge gang bangs with US Marines.



Not long ago I watched a documentary about WWII, but it was not your typical documentary, it was about how after the war ended, France, UK, and USA took over Germany. The USA part of Germany did better than the French and UK sites because the USA had more food. The Germans women and the Americans men started to get along and eventually many date and marriage came out of that time.

For anyone interested here is it.





Despite the support from Russia, and China Maduro get, there is not way he will get any military help, Venezuela water access is only the Caribbean sea, any military from China or Russia tries get any close will get in troubles, and not country in Latin America is stupid enough to let China or Russia use them as port from the Atlantic Ocean.

I would not be surprise if there are already USA submarines close to the Venezuela water just in case.

There is such a country in Latin America, which is also a country in the grave need of sustaining revolutionary zeal after the dead of the beloved leader: Cuba.

Also, you run the lifeline for a beleaguered ally by navy, not by merchant fleet. I imagine merchants bringing supplies to Cuba, which are then taken further from Cuba by some kind of Russian navy express, like "Syria Express" used to be. The stakes are very high if you want to stop a navy ship. Too high as showed by the Russian experience in Bosphorus.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/sites/a...-navy.html
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02-12-2019 02:28 PM
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
It seems there is already a date for the American invasion of Venezuela -February 23th.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido said on Tuesday that humanitarian aid will enter Venezuela on Feb 23, to bring relief to people struggling with widespread shortages of food and medicine. Of course nobody believes this crap and so, this is just a smoke courtain for the American military attack.

With God's help, I'll conquer this terrible affliction.

By way of deception, thou shalt game women.

Diaboli virtus in lumbar est -The Devil's virtue is in his loins.
02-12-2019 06:06 PM
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
Bakta, the Hezbollah prescence in Venezuela is old news, here in South America is know for a long time. Also in the triple frontier zone.

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