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RE: Wim Hof Method
I gave the Wim Hof method an honest go for a month. I didn't buy the course but I did look on Reddit and watched a bunch of youtube videos to see what it was all about. It seemed to be basically cold ass showers and deep breathing exercises where you inhale a lot and exhale a little, then hold your breath.

For some reason, the combination of these two made me really, really dopey for an entire day. It was almost like I smoked weed. Apparently, there are other folks who had the same reaction. I quit doing them because I already have a pretty serious resistance to the cold.

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RE: Wim Hof Method
Here is a critical review :

http://www.thebroscientist.com/wim-hof-b...al-review/

Summary

"The Wim Hof method seems to be a very interesting new “toy” in the biohacker arsenal or just if you wanna try something different (and be “hip and cool”).

Here I reported a critical review of its merits and raised some questions. On his website, way too many claims are made as it concerns its benefits (auto-immune diseases healing, cardiovascular system strengthening, increase in brown fat to fight obesity, increased energy).

They have to sell something, of course. To their honour, they use the word “could” for many of the described benefits.

For one thing, this method might be useful for people with auto-immune diseases or chronic inflammation but more research has to be performed to say this as a certainty.

Be critical, check the papers mentioned in this post and my analysis and, as usual, see what best works for you.

As concerning people into bodybuilding and strength training I would not recommend this method, given the current evidence we have on the matter. The breathing technique might be fine but there is not enough data to draw conclusions."
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RE: Wim Hof Method
I've used for more than a year now.
The breathing technique, say 4 of 5 days a week.

I have adult ADHD and wim hof breathing helps me focus on my work on complex task such as programming.

I told about it to a friend of mine, who suffered from varicose veins, and she have reported to having the symptoms almost disappear. And also she swears by it as the best stress reducer method she has ever known.

As for the cold showers, I try them from time to time, and it helps me to reduce some belly fat.

That's all I can tell for now.
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RE: Wim Hof Method
I've seen this before, not taking anything away from it of course, if it works, it works.

But, you want to try a breathing exercise a female 'healer' showed me? Try this.

Put twenty minutes aside, in a quiet room with no distractions, get a bucket ( in case you puke, I haven't, but have coughed intensely ) a blanket for you to lie down on, and a couple of 3/4 inch cushions ( dollar stores have these ), and I've found putting something like a sleepmask and earplugs on, very helpful.

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^ This, but with palms facing up, no shoes or socks, put one cushion under your tailbone ( you'll need it ), and one under your head. Get whatever cream you have and slather on your tailbone ( I've had sessions where I've had a nice rash afterwards ).

****I'd not try this if you have health problems.****

Ok, you're ready to go.

Push your pelvis up and exhale, bring it down and inhale. Do this at a normal speed for a few breaths, not too slow, not too fast, nothing controlled, just in, out, in, out.

It's like starting a long jog, you start off medium slow, until the blood starts to flow and you can feel you're ready to kick it up a gear.

I find all sorts of weasels working their way in to my mind. I.e. "this is stupid, you probably look like an idiot, you're too tired for this right now"...bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. This is resistance "Level 1" my term, because I've experienced it every time. Just push through for 150 breaths, or five minutes.

I stop here and let my body catch up for the next round.

Your hands, feet and face should be tingling a lot.

Now, round two, exhale on the pelvis up, inhale on the pelvis down, and you'll find you're less careful about placing your tailbone on the cushion, that's fine, just do what you have to to get a rhythm going.

I guess this is the point. Push past the weasels etc and get a good rhythm going, I've got to the point where I'm in overdrive and almost banging my tailbone onto the cushion ( that's why the cream, no lubricant here and you'll end up with a rash or a cut ).

When I've done this properly I've gotten to a point where my belly feels like it's being pulled inward by some force. It is a very unique feeling, I've never experienced this before and made me think of the term 'fire in the belly'. It took about 15 minutes of intense breathing to get to this point, and I collapsed onto my side in the fetal position because my body had basically seized up. If you can get to this point, you'll notice your hands and feet will feel like they are electric, your face will be the same, you won't be able to stop your lips from pursing. Just stay there for a while and relax. Get up and see how things seem different. I usually feel more stoic, or serious, or spiritually elevated. It's like the exercise has blasted me out of my petty ego, temporarily.

This to me is Wim Hof on steroids.

Again, please don't try this if you have health issues.

Would someone try this please and report back? I'm curious to see what others experience of this intense breathing exercise is.
05-31-2018 10:31 AM
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If you really want to kill your ego, do this in a public park.

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I came across this. At 5:30 he shows a "Shamanic" ( lol ) breathing exercise. Funny term, BUT, holy smokes, that intensity of breathing for ten minutes at a time! at four times an hour? anyone want to try this and report back?



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I also went to a Wim Hof seminar in San Francisco. Jesus the crowd was a faggy bunch, and I was laughing inside at the usual cognitive dissonance of all these cheesy liberals hemming and hawing over Wim like some kind of guru even as he blatantly sexually harrassed women on stage repeatedly. You could tell he's pulling some tail out of his newfound fame, and while some of the shit he was saying seemed to be pulled directly out of his ass, his energy and passion is intoxicating.

As for his methods, I'm a believer. This book here, "What Doesn't Kill Us: How Freezing Water, Extreme Altitude, and Environmental Conditioning Will Renew Our Lost Evolutionary Strength," was a pretty convincing look at Wim's work that really sold me: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IIQQF2O/ref...TF8&btkr=1

The author makes his living writing about and debunking health and spiritual guru types who are making farfetched claims about whatever it is they're up to. He went to stay with Wim and learn his methods in hopes to prove him wrong - in the end he became a believer and followed Wim up Mount Kiliminjaro.

I can't remember the exact changes his body went through after a year of lightly maintaining the breathing practice and basic cold exposure after the expedition, as I haven't read the book in a while, but I do remember it was pretty mind blowing change for the amount of consistent effort he was putting in. I'll probably go read it again because it was a powerful enough anecdote that it got just about anyone's attention when I was describing Wim's work to them.

Anyhow, when I was back in the northernmost California mountains this last winter I was really starting to embrace the cold exposure, though I should have done the breathing more. Cryotherapy sessions (every single time I did a session, the attendants were amazed by how easily I took the blast of cold air), cold showers every morning, jumping in the river for swims, barefoot and shirtless hikes in the mountains, and jogging every frosty or rainy morning shirtless while gruff-looking old rednecks drove by gaping from inside their heavy jackets and knit caps, their heaters doubtlessly going full blast.

I didn't monitor what it did for me, healthwise, but all in all I can say it just makes me feel damn good to get out in the cold on a regular basis. I can't see how something that makes me that instantly, and naturally, high can't be having a big impact on my hormones and overall health. I know this is nothing more than a "feeling," but there it is regardless.

There are two other things I like about it that I rarely see discussed.

One, you just start to feel more capable and tough than other people. People gape at me and constantly tell me I'm crazy when I'm walking around in the cold frigid mountain air in a t-shirt while they're all bundled up, but the flip side is I can't help but see them as weaker than me...because, well, they are.

I don't know - I take a certain pride in being more resilient than the average man. Just as I take pride in being able to accomplish anything else in life that other folks can't.

And in a way, building up this physical resilience is an embrace of the ideas behind Stoic philosophy. I mean, I always find it ironic when men who are always espousing stoic philosophies, for example, shrug off cold exposure, claiming, "I'm just really sensitive to cold." With no self awareness in their excuses at all...

No, you're no more sensitive to cold than anyone else - it's not pleasant for anyone, at least at first. You're just weak and unconditioned in this regard and being a pussy about it.

All in all, I can wear jeans and a tshirt in the snow or the tropics and not whine or really feel uncomfortable at all, and other than that just being a practical skill to have, I feel it makes me just a little more of a man than a peer who's constantly bitching about the temperature and running back to the comfort and safety of an air conditioner or heater.

Two, what he's doing when he combines his breathing methods with the cold is a survival skill, if you think about it, especially if you ever spend time in extremely cold climes. There's great value in having the ability to withstand extremely low temperatures and perhaps even walk out of snow covered mountains in nothing but shoes and a pair of shorts should you ever end up in a sticky situation (not to mention his methods are also applicable to extremely hot environments).

In fact, I feel this skill should be taught to members of the military who might end up in cold places and perhaps anyone who lives in cold places at all where freezing to death is a real possibility.

I had plans to do a mountaineering expedition with Wim sometime this year, but since attending his workshop I've been more and more turned off by the "guru" vibe he keeps putting out on social media and the cultish behavior of his followers, so I'll probably give it a miss.

But I look forward to seeing where he and others take his findings in the future. I feel he's really stumbled upon something profound.

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RE: Wim Hof Method
Tried the Shamanic Breathing for about five minutes yesterday. Blacked-out three times.

Passing out, or blacking out is due to a cut-off of oxygen to the brain, but I'm hyper-ventilating, I have massive amounts of oxygen in my system.

I don't know why I'm passing out so easily.
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RE: Wim Hof Method
Had a good session yesterday.

- started with 150 pelvic thrusting breaths, as described above. The advantage of this breathing is it makes me cough out phlegm. I smoke a bit, so this does wonders.

- 5 minute break then breathing lying flat, no movement, deep in and deep out, this does something different. My hands and face were numb with electricity, so much oxygen I suppose.

- 5 minute break then shallow breathing, quick in and out, my throat started to close up and I couldn't breath fast enough which reminded me of sprinters and how sometimes they are *gasping* for air. This is interesting because I had to tilt my head back more to open the throat to get the air in and out at speed. Afterward, the usual numbed out face, hands, feet.

Felt good. I can only assume there must be a ton of health benefits to these exercises due to the huge amount of blood circulation going on. Plus, you don't have to run or swim or do anything really to get this massive circulation, just lie down and do it.
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(07-10-2018 12:04 PM)Zep Wrote:  Tried the Shamanic Breathing for about five minutes yesterday. Blacked-out three times.

Passing out, or blacking out is due to a cut-off of oxygen to the brain, but I'm hyper-ventilating, I have massive amounts of oxygen in my system.

I don't know why I'm passing out so easily.

Your body's oxygen needs are really low, if you breathed only for oxygen you'd only need to breathe once every minute.

You passed out because of the artificially(perhaps dangerously?) low carbon dioxide levels.
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(07-28-2018 02:35 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 12:04 PM)Zep Wrote:  Tried the Shamanic Breathing for about five minutes yesterday. Blacked-out three times.

Passing out, or blacking out is due to a cut-off of oxygen to the brain, but I'm hyper-ventilating, I have massive amounts of oxygen in my system.

I don't know why I'm passing out so easily.

Your body's oxygen needs are really low, if you breathed only for oxygen you'd only need to breathe once every minute.

You passed out because of the artificially(perhaps dangerously?) low carbon dioxide levels.

Thx for the reply.

I noticed that I black-out when I hold my breath with full lungs, and kind of push my lower rib cage out. It's like a pressure hits some kind of switch and out I go. I'm used to this btw, have been capable of this for years. After falling over straight onto the floor at least three times, I've managed to sense when it's coming on. Getting low to the ground helps, kind of explains why when Nick Diaz used to get hit hard, he'd get to the floor and stay there for a bit avoiding shots, it really is the best place to regain consciousness. He does this in his fight with Paul Daley, Daley catches him with a good shot and Diaz hangs about close to the matt, maybe getting blood back to the brain is what he's doing ... plus he's a great BJJ practioner.

This doesn't happen when I hold my breath when I've emptied my lungs of oxygen. After the hard breathing yesterday I could hold my breath after a full exhale for about one minute. I never black out.
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Blacked out three times over the years while standing up? What were you doing at the time? Exercising? MMA training?
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(07-28-2018 06:09 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Blacked out three times over the years while standing up? What were you doing at the time? Exercising? MMA training?

No, no training or anything. I can just get up for instance and fill my lungs to capacity, then swallow air to really expand my rib-cage and I can feel myself passing out. Before I didn't know where I'd end up ( on the ground ), so now I know when to release, sometimes I have to take a knee to regain balance.

I don't know what's going on really. Is this a blood-pressure issue? a brain issue?

Edit: I just found this -

Quote:Syncope refers to a temporary loss of consciousness usually related to temporary insufficient blood flow to the brain — a fainting spell. It may be caused by many different factors including emotional stress, pooling of blood in the legs due to sudden changes in body position, or heavy sweating. Syncope may occur during violent coughing spells (especially in men) because of rapid changes in blood pressure. It also may result from a number of heart and lung disorders.

What is neurally mediated syncope?
Neurally mediated syncope (NMS) is called also neurocardiogenic, vasovagal, vasodepressor or reflex mediated syncope
It is a benign form of fainting that's common in children and teenagers;
although it can occur at any age. NMS occurs because blood pressure drops, reducing circulation to the brain and causing loss of consciousness.

Other causes of syncope are : low blood pressure, dieting or hunger; petit mal seizues; hypoglycemic episodes; execessive losss of weight;
and the more serious condition of epilepsy.

I think it's this, a rapid change in blood pressure. Also, I have low blood pressure and under eat...so, this seems to explain things for now.

Edit Again: the symptoms of Hypoglycemia ( not Hyperglycemia ) sound familiar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia

Quote:Central nervous system

Abnormal thinking, impaired judgment
Nonspecific dysphoria, moodiness, depression, crying, exaggerated concerns
Feeling of numbness, pins and needles (paresthesia)
Negativism, irritability, belligerence, combativeness, rage
Personality change, emotional lability
Fatigue, weakness, apathy, lethargy, daydreaming, sleep
Confusion, memory loss, lightheadedness or dizziness, delirium
Staring, glassy look, blurred vision, double vision
Flashes of light in the field of vision
Automatic behavior, also known as automatism
Difficulty speaking, slurred speech
Ataxia, incoordination, sometimes mistaken for drunkenness
Focal or general motor deficit, paralysis, hemiparesis
Headache
Stupor, coma, abnormal breathing
Generalized or focal seizures

there are enough of these that I'd score at around 6 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Hmmm.
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^ Talk to a doctor, man. That sounds a little odd.

You might also look into Dr. Buteyko's breathing method. I don't know a lot about it, but I think it is based on a theory that many people "over-breathe."
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(07-28-2018 09:47 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  ^ Talk to a doctor, man. That sounds a little odd.

You might also look into Dr. Buteyko's breathing method. I don't know a lot about it, but I think it is based on a theory that many people "over-breathe."

Yea, maybe I should eh? I don't think it's exactly normal either.
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Does anyone have a link to a breathing routine that you do in the evenings, something that will make you relaxed rather than stimulated?
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RE: Wim Hof Method
You mean that varicose veins dissapeard?

(09-01-2017 11:46 AM)Zepecat Wrote:  I've used for more than a year now.
The breathing technique, say 4 of 5 days a week.

I have adult ADHD and wim hof breathing helps me focus on my work on complex task such as programming.

I told about it to a friend of mine, who suffered from varicose veins, and she have reported to having the symptoms almost disappear. And also she swears by it as the best stress reducer method she has ever known.

As for the cold showers, I try them from time to time, and it helps me to reduce some belly fat.

That's all I can tell for now.
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How I feel every morning in an ice cold shower as the water hits me:



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