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(05-25-2016 09:27 AM)R_Niko Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 09:05 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  I guarantee you this guy wasn't in top shape, in command and in control, because if he was, she wouldn't even think about running around with her pals because she'd be too busy trying to keep him occupied being where the action is. When you're "frame" is right, you don't have to have these conversations.


Maintaining frame for thirty years just sounds tiresome and not worth it.

It's not like putting on a show, like a capuchin monkey every single day. Being single is close to that. If you pick a wife with the correct values and lay the foundation from the beginning, only minor corrections are needed every blue moon.

If you find yourself having to correct or admonish a woman you are dating regularly, cut her loose or downgrade her on your dating status because that is not wife material at all.

If you pay attention from day one, you will know what you are dealing with well in advance.

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I guess the key here is to manage outside influence. Find like couples who are interesting and upstanding, and maybe your female relatives. For a selfish slut like the one in the story who puts her short-term pleasure above the welfare of her children and husbands, managing the social circle is the key.

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(05-25-2016 02:35 PM)EDantes Wrote:  Just a typical sugar daddy; had money but no "game" or self respect, invited a gold-digger into his house who was married to his wallet, didn't know how to lay down the laws so had no choice but to let his wife do whatever she wants to on his dime or he gets no pussy.

Some old school rules of the game always hold true. Marrying a hoe/Turning a hoe into a housewife is definitely one of them. Even if she isn't cheating during the early years, a woman whose eyes wander like mentioned in this thread earlier, will falter eventually. It's just a matter of time. This guy's frame is so lame, he may have been cheated upon without his knowledge many years ago. For all we know, his cognizance of this problem actually started 30 years in, not when the woman went south.

When dudes tell stories about their relationship issues with a woman (especially a wife), never take their word for when the bad problems started. That's usually when they just noticed. Their lack of solid game or principles will reveal when the problem started, the more of the story they tell.

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Idk if his grandmother gave him this advice too, but mine always told me to look at the way a woman treats her mother,

same way she is with her family she'll be with you on the long run, before I even consider about a LTR, I really have to meet the girls family and see how she is with them.

These days beeing 19 gives me the feeling that by the time I decide to have a family, this kind of girl will be a extinct race.
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(05-25-2016 02:34 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  That's what HER family is for. Society cannot raise your children or control your wife. Living in Saudi Arabia won't fix a bitch with a bad attitude. An intact family that raised a good daughter with the proper values makes all the difference in the world. I almost never have to jump on my wife over anything. Her parents will kick her ass before I can. If anything I have to keep a balanced eye on all of them. You cannot buy this and my best friends and their wives cannot shame my wife into any kind of behavior. No man in his right mind should choose a woman that has a dysfunctional/sheepish family over one that comes from a strong top-down disciplined one.

Again, family is responsible for raising, guiding, and teaching the next generation. Not society at large. Destroy the family and you destroy society. It does not work the other way around. This is not some chicken and the eqq question.

No argument on a good daughter raised within an intact family making a good wife, but how common are strong and intact families in a Western society today?

And even if you (generally speaking, not just you in particular) married a decent woman, for her family to retain their influence on your wife, you both would have to stay close to them and retain some aspects of their culture, wouldn't you?

The point in my post is this. Trying to start a strong and decent family on your own within a degenerate society seems like being on a small island getting battered by high waves. Can one man, even with strong conviction, protect his island (family) without drowning (getting overwhelmed) from stormy waters (degenerate influences from society at large)?

Why make your life harder by attempting this, when you can build a family within a cohesive family friendly society? (I'm not thinking Saudi Arabia here)

I'm not trying to make this a chicken vs egg issue, but I would think there has to be some synergy between the family and society. Take that "synergy" away, things have a higher chance of falling apart.
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(05-25-2016 10:43 AM)C-Note Wrote:  If she was going out to clubs and bars with her friends, she was also very likely starting to wear flashy clothes and makeup. This is a clear sign of a wandering eye, because it means she's peacocking for another mate. Every time I've seen this situation, the woman ended up cheating or leaving the husband.

On the money observation.

Quote:When that happens you've got to double-down on the dread game. Buy a new, custom-made suit and wear the hell out of it. Hit the gym harder. Start flirting a little more with her friends and other women (waitresses, etc) in front of her. Start staying out later with your bros at the strip club like Roosh mentioned. Put her in a defensive crouch by firmly criticizing her dedication to her household duties. Spin some plates if you aren't already. If that doesn't adjust her attitude, then tell her to fall in line. If that doesn't work, go ahead and start getting some of your plates ready to replace her, hide your assets, and start covering your ass, because she's going to leave or start slutting it up, or both.

(05-25-2016 11:21 AM)deerhunter Wrote:  C-note speaks the truth. I have been there. Most of you guys don't realize what hormonal change does to these women. mid to late 40's and shit gets screwy. Happened to my friends wife, partying non stop all of a sudden, hanging with lessbos. My wife was appalled by it. She pointed out that i wouldn't like her going out partying. My wife never wanted to go out at all.
Six months later a switch flipped in her brain. She was basically manic. Slept a couple of hours a night at best. Hit the gym more than ever. Impulse shopped like crazy. Dressed sluty. Wanted to go out every night and was angry when I refused. Sure as shit she started disappearing at night and taking strange cock.
5 years later my ex-wife is miserable and my 2 boys live with me. She rarely sees them. Has the gall to want to get back together. I am a happy man these days, marriage was awful in the end. Girlfriends treat a man way better than a wife does the majority of the time.
If I had it to do over i would have taken better care of separating assets and gotten out sooner.
I bet if the genders were flipped in the original letter the advice would have been way different. Not saying the advice is wrong I just see a lot of hypocrisy in these types of advice columns.

I don't agree with alot of this. Some of those tactics hardly work in marriage. Hormones (like women's sex peaks in the 40s) do not trump value systems, just elevate or accentuates the values they already had.

There is alot that can be fleshed out, but the most underlying issue I see is a lack of general submissiveness and a lack of ultimatum. Someone could look at my marriage from the outside and say stuff like "Gee Kai, that is a good tactic of not letting your wife have a bank account, a car, a job, or block bad influences, etc." I don't have to tell her I will send her back to China, if she steps out of line. She already knows this and does not require a reminder. That said, the option is always on the table and visible enough to notice.

The reality is that I honestly don't have to do very much to enforce any restrictions on her. She pretty much came pre-configured like this from her family. She asks me for permission before doing anything right off the bat. Makes it easy to keep things under control when I don't have to explain my decisions all the fucking time like I did with my previous marriage. If she wants something she asks. I know where she is at all times and she stays in her place and does not question me about my comings or goings. If I want to go outside with CleanSlate, I tell her I'm going out and she says okay. It does not matter where the fuck I'm going. That's none of her concern and she agrees. She refuses to want to associate with unmarried women with no children. I don't choose her friends. Women like that disgusts her. This is not something I "heard her say", this is something I have seen her do. I have seen her shame a high school classmate over something I wouldn't even bother to jump on someone about.

Alot of times we have to as men take the role of leadership far more seriously than we do in an applicatory sense. Leading by example and from the front, is more than just going to work or helping out around the house. Create an ethos. Create new mantras. Hold everyone accountable to conforming to it. We <family name> do things this way. We dress that way. We behave that way. Explain them and break it down. Demonstrate it everyday. Repetition is practice and practice makes perfect. Have more energy than the rest of the tribe and chase down things until completion. Followup on everyone's feelings to keep a pulse on them every blue moon. Learn how to replace a no or a decline with a correct substitute option. You cannot bring them your complaints without solutions, just like how we operate in this quadrant of the Manosphere. Solutions oriented thinking can go a long way.

Leadership is a deep subject. I'll keep it short and expand on the family bit I brought up earlier. My mother in law is here and she is ridiculously disciplined, old schooled minded, and traditional. She starts preparing the next meal after each meal. She cleans up everything and keeps the kid distracted while my pregnant wife naps or whatever. I thought at first, gee Chinese culture is a trip. Grandparents seem to be like slaves. Then it dawned on me after a while that my wife is mimicking her mother little bit more everyday. Eventually she told me she cannot wait to do the exact same thing for our grandkids. Once again, talk is cheap, but she is more on point than when I married her and she is learning alot. My mother in law is doing what her mother did. This is what a real matriarch does. They guide the next generation forward by using leadership. Society could not do this if we used Oprah's network to broadcast it.

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Fuck.

Getting.

Married.
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(05-25-2016 03:09 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 02:34 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  That's what HER family is for. Society cannot raise your children or control your wife. Living in Saudi Arabia won't fix a bitch with a bad attitude. An intact family that raised a good daughter with the proper values makes all the difference in the world. I almost never have to jump on my wife over anything. Her parents will kick her ass before I can. If anything I have to keep a balanced eye on all of them. You cannot buy this and my best friends and their wives cannot shame my wife into any kind of behavior. No man in his right mind should choose a woman that has a dysfunctional/sheepish family over one that comes from a strong top-down disciplined one.

Again, family is responsible for raising, guiding, and teaching the next generation. Not society at large. Destroy the family and you destroy society. It does not work the other way around. This is not some chicken and the eqq question.

No argument on a good daughter raised within an intact family making a good wife, but how common are strong and intact families in a Western society today?

And even if you (generally speaking, not just you in particular) married a decent woman, for her family to retain their influence on your wife, you both would have to stay close to them and retain some aspects of their culture, wouldn't you?

The point in my post is this. Trying to start a strong and decent family on your own within a degenerate society seems like being on a small island getting battered by high waves. Can one man, even with strong conviction, protect his island (family) without drowning (getting overwhelmed) from stormy waters (degenerate influences from society at large)?

Why make your life harder by attempting this, when you can build a family within a cohesive family friendly society? (I'm not thinking Saudi Arabia here)

I'm not trying to make this a chicken vs egg issue, but I would think there has to be some synergy between the family and society. Take that "synergy" away, things have a higher chance of falling apart.

1. They are not common in this society in my opinion. That could change or maybe never. All I know is that there are some on the Earth and that was good enough for me.

2. Yes, proximity matters. When we were alone certain little silliness would get annoying. When they are here, they all keep each other busy and out of my hair. I plan to let them live with me when they get too old, if I am still in the states or not. I see alot of value in that. They really don't need my help and they have enough of their own money and resources, but they help me in so many ways and I enjoy the wisdom they provide to me and the wife. Her dad always has a cool trick or two on electrical work or other DIY related things. I always enjoy drinking with him and hanging out too. There are many things in Chinese culture that I like. We find alot of common ground in those things. You marry a woman, you marry the culture she adheres to. That axiom is still true these days. Choose wisely.

3. We are all trailblazers right now. The Red Pill Movement, Neo-Masculinity, the Manosphere. This shit is pretty much uncharted territory. The Romans are kinda close but technology/globalism makes it still unique enough for differences to matter. What Roosh and other early redpillers have done got alot of us started, many more of us need to take up the torch and march out for more ground. We have to figure out how to live in a hypertechnology world with no almost no borders, and maintain some semblance of social normalcy. What the fringe loonies are calling "Traditional" is not a style really. It's the only way to live.

There are enough people on the planet to support via labor, the buffonery and degeneracy that it hasn't fallen apart yet. Does that help your family and mine? No, but someone has to try something to navigate through the uncharted water and create a system that can be passed down without alot of unnecessary religiousness or authoritarian controls. It might as well be us. We don't need Mormonism, Islam, or authoritarian governments to have successful families that last multiple generations. If it was so impossible to do this, why does some within the global elite have functioning families? They may not want yours to be blessed, but theirs are.

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Some excerpts from a previous post of mine on marriage; relevant for this thread:

The Black Knight Wrote:Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

[...]

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst

Source for full post: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54622...pid1258485
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(05-25-2016 03:09 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 02:34 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  That's what HER family is for. Society cannot raise your children or control your wife. Living in Saudi Arabia won't fix a bitch with a bad attitude. An intact family that raised a good daughter with the proper values makes all the difference in the world. I almost never have to jump on my wife over anything. Her parents will kick her ass before I can. If anything I have to keep a balanced eye on all of them. You cannot buy this and my best friends and their wives cannot shame my wife into any kind of behavior. No man in his right mind should choose a woman that has a dysfunctional/sheepish family over one that comes from a strong top-down disciplined one.

Again, family is responsible for raising, guiding, and teaching the next generation. Not society at large. Destroy the family and you destroy society. It does not work the other way around. This is not some chicken and the eqq question.

No argument on a good daughter raised within an intact family making a good wife, but how common are strong and intact families in a Western society today?

And even if you (generally speaking, not just you in particular) married a decent woman, for her family to retain their influence on your wife, you both would have to stay close to them and retain some aspects of their culture, wouldn't you?

The point in my post is this. Trying to start a strong and decent family on your own within a degenerate society seems like being on a small island getting battered by high waves. Can one man, even with strong conviction, protect his island (family) without drowning (getting overwhelmed) from stormy waters (degenerate influences from society at large)?

Why make your life harder by attempting this, when you can build a family within a cohesive family friendly society? (I'm not thinking Saudi Arabia here)

I'm not trying to make this a chicken vs egg issue, but I would think there has to be some synergy between the family and society. Take that "synergy" away, things have a higher chance of falling apart.

There's no doubt that the environment in which you're trying to have a family will have a great effect on how easy or difficult it will be to keep your family intact. Why do groups like the Amish, Mormons and Orthodox Jews have intact families with strong, traditional values while the rest of us living in the cesspool of modern American culture are fighting like hell to hold on to what we can or have decided to forgo having families all together. Sure a chick with a bad attitude will give you problems even in a traditional society but there are far less of those types of women in those societies because of the pressure applied to women in those societies to not be that way. There are countless examples of women raised in traditional, old school societies from good families who then come to modern day America and slowly get corrupted (my ex is exhibit A for that scenario).

Kai is right though, for anyone looking for a wife, you must choose very, very carefully, using all sorts of criteria and then pay very close attention to your marriage once you've decided on the one. I think that the odds of finding a proper woman to marry today are very slim due to the current environment. The powers that be passed laws to erode the family which began the erosion of society which then led to further erosion and destruction of families and so the vicious cycle goes on.
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(05-25-2016 02:49 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 02:35 PM)EDantes Wrote:  Just a typical sugar daddy; had money but no "game" or self respect, invited a gold-digger into his house who was married to his wallet, didn't know how to lay down the laws so had no choice but to let his wife do whatever she wants to on his dime or he gets no pussy.

Some old school rules of the game always hold true. Marrying a hoe/Turning a hoe into a housewife is definitely one of them. Even if she isn't cheating during the early years, a woman whose eyes wander like mentioned in this thread earlier, will falter eventually. It's just a matter of time. This guy's frame is so lame, he may have been cheated upon without his knowledge many years ago. For all we know, his cognizance of this problem actually started 30 years in, not when the woman went south.

When dudes tell stories about their relationship issues with a woman (especially a wife), never take their word for when the bad problems started. That's usually when they just noticed. Their lack of solid game or principles will reveal when the problem started, the more of the story they tell.
I believe you, I don't believe there's any way to "just notice" when the attraction is dead in a relationship. When there is no spontaneous attraction between the two and it has become just a pure "tit-for-tat", economic relationship then the attraction is dead; that's about as exciting to women as their "relationship" with their debt collector or grocery store cashier.

I think most of the guys who claim they "had no clue" are the same guys have to "ask" for sex for their birthday..
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(05-25-2016 03:26 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  ...

Super post TK.

For the sake of transferable knowledge for those looking to build a family as you are doing, I am sure I am not alone in the desire to read much more from you about the dynamics of your relationship, both in its current and developmental forms;

(how you met, set the tone of the relationship, handled any interpersonal tests, dealt with contextual/logistical challenges, offered her value, screened for behavioural / cognitive traits and moulded them where applicable, how you approached and expanded on the topics of living together / family / children... plus, what were the turning points or milestones in the relationship, what kind of activities you enjoyed together, what kind of value she has given you, what are the key factors behind your decision to choose her, what keeps you together, etc).

Respect.
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People here are saying:

Choose carefully who you marry: Well, the fact is most people will want to marry someone from within their own ethnic or social group. Getting married to a submissive girl from Thailand may not be aligned with many people's goals. I believe most men want to get married, which means many men will have to settle for 'average' girls instead of the 18 year old mormon virgin homemaker. Therefore, most men here will be marrying average normal western women. Advice about selecting carefully a partner doesnt hold.

Keep game and attraction levels up throughout marriage or into 50s: Attraction almost invariably tapers off, in their 40s and 50s most people are into their careers and family life. Sex will get boring with the same person. Men will gain weight and lose energy. Average guys will not consider hitting the gym 3 times a week and providing enough drama and entertainment just to keep the wife happy.

So what can be done here? Is it simply the case that many men will simply be divorced into their 40s and 50s at the whims of their wives.

What if that happens to you, and you lose your house and family? What would you do?

I dont think I would sit there and take it. I personally would be looking to hit back at the legal system/society that put me in this predicament.

Fuck being a 50 year old guy living alone in a flat separated from his wife and kids, having worked for 30 odd years to provide for them. I've seen a few guys in this position and their sadness/bitterness is written in their faces permanently. Many guys when they see such people think "My wife wont do that, that wont be me, I'm better than him, He's a loser". They look down on the guy instead of seeing that as men, we are all predisposed to this risk (barring the top 10% or so) these days.

Marriage is meant to be an economic and social thing. There needs to be deterrents to divorce. Men need to get together and create these deterrents. This is the only way.
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(05-25-2016 08:21 PM)Atheistani Wrote:  People here are saying:

Choose carefully who you marry: Well, the fact is most people will want to marry someone from within their own ethnic or social group. Getting married to a submissive girl from Thailand may not be aligned with many people's goals. I believe most men want to get married, which means many men will have to settle for 'average' girls instead of the 18 year old mormon virgin homemaker. Therefore, most men here will be marrying average normal western women. Advice about selecting carefully a partner doesnt hold.

Keep game and attraction levels up throughout marriage or into 50s: Attraction almost invariably tapers off, in their 40s and 50s most people are into their careers and family life. Sex will get boring with the same person. Men will gain weight and lose energy. Average guys will not consider hitting the gym 3 times a week and providing enough drama and entertainment just to keep the wife happy.

So what can be done here? Is it simply the case that many men will simply be divorced into their 40s and 50s at the whims of their wives.

What if that happens to you, and you lose your house and family? What would you do?

I dont think I would sit there and take it. I personally would be looking to hit back at the legal system/society that put me in this predicament.

Fuck being a 50 year old guy living alone in a flat separated from his wife and kids, having worked for 30 odd years to provide for them. I've seen a few guys in this position and their sadness/bitterness is written in their faces permanently. Many guys when they see such people think "My wife wont do that, that wont be me, I'm better than him, He's a loser". They look down on the guy instead of seeing that as men, we are all predisposed to this risk (barring the top 10% or so) these days.

Marriage is meant to be an economic and social thing. There needs to be deterrents to divorce. Men need to get together and create these deterrents. This is the only way.
You made good points; not to mention, have a hobby or passion outside of "work, wife, and kids" (preferably something conductive to male bonding).

I believe when guys have nothing else that makes them feel like a man they become more dependent on "women or sex" which can lead to a man becoming the bitch in the relationship if they aren't careful; something which women don't have to worry about nearly as much unless they're elderly.

But even then it's a lot easier for women to find feminine hobbies in their old age like raising pets, or shopping at the Dollar Store with their SSI checks, whereas an older man who loses his woman is much more screwed, unless he's rich enough to find some sugar baby or still in good shape enough to find some competitive or physical hobby.
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I seen this shit while growing up all the time. My mum was smart enough to only hang out with married women and said single women in their 30s+ are broken women. My parents are coming up to 50 years of being happily marriage.

If you want a serious relationship, head to the East and Live there. The odds are against you in the West! Women are weak creatures and follow what other women are doing. If she gets a job and she works with hoes, she will become one. Just stay away from the west it's way 2 topic these days!

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(05-25-2016 10:30 PM)muscless Wrote:  I seen this shit while growing up all the time. My mum was smart enough to only hang out with married women and said single women in their 30s+ are broken women. My parents are coming up to 50 years of being happily marriage.

If you want a serious relationship, head to the East and Live there. The odds are against you in the West! Women are weak creatures and follow what other women are doing. If she gets a job and she works with hoes, she will become one. Just stay away from the west it's way 2 topic these days!
That or become a Mormon:

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(05-25-2016 06:44 PM)Artiste Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 03:26 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  ...

Super post TK.

For the sake of transferable knowledge for those looking to build a family as you are doing, I am sure I am not alone in the desire to read much more from you about the dynamics of your relationship, both in its current and developmental forms;

(how you met, set the tone of the relationship, handled any interpersonal tests, dealt with contextual/logistical challenges, offered her value, screened for behavioural / cognitive traits and moulded them where applicable, how you approached and expanded on the topics of living together / family / children... plus, what were the turning points or milestones in the relationship, what kind of activities you enjoyed together, what kind of value she has given you, what are the key factors behind your decision to choose her, what keeps you together, etc).

Respect.

That is alot to collect or write brother. I want to write a book someday about red pill child raising for men, never thought about the wife side of it to that extent. You could search my old posts using the Google search feature at the top right of the forum window for: "Travelerkai" + "my wife"

or you can click this:

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=0126445502...gsc.page=1

Lots of various threads where I discuss my wife, etc.

You might want to read my datasheet below in my signature. It contains alot of what you are looking for, although it is focused on Chinese women. A good bit of the mindset and game parts are still very relevant to all women.

If you have more questions feel free to PM me. PMs are always welcomed.

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(05-25-2016 01:00 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Sure, the guy probably needed to pay more attention to what was going on in his marriage and he should have put his foot down on her going out but I'm not sure why he seems to be getting all of the blame here. This is the problem, these women are never told that they need to hold up their end of the bargain. If a women starts straying, its because the man isn't alpha enough, didn't pay attention etc, not because she's a piece of shit who doesn't understand or care about any of her husbands sacrifices for the family and decided to get influenced by all of the negative forces around her who tell her she's getting a raw deal by staying married to her loser husband.

I was married for 19 years and I employed asshole game, dread game, leadership game etc. I kept myself in great shape, looked way better than all of her friends husbands, bought the big house etc. She had everything she could have wanted. I never put up with any of her bs. I called out all of the negative influences around her and tortured her ass during the divorce by not leaving the house and sleeping in my bed in my master bedroom throughout the majority of it, over a year and a half. You know where all of that got me? It got me to the exact same spot as this guy and everyone else- divorced and my family blown up. Guys need to understand, like Clean Slate said, that it's impossible to keep your wife in check when all the outside influences are conspiring to undermine all of your efforts. In this case, I blame the woman who wanted to party, not the guy who was sacrificing everything to keep his family together.

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Doc came in and laid this thread to waste! I remember when I also taught that Game was enough to keep a chick in check. There's always a probability that your chick will act up, always. By keeping her in line like Doc did all these years, he just wasn't as miserable as this guy is, and will be, but the result is the same! I'm just starting to realize that we do what we have to do to get by!

This man did what he taught he had to do for his family, but simply had no clue of how the Hamster starts to act when they feel too secure. And how could he! We all have no chance in having "the lasting marriage" due to the society around us! Having game and frame just gives you the security of not feeling beyond fucked if your chick acts up. 3 years ago, I would have criticized this man harshly, but now I know that no one's immune to this when you yearn for a family
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(05-25-2016 10:39 PM)EDantes Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 10:30 PM)muscless Wrote:  I seen this shit while growing up all the time. My mum was smart enough to only hang out with married women and said single women in their 30s+ are broken women. My parents are coming up to 50 years of being happily marriage.

If you want a serious relationship, head to the East and Live there. The odds are against you in the West! Women are weak creatures and follow what other women are doing. If she gets a job and she works with hoes, she will become one. Just stay away from the west it's way 2 topic these days!
That or become a Mormon:

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Shit no homo... but I just get the vibe that this guy is packing major major Wood man! He's plowing them Hard since they're all happy & smiling compared to the miserable wives of the TLC guy. And the 2 women is Pink have licked each other's kitty box for sure I just know it!!
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Black Knight mentioned one of the key aspects that relates to preventing a wife from trading up or bailing out. Incentive.

If the husband is improving his prospects in life, and/or making shared goals of the couple a reality, the wife gains little from bailing out. She won't take the leap unless she's certain she'll land where she intends, eg: Wendy Deng. If the woman's goal become getting fucked by different guys from the club week and she's 35+ then she's given up on life and pleasing a man.

Basically it's to do with social mobility and progress in life. If the man stagnates the woman will go where she feels her goals can be met.
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(05-25-2016 01:00 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  In this case, I blame the woman who wanted to party, not the guy who was sacrificing everything to keep his family together.

Definitely.

It amazes me how far people will go to forgive a woman's sins, or to pretend they don't exist. The advisor won't hold her accountable for blowing up her family to party? What's left? I'm sure they'd find a way to blame the husband if she committed murder.

The entire reason for marriage is so you don't have to focus on gaming a woman. It frees your efforts for raising children. Game is replaced by vows. If we've reached a point where it's assumed that commitment and vows mean nothing, then there's literally no point to marriage.

And this again demonstrates that a woman's only morality is her own happiness. The only sin society will blame her for is not "following her heart" or "being true to herself" or "having the courage to be happy".

In conclusion, fuck this whore. I hope she gets AIDS from her partying and spends eternity in Hell.
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Fast forward a few years. Tired of being pumped and dumped by drunks, she will seek commitment only to find she has aged out of the ability to secure it. Then she will age out of the P&D as well and end up alone. He will recycle himself within five years, and she will be unhappy, lonely and filled with regret.
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(05-25-2016 08:35 AM)Alsos Wrote:  "my life partner and the amazing mother of our two children"

I think I see his problem.

Who was it that Tweeted: "Whenever I hear a man refer to his wife/gf/hoe as his 'partner,' I immediately tag him as an imbecile."

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30 years wife divorces husband to party - this shouldn't be surprising to anyone on this forum. There is plenty of evidence supporting that forever monogamy isn't natural for humans. Even if it was, it clearly doesn't work well in our current culture.

You've got to pragmatic about what marriage is. It is an unnecessary legal contract that favors the other party. It usually ends in divorce but even when it doesn't end the people are usually unhappy. Your first choice should be to avoid it. If you must get married then prepare for the worst as it is likely to happen.
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Once she had the urge to party, the relationship was probably done using this particular case. Lawyer up once you suspect any change in behaviour. We all know that family law isn't so kind to men. Try to get any edge you can so that you don't end up like him or worse.
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