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Is Russia waiting for the west to collapse from debts, migrant invaders & feminism ?
It seems Russia is watching the world situation closely and in particular what is happening in Europe. Western countries are weak and getting weaker every year, and Russia knows this. In contrast, Russia itself been the only strong European bulwark against open borders, rampant feminism and homosexuality.


Specifically these 4 points of weakness and vulnerability in the west are to be considered:

1. Financial Concerns
Many western countries are heavily debt laden and may have a financial collapse soon. The euro itself has been on shaky ground for many years now.
2. Social Unrest
The migrant invasion of Europe has brought and will continue to bring major instability and internal conflict to the civil order of various western nations.
3. Feminism
Rampant uncontrolled feminism has greatly weakened the strength and decision making power of the governments of various nations.
4. Weak Armed Forces
Various European countries have abolished compulsory military conscription while at the same time have let women join their armed forces. These armies are weak and severely underfunded. Also, many western men are overweight, obese, or generally out of shape in general and would be useless in military fighting if they were drafted overnight.


After the examples of when Russia took over Crimea in 2014 and small parts of Georgia in 2008, it seems to me that Russia is once again waiting for the situation to deteriorate to such an extent that they can make their next move. European civil unrest between natives and migrants, or a serious financial depression (or both) could be just the final weakness Russia is waiting for. They seem to be testing the defenses of bordering NATO countries on a regular basis now, while at the same time warning Finland not to join NATO, and also bringing more troops, naval forces and weapons into their territory of Kaliningrad which is between Poland and Lithuania.

While I'm all for seeing the destruction of feminism and the return of the patriarchy and its values in the west, I'm not so sure that Russia overrunning neighboring countries would produce the outcomes we necessarily would want.

Here's 3 recent articles on developments that caught my eye

http://www.baltictimes.com/nato_jets_in_..._aircraft/

Quote: NATO jets in Baltics scrambled 3 times last week to escort Russian aircraft
 2016-07-06

NATO fighter jets serving in the Alliance's air-policing mission in the Baltics rushed three times last week to identify and escort Russian military aircraft flying in international airspace over the Baltic Sea, the Lithuanian National Defense Ministry announced on Tuesday. The Russian aircraft, including two reconnaissance planes, two Su-27 fighter jets, and a Tu-134 transport plane, were intercepted by NATO jets on June 27, 28, and 30 in international airspace between the Baltic Sea exclave of Kaliningrad and mainland Russia. The reconnaissance planes and fighter jets did not have pre-filed flight plans, had their onboard transponders off, and were not communicating with air traffic control centres via radio. The Tu-134 plane had a flight plan, had turned on his onboard transponder, and was maintaining radio communication. The NATO air policing mission in the Baltic region is conducted from Lithuania and Estonia. NATO officials have reprimanded Russia for its fighter jets often flying without pre-filed flight plans and with their onboard transponders off. Additionally, NATO patrols detected two Russian military aircraft near Latvian territorial waters in the Baltic Sea Tuesday, according to the information from the Latvian National Armed Forces. The detected planes are An-26 and Tu-134. By June 20 this year Russian military aircraft and ships have been spotted near Latvia's border 395 times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/world/....html?_r=0

Quote:Russia Fires Dozens of Military Officers in Baltic Region

By IVAN NECHEPURENKO - JUNE 30, 2016

MOSCOW — In a sweeping military shake-up, Russia has replaced the top commanders of its Baltic Fleet, which patrols a region that has become the main fault line between Russia and the West. The exact reasons for the mass dismissal, involving dozens of officers, remain unclear. But the public nature of the abrupt change, announced on Wednesday by Defense Minister Sergei K. Shoigu, was unprecedented. The fleet commander, Vice Admiral Viktor Kravchuk; his chief of staff, Vice Admiral Sergei Popov; and the other officers were fired for “dereliction of duty” and “distortion of the real state of things,” according to a statement by the Defense Ministry summarizing what the minister had said behind closed doors to senior military commanders. The statement went on to say that the commanders had been responsible for “serious drawbacks in the organization of military training and everyday activities” and “lack of proper care for the personnel.” “This is the first time in Russia’s modern history that commanders have been dismissed in such a way,” said Valentin Selivanov, a military analyst, retired admiral and former deputy head of the Russian Navy. “These commanders must have made a series of serious mistakes.” The dismissals are all the more surprising because President Vladimir V. Putin, who would have approved them, visited the fleet’s main base at Baltiysk last July and was unsparing in his praise. “The Baltic Fleet is performing its missions well — not just here in the Baltic, where it is based, but is also carrying our flag with honor in other parts of the world’s oceans, too,” Mr. Putin said a year ago.

The Baltic Fleet headquarters is in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, squeezed between Poland and Lithuania, both NATO members. In recent years, Russia and NATO repeatedly accused each other of stirring up tensions in the region by deploying more arms and conducting provocative maneuvers. Russia has repeatedly criticized what it calls NATO’s growing presence in the Baltic. The NATO secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, confirmed at a news conference in June that the alliance would deploy four multinational battalions in rotation, each consisting of up to 1,000 soldiers, to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland to keep Moscow in check. Russia has said that it will not engage in a new arms race with the West, a point repeated by Mr. Putin on Thursday, but that it will be ready to defend itself. “These actions of the Western colleagues undermine the strategic stability in Europe and force us to take retaliatory measures, primarily in the Western strategic direction,” Mr. Shoigu, the defense minister, said during the meeting Wednesday. The Russian response has included adding ships and thousands of troops answering to the Baltic Fleet. With the additional deployments, the number of Russian service members deployed on the country’s western borders could grow by thousands, said Aleksei G. Arbatov, an expert at the Carnegie Moscow Center. “The role of the Baltic Fleet is growing, but it can all spiral out of control,” Mr. Arbatov said. “NATO deploys a battalion, we respond by deploying an army. If we want to make Sweden and Finland join NATO, there is no better way to do it.”



NATO countries in Europe
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Note: this map still shows Crimea as part of Ukraine, it's now "de facto" part of Russia


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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...sion-fears

Quote:Putin’s Military Buildup in the Baltic Stokes Invasion Fears

by Henry Meyer - July 7, 2016

Vadim Kuznetsov says his excursion-boat business along Russia’s border with Poland has been torpedoed by a new Cold War. “They’re scared,” Kuznetsov said of the Poles, once his main customers, who no longer venture across the border for fishing trips. “What have they got to be afraid of?” he asked, his idle boat moored at a jetty. Some of the explanation is anchored just a few hundred meters away at the main base for Russia’s Baltic Fleet. A minesweeper and a guided-missile cruiser give a hint of the biggest Russian military build-up in the region since Communism collapsed. For most of that period, Kaliningrad, an enclave wedged between Poland and Lithuania, tried to turn itself into a gateway for European investment. But amid Russia’s recent rearmament, the region has increasingly returned to its Soviet-era role as a garrison on the strategic Baltic Sea coast. This time, however, the countries just to Kaliningrad’s east -- the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia -- are members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, not part of the Soviet Union. How to protect them, which was a largely hypothetical question for the alliance until Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, has now become a central challenge for NATO. Their location, all but cut off from the rest of the alliance by Kaliningrad, has turned them into an oversized version of West Berlin, which had to rely on Western airlifts during a Soviet blockade during 1948-49. Largely surrounded by Russia, the Baltics are too exposed to defend effectively but too important for the alliance not to protect.

“NATO could not have militarily prevented a determined Soviet effort to overrun West Berlin, nor can it militarily prevent a determined Russian effort to overrun the Baltic states. But if the Soviets had overrun West Berlin, that would have meant war with NATO,” said Thomas Graham, a senior White House aide at the time the three countries joined the alliance more than a decade ago. “In theory, the same thing should hold true if the Russians made an effort to overrun any Baltic state.” To help dispel doubts about its commitment, NATO this week will approve plans to deploy four battalions to rotate through the region. But though bigger than what the military bloc has ever placed there before, the units will still be dwarfed by Russia’s forces on the other side of the border. The Kremlin, which is spending 20 trillion rubles (about $313 billion) on an ambitious defense upgrade through 2020, argues that it’s just responding to NATO’s encroachment toward Russian borders. In May, Russia announced plans to put two new divisions in the Western region and another in the south. That could be about 30,000 troops, compared to 4,000 in NATO’s plan. Countries like Sweden and Finland that remained neutral through the Cold War are now considering joining NATO.

“In the Baltic States – and elsewhere – Russia is feared,” Finnish President Sauli Niinistoe said last week after a meeting with Vladimir Putin. The Russian leader responded that NATO’s buildup was a risk to his country’s security. “All this creates an obvious threat for us that no one wants to notice," he said, suggesting that if Finland joined the alliance, Russia could respond by moving troops closer to its border. Russia already has contingency plans for an attack on the Baltic states, as they belong to a hostile military alliance, according to a person close to the Russian Defense Ministry. The Kremlin could intervene militarily to defend ethnic Russia minorities there, for example, though this scenario is highly unlikely, the person said. Even short of a full-scale attack, uncertainties about NATO’s ability to defend its members cast a shadow across the entire region. In 2007, for example, Estonia suffered a cyber-attack that crippled its highly computerized government and economy over a period of several weeks. Western officials blamed Russia, though the Kremlin denied any role. “What the Russians would like to do politically is to undermine the confidence the Baltic states have in NATO’s Article Five guarantee,” said Steven Pifer, who served as U.S. deputy assistant of state from 2001-2004, referring to the treaty provision on mutual defense. Some say the Kremlin has succeeded in creating a climate of insecurity without actually needing to fight. Putin “wants to divide Europe, divide NATO, and he’s got a multitude of policies that he keeps pursuing to achieve those ends,” said Michael McFaul, who was U.S. ambassador to Russia from 2011-2014. “Raising the specter of conflict in the Baltic states increases the debate in other capitals in Europe, is this such a good idea for us?” At the same time, major additional NATO deployments in the region could provoke a further Russian buildup as the Kremlin seeks to protect St. Petersburg, the country’s second-largest city. “It’s a vicious circle,” Finnish President Niinistoe warned in his appearance with Putin last week. Kaliningrad’s isolation from the rest of Russia also creates risks, as the Kremlin might try to seize the 100-kilometer wide strip on the Polish-Lithuanian border known as the Suwalki gap that separates the enclave from Belarus, a Russian ally. In the Cold War, NATO defense efforts focused on the Fulda gap, a strip of the border with East Germany through which invading Soviet tanks were expected to move. Risks to the Baltic countries’ security seemed remote when they were brought into NATO in 2004. “Russia was seen as a potential, even if problematic, partner and no one was thinking about it as a military threat,” said Pifer. Fears in the region grew after the 2008 war in Georgia, on Russia’s southern border, the Kremlin’s first major use of forces outside the country since the collapse of the Soviet Union. But by the next year, the U.S. was in the midst of its “reset” policy aimed at improving relations with Russia and had little appetite for confrontation. The conflict in Ukraine changed everything, as leaders in the U.S. and Europe warned that Russia’s annexation of Crimea was a threat to security across the whole region. NATO began discussions that led to the deployment to be announced at the Warsaw summit. Still, NATO officials admit those forces would hardly be enough to stop a Russian assault.

“Current NATO plans aren’t enough,” said retired general Ants Laaneots, who commanded Estonia’s forces from 2006-2011. Together, the three Baltic countries, whose combined size and population equals the U.S. state of Missouri, have about 28,000 troops, mostly lightly armed and with very little air or sea fighting capability. A Russian lightning strike would be able to reach the capitals of Estonia and Latvia in 36 to 60 hours, said a report by the RAND Corporation think tank, which was based on a series of war games staged between summer 2014 and spring 2015. “The balance of forces in the region is such that Russia has the potential to present NATO with something of a fait accompli in the Baltics,” said RAND’s David Shlapak. Forces stationed in the region, including more than 50 ships and two submarines and advanced S-400 air-defense systems, together with other land, naval and air assets on Russia’s western flank, would allow it to effectively close off the Baltic Sea and skies to NATO reinforcements, defense experts say. “Air space is going to be contested in a way the U.S. and its allies haven’t had to deal with for over two decades,” said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. Seized from Germany at the end of World War II, when it was known as Koenigsberg, Kaliningrad would be a key base in any Russian operation in the region. “Before the U.S. takes any aggressive actions against Russia, they should think very carefully what they’ll get in response,” said Boris Kosenkov, head of the Kaliningrad veterans’ association and a former general who served in East Germany in the 1980s.
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NATO countries should make a deal... Konigsberg back to Germany or Poland, in exchange for recognizing Crimea and a treaty agreeing neither Ukraine nor Georgia will join NATO.

Supposedly the Russians offered to give Kalinigrad back in the 1990's but the Germans didn't want it, it being a radioactive naval dump.

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What would the point of conquest be for Russia?

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(07-07-2016 10:16 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  NATO countries should make a deal... Konigsberg back to Germany or Poland, in exchange for recognizing Crimea and a treaty agreeing neither Ukraine nor Georgia will join NATO.

That's a bad deal....giving up a strategic geographical and militarily vital territory conquered in wartime, in exchange for a "recognition" of another territory you control anyway, and a few extra treaties (essentially pieces of paper) that can be torn up anytime your adversary feels like it.

(07-07-2016 10:16 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  Supposedly the Russians offered to give Kalinigrad back in the 1990's but the Germans didn't want it, it being a radioactive naval dump.

Not exactly...the 1st non-Soviet Russian government run by Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s was near total bankruptcy and offered to sell the entire Kaliningrad region back to the Germans.
The German government thought the price was way too high, didn't like the other conditions of sale, and in the end didn't cough up the cash.


Russia's economic success came years later after Putin broke the power of the oligarchs and consolidated power.
Putin paid off most of Russia's (and the Soviet Union's) external debts in that time.
The offer was not made to Germany ever again.
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I don't believe Putin is looking for a fight, but he's certainly adhering to the old wisdom. "If you want peace, then prepare for war".

He knows the globalists are desperate to roll him along with all of Russia because they're the last bastion of unbroken white culture. That's why all this gay shit is being pushed on them by dozens of "NGOs" which is another name for globalist troublemaker organisations.

He'll push, because if you don't push then you get pushed over.
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RE: Is Russia waiting for the west to collapse from debts, migrant invaders & feminism ?
I read this post on /v/european that highlights various demographics problems in Russia: https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/201...t-of-time/

Makes a few good points worth considering such as the small pool of skilled labour, native ethnic russians dying out due to low life expectancy and low fertility rate and their own immigration problem from China, the middle east and surrounding asian countries.

Russia has its own immigration problem, not even factoring in illegals they have a huge muslim population of which contribute the most to ISIS, surpassing that of Western Europe.

It's easy to just think they are sitting back and watching the world burn, but the truth is they have their own, similar problems they need to deal with, and fast.
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NATO members the Baltics and Turkey are a pincer move on Russia waiting to happen, and strategically Russia needs them friendly or neutral. Putin is not the bad guy here.

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Putin and Russian leaders are sensing that West is in eve of some major shift. They are bracing themselves.
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(07-07-2016 10:16 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  NATO countries should make a deal... Konigsberg back to Germany or Poland, in exchange for recognizing Crimea and a treaty agreeing neither Ukraine nor Georgia will join NATO.

Supposedly the Russians offered to give Kalinigrad back in the 1990's but the Germans didn't want it, it being a radioactive naval dump.

Why should they give land away? More importantly, the base of the Baltic fleet.

What guarantees do Russia have that Ukraine and Georgia would not join NATO?
The same that where given to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand east? As we saw, some years later they where already at Russia borders.

Kaliningrad was offered in the 90s? Another proof that Yeltsin and company where fifth columnists working for CIA and globalists.
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Well, I for one am learning Russian and happily welcome our new Slavic red pill overlords.
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NATO is basically a signed guarantee the United States and the UK will defend the whole frontier. If NATO falls these tiny little militaries will need to look for new leadership.

I dont believe Russia needs to do any invading. These countries possibly will go East with open arms.
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(07-07-2016 11:36 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  I read this post on /v/european that highlights various demographics problems in Russia: https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/201...t-of-time/

Makes a few good points worth considering such as the small pool of skilled labour, native ethnic russians dying out due to low life expectancy and low fertility rate and their own immigration problem from China, the middle east and surrounding asian countries.

Russia has its own immigration problem, not even factoring in illegals they have a huge muslim population of which contribute the most to ISIS, surpassing that of Western Europe.

It's easy to just think they are sitting back and watching the world burn, but the truth is they have their own, similar problems they need to deal with, and fast.

Mostly correct except that few Chinese are immigrating to Russia. The bigger thing, as the article mentions, is that Chinese corporate and government interests are gradually turning Russia into Beijing's vassal. Of course, that's still a step up from westernization.
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I've started to get doubts on Russia being the shining traditional light that stands up to the USA, not just based on Putin's actions, but through the fact that Russia has a Rothschild-friendly central bank affiliated with the BIS (Bank For International Settlements).

Just like in the USA, Russia's central bank is an independent entity that does not have to take marching orders from Putin, and as you know, the people who control a nation's money supply controls the nation.

In 2009, Putin did a very globalist thing of proposing partnership with the IMF to create a new reserve currency:

Quote:The Kremlin published its priorities Monday for an upcoming meeting of the G20, calling for the creation of a supranational reserve currency to be issued by international institutions as part of a reform of the global financial system.

The International Monetary Fund should investigate the possible creation of a new reserve currency, widening the list of reserve currencies or using its already existing Special Drawing Rights, or SDRs, as a "superreserve currency accepted by the whole of the international community," the Kremlin said in a statement issued on its web site.

The SDR is an international reserve asset, created by the IMF in 1969 to supplement the existing official reserves of member countries.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/a...75364.html

Quote:Why would Putin, a supposedly anti-globalist nationalist leader, want the IMF, a supposedly U.S.-controlled institution, to be the global purveyor and overlord of the world economy? It’s because the IMF is not a U.S.-controlled institution; it is a banker-controlled institution. And Putin is a globalist, not a nationalist.

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Putin’s nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize for his “intervention” in the Syrian crisis is celebrated by many freedom fighters here in America, when, in reality, the Obama Administration’s failure to achieve a war footing in the region had nothing to do with the actions of Russia.

Remember, Russia and the U.S. are nothing but false champions dueling in a fake gladiator match paid for by the IMF. The war against Syria was thwarted because the elites were unable to garner enough public support from the American people to make the action viable. Every engineered war needs a gullible percentage of the population to give it momentum.

http://new.euro-med.dk/20140405-activist...ks-too.php

When Putin speaks of "speculators" he's talking about globalist bankers who determine Russia's fate. He's begging them to stop.

Quote:I’d like to ask the Bank of Russia and the Government to carry out tough and concerted actions to discourage the so-called speculators from playing on fluctuations of the Russian currency. In this regard, I’d like to point out that the authorities know who these speculators are. We have the proper instruments of influence, and the time is ripe to use them.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/47173

Based on the structure of the CBR, its policies are wholly determined by the Fed and Chinese central bank.

Quote:When a country operates a fixed exchange rate system, it de facto adopts the monetary policy of whichever country issues the currency to which it pegs its own currency. In the case of the ruble, that is the United States. And as I have noted before, because China has large US$ reserves and a currency peg to the US$, the Fed’s policy is to a degree determined by the People’s Bank of China (PBOC). After all, a currency peg has two sides. It is unusual for the pegging country to influence the monetary policy of the country to which it pegs: usually a smaller, weaker country pegs its currency to a the currency of a larger, stronger country, and the larger country simply ignores the smaller one. But the US and China are now sufficiently close in size and strength to influence each other. Both also influence the oil price, and as Russia is an oil exporter, that has significant effects on the Russian economy. In effect, Russia’s monetary policy has until now been jointly determined by the Fed and the PBOC.

This means that the CBR has never really been in control of either the ruble or monetary policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppo...how-long/#

In other words, Russia's fiscal policies are determined in great part by it's supposed number one enemy who is supposed to be its anti-thesis! The setup stinks!

The CBR structure means that Russia can only print money based on its foreign reserves, which are determined by its oil sales (it sells oil in dollars). Therefore to control Russia, one only has to tank the price the oil.

Putin is a player in the game. He is not wholly independent as we think, but is constrained by actions of BIS bankers. But as of right now, he has not gone "rogue" by closing up the CBR, and so we must proceed as if he is fully controlled opposition.

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Russia is part of the elite and the establishment. This might sound crazy to many but it's actually true. I mean the elite created the Soviet Union (You can read all about this. They financed and established the USSR) The elite also abolished the Soviet Union in the early 90's. It didn't happen by accident! Now do you really think they just left Russia on its own? Of course not. The elite is still in control of Russia just like they were 20 years ago. Putin and the "evil" east is just an act. I mean Russia is part of the United Nations and as Roosh said, they have the exact same central banking system as we westerns do. The fact that Russia is anti west (apparently) serves a special purpose for the elite aka central banks. I don't want to go too deep into this. I came to this forum for the pussy and now I'm here. Everybody who really wants to understand what is going on should read the book. "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" very strong book.

Total globalism is where we are heading. Give Russia 10 - 15 more years and they will be part of the west! I mean they are already being westernized by their media, music, food, fashion just about everything in Russia is coming from the west.
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(07-07-2016 04:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Putin is a player in the game. He is not wholly independent as we think, but is constrained by actions of BIS bankers. But as of right now, he has not gone "rogue" by closing up the CBR, and so we must proceed as if he is fully controlled opposition.

You have probably heard about The Saker blog (thesaker.is), there are several posts where he talks about this situation, the situation is more complicated in Russia then it seems. There are still strong number of liberal West-loving people in Russia's power structures, and the fight for control between them and Russian nationalists is not over. The biggest victory of Putin is that the hard power ministries (military, police, emergency services) are in control of the patriots, but the economy is still mostly in the hands of Atlantic integrationists.

edit: Here is one of the posts detailing the situation http://thesaker.is/putins-biggest-failure/ if you search the term "Atlantic Integrationists" on his blog you will find more posts on the subject.
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Roosh - it's pretty late over here and I don't have the time to go into this with much depth but here are just a few highlights:

When Putin asks the IMF to create a new global reserve currency he of course knows that they'll never do it. You need to differentiate between what Putin says and the strings he's pulling behind the scenes. Never forget that he used to work for the KGB until the early nineties and then later got promoted the director of the FSB. He's extremely smart and among other languages speaks fluent German. I would never interpret anything Putin says in a literal sense. His briefings and speeches for me are like moves on a chess board. He's making a move and already thinks five steps ahead in regards to what responses he'll get back. So a Putin asking for a global currency replacing the Dollar was nothing but an attempt to discredit the United States and the Federal Reserve.

When the U.S. instructed Saudi Arabia to basically dump a ton of crude onto the market the real intent was to weaken Russia by destroying its main source of income. And it has worked wonders. Of course Putin is going to make statements against speculators because he cannot openly point the finger at OPEC and especially Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure what exactly the relationship between those two is but let's assume that he does not want to touch that hornet's nest with a ten foot pole.

China: That peg has mostly benefitted China and they can drop the peg at a moment's notice and will do just that when it's in their long term interest. Right now the peg remains to some extent but China is already slowly shifting to pegging its renminbi to a basket of currencies. Be careful with Forbes articles which are heavily biased toward a U.S. perspective.

Of course Putin/Russia needs to play by the rules to some extent. Except for the U.S. very few countries that matter these days really fully control their currency anymore. Here in Europe Draghi is running the show (much to the chagrin of the Germans). The Swiss Bank is a joke, second only to the desperate games played by the BOJ. Everyone is in an arms race to the bottom (ZIRP and such) and in this environment a weak currency is not necessarily a problem. What is a problem is the cost of commodities and by destroying oil prices a bit over a year ago the U.S. really delivered a big hit to Putin.

However you cannot suppress oil prices ad infinitum, as it is a finite asset. At some point prices are going to push back above the 50 mark and beyond. Putin's time will come and given the shit hand he's been holding over the past 10 years I think he's played the game admirably as the West has not been able to weaken his popularity nor his power.

You are correct about the ethnic problems in Russia.
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(07-07-2016 04:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Putin is a player in the game. He is not wholly independent as we think, but is constrained by actions of BIS bankers. But as of right now, he has not gone "rogue" by closing up the CBR, and so we must proceed as if he is fully controlled opposition.


This may be true, but we must never forget that Russia still has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons on earth, even slightly larger than the USA.
They have over 7000 nuclear warheads of which 1700 are currently active, combined with one of the largest armed forces on earth.

So, which gives your country greater freedom, self determination and autonomy ?
Ludicrous wealth with near total control of the world financial system or sheer destructive unlimited firepower ?
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Russia gets too much credit. Their military is weak and antiquated. This was demonstrated in Syria. Their economy is severely weakened due to sanctions and low oil prices. The standard of living outside Moscow and St Petersburg is third world. They also have their own immigration problems. Try getting a taxi in Moscow, the drivers, all from the middle east need gps to get to very well know places.

Russia has hot and feminine women. All the rest is a smoke in mirrors.
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Well they dont have to wait long....

Deus vult!
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(07-08-2016 06:51 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Russia gets too much credit. Their military is weak and antiquated. This was demonstrated in Syria. Their economy is severely weakened due to sanctions and low oil prices. The standard of living outside Moscow and St Petersburg is third world. They also have their own immigration problems. Try getting a taxi in Moscow, the drivers, all from the middle east need gps to get to very well know places.

Russia has hot and feminine women. All the rest is a smoke in mirrors.

Ignorant claim, it's the exact opposite, Russia's display of military power has astonished western military analysts, their tech is excellent and much cheaper than American.
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(07-08-2016 06:51 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Russia gets too much credit. Their military is weak and antiquated. This was demonstrated in Syria. Their economy is severely weakened due to sanctions and low oil prices. The standard of living outside Moscow and St Petersburg is third world. They also have their own immigration problems. Try getting a taxi in Moscow, the drivers, all from the middle east need gps to get to very well know places.

+1. Totally agree with that (for quibbling, taxi drivers are not from Midle East, but from Caucasus)

That said, Russia doesn't have just have "hot and feminine women". Russia does have an unestimable treasure, its culture.
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Roosh, I've noticed you've taken a more conspiracy theory oriented approach. I would advise not to go down that route.

If you want to know about these things in Russia just understand you are talking about jews and jewish involvement in Russia, not strange international cabals.

Putin is above all a pragmatic, not an anti-semitte, he tries with an honest intention to work within the excisting UN framework. Putin does not want full breakdown of the UN or other international institutions.

You can't just do away with the jewish banking system even if you're Putin in a few years.

Why would jewish interests attack Putin so viciously if he was one of them?

Where it goes wrong is where people think Putin is some kind of great savior of the European people, that he is not, he is a russian nationalist.
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(07-08-2016 06:51 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Russia gets too much credit. Their military is weak and antiquated. This was demonstrated in Syria. Their economy is severely weakened due to sanctions and low oil prices. The standard of living outside Moscow and St Petersburg is third world.

During the time of Napoleon's invasion in 1812 and again during Hitler's invasion in 1941 Russia's economy was severely weakened, the standard of living outside cities was 3rd world, and the military was weak and antiquated in an even much worse shape than it is today. Both times Russia not only won the battles, but conquered vast amounts of territory in the process. During World War II they had practically no air force whatsoever and had the entire German war machine (combined with the Luftwaffe) mobilized to come destroy them. The Germans were rich and powerful at the time with a very modern army and weaponry. Still couldn't conquer them.

Russia has never won wars by having the best technology or vast amounts of money...they have always won battles by overwhelming numbers of troops and unlimited territory.

Obviously they don't win all their battles...tsar Nicholas II lost to the Germans in world war I with Lenin signing the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in 1918, and Gorbachev lost in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989...but it also depends on the competence of the leader.

Since Putin has gotten in power he has ended the war in Chechnya that Boris Yeltsin made a huge mess of, invaded and conquered parts of Georgia and reclaimed all of Crimea without firing a single shot. I think Putin's credentials as a competent military leader that gets results have been proven.
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(07-08-2016 07:14 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Roosh, I've noticed you've taken a more conspiracy theory oriented approach. I would advise not to go down that route.

If you want to know about these things in Russia just understand you are talking about jews and jewish involvement in Russia, not strange international cabals.

Putin is above all a pragmatic, not an anti-semitte, he tries with an honest intention to work within the excisting UN framework. Putin does not want full breakdown of the UN or other international institutions.

You can't just do away with the jewish banking system even if you're Putin in a few years.

Why would jewish interests attack Putin so viciously if he was one of them?

Where it goes wrong is where people think Putin is some kind of great savior of the European people, that he is not, he is a russian nationalist.

Agreed totally. Would also add that the only country in the world who does not have a Central Banking system is North Korea. And of the countries affiliated with the BIS they comprise all of the developed and in development nations, including China. Basically only 3d world is not affiliated.

I would say that it is also very naive to think that Putin, Russia or the Russians in general give a damn about the wellbeing of European and American peoples, who still regard them as some kind of sub-human agressors. It is a very pragmatic and stoic Nation, first them, and in fact traditions and culture are much stronger over there (not only in Russia, but across Russkoe Mir).

As for the military mighty, its been clearly shown in Syria what Russia is capable of nowadays, and Tanks are not even rolling... The joke here is when will be available the F-35s.
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NATO is now moving more troops into eastern Europe:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-nato-su...KKCN0ZN2NN

Quote:NATO agrees to reinforce eastern Poland, Baltic states against Russia

Jul 8, 2016 - By Robin Emmott and Sabine Siebold


NATO leaders agreed on Friday to deploy military forces to the Baltic states and eastern Poland for the first time and increase air and sea patrols to reassure allies who were once part of the Soviet bloc following Russia's seizure of Crimea from Ukraine. The 28-nation Western defence alliance decided to move four battalions totalling 3,000 to 4,000 troops into northeastern Europe on a rotating basis to display its readiness to defend eastern members against any Russian aggression. However, they also underlined their willingness to pursue a dialogue with Moscow and revive confidence-building measures that Russia has spurned since its 2014 annexation of Crimea and support for Russian-speaking rebels in eastern Ukraine. "These battalions will be robust and they will be multinational. They make clear that an attack on one ally will be considered an attack on the whole alliance," NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told a news conference after the summit's first working session in Warsaw, the Polish capital.

President Barack Obama said the United States would deploy about 1,000 soldiers in Poland under the plan "to enhance our forward presence in central and eastern Europe". Germany will lead the battalion in Lithuania, Britain in Estonia and Canada in Latvia. Other nations such as France will supply troops. Obama said earlier that Britain's referendum vote to leave the European Union, an outcome he sought to avoid, should not weaken the Western alliance but raised "significant questions" about the future of European integration. America's "special relationship" with the UK would survive, the president said. Host nation Poland set a tone of mistrust of Russian intentions. Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski told a pre-summit forum: "We have to reject any type of wishful thinking with regard to pragmatic cooperation with Russia as long as it keeps on invading its neighbours." Obama was more diplomatic, calling for dialogue with Russia, but he too urged allies to keep sanctions on Moscow in place until it fully complies with a ceasefire agreement in Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO but President Petro Poroshenko will meet allied leaders on Saturday, where he may face pressure to fulfil Kiev's part of the agreement by accepting more decentralisation and local elections in the rebel-held eastern Donbass region. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that while NATO was increasing its defence capabilities, it was always keen for dialogue with Moscow. A planned meeting of the long frozen NATO-Russia Council next week would address ways to avoid dangerous situations in Baltic air space, she said.

Russian warplanes have been buzzing Western civilian and military aircraft and switching off their identification signals as part of an apparent campaign of intimidation in response to Western economic sanctions over its action in Ukraine. "Just as there are understandings between the United States and Russia in Syria, it's in both sides' interests that NATO and Russia also coordinate their activities," Merkel said. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland had requested a permanent NATO presence, fearing Moscow will seek to destabilise their pro-Western governments through cyber attacks, stirring up Russian speakers, hostile broadcasts or territorial incursions. The three Baltic states, as well as Ukraine, are former Soviet republics that gained independence when the Soviet Union broke up in 1991. The head of NATO's military committee, Czech General Petr Pavel, said Russia was attempting to restore its status as a world power, an effort that included using its military. "We must accept that Russia can be a competitor, adversary, peer or partner and probably all four at the same time," he said.

The Kremlin said it was absurd for NATO to talk of any threat from Russia and it hoped "common sense" would prevail at the Warsaw summit. Moscow remains open to dialogue with NATO and is ready to cooperate with it, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a conference call with journalists. Russia often depicts NATO as an aggressor whose members are moving troops and military hardware further into former Soviet territory, which it regards as its sphere of influence. Russia President Vladimir Putin discussed diplomatic efforts for a settlement in Ukraine in a phone call with Merkel and French President Francois Hollande just before the summit began. The Kremlin said he asked them to "influence more actively the Ukrainian side" to grant wider autonomy to eastern Ukraine. Moscow has declared its intention to deploy nuclear-capable missiles in Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave between Poland and Lithuania, in response to NATO's activation of a U.S.-built missile shield on Polish soil.

Outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron vowed Britain would not turn its back on European security once it leaves the EU following the Brexit vote. Britain is Europe's biggest military spender, followed by France. Hollande, who has sent French forces on missions against Islamist militants in Mali, the Central African Republic, Iraq and Syria, urged other European allies to increase their defence budgets - veiled criticism of Germany, which spends just over 1 percent of GDP on the military, or half the NATO objective. NATO and the EU signed an agreement on deeper military and security cooperation. The U.S.-led alliance is set to announce on Saturday its support for the EU's Mediterranean interdiction operation. NATO is already backing EU efforts to stem a refugee influx from Turkey into Greece, in conjunction with an EU-Turkey deal to curb migration in return for benefits for Ankara. Stoltenberg also said NATO defence ministers would consider calls from Romania and Bulgaria for a stronger allied air and sea presence in the Black Sea, where Russia has a fleet based in Crimea and is building up its interdiction capacity.
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