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Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
The man was convicted of rape and sentenced to 6 months.

His father claim she ruined his son’s life had been ruined for “20 minutes of action” fueled by alcohol and promiscuity.

The 23 year old victim remains anonymous.

The reason I posted this is because it's going viral and is blowing up on social media. I can't get away from it.

As for this just being casual sex or a dude really banging out an unconscious girls behind a dumpster....well we'll see how it unfolds in this thread.

I refuse to give buzzfeed more clicks. I forgot the do not link site to give a neutral link.

Also this is a LONG READ - if anyone can help me make this into a scroll box, I'd appreciate it.

Quote:One night in January 2015, two Stanford University graduate students biking across campus spotted a freshman thrusting his body on top of an unconscious, half-naked woman behind a dumpster. This March, a California jury found the former student, 20-year-old Brock Allen Turner, guilty of three counts of sexual assault. Turner faced a maximum of 14 years in state prison. On Thursday, he was sentenced to six months in county jail and probation. The judge said he feared a longer sentence would have a “severe impact” on Turner, a champion swimmer who once aspired to compete in the Olympics — a point repeatedly brought up during the trial.

On Thursday, Turner’s victim addressed him directly, detailing the severe impact his actions had on her — from the night she learned she had been assaulted by a stranger while unconscious, to the grueling trial during which Turner’s attorneys argued that she had eagerly consented.

The woman, now 23, told BuzzFeed News she was disappointed with the “gentle” sentence and angry that Turner still denied sexually assaulting her.

“Even if the sentence is light, hopefully this will wake people up,” she said. “I want the judge to know that he ignited a tiny fire. If anything, this is a reason for all of us to speak even louder.”

She provided her statement, printed in full below, to BuzzFeed News.

Quote:Your Honor, if it is all right, for the majority of this statement I would like to address the defendant directly.

You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today.

On January 17th, 2015, it was a quiet Saturday night at home. My dad made some dinner and I sat at the table with my younger sister who was visiting for the weekend. I was working full time and it was approaching my bed time. I planned to stay at home by myself, watch some TV and read, while she went to a party with her friends. Then, I decided it was my only night with her, I had nothing better to do, so why not, there’s a dumb party ten minutes from my house, I would go, dance like a fool, and embarrass my younger sister. On the way there, I joked that undergrad guys would have braces. My sister teased me for wearing a beige cardigan to a frat party like a librarian. I called myself “big mama”, because I knew I’d be the oldest one there. I made silly faces, let my guard down, and drank liquor too fast not factoring in that my tolerance had significantly lowered since college.

The next thing I remember I was in a gurney in a hallway. I had dried blood and bandages on the backs of my hands and elbow. I thought maybe I had fallen and was in an admin office on campus. I was very calm and wondering where my sister was. A deputy explained I had been assaulted. I still remained calm, assured he was speaking to the wrong person. I knew no one at this party. When I was finally allowed to use the restroom, I pulled down the hospital pants they had given me, went to pull down my underwear, and felt nothing. I still remember the feeling of my hands touching my skin and grabbing nothing. I looked down and there was nothing. The thin piece of fabric, the only thing between my vagina and anything else, was missing and everything inside me was silenced. I still don’t have words for that feeling. In order to keep breathing, I thought maybe the policemen used scissors to cut them off for evidence.

“You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today.”

Then, I felt pine needles scratching the back of my neck and started pulling them out my hair. I thought maybe, the pine needles had fallen from a tree onto my head. My brain was talking my gut into not collapsing. Because my gut was saying, help me, help me.

I shuffled from room to room with a blanket wrapped around me, pine needles trailing behind me, I left a little pile in every room I sat in. I was asked to sign papers that said “Rape Victim” and I thought something has really happened. My clothes were confiscated and I stood naked while the nurses held a ruler to various abrasions on my body and photographed them. The three of us worked to comb the pine needles out of my hair, six hands to fill one paper bag. To calm me down, they said it’s just the flora and fauna, flora and fauna. I had multiple swabs inserted into my vagina and anus, needles for shots, pills, had a Nikon pointed right into my spread legs. I had long, pointed beaks inside me and had my vagina smeared with cold, blue paint to check for abrasions.

After a few hours of this, they let me shower. I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.

On that morning, all that I was told was that I had been found behind a dumpster, potentially penetrated by a stranger, and that I should get retested for HIV because results don’t always show up immediately. But for now, I should go home and get back to my normal life. Imagine stepping back into the world with only that information. They gave me huge hugs and I walked out of the hospital into the parking lot wearing the new sweatshirt and sweatpants they provided me, as they had only allowed me to keep my necklace and shoes.

My sister picked me up, face wet from tears and contorted in anguish. Instinctively and immediately, I wanted to take away her pain. I smiled at her, I told her to look at me, I’m right here, I’m okay, everything’s okay, I’m right here. My hair is washed and clean, they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down, and look at me. Look at these funny new sweatpants and sweatshirt, I look like a P.E. teacher, let’s go home, let’s eat something. She did not know that beneath my sweatsuit, I had scratches and bandages on my skin, my vagina was sore and had become a strange, dark color from all the prodding, my underwear was missing, and I felt too empty to continue to speak. That I was also afraid, that I was also devastated. That day we drove home and for hours in silence my younger sister held me.

My boyfriend did not know what happened, but called that day and said, “I was really worried about you last night, you scared me, did you make it home okay?” I was horrified. That’s when I learned I had called him that night in my blackout, left an incomprehensible voicemail, that we had also spoken on the phone, but I was slurring so heavily he was scared for me, that he repeatedly told me to go find [my sister]. Again, he asked me, “What happened last night? Did you make it home okay?” I said yes, and hung up to cry.

I was not ready to tell my boyfriend or parents that actually, I may have been raped behind a dumpster, but I don’t know by who or when or how. If I told them, I would see the fear on their faces, and mine would multiply by tenfold, so instead I pretended the whole thing wasn’t real.

I tried to push it out of my mind, but it was so heavy I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone. After work, I would drive to a secluded place to scream. I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone, and I became isolated from the ones I loved most. For over a week after the incident, I didn’t get any calls or updates about that night or what happened to me. The only symbol that proved that it hadn’t just been a bad dream, was the sweatshirt from the hospital in my drawer.

One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart, and had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize. This was how I learned what happened to me, sitting at my desk reading the news at work. I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me. That’s when the pine needles in my hair made sense, they didn’t fall from a tree. He had taken off my underwear, his fingers had been inside of me. I don’t even know this person. I still don’t know this person. When I read about me like this, I said, this can’t be me, this can’t be me. I could not digest or accept any of this information. I could not imagine my family having to read about this online. I kept reading. In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.

“And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times.”

It’s like if you were to read an article where a car was hit, and found dented, in a ditch. But maybe the car enjoyed being hit. Maybe the other car didn’t mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. Cars get in accidents all the time, people aren’t always paying attention, can we really say who’s at fault.

And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. She was found breathing, unresponsive with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach curled in fetal position. By the way, he’s really good at swimming. Throw in my mile time if that’s what we’re doing. I’m good at cooking, put that in there, I think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that’ve happened.

The night the news came out I sat my parents down and told them that I had been assaulted, to not look at the news because it’s upsetting, just know that I’m okay, I’m right here, and I’m okay. But halfway through telling them, my mom had to hold me because I could no longer stand up.

The night after it happened, he said he didn’t know my name, said he wouldn’t be able to identify my face in a lineup, didn’t mention any dialogue between us, no words, only dancing and kissing. Dancing is a cute term; was it snapping fingers and twirling dancing, or just bodies grinding up against each other in a crowded room? I wonder if kissing was just faces sloppily pressed up against each other? When the detective asked if he had planned on taking me back to his dorm, he said no. When the detective asked how we ended up behind the dumpster, he said he didn’t know. He admitted to kissing other girls at that party, one of whom was my own sister who pushed him away. He admitted to wanting to hook up with someone. I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me. Sometimes I think, if I hadn’t gone, then this never would’ve happened. But then I realized, it would have happened, just to somebody else. You were about to enter four years of access to drunk girls and parties, and if this is the foot you started off on, then it is right you did not continue. The night after it happened, he said he thought I liked it because I rubbed his back. A back rub.

Never mentioned me voicing consent, never mentioned us even speaking, a back rub. One more time, in public news, I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body. But I don’t remember, so how do I prove I didn’t like it.

I thought there’s no way this is going to trial; there were witnesses, there was dirt in my body, he ran but was caught. He’s going to settle, formally apologize, and we will both move on. Instead, I was told he hired a powerful attorney, expert witnesses, private investigators who were going to try and find details about my personal life to use against me, find loopholes in my story to invalidate me and my sister, in order to show that this sexual assault was in fact a misunderstanding. That he was going to go to any length to convince the world he had simply been confused.

I was not only told that I was assaulted, I was told that because I couldn’t remember, I technically could not prove it was unwanted. And that distorted me, damaged me, almost broke me. It is the saddest type of confusion to be told I was assaulted and nearly raped, blatantly out in the open, but we don’t know if it counts as assault yet. I had to fight for an entire year to make it clear that there was something wrong with this situation.

“I was pummeled with narrowed, pointed questions that dissected my personal life, love life, past life, family life, inane questions, accumulating trivial details to try and find an excuse for this guy who had me half naked before even bothering to ask for my name. “

When I was told to be prepared in case we didn’t win, I said, I can’t prepare for that. He was guilty the minute I woke up. No one can talk me out of the hurt he caused me. Worst of all, I was warned, because he now knows you don’t remember, he is going to get to write the script. He can say whatever he wants and no one can contest it. I had no power, I had no voice, I was defenseless. My memory loss would be used against me. My testimony was weak, was incomplete, and I was made to believe that perhaps, I am not enough to win this. His attorney constantly reminded the jury, the only one we can believe is Brock, because she doesn’t remember. That helplessness was traumatizing.

Instead of taking time to heal, I was taking time to recall the night in excruciating detail, in order to prepare for the attorney’s questions that would be invasive, aggressive, and designed to steer me off course, to contradict myself, my sister, phrased in ways to manipulate my answers. Instead of his attorney saying, Did you notice any abrasions? He said, You didn’t notice any abrasions, right? This was a game of strategy, as if I could be tricked out of my own worth. The sexual assault had been so clear, but instead, here I was at the trial, answering questions like:

How old are you? How much do you weigh? What did you eat that day? Well what did you have for dinner? Who made dinner? Did you drink with dinner? No, not even water? When did you drink? How much did you drink? What container did you drink out of? Who gave you the drink? How much do you usually drink? Who dropped you off at this party? At what time? But where exactly? What were you wearing? Why were you going to this party? What’ d you do when you got there? Are you sure you did that? But what time did you do that? What does this text mean? Who were you texting? When did you urinate? Where did you urinate? With whom did you urinate outside? Was your phone on silent when your sister called? Do you remember silencing it? Really because on page 53 I’d like to point out that you said it was set to ring. Did you drink in college? You said you were a party animal? How many times did you black out? Did you party at frats? Are you serious with your boyfriend? Are you sexually active with him? When did you start dating? Would you ever cheat? Do you have a history of cheating? What do you mean when you said you wanted to reward him? Do you remember what time you woke up? Were you wearing your cardigan? What color was your cardigan? Do you remember any more from that night? No? Okay, well, we’ll let Brock fill it in.

I was pummeled with narrowed, pointed questions that dissected my personal life, love life, past life, family life, inane questions, accumulating trivial details to try and find an excuse for this guy who had me half naked before even bothering to ask for my name. After a physical assault, I was assaulted with questions designed to attack me, to say see, her facts don’t line up, she’s out of her mind, she’s practically an alcoholic, she probably wanted to hook up, he’s like an athlete right, they were both drunk, whatever, the hospital stuff she remembers is after the fact, why take it into account, Brock has a lot at stake so he’s having a really hard time right now.

And then it came time for him to testify and I learned what it meant to be revictimized. I want to remind you, the night after it happened he said he never planned to take me back to his dorm. He said he didn’t know why we were behind a dumpster. He got up to leave because he wasn’t feeling well when he was suddenly chased and attacked. Then he learned I could not remember.

So one year later, as predicted, a new dialogue emerged. Brock had a strange new story, almost sounded like a poorly written young adult novel with kissing and dancing and hand holding and lovingly tumbling onto the ground, and most importantly in this new story, there was suddenly consent. One year after the incident, he remembered, oh yeah, by the way she actually said yes, to everything, so.

He said he had asked if I wanted to dance. Apparently I said yes. He’d asked if I wanted to go to his dorm, I said yes. Then he asked if he could finger me and I said yes. Most guys don’t ask, can I finger you? Usually there’s a natural progression of things, unfolding consensually, not a Q and A. But apparently I granted full permission. He’s in the clear. Even in his story, I only said a total of three words, yes yes yes, before he had me half naked on the ground. Future reference, if you are confused about whether a girl can consent, see if she can speak an entire sentence. You couldn’t even do that. Just one coherent string of words. Where was the confusion? This is common sense, human decency.

According to him, the only reason we were on the ground was because I fell down. Note; if a girl falls down help her get back up. If she is too drunk to even walk and falls down, do not mount her, hump her, take off her underwear, and insert your hand inside her vagina. If a girl falls down help her up. If she is wearing a cardigan over her dress don’t take it off so that you can touch her breasts. Maybe she is cold, maybe that’s why she wore the cardigan.

Next in the story, two Swedes on bicycles approached you and you ran. When they tackled you why didn’t say, “Stop! Everything’s okay, go ask her, she’s right over there, she’ll tell you.” I mean you had just asked for my consent, right? I was awake, right? When the policeman arrived and interviewed the evil Swede who tackled you, he was crying so hard he couldn’t speak because of what he’d seen.

Your attorney has repeatedly pointed out, well we don’t know exactly when she became unconscious. And you’re right, maybe I was still fluttering my eyes and wasn’t completely limp yet. That was never the point. I was too drunk to speak English, too drunk to consent way before I was on the ground. I should have never been touched in the first place. Brock stated, “At no time did I see that she was not responding. If at any time I thought she was not responding, I would have stopped immediately.” Here’s the thing; if your plan was to stop only when I became unresponsive, then you still do not understand. You didn’t even stop when I was unconscious anyway! Someone else stopped you. Two guys on bikes noticed I wasn’t moving in the dark and had to tackle you. How did you not notice while on top of me?

You said, you would have stopped and gotten help. You say that, but I want you to explain how you would’ve helped me, step by step, walk me through this. I want to know, if those evil Swedes had not found me, how the night would have played out. I am asking you; Would you have pulled my underwear back on over my boots? Untangled the necklace wrapped around my neck? Closed my legs, covered me? Pick the pine needles from my hair? Asked if the abrasions on my neck and bottom hurt? Would you then go find a friend and say, Will you help me get her somewhere warm and soft? I don’t sleep when I think about the way it could have gone if the two guys had never come. What would have happened to me? That’s what you’ll never have a good answer for, that’s what you can’t explain even after a year.

On top of all this, he claimed that I orgasmed after one minute of digital penetration. The nurse said there had been abrasions, lacerations, and dirt in my genitalia. Was that before or after I came?

To sit under oath and inform all of us, that yes I wanted it, yes I permitted it, and that you are the true victim attacked by Swedes for reasons unknown to you is appalling, is demented, is selfish, is damaging. It is enough to be suffering. It is another thing to have someone ruthlessly working to diminish the gravity of validity of this suffering.

My family had to see pictures of my head strapped to a gurney full of pine needles, of my body in the dirt with my eyes closed, hair messed up, limbs bent, and dress hiked up. And even after that, my family had to listen to your attorney say the pictures were after the fact, we can dismiss them. To say, yes her nurse confirmed there was redness and abrasions inside her, significant trauma to her genitalia, but that’s what happens when you finger someone, and he’s already admitted to that. To listen to your attorney attempt to paint a picture of me, the face of girls gone wild, as if somehow that would make it so that I had this coming for me. To listen to him say I sounded drunk on the phone because I’m silly and that’s my goofy way of speaking. To point out that in the voicemail, I said I would reward my boyfriend and we all know what I was thinking. I assure you my rewards program is non transferable, especially to any nameless man that approaches me.

“This is not a story of another drunk college hook­up with poor decision making. Assault is not an accident.”

He has done irreversible damage to me and my family during the trial and we have sat silently, listening to him shape the evening. But in the end, his unsupported statements and his attorney’s twisted logic fooled no one. The truth won, the truth spoke for itself.

You are guilty. Twelve jurors convicted you guilty of three felony counts beyond reasonable doubt, that’s twelve votes per count, thirty ­six yeses confirming guilt, that’s one hundred percent, unanimous guilt. And I thought finally it is over, finally he will own up to what he did, truly apologize, we will both move on and get better. ​Then I read your statement.

If you are hoping that one of my organs will implode from anger and I will die, I’m almost there. You are very close. This is not a story of another drunk college hook­up with poor decision making. Assault is not an accident. Somehow, you still don’t get it. Somehow, you still sound confused. I will now read portions of the defendant’s statement and respond to them.

You said, Being drunk I just couldn’t make the best decisions and neither could she.

Alcohol is not an excuse. Is it a factor? Yes. But alcohol was not the one who stripped me, fingered me, had my head dragging against the ground, with me almost fully naked. Having too much to drink was an amateur mistake that I admit to, but it is not criminal. Everyone in this room has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much, or knows someone close to them who has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much. Regretting drinking is not the same as regretting sexual assault. We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference.

You said, If I wanted to get to know her, I should have asked for her number, rather than asking her to go back to my room.

I’m not mad because you didn’t ask for my number. Even if you did know me, I would not want to be in this situation. My own boyfriend knows me, but if he asked to finger me behind a dumpster, I would slap him. No girl wants to be in this situation. Nobody. I don’t care if you know their phone number or not.

You said, I stupidly thought it was okay for me to do what everyone around me was doing, which was drinking. I was wrong.

Again, you were not wrong for drinking. Everyone around you was not sexually assaulting me. You were wrong for doing what nobody else was doing, which was pushing your erect dick in your pants against my naked, defenseless body concealed in a dark area, where partygoers could no longer see or protect me, and my own sister could not find me. Sipping fireball is not your crime. Peeling off and discarding my underwear like a candy wrapper to insert your finger into my body, is where you went wrong. Why am I still explaining this.

You said, During the trial I didn’t want to victimize her at all. That was just my attorney and his way of approaching the case.

Your attorney is not your scapegoat, he represents you. Did your attorney say some incredulously infuriating, degrading things? Absolutely. He said you had an erection, because it was cold.

You said, you are in the process of establishing a program for high school and college students in which you speak about your experience to “speak out against the college campus drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that.”

Campus drinking culture. That’s what we’re speaking out against? You think that’s what I’ve spent the past year fighting for? Not awareness about campus sexual assault, or rape, or learning to recognize consent. Campus drinking culture. Down with Jack Daniels. Down with Skyy Vodka. If you want talk to people about drinking go to an AA meeting. You realize, having a drinking problem is different than drinking and then forcefully trying to have sex with someone? Show men how to respect women, not how to drink less.

Drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Goes along with that, like a side effect, like fries on the side of your order. Where does promiscuity even come into play? I don’t see headlines that read, Brock Turner, Guilty of drinking too much and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Campus Sexual Assault. There’s your first powerpoint slide. Rest assured, if you fail to fix the topic of your talk, I will follow you to every school you go to and give a follow up presentation.

Lastly you said, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin a life.

A life, one life, yours, you forgot about mine. Let me rephrase for you, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin two lives. You and me. You are the cause, I am the effect. You have dragged me through this hell with you, dipped me back into that night again and again. You knocked down both our towers, I collapsed at the same time you did. If you think I was spared, came out unscathed, that today I ride off into sunset, while you suffer the greatest blow, you are mistaken. Nobody wins. We have all been devastated, we have all been trying to find some meaning in all of this suffering. Your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. My damage was internal, unseen, I carry it with me. You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today.

See one thing we have in common is that we were both unable to get up in the morning. I am no stranger to suffering. You made me a victim. In newspapers my name was “unconscious intoxicated woman”, ten syllables, and nothing more than that. For a while, I believed that that was all I was. I had to force myself to relearn my real name, my identity. To relearn that this is not all that I am. That I am not just a drunk victim at a frat party found behind a dumpster, while you are the All­ American swimmer at a top university, innocent until proven guilty, with so much at stake. I am a human being who has been irreversibly hurt, my life was put on hold for over a year, waiting to figure out if I was worth something.

My independence, natural joy, gentleness, and steady lifestyle I had been enjoying became distorted beyond recognition. I became closed off, angry, self deprecating, tired, irritable, empty. The isolation at times was unbearable. You cannot give me back the life I had before that night either. While you worry about your shattered reputation, I refrigerated spoons every night so when I woke up, and my eyes were puffy from crying, I would hold the spoons to my eyes to lessen the swelling so that I could see. I showed up an hour late to work every morning, excused myself to cry in the stairwells, I can tell you all the best places in that building to cry where no one can hear you. The pain became so bad that I had to explain the private details to my boss to let her know why I was leaving. I needed time because continuing day to day was not possible. I used my savings to go as far away as I could possibly be. I did not return to work full time as I knew I’d have to take weeks off in the future for the hearing and trial, that were constantly being rescheduled. My life was put on hold for over a year, my structure had collapsed.

I can’t sleep alone at night without having a light on, like a five year old, because I have nightmares of being touched where I cannot wake up, I did this thing where I waited until the sun came up and I felt safe enough to sleep. For three months, I went to bed at six o’clock in the morning.

I used to pride myself on my independence, now I am afraid to go on walks in the evening, to attend social events with drinking among friends where I should be comfortable being. I have become a little barnacle always needing to be at someone’s side, to have my boyfriend standing next to me, sleeping beside me, protecting me. It is embarrassing how feeble I feel, how timidly I move through life, always guarded, ready to defend myself, ready to be angry.

You have no idea how hard I have worked to rebuild parts of me that are still weak. It took me eight months to even talk about what happened. I could no longer connect with friends, with everyone around me. I would scream at my boyfriend, my own family whenever they brought this up. You never let me forget what happened to me. At the of end of the hearing, the trial, I was too tired to speak. I would leave drained, silent. I would go home turn off my phone and for days I would not speak. You bought me a ticket to a planet where I lived by myself. Every time a new article come out, I lived with the paranoia that my entire hometown would find out and know me as the girl who got assaulted. I didn’t want anyone’s pity and am still learning to accept victim as part of my identity. You made my own hometown an uncomfortable place to be.

You cannot give me back my sleepless nights. The way I have broken down sobbing uncontrollably if I’m watching a movie and a woman is harmed, to say it lightly, this experience has expanded my empathy for other victims. I have lost weight from stress, when people would comment I told them I’ve been running a lot lately. There are times I did not want to be touched. I have to relearn that I am not fragile, I am capable, I am wholesome, not just livid and weak.

When I see my younger sister hurting, when she is unable to keep up in school, when she is deprived of joy, when she is not sleeping, when she is crying so hard on the phone she is barely breathing, telling me over and over again she is sorry for leaving me alone that night, sorry sorry sorry, when she feels more guilt than you, then I do not forgive you. That night I had called her to try and find her, but you found me first. Your attorney’s closing statement began, “[Her sister] said she was fine and who knows her better than her sister.” You tried to use my own sister against me? Your points of attack were so weak, so low, it was almost embarrassing. You do not touch her.

You should have never done this to me. Secondly, you should have never made me fight so long to tell you, you should have never done this to me. But here we are. The damage is done, no one can undo it. And now we both have a choice. We can let this destroy us, I can remain angry and hurt and you can be in denial, or we can face it head on, I accept the pain, you accept the punishment, and we move on.

Your life is not over, you have decades of years ahead to rewrite your story. The world is huge, it is so much bigger than Palo Alto and Stanford, and you will make a space for yourself in it where you can be useful and happy. But right now, you do not get to shrug your shoulders and be confused anymore. You do not get to pretend that there were no red flags. You have been convicted of violating me, intentionally, forcibly, sexually, with malicious intent, and all you can admit to is consuming alcohol. Do not talk about the sad way your life was upturned because alcohol made you do bad things. Figure out how to take responsibility for your own conduct.

Now to address the sentencing. When I read the probation officer’s report, I was in disbelief, consumed by anger which eventually quieted down to profound sadness. My statements have been slimmed down to distortion and taken out of context. I fought hard during this trial and will not have the outcome minimized by a probation officer who attempted to evaluate my current state and my wishes in a fifteen minute conversation, the majority of which was spent answering questions I had about the legal system. The context is also important. Brock had yet to issue a statement, and I had not read his remarks.

My life has been on hold for over a year, a year of anger, anguish and uncertainty, until a jury of my peers rendered a judgment that validated the injustices I had endured. Had Brock admitted guilt and remorse and offered to settle early on, I would have considered a lighter sentence, respecting his honesty, grateful to be able to move our lives forward. Instead he took the risk of going to trial, added insult to injury and forced me to relive the hurt as details about my personal life and sexual assault were brutally dissected before the public. He pushed me and my family through a year of inexplicable, unnecessary suffering, and should face the consequences of challenging his crime, of putting my pain into question, of making us wait so long for justice.

I told the probation officer I do not want Brock to rot away in prison. I did not say he does not deserve to be behind bars. The probation officer’s recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft time­out, a mockery of the seriousness of his assaults, an insult to me and all women. It gives the message that a stranger can be inside you without proper consent and he will receive less than what has been defined as the minimum sentence. Probation should be denied. I also told the probation officer that what I truly wanted was for Brock to get it, to understand and admit to his wrongdoing.

Unfortunately, after reading the defendant’s report, I am severely disappointed and feel that he has failed to exhibit sincere remorse or responsibility for his conduct. I fully respected his right to a trial, but even after twelve jurors unanimously convicted him guilty of three felonies, all he has admitted to doing is ingesting alcohol. Someone who cannot take full accountability for his actions does not deserve a mitigating sentence. It is deeply offensive that he would try and dilute rape with a suggestion of “promiscuity”. By definition rape is not the absence of promiscuity, rape is the absence of consent, and it perturbs me deeply that he can’t even see that distinction.

The probation officer factored in that the defendant is youthful and has no prior convictions. In my opinion, he is old enough to know what he did was wrong. When you are eighteen in this country you can go to war. When you are nineteen, you are old enough to pay the consequences for attempting to rape someone. He is young, but he is old enough to know better.

As this is a first offence I can see where leniency would beckon. On the other hand, as a society, we cannot forgive everyone’s first sexual assault or digital rape. It doesn’t make sense. The seriousness of rape has to be communicated clearly, we should not create a culture that suggests we learn that rape is wrong through trial and error. The consequences of sexual assault needs to be severe enough that people feel enough fear to exercise good judgment even if they are drunk, severe enough to be preventative.

The probation officer weighed the fact that he has surrendered a hard earned swimming scholarship. How fast Brock swims does not lessen the severity of what happened to me, and should not lessen the severity of his punishment. If a first time offender from an underprivileged background was accused of three felonies and displayed no accountability for his actions other than drinking, what would his sentence be? The fact that Brock was an athlete at a private university should not be seen as an entitlement to leniency, but as an opportunity to send a message that sexual assault is against the law regardless of social class.

The Probation Officer has stated that this case, when compared to other crimes of similar nature, may be considered less serious due to the defendant’s level of intoxication. It felt serious. That’s all I’m going to say.

What has he done to demonstrate that he deserves a break? He has only apologized for drinking and has yet to define what he did to me as sexual assault, he has revictimized me continually, relentlessly. He has been found guilty of three serious felonies and it is time for him to accept the consequences of his actions. He will not be quietly excused.

He is a lifetime sex registrant. That doesn’t expire. Just like what he did to me doesn’t expire, doesn’t just go away after a set number of years. It stays with me, it’s part of my identity, it has forever changed the way I carry myself, the way I live the rest of my life.

To conclude, I want to say thank you. To everyone from the intern who made me oatmeal when I woke up at the hospital that morning, to the deputy who waited beside me, to the nurses who calmed me, to the detective who listened to me and never judged me, to my advocates who stood unwaveringly beside me, to my therapist who taught me to find courage in vulnerability, to my boss for being kind and understanding, to my incredible parents who teach me how to turn pain into strength, to my grandma who snuck chocolate into the courtroom throughout this to give to me, my friends who remind me how to be happy, to my boyfriend who is patient and loving, to my unconquerable sister who is the other half of my heart, to Alaleh, my idol, who fought tirelessly and never doubted me. Thank you to everyone involved in the trial for their time and attention. Thank you to girls across the nation that wrote cards to my DA to give to me, so many strangers who cared for me.

Most importantly, thank you to the two men who saved me, who I have yet to meet. I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another. To have known all of these people, to have felt their protection and love, is something I will never forget.

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I'm concerned about why the case went viral. It went viral because Facebook selected it to be a "trending" topic, which means it's being used as propaganda to advance a cause.

Why didn't Facebook select far more heinous sexual assaults by refugees or minorities to trend, when both these groups are statistically more likely to commit rape?

It's because pushing those stories doesn't advance "The Narrative." And the Narrative, of course, is that evil, rich white males are the ones who are really doing all the raping.

This is the Duke University case they never had. Finally, a real reason to beat the drum against "privilege" and "entitlement!"

Meanwhile, elementary school girls had dicks shoved down their throats daily in Rotherham, and it never "went viral." Nor did the New Year's Eve assaults in Germany get much play. Then there are the many, many assaults on children in the U.S. done by illegals.

With the influx of crime-prone migrants to Europe and illegals in America, it's going to be especially important for the media to push this anti-white-male narrative.

(I'll leave it to others to pick apart the case per se. The media, not the law, is my area of expertise. I will say, though, that the father of the accused should NOT have opened his mouth to the press. Metaphorically speaking, he threw a lit match in a gas spill.)
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The ho was so drunk she doesn't even remembers the event,

yet writes a lecture containing 7200+ fiddydolla' words about it.

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I don't know the particulars of the case, so I can't comment on whether or not the sentence is just. But let's assume that every word in her statement is true. To me, the overwhelming takeaway is the sheer insanity of a young woman getting so blasted drunk out of her mind at a party that she becomes unconscious.

This is an exceedingly dangerous situation for anyone, male or female. One can die of alcohol poisoning. One can vomit and choke. What if there was a fire in the house and your unconscious body was left inside? You expose yourself to countless accidents, to say nothing of malicious others who wish to do you harm.

There are legitimately Bad People in the world. People who will steal your jewelry or wallet, and people who will assault you physically.

If it was you or me, there might have been a gay dude — or dudes — at the party who decided to have a little fun with the dumbass who drank too much. It's just too risky a proposition to be knocked-out in public like that.

"Teach men not to rape." OK, fine. Let's do that. And while that class is in session, let's be sure we're educating our daughters about the dangers of drinking or drugging yourself into oblivion.
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FRA's piss me off as much as the next guy, but the guy (im question) really does seem guilty in this particular case.
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Yeah she made a mistake by getting black out drunk.

But come on guys, from what I read the guy seems guilty as hell here. There were two witnesses who saw him having sex with the girl who was unconscious.

Let's say that she consented and then passed out. EVEN THEN, this dude still decided to continue to bang her on a dirt road, then went to run away when the guys asked what he was doing? Sounds pretty fucked up to me.

Culture war or not, the guy seems guilty and his sentence is far too light.
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The defining moment of this dumb sluts life, will ride this attention train til the wheels fall off. Good on the judge, weekend dumpster fucking was probably a bi monthly thing.


Women and alcohol , someone could write a book just on that topic. Banning women from liquor kind of makes sense.
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Both parties had shitty lack of judgement and choices.

Reading her essay - she definitely contradicts herself a few times.

2 witnesses did see it happen and chased him down - she also didn't go public such as mattress girl did.

I'm going to give here the benefit of doubt in this case - despite being some drunk ass college student who makes shitty decisions.

With DOBA - why is this trending all of a sudden, why did buzz feed put it out, why is it now trending on FB ?

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This guy seems like a real remorseless asshole, raised by asshole parents that support his awful behavior. I support strong sentencing of FRA's, but also rapes that take place. With this particular case, the guy made a clear move to violate this young woman. Who among us men haven't been drunk at one time? I have. Thankfully, I haven't been violently assaulted for it. Yes, women need to pay more attention to how much they drink, but nobody deserved to be sexually assaulted. The light sentencing only plays into "Rape Culture Man Gets Away With It!" themes. Rape does happen, and we need to make it more rare. Likewise, we need to encourage rape victims to go to the police, get everything documented and also have D.A.s to be on the lookout for FRA's. This particular case was certainly not a he-said, she-said. A ridiculous outcome to say the least.

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What is his side of the story?
Why it is nowhere to be found?

Was it a consensual sex in the beginning; then he was not fast enough to pull his dick out when she blacked out? It would make him formally guilty of statutory rape, yes, but 6 month in case like that may be even excessive?

What is the strange presentation of a court case. In form of lyrical composition of the person who remembers nothing.

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The guy seems pretty guilty and remorseless - at the very least, more so than most of the cases like this. That's irrelevant, though - the girl disgusts me.

anecdote time - I went through a traumatic experience while blacked out at a party about eight years ago. I pissed off the wrong guy and ended up getting a pretty savage beating. Due to my advanced drunkenness, a few friends of mine said I could have very well died that night - apparently I was breathing funny, as he'd given me a couple of shots in the throat and continued to pummel me after I was down. I was so spooked, I didn't regularly speak with my friends for about three months after that. (I guess that isn't surprising, given that it was close to a near-death experience.) I never drank heavily again after that, and consider the experience a turning point in my life. We never found the guy who did it, despite there being dozens of witnesses. It could have been anybody.

Guess what? I don't care who did this to me, and I doubt I'd be able to fill twelve Microsoft Word pages about how much pain I went through that night. The fact that the girl couldn't keep her statement short and sweet says a lot to me - mainly that she's getting off on all of this attention, despite how much she grouses and bitches about the trial "re-victimizing her". My ass. She probably thinks it's the best thing that's ever happened to her.
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(06-06-2016 06:11 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Both parties had shitty lack of judgement and choices.

Reading her essay - she definitely contradicts herself a few times.

2 witnesses did see it happen and chased him down - she also didn't go public such as mattress girl did.

I'm going to give here the benefit of doubt in this case - despite being some drunk ass college student who makes shitty decisions.

With DOBA - why is this trending all of a sudden, why did buzz feed put it out, why is it now trending on FB ?

I think on a subconscious level the cases were the victim made really terrible choices are the easiest ones for people to rally behind. Random acts of violence against people who are making good choices are fucking terrifying and people would rather not think about them or even acknowledge their existence. This type of case allows the SJWs to rally behind the victim and sleep well at night knowing they wont make the same kinds of choices she did. It's win-win. The same thing happened with #blacklivesmatter. There were a few egregious cases were a black person was gunned down by police for doing nothing wrong but those didn't get nearly the media attention that ones were the victim was engaged in bad behavior (e.g. Ferguson).

The guy does seem like a piece of shit though. He must have an awesome lawyer and/or a family with connections. Santa Clara County is SJW central when it comes to legal matters. I have a white upper class male friend who got a harsher sentence in the same court system for an obviously false DV charge.
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This shit has been all over my FB feed. The outrage has reached hysterical levels, sometimes appearing to border on sexual ecstasy.

Campus rape accusations and black teens being shot by non-black individuals are the two events that trigger the most outrage from progressives.

I think the outrage stems from 2 sources.

1. Group signaling: It's important to show their peers that they are anti-rape and anti-racism (2 very courageous positions).

2. They quietly don't believe the events occurred as stated (maybe the black teen wasn't exactly innocent, maybe the girl's story doesn't add up). So they overcompensate and exaggerate their indignation, so no one suspects they harbor any doubt. Scream to convince myself and others that I believe in The Narrative.
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(06-06-2016 06:48 PM)Ensam Wrote:  
(06-06-2016 06:11 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Both parties had shitty lack of judgement and choices.

Reading her essay - she definitely contradicts herself a few times.

2 witnesses did see it happen and chased him down - she also didn't go public such as mattress girl did.

I'm going to give here the benefit of doubt in this case - despite being some drunk ass college student who makes shitty decisions.

With DOBA - why is this trending all of a sudden, why did buzz feed put it out, why is it now trending on FB ?

I think on a subconscious level the cases were the victim made really terrible choices are the easiest ones for people to rally behind. Random acts of violence against people who are making good choices are fucking terrifying and people would rather not think about them or even acknowledge their existence. This type of case allows the SJWs to rally behind the victim and sleep well at night knowing they wont make the same kinds of choices she did. It's win-win. The same thing happened with #blacklivesmatter. There were a few egregious cases were a black person was gunned down by police for doing nothing wrong but those didn't get nearly the media attention that ones were the victim was engaged in bad behavior (e.g. Ferguson).

The guy does seem like a piece of shit though. He must have an awesome lawyer and/or a family with connections. Santa Clara County is SJW central when it comes to legal matters. I have a white upper class male friend who got a harsher sentence in the same court system for an obviously false DV charge.

The lawyer can't be all that good.

A really good lawyer would have made damn sure the father didn't talk to the press and would have instructed this nitwit NOT to make statements like "twenty minutes ruined my life."

Even the stupidest public defender knows that showing basic remorse is essential for anyone on trial. Lack of remorse is what sends inner city thugs into the bowels of prison for decades -- as opposed to the white collar guys who profusely apologize on the stand and get wrist-slaps.

Why did the lawyer not have this kid say something like: "This kills me inside every day. I am truly sorry. I wish I could turn back time and erase this." The end.

The court of public opinion is far worse than a six month sentence. And now because of their big mouths, this guy and his father will go down in history on the Internet as two total assholes. This will not serve him well in the working world. He'll always be "that guy."

Regarding apologies: There is a rightful idea in the manosphere that apologizing to people makes them smell blood and attack you more. It makes you appear weak. Donald Trump's refusal to ever apologize is cited as an example of how to play this game and be Alpha.

All that is true. But it doesn't apply when you're in a courtroom accused of something. You can't be Alpha when accused of a crime, because The State and The Judge are Alphas by default since your fate is in their hands.

If Trump fails because he didn't apologize, he gets to go back to his millions and his hot wife. If you fail in the courtroom because you show no remorse, a much different fate awaits you.

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All that said, the victim's statement sounds like she's looking to monetize this and get a book deal. I know that sounds cynical and like something out of a Tom Wolfe novel ("Bonfire of the Vanities") but her writing sounds like it was scripted more to get the attention of the public -- and the publishing industry -- than to make a point in the courtroom.

Again, I'm sticking to the media-related issues here and how these people come off to the press. And the answer is: Not good.
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(06-06-2016 06:02 PM)Neo Wrote:  Yeah she made a mistake by getting black out drunk.

But come on guys, from what I read the guy seems guilty as hell here. There were two witnesses who saw him having sex with the girl who was unconscious.

Let's say that she consented and then passed out. EVEN THEN, this dude still decided to continue to bang her on a dirt road, then went to run away when the guys asked what he was doing? Sounds pretty fucked up to me.

Culture war or not, the guy seems guilty and his sentence is far too light.

Neo, that's ridiculous.

This guy is a young confused kid who was drunk off his ass. This slut went to the party because she wanted to get drunk and cheat on her boyfriend. She obviously wanted this athlete guy to fuck her as she admits in this key passage from the "victim letter" which you need to parse correctly through its lawyerly wording:

Quote:And you’re right, maybe I was still fluttering my eyes and wasn’t completely limp yet, fine. His guilt did not depend on him knowing the exact second that I became unconscious, that is never what this was about. I was slurring, too drunk to consent way before I was on the ground. I should have never been touched in the first place

In other words she's admitting she was by no means unconscious when he started "fingering" her which she herself said she "liked". This kid is now supposed to be a "rapist" because in his own drunkenness he could not figure out the exact moment when the equally drunk girl passed out? Really?

The idea that this is a "light sentence" is a tragically misplaced one. In reality, the guy's life is ruined forever. He will be registered as a sex offender for the remainder of his life. He is an eternal pariah and outcast. All because this slut decided that a few moments of drunkenness were enough to destroy a man's life for good.

A crime was committed here all right, but not by this drunk and confused teenage boy. The crime is that of a society full of psychotic princesses and their despicable white-knight enablers which treats its young men as worthless roadkill.

Lastly. This "victim statement" is one of the most dishonest documents of its kind I've ever read -- not just factually, but emotionally dishonest. It is a self-consciously literary text written in the hysterical tones of contemporary serious female fiction. It is full of the most shameless lies and prevarication at every turn. Its dishonesty is the exact reason that the Year Zero media has feasted on this statement and found it to be so uniquely "eloquent".

The whole story is just another in a long series of outrages that we are becoming increasingly numb to. But our numbness doesn't make it any less of a reality for the young man whose life was destroyed here.

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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
This is obviously a real case of rape, he was banging out a passed out girl behind a dumpster and was caught in the act by two men who had to chase him down and restrain him. That looks pretty cut and dry as far as the charges go. The fact that third parties were involved in this case as witnesses and those third parties were sober, and had to chase him down while the police were called is pretty damning.

I think what is likely is she went to a frat party and drank far too much, ran into this dude and was open to fucking him and making out with him while she was , unbeknownst to him, blackout drunk. He talked her drunk ass into leaving with him and was able to walk to the the place where they ended up fucking. They started to go at it and she passed out while they were fucking or immediately before-and he being drunk off his up either went for the lay, or tried to finish when he had already started. Regardless of the situation the two cyclists came upon them with him thrusting away on a passed out chick. He should have stopped or not started if she was passed the fuck out.

Needless to say she should not have got passed out drunk, but quick question-where the fuck was her sister when all this shit went down?

Edit:Disregard what I wrote about thrusting on top of a passed out girl and my understanding of the facts, I have looked at two different sources and they contradict each other plus I cannot find an unbiased source of information clearly stating undisputed facts, as such I can not render an informed opinion. I will have to do more reserch and try to find the actual facts of this case. He may have gotten only six months because certain facts are in dispute, he is appealing the conviction.

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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
I'm a recent alum of Stanford, so this case is particularly amusing to me. I think the 6-month sentence was too harsh.

Since when did fingering become rape?

As the post above indicates, this was clearly just a hypergamous slut wanting to cheat on her boyfriend with an "alpha male" star swimmer. Stanford is a fairly isolated campus. She was NOT a student...those girls only came to frat parties to fuck jocks and frat boys.

Then we have the 2 white knight male graduates students (likely virgins) who reported the incident. Grad students on this campus basically get no action, and are looked down upon by the undegrads as total nerds...these 2 guys were acting more from jealousy than a desire to help.

Finally, the victim's letter...classic attention whoring.

So many game lessons in these "20 minutes" of action.
06-06-2016 07:34 PM
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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
Atlanta Man, how is what you're describing "clear cut"? You have two very drunk kids (she is older, in fact) who decide to go outside and fuck. At some point she passed out from drunkenness. And he is supposed to be a "rapist" and have his life destroyed forever as a "registered sex offender" -- please remember that -- because he didn't notice the exact moment when she passed out?

Also the fact that a drunk kid, confused and scared off his ass, tried to run away from strangers and the police is hardly "damning". It's entirely natural and has absolutely no bearing on his guilt or innocence in this case.

Please try to think about this in actual human terms and understand what happened here. The idea that a young kid's life should be ruined forever because of this incident is disgraceful.

EDIT: and lastly, if you're thinking about the "victim" in this case, just read that whole statement above. That statement, all by itself, is proof positive that no "irreversible damage" of any kind was done to her. It is literary attention whoring from the first word to the last, no more, no less.

same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
(06-06-2016 05:35 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  FRA's piss me off as much as the next guy, but the guy (im question) really does seem guilty in this particular case.

Not only does he seem guilty but a jury was convinced by the evidence presented at trial that he was guilty and unanimously convicted him on 3 felonies.

This case is a little different than UVA, Mattress Girl, Duke lacrosse, and the many other false rape cases where the defendant was found not guilty or the defendant did not exist.

I know there will be many here who want to have the same old tired conversation of "she was drunk" "bitch was asking for the cock" etc but those conversations just look foolish and bitter based on the facts in this particular case.

A more productive discussion would revolve around:

1. The extremely light sentence this guy received. Was it because of family pressure? School pressure? Money? The judge who sentenced him is a Stanford alum who played a rich white boy sport (lacrosse) as well.

2. The fact that this story has gone viral while the dozen women who were sexually assaulted by migrants at a German music festival last weekend is barely being acknowledged.
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Chauncey,

Do you think that juries never make wrong decisions, particularly in convicting men in sex cases?

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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
Irregardless of the guilt of this young man.

Let this be a lesson to us all.

AVOID DRUNK ASS BITCHES LIKE THE PLAGUE.

You can do better.
06-06-2016 08:41 PM
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(06-06-2016 08:29 PM)Chauncey Wrote:  The fact that this story has gone viral while the dozen women who were sexually assaulted by migrants at a German music festival last weekend is barely being acknowledged.

I can tell you why it went viral:

1. They need this to make up for the loss they took on lyin' Jackie Coakley in the UVa case -- a loss they're still smarting from.

2. It's needed as payback for TRUMP -- pretty much the fact that he still dares to exist.

That's where this story derives its energies from. The disgusting "victim statement" -- and it's nothing short of disgusting -- has instantly become a new sacred text, one that must be read in the hushed reverential tones reserved for things of the most unspeakable pathos and truth. There are thousands of cunts and white-knights canting at all times right now about how that "amazing" statement and the incredibly "light" sentence -- which in fact amounts to a LIFE SENTENCE because of sex offender registration -- is making them "physically sick".

There is serious evil afoot here. But it's not in the actions of one drunk confused kid -- the evil is in our society and the hysterical extremes it has reached in pandering to female lies. It's very important to understand this.

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RE: Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
I'll look into the case more, but really guys here are drinking too much of the manosphere kool aid.

I went to a party school. I've been drunk off my ass and in similar situations. You're both bombed and start hooking up, the girl passes out close to sex. I sure as hell am not going to attempt to have sex with a passed out chick.

Even in my drunkest moments I had the sense to say 'you know what, this can wait until tomorrow.' It's called self-restraint, and really I never got the too drunk or drugged out defense, cause let me tell you I've been there and have tried most things under the sun in my younger days. Even in my most bombed out moments, I still had my mind, maybe other people don't.

Even if she consented, then passed out and he decided hey what the hell I'll keep having sex with an unconscious girl behind a dumpster, that's fucked up in my mind. The kid testified he remembered what happened that night so he remembered making the choice to bang a girl who was unconscious.

And some of the stretches in this thread are laughable. Now the graduate students are 'probably virgins' and were 'jealous' how do you know that? Apparently all Stanford graduate students are sexless virgins now. Generalize much?

I love this forum, but I think it's time for a break or I'm just going to stick to the lifestyle section. FRAs are despicable, and I hate SJWs and feminism as much as the next guy. But it's getting to the point where most guys perspectives are completely warped from the constant influx of 'every girl is a hypergamous slut who rides the carousel just bangs bad boys, and I can't even consider that it's possible that a real rape happened here. If something goes against my view it's a conspiracy!'
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Neo,

You're completely wrong about this. There is no "manosphere kool aid" involved.

There is relentless and hysterical 24/7 propaganda about this case in the media right now -- it's at saturation levels. The Year Zero cadres have gone into a frenzy over it for the reasons I described.

There is no "conspiracy". It's just a case where the jury reached a bad decision based on believing typical female lies. This happens all the time and it's nothing new, unfortunately. What's new is the sacred status accorded to this slut's lying tale.

Take the time to read that hysterical, LITERARY and attention whoring victim statement full of the most obvious lies and understand what it means. It's not that hard to understand it if you put two and two together.

You say "you'll read more later"; fine -- but it's a good idea to read first, and pontificate afterwards.

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You want to read more about this case? Here is Turner's testimony:

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news...source=pkg

Quote:PALO ALTO -- For the first time since the sensational case rocked Stanford last year, former student athlete Brock Turner took the witness stand Wednesday in his trial on charges of sexually assaulting a woman who passed out drunk at a party, and testified she had consented to him touching her sexually.

Turner, 20, told the jury that the then-22-year-old woman danced with and kissed him at the Kappa Alpha fraternity party on Jan. 18, 2015, and said "yes" when he asked if she would like to go back with him to his dorm.

As they walked outside holding hands, he said, she slipped and they fell, then started kissing on the ground near an outdoor trash bin. He testified that she said "yes" when he asked her if he could touch her genitals and that he did for a minute. He said he asked her if she liked it and that she replied "uh huh.

He said "we" started "dry humping" -- rubbing against each other with their clothes on -- but said he then felt sick from the seven beers and two sips of whiskey he'd drunk. He said he stumbled away thinking he would vomit when he noticed another man near him asking what he was doing.

That man was Peter Jonsson, one of two bicyclists who had noticed the pair and told police they intervened because the woman seemed unconscious.

Turner told the jury of four women and eight men that he didn't understand their concern. But when one of the men tried to put him in a headlock to subdue him, "that made me really scared."

"I decided to run," Turner said, but one of the men tackled him. "I started screaming for help."

Turner said he recalled the man asking, "Do you think this is OK?"

"I had no idea what he was talking about," Turner testified. "It just seemed like he hated me or something."

Turner said the woman was awake and conscious the whole time, and when his lawyer asked him if he intended to rape her, he replied: "Absolutely not."

Turner faces three felony charges: sexually penetrating an intoxicated person, sexually penetrating an unconscious person and assault with intent to commit rape. If he is convicted, he would face a maximum of 10 years in prison. The trial is set to resume Friday, with closing arguments expected Monday.

Prosecutor Alaleh Kianerci contends that the woman was extremely drunk -- and that Turner knew it. She was unconscious and partly disrobed when the two bicyclists rode by and saw Turner atop her thrusting his hips.

The woman did not wake for at least three hours and had a blood-alcohol level more than three times the legal limit. Turner acknowledged Wednesday that she was "very drunk" but testified she was "no more drunk than anybody else" at the party.

One thing that no one seems to understand is that he NEVER EVEN FUCKED HER. He stuck a few fingers in her pussy -- when she was still fully conscious and wanted it.

For this, he's a sex offender for life and his life is essentially over.

Fuck. This. Gay. Earth. This is evil.

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