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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Pro:

You'll be hungry to go out and pursue girls for sex

Con:

When you do have sex, you'll nut in 26 seconds

When I'm with a girl, I want her to enjoy it. I don't give a fuck if that sounds "beta" or not. The way I see it, a satisfied customer always returns. If it's over before it begins, neither of us enjoy it. The momentary pleasure you get from shooting your wad will quickly be replaced by feeling awkward and embarrassed. Now your mileage may vary, but to me that's not a good trade off. I think it's better to "clean the pipes" before a hookup to insure you have a better chance of being able to bring your "A" game, especially if it's your first time at bat.

If you've been seeing the chick for a while, you don't have to worry about it as much. In fact, I've had a girl not feel "pretty" because she thought I took too long to cum and believed if I had been more attracted to her, I wouldn't have been able to pound her out as long. She actually liked it when I'd sometimes cum quickly because she felt it meant I wanted her more when I did.

Bottom line: I'm not going to tell anyone how to live their life. If no-fap works for you, great. Personally, I've not experienced any negative repercussions from getting laid or fapping and as they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
I don't know about you guys, but I have real trouble sleeping if I don't jerk off before hand. I use it like a sleeping pill and it works like a charm.

Also. I heard anecdotally that jerking off to the point just before you cum and then stopping increases your testosterone levels. Apparently Scharwznegger would do this before he worked out.

I also think a con for noobs like me is that when your balls are ready to burst and you're horny, you're not going to find it as easy to react to women with an abundance mentality. I think its a valuable thing to know that you can go home and jerk off and it will feel vaguely similar to having a chick do it. Makes me less concerned about hooking one and ipso facto better at it!
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Quote:You'll be hungry to go out and pursue girls for sex.

People say this, but I've never found this to be the case with stopping masturbation. However this might be because "pursuing" girls has by and large never resulted in anything but wasted time for me.

I do feel better overall if I don't do it, though. Somehow you lose some kind of vital energy afterwards.

If only you knew how bad things really are.
07-30-2016 07:31 PM
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about not jerking off as a means of developing strength. I find from personal experience this is valid. But I've also read that not cumming at least 20 times per month increases the risk of prostate cancer. So, I'm sure there's some sort of balance to be struck.

Thoughts?

With all things there's a balance IMO.

I think OVEREJACULATION rather than too much sex is the problem.
And yes there is a set number of times you should/shouldn't ejaculate each month, acc to Chinese medicine. (Deps on your age). Which I think makes sense on the topic.

I think its a sign of a sad society when grown adults are "forced" to jerk off and watch porn so much.
Esp when they spend time and money in clubs and the like, listening to music which is all about fucking. Perhaps the most fucked up society worldwide in this is Japan. I remember reading about young Japanese who have given up on the idea of sexual relationships. I mean how fucked up is that!

Meeting the opp sex and fucking are almost as important as food and water. I don't understand how people can choose celibacy or "chicken choking" for any length of time.
07-30-2016 07:47 PM
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
I've heard No Fap causes a phenomenal increase in Testosterone after seven days of abstinence, but it's temporary. After the seventh day, the body goes back to normal. So, abstain for seven days to enjoy the high, then Fap to restart the process. Dunno about the prostate cancer risk, though.
07-30-2016 10:32 PM
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(05-19-2016 06:58 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  ...internet porn, which I think is the real culprit behind the "negative effects of masturbation".

I agree.

There is probably a "natural rate" of jerking off due to human physiology and psychology. Forcibly deviating from that in either direction is probably detrimental.

Porn pushes it well beyond natural levels -- if you can't jerk off to the mere thought or picture alone of a girl you like, and you're instead stimulating yourself with multiple porn videos at once, you're clearly in a similar territory as the drug junkie is.

Likewise, if you're in physical discomfort, distracted, or irritable etc because you're imposing an unconditional no fap rule on yourself, you're not doing yourself any favours either.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Phoenix just touched on it.

Jacking constantly to internet porn fucks with your internal dopamine rewards circuits. Jacking to the mental wank bank is different because it's a "naturally evolved" source of material in comparison.

I can offer results from my own experience.

Some guys seem to be in denial about their relationship with internet porn. It's highly addictive and extremely difficult to break out of the habit. It was so difficult for me that I was in denial about its destructiveness in my life for years and years and I considered it just a normal part of 21st century masculinity.

I've not masturbated to porn in 6 months, and not masturbated at all in about 5 months. I've seen no noticeable increase in strength or aggression with my weight training and boxing.

I was doing the 5x5 lifting regime a couple of years ago and jacking a lot each week. My strength increased substantially. So in my experience there is no solid relationship between jacking and increasing strength.

However, I have gained tremendously in other areas. My mentality has drastically improved. My personal psychology has come on leaps and bounds and I am getting good at boxing - which is primarily a mental sport.

My aggression/manliness around women has greatly improved. I feel like "the real deal", not some incel loser wanker, jacking on his computer every day. Anyway I'm not here to extol the virtues of nofap - but I have to say it has changed my life. So please forgive my evangelism. If you need help with nofap please reach out to me via PM
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Yeah I think limiting porn is the key with this.

I notice when I'm not watching porn jerking off comes to rest at a natural healthy level that usually gives me a few days of building up testosterone/libido which can be fuel for girls and life etc.

It's the daily porn use that fucks you, and the weird effect that has on your dopamine/reward system. not jerking off itself.

Limit/remove porn and your biology finds a nice equilibrium.

Good porn once in a while is awesome though. Can give you inspiration and references. But every day is definitely unhealthy IMO.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(08-14-2016 05:13 PM)RichieP Wrote:  Yeah I think limiting porn is the key with this.

I notice when I'm not watching porn jerking off comes to rest at a natural healthy level that usually gives me a few days of building up testosterone/libido which can be fuel for girls and life etc.

It's the daily porn use that fucks you, and the weird effect that has on your dopamine/reward system. not jerking off itself.

Limit/remove porn and your biology finds a nice equilibrium.

Good porn once in a while is awesome though. Can give you inspiration and references. But every day is definitely unhealthy IMO.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. BUT - in practice, what do you jerk off to? This is a legitimate question for me - I'm trying to wean off porn but don't know a good transition source. Instagram? Real girls on facebook? Softcore nudes? I'm guessing ideally the end state is using your imagination of girls you are already fucking.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Why do you need a 2d visual image at all? How about memories, fantasies, or some combination thereof. Imagination man!

I think the main benefit is getting off the reliance on photos/video. Like, just go straight to staring at the ceiling or closing your eyes. Is it challenging to make that leap? I would think after a few days you'd adjust, and feel a whole lot better.

Just my 2c though, having not struggled with addiction issues etc in this area.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
I'm just over 3 weeks without fapping and the most noticable thing thats changed is how much deeper my voice has gotten, esspecially around girls. It seems I'm a lot more relaxed when i speak, specifically english since its spoken through the throat.

Then again the relaxation may be attributed to the notorious flatlining that comes with no fap.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(08-14-2016 05:13 PM)RichieP Wrote:  Yeah I think limiting porn is the key with this.

I notice when I'm not watching porn jerking off comes to rest at a natural healthy level that usually gives me a few days of building up testosterone/libido which can be fuel for girls and life etc.

It's the daily porn use that fucks you, and the weird effect that has on your dopamine/reward system. not jerking off itself.

Limit/remove porn and your biology finds a nice equilibrium.

Good porn once in a while is awesome though. Can give you inspiration and references. But every day is definitely unhealthy IMO.

The porn vs. how often debate is similar to the quality vs. quantity of foods debate with dieting. Get rid of the porn, and you'll naturally jerk less. Eat healthy food and you'll start to naturally eat less calories. There's really no reason to watch porn ever. It's never good. Poison in a small dose is still poison.

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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Do you non-fappers also abstain from sex? If you're coherent you should be chaste.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
"Thoughts"

If I remember correctly it was Andrew Carnegie and Napolean Hill (among other famous successful business men too), they recommend redirecting your thoughts whenever you feel horny, you stop your thoughts of sex and re-direct the energy towards thinking about business, making money, and other things more productive.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(05-18-2016 06:17 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  Do you have a link?

Dupe. Rex's link is just one, but there is a lot of research around this. I think there is a balance, and a sweet spot of the amount of ejaculation per month. Personally I think the time and de-sensitivity from porn is the biggest detriment to mens libido.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Quick poll, wondering how long people last in general here [with any sex act]. I had to start and stop a few times recently with a girl good at blowin', and it was 2 days from last ejaculation ... I barely lasted 3 minutes, until I just said fuck it and let fly.

The only time I'd last super long was if I came the night before and in the morning, got back at it. I always feel like it's risky to cum and then try to get it back up, because I feel like I'd have to wait a bit 20-30 minutes, then have a lot of time filler ... plus, at that point a lot of times, you just don't care , haaa
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
The no fap thing works for me. As others have said no fap will force u to approach more girls. I also found that it helps reduce approach anxiety because u no longer have the crutch of fapping to porn. After say 7 days of no fap u will be so horny u do not care at all about being rejected by a girl ,you will simply move to opening another girl as quickly as possible.

One problem with no fap is that u will lower your standards regarding women and will be much more likely to bang very marginal girls just to get a release.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
I think a sign of a disciplined man, is to not masturbate, I mean isn't that what wet behind the ears college kids are doing, as a man you need to become mature, and begin directing energy into other persuits which you now need as you no longer living out of someone else bank account like you was when you was 18. One area of life that every man should be correcting is their physical fitness/strength. This in my opinion simply empitomises masculinity and this is where your sexual energy can go. I have stopped masturbating a couple weeks ago and I have seen massive increases in my workouts, that along with cold showers.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(01-02-2017 05:14 AM)The Right Frame Wrote:  One problem with no fap is that u will lower your standards regarding women and will be much more likely to bang very marginal girls just to get a release.

Darn, I just realized that happened to me last month. Many days without releasing and wanted to bang this chubby girl so badly Confused
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
Like other guys have said there are serious benefits to NOFAP. Not watching porn is where most of the benefits come from. Porn is toxic to a man's proper mindset.

Masturbating without porn when done in moderation, like once a week or so, is probably ideal for somebody that doesn't currently have girlfriends to get them off. When I tried not to fap whatsoever without any fuck buddies it was a disaster. When I did infrequently get laid I would cum so quick it was ridiculous. With one girl I couldn't even last long enough to get my dick in her mouth. I was so horny the anticipation of almost getting a blow job was too much.

Sorry but that shit is wack. No man should embarrass himself like that. Preferably get some fuck buddies, but if that fails wack it every once in a while so you don't make a fool out of yourself when you finally do get some puss.
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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
I hope the guys posting here realise there is a huge master thread over 100 pages long on NoFap in the lifestyle section:


NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12879.html



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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
All in your head. There's no benefit. If anything it will suppress your test levels long term. If you don't feel a regular need for release your test levels are probably shit. The highest mine have ever been (naturally) in my life there wasn't a choice - it was bang girl if available or fap. From what I've heard, guys who are on injectable test (not trt) would pretty much fuck a hole in the wall if they had to.
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(01-12-2017 05:09 AM)Razor Beast Wrote:  All in your head. There's no benefit. If anything it will suppress your test levels long term. If you don't feel a regular need for release your test levels are probably shit. The highest mine have ever been (naturally) in my life there wasn't a choice - it was bang girl if available or fap. From what I've heard, guys who are on injectable test (not trt) would pretty much fuck a hole in the wall if they had to.

Now imagine if you could transmute that intense need into something more worthwhile than jerking off....

That is what no fap is about to me.

Agree with Merc, this thread is pretty much a dupe.

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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(08-19-2016 07:37 PM)RichieP Wrote:  Why do you need a 2d visual image at all? How about memories, fantasies, or some combination thereof. Imagination man!

I think the main benefit is getting off the reliance on photos/video. Like, just go straight to staring at the ceiling or closing your eyes. Is it challenging to make that leap? I would think after a few days you'd adjust, and feel a whole lot better.

Just my 2c though, having not struggled with addiction issues etc in this area.

Memories are not good. Fapping to a memory is like nostalgia; it's not a constructive way of thinking. Better to fap to an actual prospect (forward fantasy), if at all.

Does no fap mean no ejaculation or does it mean not even touching yourself? I can do the latter for extended periods of time without coming.

I grew up as a big time fapper to the extent that it was alien to me that actual women were to have sex with. (Matt Forney talks about something similar in an article entitled "Generation Masturbation".) Things have changed since I was introduced to the manosphere but I still think one reason that I and a lot of men like me are not so successful with women is that they don't channel their sexual intentions in the right way. Instead of thinking "I want to see this girl naked and stick my dick into her" when interacting with a desirable woman, they have a vague and formless thought in their minds that translates to a kind of needy and boring clinginess that creeps out the girl. And these vague and formless thoughts come from the same part of the brain that have been trained by years of porn and masturbation. (Mental masturbation, simply put.) Any thoughts?

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RE: No fap cost/benefit analysis
(01-14-2017 10:31 AM)duedue Wrote:  I still think one reason that I and a lot of men like me are not so successful with women is that they don't channel their sexual intentions in the right way. Instead of thinking "I want to see this girl naked and stick my dick into her" when interacting with a desirable woman, they have a vague and formless thought in their minds that translates to a kind of needy and boring clinginess that creeps out the girl. And these vague and formless thoughts come from the same part of the brain that have been trained by years of porn and masturbation.

So true ^

I've noticed too much fap decreases my animalistic instinctual desire, and too often in the past I could simply "take it or leave it" with girls, simply not thirsty enough, and I suspect it's because I became too reliant upon the fap as some sort of contingency plan for not getting laid.

No fap tends to crystalise and simplify everything for me... I think it's actually a great idea to walk around with a loaded gun. If when it comes time for action you really think you're about to erupt much too quick Mt Vesuvius style then just excuse yourself to the bathroom and pop a shot off, then wait a bit to regenerate and boom you're ready for some foreplay and gametime.
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