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Reinhold Messner is by most expert accounts the greatest mountaineer in history.

"Messner's career spans a hundred expeditions and 3,500 rock climbs. He was the first to top all 14 of the world's 8,000-meter summits, and the first, with partner Peter Habeler, to scale Everest without the use of bottled oxygen. In 1980 he again climbed Everest without bottled oxygen, but that time he did it solo, taking a never-before-climbed route and finishing in only four days – arguably the most astounding feat in mountaineering history. He set new technical standards, pioneering fast solo ascents – often on new routes – of Himalayan giants that had previously been climbed only by huge teams using slow siege tactics and armies of porters. And he disdained supplemental oxygen in an era when it was considered suicidal to climb without it. Ascending into the Death Zone without an oxygen tank is a ballsy move even today, but in 1978 Messner might as well have been telling people that he was going to explore the wreckage of the Titanic without SCUBA gear."

This is the photo of Reinhold Messner:
[Image: Andreas_H_Bitesnich_Reinhold_Messner_Firmian_2009.jpg]

This is the photo of Maria Strydom:
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I read somewhere that most climbers die on the descent after summiting Everest. They wear themselves out getting there and collapse on the way back. Or, they fall and hurt themselves, fall off the mountain (it's like a 1,000 meter drop off of both sides of the South Ridge, if I understand correctly), or get caught in the weather and have to stop because they can't see where they're going and freeze to death. Several people have gone blind from the lack of oxygen or snow glare and had to sit down and die because everyone else in the party was too weak to guide them down.

She didn't even summit. She went into severe distress several hundred yards from the summit, turned back and made it back to Camp 4 (the highest camp) and breathed compressed oxygen for the rest of the night but still died by the next morning. That's some fairly severe altitude sickness. She didn't get caught in bad weather. Her body just couldn't handle it. It was beyond her physiological ability.

Did her veganism contribute to her death? I think that's an important question and her followers should be pushing for her to be autopsied to see if that's so.
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(05-23-2016 10:29 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 09:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  No fucking way!!! Are you serious? Is it possible to climb a mountain like that without climbing any other smaller ones first? How is that possible? Do you need to be somewhat near a world class athlete's level to pull it off or something similar? Could your average NFL or NBA player climb that thing without prior training?

I have learned alot about Everest and mountain climbing in general from this thread, keep it coming guys!
In order to climb the mountain you need a permit from either China (to climb from the northern side) or Nepal(from the south). Most people opt for the southern route. Permits are expensive, running many thousands of dollars. There are many guided tour companies. With them, all you have to do is show up with the equipment on the shopping list they provide you with, and they cover the rest. They get the permit, Sherpas, food logistics, shelter logistics, fix the ropes and ladders, etc. You just show up and do what they tell you when they tell you to do it. That will cost you a minimum of $50K. The alternative is to not spend the money, and go at it bare bones. You pay $10K to get on someone's permit, and you have minimal support. David Sharpe did that ten years ago. IIRC, he's still up there and has been spooning with green boots ever since. His death caused quite a stir about the callous attitudes up there and how people will ignore climbers in distress and clearly dying.

Just the cost alone is a roadblock for many people. But that cost also opens the door to the wealthy who do this as a way to one up their friends. Imagine some woman who married well. She's in her 40s. She's got money. One day she posts on her facebook a picture of the airstrip in Nepal. "Starting my big Everest adventure today. YOLO bitches. We'll do Chella VIP next year." To this her 9000 friends and beta orbiters reply "you go grrrl!!!"

That's interesting. Just to go to Tibet, the Chinese govt requires that you pass some kind of physical just to get the permission. My wife and I were looking at trying to go there and found that we needed to do a few things just to even go over there.

If you hired all those sherpas, how does that allow you to survive something that intense of you are not very athletic to begin with? Do they carry the rich people on their backs or a sled? What about that cold. Isn't the cold on par with the Arctic? Just from looking at all the comments, it appears that the small difference between Everest and the other 8K meter+ mountains makes a tremendously exponential difference. I would imagine someone might need years to prep for an attempt and might take a few tries before getting it.

That Sharpe comment was fucked up bro. According to some sites they say someone had moved Greensboots back in 2014 somewhere else or buried him.

Another thing I noticed is the large amount of amputations and frostbite stuff I am seeing on these documentaries. I kinda cannot help but feel like some of these men and women attempting these climbs are mentally off. Football, hockey, rugby, or MMA fighters are all kinda crazy in a way to like that much physical contact, but these guys seem more crazy than that to me. No MMA fighter is getting into the cage to fight with a leg, fingers, hands, nose, toes, etc. to be completely lost. Broken, sure but that can be fixed. No one is betting their body parts for keeps like these mountain climbers are. This mountain is no joke at all. Someone should tattoo a grim reaper with a scythe on the non-snowed side of Everest with cruise missiles as a stronger warning. Climbing past dead bodies does not seem to drive home the point at all.

I dropped this into a spreadsheet and sorted it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mo...the_summit

36 out of 209 people that climbed it more than once, ended up dying on the mountain or the ones around Everest. That's nuts. It really shows that you need alot of luck anytime you climb it.

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(05-23-2016 11:03 AM)Daddy Chains Wrote:  Reinhold Messner is by most expert accounts the greatest mountaineer in history.

"Messner's career spans a hundred expeditions and 3,500 rock climbs. He was the first to top all 14 of the world's 8,000-meter summits, and the first, with partner Peter Habeler, to scale Everest without the use of bottled oxygen. In 1980 he again climbed Everest without bottled oxygen, but that time he did it solo, taking a never-before-climbed route and finishing in only four days – arguably the most astounding feat in mountaineering history. He set new technical standards, pioneering fast solo ascents – often on new routes – of Himalayan giants that had previously been climbed only by huge teams using slow siege tactics and armies of porters. And he disdained supplemental oxygen in an era when it was considered suicidal to climb without it. Ascending into the Death Zone without an oxygen tank is a ballsy move even today, but in 1978 Messner might as well have been telling people that he was going to explore the wreckage of the Titanic without SCUBA gear."

This is the photo of Reinhold Messner:
[Image: Andreas_H_Bitesnich_Reinhold_Messner_Firmian_2009.jpg]


'nuff said.

Now this is a bad ass man!! Reading about his accomplishments is incredible and mindblowing. Thanks for sharing this. The hard truth is that for every bigger than life kind of man like this guy, there are millions of men who probably cannot do half of what he did. Crazy stuff.

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(05-23-2016 10:47 AM)Ringo Wrote:  It goes without saying that this forum has a lot of fascinating men who always come through with great information, but there’s a general pessimism and – as BB pointed out – dark desire to fit everything into a certain narrative that is depressing.

I disagree with your assessment.

Most peoples' negative feelings about veganism is in response to every vegan's implied, or directly stated, belief that they're morally superior to us because of their veganism.

It's similar to how hardly anyone on this forum will openly fat shame a quiet obese woman. But once she states, or implies, that she's being victimized by our preferences, we troll the shit out of her.
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(05-23-2016 11:23 AM)C-Note Wrote:  I read somewhere that most climbers die on the descent after summiting Everest. They wear themselves out getting there and collapse on the way back. Or, they fall and hurt themselves, fall off the mountain (it's like a 1,000 meter drop off of both sides of the South Ridge, if I understand correctly), or get caught in the weather and have to stop because they can't see where they're going and freeze to death. Several people have gone blind from the lack of oxygen or snow glare and had to sit down and die because everyone else in the party was too weak to guide them down.

She didn't even summit. She went into severe distress several hundred yards from the summit, turned back and made it back to Camp 4 (the highest camp) and breathed compressed oxygen for the rest of the night but still died by the next morning. That's some fairly severe altitude sickness. She didn't get caught in bad weather. Her body just couldn't handle it. It was beyond her physiological ability.

Did her veganism contribute to her death? I think that's an important question and her followers should be pushing for her to be autopsied to see if that's so.

So if you are going up there and realized you fucked up and cannot make it, what is the correct action to make after that? You cannot stop in the death zone and rest right? so do you just go down from of the death zone, then rest before going back down to the camp? If you change elevation too fast you kill yourself with the fluid going into the lungs right? So if you make a mistake doesn't it make sense to slowly go backwards? Or is it the case that if you were not strong enough to summit and come back without wearing out, you are just going to die eventually of altitude sickness regardless of making it to camp or not?

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(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

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(05-23-2016 12:04 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

Yes. Including Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Leonardo Davinci, NikolaTesla, Thomas Edison, Bernard Shaw -- among the few. But what is your point?
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(05-23-2016 12:17 PM)tanner Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:04 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

Yes. Including Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Leonardo Davinci, NikolaTesla, Thomas Edison, Bernard Shaw -- among the few. But what is your point?

You could have at least dropped Machiavelli in there for RVF street cred. Laugh

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She's a vegan, who also happens to be an idiot. I frankly don't see the point of this thread.

I'd wager that more meat-eaters die than vegans on Everest - oh my god, no one eat meat anymore!

Again, she's clearly an idiot.
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... the sarcasm starts. Hence I will bow out.
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(05-23-2016 12:17 PM)tanner Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:04 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

Yes. Including Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Leonardo Davinci, NikolaTesla, Thomas Edison, Bernard Shaw -- among the few. But what is your point?

My point was that the Beatles don't belong on this pantheon. As well, beatlemania was not just an organic phenomenon. Will start a thread down the road on the subject of the use of pop music as a social engineering tool (particularly in the 60s).

/tangent.

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There's another good movie, about the sherpas (16 died from a falling single block of ice in 2014).
It's called 'Sherpa', check it out if you can find it.

Everest is no joke, absolutely no joke. This woman tried to make it a joke, and paid for it.

I read somewhere that they have started cleaning up the bodies and trash, rolling them off cliffs to be buried in the snow below, etc. I don't know if it is true though. edit; Eco Everest is the group I believe.

edit; My dad and I had researched climbing Everest, back when we used to do lots of mountaineering together. Cost not included, we decided against it. Even though we had done a lot of climbs, this was something we would not attempt, besides, on an emotional level it would be horrific, "My son and I had climb Everest together, he is still there" or "My dad and I had climbed Everest, he is still there." -fuck that.

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(05-23-2016 12:17 PM)tanner Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 12:04 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

Yes. Including Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Leonardo Davinci, NikolaTesla, Thomas Edison, Bernard Shaw -- among the few. But what is your point?

Why not put Norman Borlaug on that IFL Science inspired list? He singlehandedly saved a billion lives, which is more than I can say about some noise on the radio. Last time I checked, even vegetarians need a farmer's production 3 times a day.

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(05-23-2016 09:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:00 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2012-20...eath-zone. It's 45 minutes in length.

An excellent documentary about the mountain and what happens when you tackle it ill prepared. It features a woman who tries to conquer the mountain with NO prior climbing experience.

Your link is broken I think. I will try to see if I can find it another way unless you can find it again.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2012-20...death-zone

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This thread has amazing info, it just confirms my decision to not get close to a mountain like that any time soon.

(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

I personally don't like them but have no problem with those who do as we all have different tastes and we're all free to choose our heroes, but "great thinkers"? They were a bunch of hippies that wrote a few catchy songs, how does this makes them "great thinkers"?
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(05-23-2016 02:10 PM)getdownonit Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 09:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 07:00 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2012-20...eath-zone. It's 45 minutes in length.

An excellent documentary about the mountain and what happens when you tackle it ill prepared. It features a woman who tries to conquer the mountain with NO prior climbing experience.

Your link is broken I think. I will try to see if I can find it another way unless you can find it again.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2012-20...death-zone

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Sweet. That worked thanks.

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(05-23-2016 11:52 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 11:23 AM)C-Note Wrote:  I read somewhere that most climbers die on the descent after summiting Everest. They wear themselves out getting there and collapse on the way back. Or, they fall and hurt themselves, fall off the mountain (it's like a 1,000 meter drop off of both sides of the South Ridge, if I understand correctly), or get caught in the weather and have to stop because they can't see where they're going and freeze to death. Several people have gone blind from the lack of oxygen or snow glare and had to sit down and die because everyone else in the party was too weak to guide them down.

She didn't even summit. She went into severe distress several hundred yards from the summit, turned back and made it back to Camp 4 (the highest camp) and breathed compressed oxygen for the rest of the night but still died by the next morning. That's some fairly severe altitude sickness. She didn't get caught in bad weather. Her body just couldn't handle it. It was beyond her physiological ability.

Did her veganism contribute to her death? I think that's an important question and her followers should be pushing for her to be autopsied to see if that's so.

So if you are going up there and realized you fucked up and cannot make it, what is the correct action to make after that? You cannot stop in the death zone and rest right? so do you just go down from of the death zone, then rest before going back down to the camp? If you change elevation too fast you kill yourself with the fluid going into the lungs right? So if you make a mistake doesn't it make sense to slowly go backwards? Or is it the case that if you were not strong enough to summit and come back without wearing out, you are just going to die eventually of altitude sickness regardless of making it to camp or not?

From what I understand, you have to get back down as fast as possible. If she could have made it through the night, then the Sherpas probably could have carried her down to Camp 3 or 2 the next day and she would have had a much better chance of survival. Maybe her constitution wasn't strong enough because she was a skinny vegan? I don't know.
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For those who have missed it - let me repost the two telltale photos.

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Just to clear something mentioned earlier, David Sharp is not greenboots man that is some other guy.David died near his dead body in Greenboots cave.There is doc on YouTube about Sharp death.
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(05-23-2016 12:17 PM)tanner Wrote:  
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(05-23-2016 07:43 AM)tanner Wrote:  Btw, I chose a vegetarian life style for about 30 years now -- influenced at first by the Beatles and then many other great thinkers.

Do you really think that the Beatles are "great thinkers"?

Yes. Including Einstein, Aristotle, Newton, Leonardo Davinci, NikolaTesla, Thomas Edison, Bernard Shaw -- among the few. But what is your point?

Please, anyone who comes up with a song like "Imagine" cannot be considered anything resembling a great thinker, let alone being included in your list of the worlds greatest scientists and philosophers. That's the problem in our celebrity obsessed culture, elevating these idiot pop stars to level of Einstein etc.

I've been on and off vegetarian for years (ovo-lacto-pescatarian, not vegan) and these vegi-nazis annoy the shit out of me. You want to be vegetarian, shut the fuck up about it, do it, and do it without being an asshole about it. I don't want to hear about how morally superior anyone is for eating processed soy bullshit instead of meat. Vegans are the absolute worst. That diet is the shittiest diet, save a diet based on Mcdonalds, Taco Bell or other horribly processed meat. Vegan in chief Bill Clinton looks like some starving kid from Africa thanks to his stupid diet. Anyone who avoids eggs and or fish based on some moral nonsense is an absolute fool. Think about it, nothing dies when you eat an egg or drink that glass of milk but somehow these idiots have convinced themselves that consuming anything that comes from an animal is unhealthy and immoral. For all the smug, self righteous vegi-nazis out there, consider this: Hitler was a vegetarian and he was a Nazi.
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RE: Woman climbs Mount Everest to prove vegans aren't weak, dies
300 climbers have died climbing Mt. Everest (notice you rarely hear of Sherpas dying).
One blonde, Western, Vegan female dies and its news.
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RE: Woman climbs Mount Everest to prove vegans aren't weak, dies
I've done a fair amount of mountain hiking in Central Europe and even something like that really forces you to respect the mountain. The deep valleys and rising jagged peaks, the sheer drops and little narrow trails that snake around the mountain that look as though they could collapse at any time. It really makes you respect nature and the power it holds.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who even attempts to climb Everest or any other mountain for that matter. But it seems like this women really underestimated what she was trying to do and paid for it with her life.
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(05-23-2016 06:20 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  For all the smug, self righteous vegi-nazis out there, consider this: Hitler was a vegetarian and he was a Nazi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl...etarianism

Wow - interesting.

I guess in some way you need to be righteous to have no doubt about what you are doing. I mean if you grew a conscience while doing shitty things to people, you might actually stop.

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