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(04-01-2019 05:16 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 10:47 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Russia had to contend with the mongols too:




Mongols entrenched serfdom and which would ultimately end in Europe but not in Russia until more modern times.

And the genocide of the majority of the population didn't help either.

Look, at some point there has a to be a limit how far into the past you can lay blame for current circumstances. Communism I can understand, that was very recent, but Mongols - that happened almost 1000 years ago. If you can't recover from a disaster in 1000 years, what does it say about you? It's like Arabs claiming they would have ruled the world if those bad bad Mongols hadn't sacked Baghdad in 1258, or Mexicans claiming that they had an awesome thing going on until the arrival of Conquistadors. What would we tell to an Italian claiming that Italy would have become an awesome world power if it weren't for that pesky fall of Western Roman Empire?

This sort of complaining just makes a nation look sad and embarrassing.

Especially true of the Byzantine Empire. After its sack by the 4th Crusade. Never recovered ever again.
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(04-01-2019 11:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:17 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I am pretty sure that ISIS has been defeated by a combination of both, air strikes, and protracted infantry combat. Though I am no specialist of the Syrian subject, I have read and heard that without airstrikes, ISIS would not have been defeated.

So um, who's gonna be doing the protracted infantry combat in Venezuela?

If John Rambo is unavailable, then nobody. Hence the missile through Nicolas' palatial window.
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Some pictures of the Chinese in Venezuela now.

So thats Chi Coms and Russians protecting their interests now. Obviously those low numbers are not to stop an invasion but they will be better protection for the important people of Maduros government.

It looks like they are not interested in stepping off again just because the US says "you're a bad man"

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The US burned its international goodwill in Iraq/Libya/Syria, it's hard to invoke the Monroe Doctrine on one hand, when it's been violated it with all those interventions. The idea behind the Monroe Doctrine was that old world powers would leave the US alone in the western hemisphere as long as the US stayed out of the old world.

(04-02-2019 11:39 AM)Going strong Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 11:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:17 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I am pretty sure that ISIS has been defeated by a combination of both, air strikes, and protracted infantry combat. Though I am no specialist of the Syrian subject, I have read and heard that without airstrikes, ISIS would not have been defeated.

So um, who's gonna be doing the protracted infantry combat in Venezuela?

If John Rambo is unavailable, then nobody. Hence the missile through Nicolas' palatial window.

Reportedly, Abrams and co are putting together a group of mercenaries from El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua to roll south. A bit like the Syria gameplan, where the US/NATO put together a jihadi force to invade that country as early as 2010. Not sure how effective this will be in Venezuela...

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China and Russia continue supporting Venezuela in its preparations for an American-Brazilian-Colombian invasion. Chinese army arrives in Venezuela just days after the Russian miltary.
A group of Chinese soldiers arrived in Venezuela on Sunday as part of a cooperation program between Beijing and Caracas.
According to reports, more than 120 soldiers from the Chinese People’s Liberation Army arrived at Venezuela’s Margarita Island to deliver humanitarian aid and military supplies to the government forces.

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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(04-02-2019 11:20 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 05:16 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 10:47 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Russia had to contend with the mongols too:




Mongols entrenched serfdom and which would ultimately end in Europe but not in Russia until more modern times.

And the genocide of the majority of the population didn't help either.

Look, at some point there has a to be a limit how far into the past you can lay blame for current circumstances. Communism I can understand, that was very recent, but Mongols - that happened almost 1000 years ago. If you can't recover from a disaster in 1000 years, what does it say about you? It's like Arabs claiming they would have ruled the world if those bad bad Mongols hadn't sacked Baghdad in 1258, or Mexicans claiming that they had an awesome thing going on until the arrival of Conquistadors. What would we tell to an Italian claiming that Italy would have become an awesome world power if it weren't for that pesky fall of Western Roman Empire?

This sort of complaining just makes a nation look sad and embarrassing.

Especially true of the Byzantine Empire. After its sack by the 4th Crusade. Never recovered ever again.

Just to be factual it was the longest running empire by centuries (300-1453) in the modern era, and nothing is close. Yet most people don't know nearly a single thing about it.

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(04-02-2019 05:37 PM)911 Wrote:  Reportedly, Abrams and co are putting together a group of mercenaries from El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua to roll south. ...... Not sure how effective this will be in Venezuela...

Mercenaries from El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua could not even overthrow Costa Rican or Monegasque armies (which are non-existent). That would be a new Bay of Pigs sure-disaster!

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^Mercenaries from Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua: sad!

In any case, I don't understand what the Chinese or Russian soldiers are doing there, in Venezuela: they are just giving President Trump powerful and blatant arguments for intervening. I mean, all Trump now has to do is, send missiles onto the presidential palace (and a few military bases) of Maduro, and say he had to stop Chinese and Russian "invasion", and that's it, MSM won't even be able to protest.

I mean, President Trump could now easily obtain a prestigious and easy "victory" over the Russian Federation and Chinese State, which seem oblivious of the risk. Weird situation. Unless the RF and Chinese State have information pointing to a total incapacity of the USA to start a new war, which would change the whole World order. Or maybe the Russians and Chinese are trying to bait Trump into intervening, both hoping it'll be a new Vietnam war (which it won't, Venezuelan soldiers will not fight more than half a day)?
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Russia and China putting their soldiers there as a sort of human shield is a smart strategy, though I hope those guys are at least getting time-and-a-half. Bombing a foreign nation to shit is one thing but it's entirely different if foreign nationals from important countries end up in the line of fire.

Trump getting pissy about it is proof that it's effective. I expect the Israelis in the Whitehouse will try to maneuver him into unleashing his pent up aggression on Venezuela. If for some reason he decided to deploy the troops to the southern border then nothing would happen at all, but be sure that the second he gives the go-ahead to mess with Venezuela the MIC will race beyond his control at lightning speed.

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This reminds me of the NYT editorial cartoon where they implied that the average American soldier wants to enlist to fight in the middle east, not to protect their borders. One of the more blatant (yet painfully common) projections of neocon dogma in the MSM...

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(04-02-2019 09:21 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(04-02-2019 11:20 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  ...
Especially true of the Byzantine Empire. After its sack by the 4th Crusade. Never recovered ever again.

Just to be factual it was the longest running empire by centuries (300-1453) in the modern era, and nothing is close. Yet most people don't know nearly a single thing about it.

The Celestial Empire of China run nearly twice as long, some might say it's still going strong today, with that country on the brink of becoming the world's greatest power... They've invested $6 trillion into building and securing their economic and commercial infrastructure, while the US has squandered that same gigantic amount into (((mideastern wars))) with nothing to show for but colossal debt.

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(04-02-2019 10:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  In any case, I don't understand what the Chinese or Russian soldiers are doing there, in Venezuela: they are just giving President Trump powerful and blatant arguments for intervening. I mean, all Trump now has to do is, send missiles onto the presidential palace (and a few military bases) of Maduro, and say he had to stop Chinese and Russian "invasion", and that's it, MSM won't even be able to protest.

I mean, President Trump could now easily obtain a prestigious and easy "victory" over the Russian Federation and Chinese State, which seem oblivious of the risk. Weird situation. Unless the RF and Chinese State have information pointing to a total incapacity of the USA to start a new war, which would change the whole World order. Or maybe the Russians and Chinese are trying to bait Trump into intervening, both hoping it'll be a new Vietnam war (which it won't, Venezuelan soldiers will not fight more than half a day)?

God, if I was China I would be salivating at the prospect of a US invasion of Venezuela. I would be all over that shit so fast. The Iraq/Afghan wars practically bankrupted us, and now they could get us to do it AGAIN? Think of all the military resources that we'd have to send, that would otherwise be going to the pacific. Think of the openings created by the rift in US/South American relations, both for trade and foreign relations. Think of the money we'd have to spend policing the inevitable insurgency, paying for healthcare for our wounded, etc. instead of upgrading our aging infrastructure. Think of how much attention it would divert away from China's bad trade practices, just when we're finally starting to deal with those.

If I was China I would do practically whatever it takes to get the US to invade.

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The US has no money to conduct a war and a war that wont be won easily. So what $$ amount are we looking at here long term? There is a lot of push from Western oil companies, banksters and military suppliers on this so I expect whatever bill is given to Uncle Sam it could be a trillion or more?

Add that to the already gargantuan debt the US has and all of it isn't taking into account the end result of turning yet another country into a sock puppet.

If they go the merc route it will fail badly. Syria before the war was peaceful and then it all went to shit. Venezuela is already in deep shit and the last thing you'd want is a three-way fight for the country.

The ultra violence already prevalent there is out in the open so I dont know what a conflict would add except rocket fuel.
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(04-02-2019 11:03 PM)911 Wrote:  This reminds me of the NYT editorial cartoon where they implied that the average American soldier wants to enlist to fight in the middle east, not to protect their borders. One of the more blatant (yet painfully common) projections of neocon dogma in the MSM...

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(04-02-2019 09:21 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(04-02-2019 11:20 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  ...
Especially true of the Byzantine Empire. After its sack by the 4th Crusade. Never recovered ever again.

Just to be factual it was the longest running empire by centuries (300-1453) in the modern era, and nothing is close. Yet most people don't know nearly a single thing about it.

The Celestial Empire of China run nearly twice as long, some might say it's still going strong today, with that country on the brink of becoming the world's greatest power... They've invested $6 trillion into building and securing their economic and commercial infrastructure, while the US has squandered that same gigantic amount into (((mideastern wars))) with nothing to show for but colossal debt.

The Chinese were fortunate to have had some of their own being recruited into the court of Genghis Khan

Because he considered slaughtering everyone in China and turn the cities into pasture for his people's herds.

The advisor of course appealed to his self-interest. For if the bees are all dead there would be no honey to extract.

The people were spared so they can be taxed.
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(04-01-2019 02:30 PM)911 Wrote:  Maduro did get 31.7% of total registered voters, that's about half the electorate in an election with 65% participation rate, so I figured his hardcore base is about half those voters, or about a quarter of the population. As well if there is outside/yanqui intervention, it's going to stoke a nationalistic response.

I do have woke Venezuelan friends over here, and yeah the ratio is about 5 to 1 anti-Chavez, I know it's not a black and white situation Mek. My closest buddy is a hardcore anti-Chavista, looks like a full-bloodied Castillian visigoth.

He told me a funny story, he run his large family farm near Maracaibo, one day he was doing a lot of field work and looking very scruffy. He had to meet a client far away and was running late, didn't have time to tell his driver where his client was, so he grabs his gun and takes the wheel, with his driver by his side and his bodyguard in the backseat (usually he sits in the back). His bodyguard was a cleancut fussy muchacho. So they get stopped by a pack of heavily armed roadside thugs at a traffic light, they scan the car and kidnap his bodyguard right away Laugh.

Turns out the kidnappers were connected with local police, he gathered that much from going to the nearby station where he overheard the local cop let it slip that they knew of a kidnapping in progress today of a bigshot farm owner before that info could get to them, then they realized that the kidnap target was sitting in their office... That was the time he knew he had to get out of town. He ued to run a large farm with a few hundred cattle heads and was always trying to fend off hungry bandito rustlers. The farm is now closed. That lack of stability is one of the reasons the country hasn't had the necessary agricultural output in recent years.

And you belive those numbers 911? Here in Argieland we had the kirchners "colonized" the National Center of Census and Estadistics during their administration to show whatever number they wanted to show. It was a national embarrasment.

My contact with the Venezuelan expat comunity here are numerous, from all over the social spectrum, and all can tell fricking horros stories bad as your friend, and worse. I still wonder that neither Colombia and/or Brasil are training expats units, you have way more candidates than the Cubans in the 50´s by the level of hatred the expats show.

Dont get me wrong, i am not a NeoCon, nor want USA interventions in the continent (nor interventions from other continents like Putin and the ChinCom), but the situation in Venezuela is affecting all the continent now, and i think its time for the continent to deal with those situation, no matter how much the lefties (or crackpots) try to defend the regime.

@Lubianka: I am still waiting for your answer in the Brasil thread, or are you too busy blaming the USA EMP weapons for all the Venezuelan regime´s problems?

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The situation has now massively changed, even though most in the media seem not to have noticed.

What happened is, the USA have slapped heavy sanctions on the boats and companies that carry Venezuela's oil to Cuba.

For Cuba it is a terrifying blow, as the island needs the oil for its cars and trucks, and for re-selling it on the global market.

The US had been reluctant to move in this direction for reasons that I have discussed earlier on this thread (mainly, fear of Cuban "refugees"), but now it is apparently a done deal: the petrol will stop flowing towards Cuba.

It shows by the way that I was quite right in (modestly) "advising" on this thread our islander friends to "terminate" Maduro and deal with J. Guaido (or another man if the right decision had been taken months earlier, before Guaido's rise) instead. Now, Cuba is stuck with radioactive-asset Maduro and the oil will stop flowing.

So, well, what it means is: first, the US are using the death-by-multiple-cuts against Maduro. Secondly, Cuba will have to drop Maduro and strike a discreet deal with J. Guaido and the US. A deal that would maintain some, enough, oil shipments to Cuba, with Guaido accepting to honor some of the current contracts.

In exchange, Cuba will quite possibly have to recall or rein-in their (allegedly) 22.000 soldiers or intel officers currently propping up Maduro. Matter of fact, Maduro has already guessed that, and therefore has replaced his Cuban bodyguards by Russian bodyguards, but, it will probably not suffice.

And so, one could guess that soon the Cuban soldiers and officers will sort-of stand down or just stop being efficient in Venezuela, and therefore Maduro and his 1500 Russian helpers in Venezuela could find themselves isolated and extremely vulnerable.
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If I was the president I would be telling Brazil and Colombia to starve out the venezuelan military then go in there and split the country down the middle amongst themselves with weapons we sell them. Absolutely no need for a single us soldier on the ground.

Colombia should declare their own version of a national emergency and take San Cristobal. They'd have an easy sell to their citizens the narrative being restoring the Colombia of the 1890s when Colombia included Venezuela Panama and Ecuador. Another 6 months of the soldiers eating garbage and there will be no resistance. Merida after that.
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All the countries down south have already said they've got no interest in war with Venezuela, though.

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(04-08-2019 09:22 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  All the countries down south have already said they've got no interest in war with Venezuela, though.

Nah. The translation is; "We want the US to do it for us because fuck that shit!"

Those guys couldn't launch an invasion of a fevela without a massacre of innocents and some believe they're capable of launching a coalition campaign into their neighbour? The only morons who do that shit these days are gringos and we have decades of experience to back it up.
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^^ Apples and oranges man, this is like saying the US can't invade Iraq or Syria because Chicago and Detroit are violent shitholes. The favela situation is due to endemic problems and political unwill from state governors to squeeze the criminal scum

Don't believe me? Look up the Haiti mission, we dealt with their thugs and left that miserable country a little better than it was before, starving commie soldiers won't be really much different

The reason Brazil and the rest of South America hesitates to invade Venezuela is not due to strength.
Brazil's main weak point is the air force, which we could easily compensate with a little Yankee hand, and then there is the Russia's and China's meddling, but I doubt they have the will and capability to project so much force so far alway from home
Anything just give them Syria, Ukraine and/or North Korea to shut their mouths

Reality is: We just don't like war, never had a real one in a long time; and most importantly, there is little to gain from so much money burnt, our crooked media is trying to destabilize Bolsonaro's government and our economy is not that good yet

The upside would be some oil and a controversial political victory? Yeah, fuck that shit, I agree
But Venezuela only tends to get worse, we and Colombia already had skirmishes involving refugee protesters and Chavista soldiers at our borders, more events like this and Maduro bullshitery could force our hand
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(04-11-2019 04:48 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:  ^^ Apples and oranges man, this is like saying the US can't invade Iraq or Syria because Chicago and Detroit are violent shitholes. The favela situation is due to endemic problems and political unwill from state governors to squeeze the criminal scum

Don't believe me? Look up the Haiti mission, we dealt with their thugs and left that miserable country a little better than it was before, starving commie soldiers won't be really much different

The reason Brazil and the rest of South America hesitates to invade Venezuela is not due to strength.
Brazil's main weak point is the air force, which we could easily compensate with a little Yankee hand, and then there is the Russia's and China's meddling, but I doubt they have the will and capability to project so much force so far alway from home
Anything just give them Syria, Ukraine and/or North Korea to shut their mouths

Reality is: We just don't like war, never had a real one in a long time; and most importantly, there is little to gain from so much money burnt, our crooked media is trying to destabilize Bolsonaro's government and our economy is not that good yet

The upside would be some oil and a controversial political victory? Yeah, fuck that shit, I agree
But Venezuela only tends to get worse, we and Colombia already had skirmishes involving refugee protesters and Chavista soldiers at our borders, more events like this and Maduro bullshitery could force our hand

Also you haven't had a big role where Brasil carried the fight since yall fucked Paraguay's shit up back in the Empire days. The only thing that sated yall's blood lust was Rutherford B. Hayes of all people.
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(04-11-2019 04:48 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:  ^^ Apples and oranges man, this is like saying the US can't invade Iraq or Syria because Chicago and Detroit are violent shitholes. The favela situation is due to endemic problems and political unwill from state governors to squeeze the criminal scum

Don't believe me? Look up the Haiti mission, we dealt with their thugs and left that miserable country a little better than it was before, starving commie soldiers won't be really much different

The reason Brazil and the rest of South America hesitates to invade Venezuela is not due to strength.
Brazil's main weak point is the air force, which we could easily compensate with a little Yankee hand, and then there is the Russia's and China's meddling, but I doubt they have the will and capability to project so much force so far alway from home
Anything just give them Syria, Ukraine and/or North Korea to shut their mouths

Reality is: We just don't like war, never had a real one in a long time; and most importantly, there is little to gain from so much money burnt, our crooked media is trying to destabilize Bolsonaro's government and our economy is not that good yet

The upside would be some oil and a controversial political victory? Yeah, fuck that shit, I agree
But Venezuela only tends to get worse, we and Colombia already had skirmishes involving refugee protesters and Chavista soldiers at our borders, more events like this and Maduro bullshitery could force our hand

The US relying on Brazil and Colombia is laughable. I'm not doubting your ability to fight as soldiers but demanding two SA countries to team up with gringo town and bomb another SA country is asking for trouble.

The worst cities in the US dont compare to those ultra violent places in SA and last time I checked the US military hasn't gone in guns blazing to those cities because the gangs are tooled up and shooting anybody resembling a cop.

Can you point out a coalition of South American countries which invaded and held territory in a neighbour where they suffered losses and only left once rebuilding efforts were complete? You guys dont think like gringos so please enlighten me.

Look at the mess NATO is in and they have more in common with the US than you guys ever had and ever will. Afghanistan, Iraq? Libya? Syria? Do you want that risk where you go in as peacekeepers and aid givers but some groups dont see it that way?

That place is guaranteed to be worse than Syria.
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  The US relying on Brazil and Colombia is laughable. I'm not doubting your ability to fight as soldiers but demanding two SA countries to team up with gringo town and bomb another SA country is asking for trouble.
It's not a common situation but Maduro is forcing our hand, that's the point. Colombia and Brazil already got skin in the game with all the venezuelan refugees and shit going on at the border
Trump and Bolsonaro got good rapport going on, it's possible

(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  The worst cities in the US dont compare to those ultra violent places in SA and last time I checked the US military hasn't gone in guns blazing to those cities because the gangs are tooled up and shooting anybody resembling a cop.
If you wanted to do it, you could
Every decade or so our armed forces kick the shit out of the drug cartels, but as soon as they leave the place the thugs come back
Army generals just don't like using their resources to play whack-a-mole with low tier scum, that's it. Blame police and governors

(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Look at the mess NATO is in and they have more in common with the US than you guys ever had and ever will. Afghanistan, Iraq? Libya? Syria? Do you want that risk where you go in as peacekeepers and aid givers but some groups dont see it that way?

That place is guaranteed to be worse than Syria.
I don't think anyone has the minimal obligation to invade that place, if you are american and don't want an intervention, by all means pressure your government to stay out. That also goes for all members of NATO. NeoCon warmongering is bad, I'm with you on that

Let's be honest, though, Venezuela is only going to get worse. That moustache asshole seems willing to take his commie administration doctrine to the bitter end
Sooner or later that shit will have to be solved, either diplomatically or.. you know
04-12-2019 10:44 AM
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
South America is riddled with narco-gangs that operate as paramilitary organisations, and that's during peace time.

Fat, comfortable Americans don't have the slightest clue why their invasions into third world shitholes always end up a total clusterfuck.

They think "if I would rather sit on my ass and eat Cheetos than fight a war then surely dirt people will also sit on their ass and eat Cheetos rather than fight a war."

How about some foreigner drops a 250 pound bomb on your Dad for having the audacity to stand within a hundred yards of a military checkpoint?

Would you put your fucking Cheetos down for that?

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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(04-12-2019 10:44 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  The US relying on Brazil and Colombia is laughable. I'm not doubting your ability to fight as soldiers but demanding two SA countries to team up with gringo town and bomb another SA country is asking for trouble.
It's not a common situation but Maduro is forcing our hand, that's the point. Colombia and Brazil already got skin in the game with all the venezuelan refugees and shit going on at the border
Trump and Bolsonaro got good rapport going on, it's possible

(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  The worst cities in the US dont compare to those ultra violent places in SA and last time I checked the US military hasn't gone in guns blazing to those cities because the gangs are tooled up and shooting anybody resembling a cop.
If you wanted to do it, you could
Every decade or so our armed forces kick the shit out of the drug cartels, but as soon as they leave the place the thugs come back
Army generals just don't like using their resources to play whack-a-mole with low tier scum, that's it. Blame police and governors

(04-12-2019 06:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Look at the mess NATO is in and they have more in common with the US than you guys ever had and ever will. Afghanistan, Iraq? Libya? Syria? Do you want that risk where you go in as peacekeepers and aid givers but some groups dont see it that way?

That place is guaranteed to be worse than Syria.
I don't think anyone has the minimal obligation to invade that place, if you are american and don't want an intervention, by all means pressure your government to stay out. That also goes for all members of NATO. NeoCon warmongering is bad, I'm with you on that

Let's be honest, though, Venezuela is only going to get worse. That moustache asshole seems willing to take his commie administration doctrine to the bitter end
Sooner or later that shit will have to be solved, either diplomatically or.. you know

Prior to Iraq 2.0 there were many against it in Europe and we still went along with it. The evidence was cooked and dissenters were silenced. A man called Dr Kelly was suicided because he was a very professional, articulate and intelligent man and he was a major problem.

To this day his death remains a suicide like many before and after him when they chose to stand in front of the war machine.

The cartels are not like a country but they serve a purpose. If there are likeminded men after money and power then they will band together to fight for that power. To stop the cartels is to merely kill the men and women of those groups but it wont stop the cause of them.

Colombians and Brazilians should not go in with the US on this otherwise it will end up as a disaster for them.

Let the yanks make another fuck up on their own.
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
(04-12-2019 10:49 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  South America is riddled with narco-gangs that operate as paramilitary organisations, and that's during peace time.

Fat, comfortable Americans don't have the slightest clue why their invasions into third world shitholes always end up a total clusterfuck.

They think "if I would rather sit on my ass and eat Cheetos than fight a war then surely dirt people will also sit on their ass and eat Cheetos rather than fight a war."

How about some foreigner drops a 250 pound bomb on your Dad for having the audacity to stand within a hundred yards of a military checkpoint?

Would you put your fucking Cheetos down for that?

Its more accurate to see South America to be in the midst of a low-level insurgency or civil war.

Most of the "Murders" are deaths as a result of the war between those various groups.

Its only a redefinition of the real thing.

A sign that the states aren't truly in control or truly have secured their rule. Because a state is by definition a monopoly of violence..
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RE: Venezuela is collapsing
Enjoying the thread, just out of curosity has anyone posting here been to Venezeula in the past 5 years? I am not one to pretend to have any of the answer's on how to resolve this matter it's a royal mess. However, being there on the ground and interacting in the daily life you get another perspective most dont, can't but hope this shit gets resolved soon.
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