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(08-21-2016 07:40 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  
(08-21-2016 04:42 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Can you elaborate on having a unique property?


If it wasn't obvious already, I meant property as in characteristic. Not housing property, heh.

So the learning curve and practicality of learning Polish is so high and low respectively that many, many non polish natives are completely averse to learning Polish, even at a basic level. Even guys who have dated a Pole for 5+ years and lived here for just as long barely know a word. So it's not just my native compatriots, however it goes without saying that I will be compared to British stags or UK love migrants moreso than Italians, Spaniards et al.

So speaking in Polish demonstrates immediate value. Even if it's simply "Sorry but I don't understand, my Polish is poor. I'm English" (Przypraszam ale nie rozumiem, słabo znam Polski. Jestem Anglikiem), you will 95% of the time be returned with "łał, bardzo mowicz po Polsku (Wow, you speak very good Polish) or some derivative of that.

My bad, I thought you were referring to a home.

Yes, I get that as well. It is quite unusual that most expats who live in a foreign country don't feel the need to learn the language. They think English would be enough, go figure.

I can resonate with what you're saying from my experience with speaking Russian to native speakers. Do you see yourself picking up another language in due time?
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(08-22-2016 01:25 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Do you see yourself picking up another language in due time?
Just to clarify my polish is extremely poor, so it doesn't make logical sense to add another language into the mix. Even worse I might actually invest more time in that other language because it's simpler, which is impractical.

To add I have other hobbies; Mountaineering (including climbing), Yoga/Calisthenic's, trail/long distance running, I want to learn keyboard, I do a lot of work prep, you get my point.

Would I learn a third language eventually and which? Hmm, probably Hungarian? Or maybe I'll take a dive and learn Russian even though I'm averse to non latin characters. I don't see myself learning Spanish or Italian, I don't like their cultures.
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Personally I don't really like traveling and I've only been to one country aside from my own. I suddenly started learning languages in my mid 20's, spurred by taking an elementary course in estonian. I've since learned 9 languages (excluding my native language and including english) for 4-6 years depending on the definition of learning as there have been years when I have not attended any courses in a particular language.

In total I've completed courses in 20 languages (including my native tongue) but half of those languages ended with the introduction course out of practical necessity due to the teacher leaving town or the course being discontinued for some other reason. Though those courses were mere scrapes, they did at least allow me to gauge just how much effort you really need to put in a language if you're not surrounded by it or concentrating on only a few. What I thus found out was that one semester in community college does not give you any practical conversation skills (a2-b1 or higher); it's more like 4-6 years in community college assuming you don't actively seek out vocabulary and grammar knowledge that your course does not look into at the time, which changes everything obviously.

Languages did lead to one date that was awkward as hell and has superficially impressed a few girls but not on a sexual level. The only satisfying conversations I ever had were with guys. Needless to say that the sexual dimension was absent there as well. I realized I could have stuck my neck out with a lot more confidence in a situation or two if I had concentrated on max.5 languages instead of such a large number but given that I don't really have the hots for any culture and hate travel, I have not seen much reason to do with it.
What I've found out is that once you get fluent in the basics the language loses its magic and you start to wonder what other languages look like. I'm afraid that I'll never experience the high of discovery that I once had when starting out.

For the record I was diagnosed with Aspergers a long ago and though languages have boosted my confidence a lot, I'm still terrible with women.
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(08-22-2016 04:02 AM)SegaSaturn1994 Wrote:  Personally I don't really like traveling and I've only been to one country aside from my own. I suddenly started learning languages in my mid 20's, spurred by taking an elementary course in estonian. I've since learned 9 languages (excluding my native language and including english) for 4-6 years depending on the definition of learning as there have been years when I have not attended any courses in a particular language.

In total I've completed courses in 20 languages (including my native tongue) but half of those languages ended with the introduction course out of practical necessity due to the teacher leaving town or the course being discontinued for some other reason. Though those courses were mere scrapes, they did at least allow me to gauge just how much effort you really need to put in a language if you're not surrounded by it or concentrating on only a few. What I thus found out was that one semester in community college does not give you any practical conversation skills (a2-b1 or higher); it's more like 4-6 years in community college assuming you don't actively seek out vocabulary and grammar knowledge that your course does not look into at the time, which changes everything obviously.

Languages did lead to one date that was awkward as hell and has superficially impressed a few girls but not on a sexual level. The only satisfying conversations I ever had were with guys. Needless to say that the sexual dimension was absent there as well. I realized I could have stuck my neck out with a lot more confidence in a situation or two if I had concentrated on max.5 languages instead of such a large number but given that I don't really have the hots for any culture and hate travel, I have not seen much reason to do with it.
What I've found out is that once you get fluent in the basics the language loses its magic and you start to wonder what other languages look like. I'm afraid that I'll never experience the high of discovery that I once had when starting out.

For the record I was diagnosed with Aspergers a long ago and though languages have boosted my confidence a lot, I'm still terrible with women.

That is quite remarkable, being able to speak 9 languages and having studied 20 in total.

What were these languages?

I do agree with you that once you understand the basic grammar of a language, grasp the fundamental nuances of it and are able to express yourself, it only gets harder from then and achieving fluency becomes hard work.

You sound like you're just starting out with game. Take solace in the fact that once you've unplugged for awhile, and have built a decent lifestyle for yourself, women become your lowest priority. I am happy to discuss via PM if you wish.
08-26-2016 09:56 PM
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(08-26-2016 09:56 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  
(08-22-2016 04:02 AM)SegaSaturn1994 Wrote:  Personally I don't really like traveling and I've only been to one country aside from my own. I suddenly started learning languages in my mid 20's, spurred by taking an elementary course in estonian. I've since learned 9 languages (excluding my native language and including english) for 4-6 years depending on the definition of learning as there have been years when I have not attended any courses in a particular language.

In total I've completed courses in 20 languages (including my native tongue) but half of those languages ended with the introduction course out of practical necessity due to the teacher leaving town or the course being discontinued for some other reason. Though those courses were mere scrapes, they did at least allow me to gauge just how much effort you really need to put in a language if you're not surrounded by it or concentrating on only a few. What I thus found out was that one semester in community college does not give you any practical conversation skills (a2-b1 or higher); it's more like 4-6 years in community college assuming you don't actively seek out vocabulary and grammar knowledge that your course does not look into at the time, which changes everything obviously.

Languages did lead to one date that was awkward as hell and has superficially impressed a few girls but not on a sexual level. The only satisfying conversations I ever had were with guys. Needless to say that the sexual dimension was absent there as well. I realized I could have stuck my neck out with a lot more confidence in a situation or two if I had concentrated on max.5 languages instead of such a large number but given that I don't really have the hots for any culture and hate travel, I have not seen much reason to do with it.
What I've found out is that once you get fluent in the basics the language loses its magic and you start to wonder what other languages look like. I'm afraid that I'll never experience the high of discovery that I once had when starting out.

For the record I was diagnosed with Aspergers a long ago and though languages have boosted my confidence a lot, I'm still terrible with women.

That is quite remarkable, being able to speak 9 languages and having studied 20 in total.

What were these languages?

I do agree with you that once you understand the basic grammar of a language, grasp the fundamental nuances of it and are able to express yourself, it only gets harder from then and achieving fluency becomes hard work.

You sound like you're just starting out with game. Take solace in the fact that once you've unplugged for awhile, and have built a decent lifestyle for yourself, women become your lowest priority. I am happy to discuss via PM if you wish.
Thanks for the heads up/support.

My native tongue is finnish and english the second strongest language. I'm intermediate or, more neutrally expressed, have completed intermediate level courses in swedish, german, estonian, russian, french, portuguese, italian and spanish. As you can probably readily deduce, there's a fair bit of overlap in many of them, which makes learning much easier with the exception of russian.
In my home country you can take state sanctioned tests in all but estonian and portuguese.

I took introductory courses in hungarian, northern sami, chinese, japanese, turkish, finnish sign language, latin, karelian, esperanto and norwegian. I'm currently pondering whether or not to continue norwegian because it would be easy to bring up to a functional (A2 or higher) level based on prior exposure to swedish and to a lesser extent german.

It is believed that going beyond B2 is very unlikely to happen unless inhabiting a country where the language is spoken (with the exception of english in numerous countries; the first time I spoke english outside of a classroom I was already in my early 20's but had been writing for years). In fact a lot of immigrants probably struggle to reach B2 anyway. I've met a lot of people who still make obvious mistakes in their first few introduction sentences despite having lived here for several years. If you want to make languages your sport, I guess you'll have to decide do you want to be like those people, who can get by but will never be mistaken for a native or someone who can speak fewer languages in minute detail. Whatever the choice, the exciting thing is that there are always new courses to take and new languages to explore regardless; you might be able to visit every sovereign country of the world in your life if you're hell bent on it but you most likely won't utter a word in every language.
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Is learning a new language a good investment? I mean you will need to practice the language or any skill that you learn in your life if not you will forget it easy (and all the time you invested in learning this new skill was just waste of time)


For example, many people in this forum recommend learning Russian (Yeah the most beautiful girls live in these countries) but will you invest your time in learn Russian if you just have an interest in the Woman's of these countries and nothing more? (i think that hire a prostitute is cheaper)
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(11-08-2018 08:49 AM)Mksa21 Wrote:  Is learning a new language a good investment? I mean you will need to practice the language or any skill that you learn in your life if not you will forget it easy (and all the time you invested in learning this new skill was just waste of time)


For example, many people in this forum recommend learning Russian (Yeah the most beautiful girls live in these countries) but will you invest your time in learn Russian if you just have an interest in the Woman's of these countries and nothing more? (i think that hire a prostitute is cheaper)

With Russian and Polish I've found it to be worth it. Russians and Poles are all over the world and if you hear them speaking their languages you have a good excuse to start talking to them (Hi, I'm learning your language...). They have always been very impressed, in my experience, and end up wanting to be friends (men as well as women).

And knowing Polish has allowed me to stay in Poland for the long-term, which works great in conjunction with a digital nomad job because it's such a cheap, yet fantastic country to be in. And Polish women are the bomb. Not knowing the language would have made life here much more difficult.

Apart from that, I genuinely enjoy learning languages, probably because I enjoy communicating with people. I've found that if you like a language and are strongly motivated to learn it, it comes very easily.
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(11-08-2018 09:32 AM)falafel Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 08:49 AM)Mksa21 Wrote:  Is learning a new language a good investment? I mean you will need to practice the language or any skill that you learn in your life if not you will forget it easy (and all the time you invested in learning this new skill was just waste of time)


For example, many people in this forum recommend learning Russian (Yeah the most beautiful girls live in these countries) but will you invest your time in learn Russian if you just have an interest in the Woman's of these countries and nothing more? (i think that hire a prostitute is cheaper)

With Russian and Polish I've found it to be worth it. Russians and Poles are all over the world and if you hear them speaking their languages you have a good excuse to start talking to them (Hi, I'm learning your language...). They have always been very impressed, in my experience, and end up wanting to be friends (men as well as women).

And knowing Polish has allowed me to stay in Poland for the long-term, which works great in conjunction with a digital nomad job because it's such a cheap, yet fantastic country to be in. And Polish women are the bomb. Not knowing the language would have made life here much more difficult.

Apart from that, I genuinely enjoy learning languages, probably because I enjoy communicating with people. I've found that if you like a language and are strongly motivated to learn it, it comes very easily.

What are your motivations to learn Polish & Russian?
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Русские в каждой земле и не только Россияанин, но Украинцы и больше народов, которые знают русский язык. В етых народах самые красивые девушки в мире.

It's cool to know Russian. Actually it hasn't bring me anything yet, but I hope it will. Now there are Russian speaking girls everywhere. At least the most of the people around are impressed by this knowledge.
Today on my way to work I seriously started to think about starting learning Serbian, because that's another country I like, beside Russia

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I have been learning a second language and so have been looking for more reasons to justify it so I found this thread interesting. For me so far, these are the kinds of changes I have seen:

1. I feel like my universe has expanded to where I feel more comfortable traveling abroad or into these ethnic neighborhoods or starting conversations with strangers. Basically, it seems like more doors are open to me and I have more more confidence to go through them and it has influenced my perspective on things.

2. In purposes of game, learning a second language creates a DHV for me. It is a nice conversation topic with women that I can use and most women tend to like it whether they speak another language or not. Right now, my conversations tend to be mixtures of Spanglish but I am starting to progress to where I can start to have substantive conversations with women who can't speak English well and that creates more dating options.

3. I have confidence that I can now learn more foreign languages and have a proven system I can use to do so. This was all something I was unsure of before learning Spanish but now I can see how it is possible for me to pick up a couple more languages in the next 6 or 7 years. I think this result will have a multiplier effect on the rest of my life.

Potential extra benefits:

1. Some research or studies suggest it can help with brain health and offset dementia and Alzheimer's. So this could mean that you are able to think more clearly for more days of your life and even towards the end where these brain diseases can take hold. This alone could have a significant impact on the course of your life or the ability to enjoy some final memories of your life.

2. I find myself looking for ways to use my foreign language to justify my learning time. So I can see how learning extra languages causes one to adjust their life in such a way as to find extra value in their language learning. Basically, you will shape your life to find the value sort of like how water will change to take the shape of its container.
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(11-08-2018 12:04 PM)Mksa21 Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 09:32 AM)falafel Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 08:49 AM)Mksa21 Wrote:  Is learning a new language a good investment? I mean you will need to practice the language or any skill that you learn in your life if not you will forget it easy (and all the time you invested in learning this new skill was just waste of time)


For example, many people in this forum recommend learning Russian (Yeah the most beautiful girls live in these countries) but will you invest your time in learn Russian if you just have an interest in the Woman's of these countries and nothing more? (i think that hire a prostitute is cheaper)

With Russian and Polish I've found it to be worth it. Russians and Poles are all over the world and if you hear them speaking their languages you have a good excuse to start talking to them (Hi, I'm learning your language...). They have always been very impressed, in my experience, and end up wanting to be friends (men as well as women).

And knowing Polish has allowed me to stay in Poland for the long-term, which works great in conjunction with a digital nomad job because it's such a cheap, yet fantastic country to be in. And Polish women are the bomb. Not knowing the language would have made life here much more difficult.

Apart from that, I genuinely enjoy learning languages, probably because I enjoy communicating with people. I've found that if you like a language and are strongly motivated to learn it, it comes very easily.

What are your motivations to learn Polish & Russian?

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>>Is learning a new language a good investment? I mean you will need to practice the language or any skill that you learn in your life if not you will forget it easy (and all the time you invested in learning this new skill was just waste of time)

Interesting question. I'm retired and living off savings, and my idea of a good investment is something that reduces cost of living, more than something that increases income. Eventually I hope to move to Ukraine, which would dramatically reduce my cost of living, and knowing Russian will make that move easier, so yes, from my perspective, Russian seems like a good investment.

I have my doubts as to how useful languages other than English are to most younger guys. I enjoyed learning foreign languages when I was younger. It was a diversion from computer work and fitted in with dreams of eventual retirement and travel, like I do now. I can't imagine that I world ever have bothered learning languages if I didn't enjoy the process almost as much as the final result. I certainly world never have learned languages just to get more access to women.
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Life changing really isn't an understatement. Even if you're average IQ just focus on romance languages. I've tried Arabic and that is seriously hard because the pronunciations sound the same and the letters have minor variations that can trip you up. I believe Tim Ferriss said adults don't have a hard time learning languages they just have more excuses to quit.

There's obvious benefits to speaking multiple languages or even just 2:
Fucking girls, higher odds of getting promoted, higher odds of getting hired, higher chances of your business succeeding, higher quality of chicks you retain, etc. To put it in layman's terms: YOU ARE VALUABLE WITH MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.

I personally know 2 languages and am going into sales. My other language which I started about 15 years ago is rusty so I have to spend about a week to remember everything. When I think about it now I will add that language into my resume (DUH!). I ideally want to be fluent in 4 languages. Just a slight problem with being a polygot since your brain can only focus on so many things on a given day.

Benny Lewis claims the faster you learn a language the easier it is to forget so this is probably one of those topics where you have to dedicate yourself for at least a year to reap a lifetime of benefits. My current strategy is playing audios in my car, having a pocket reference guide, reading material during airport trips, and using flashcards on my cellphone. Or you could do stupid stuff like watch porn, complain about Trump, or whatever shit average people do. Good luck!

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Being in Luxembourg, I was always confronted with other languages. I spoke Luxembourgish with my dad, Polish with my mom, both spoke German to each other and I watched cartoons and movies in German (and still prefer it over English). At the age of 8-9, kids are introduced to French at school and to be fairly honest, even I studied it for x years + being confronted with it every day, I have a strong dislike for it. It is also the most difficult language for me, until today. Don't get me wrong I am happy to speak French, but the attitude of most French is rude here in Luxembourg, they don't learn Luxembourgish expecting me to speak French with them LOL. I always put the heaviest Luxembourgish accent, paired with the most old fashioned expressions when I meet one of this specimen, trust me I can smell them from far.

Later on I learned English when I was 14 at school and knowing Luxembourgish, German and French helped greatly. (Actually Luxembourgish has more similarities with English than German and I am talking about old expressions, not words like computer). My Italian is rusty, my Czech is good to talk a bit in the shops and my Spanish (the latest addition in my language baggage) took a big leap forward. Despite knowing it for 2 years, I find it somehow easier than French, it just clicks in my head.

Btw don't get me started with Polish grammar, oh boy!
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Didn't know that was a language...thought you all spoke french
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