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RE: The Positive Side of Nationalism
As an overture to TheMaleBrain, I thought I'd provide some evidence for his perspective.
Chabad in NYC operates a website with the URL: http://crownheights.info
It's a community news website in English. Essentially, it's Jews speaking to and with (in the comments section) other Jews. While one can't conclude that the people in the comments section are all Jews or all Orthodox of the Chabad variety or otherwise, my take on such participation, from reading over the years, is that it is probably at least around 80% if not higher.
Anyway, the comments section reveals a variety of political stances and opinions. Below, I have pasted some of the more relevant comments, to this discussion, from the following well-commented article:
Op-Ed: Why Jews Should Vote for Ted Cruz
What you will notice is what is expected in any nationalist group that might live in a foreign land: a political will that is not certain to come to fruition, some with a preference for group members and many not, and difference of opinion that spans the spectrum.
My only critique is that a preference for Israel's well-being (or any foreign nation's well-being) as a primary concern undermines our national interest, and as such I'd prefer that anyone with such a priority move to the nation that they prioritize in elections.
Otherwise, I mean to show that the Orthodox "Yidden" are a politically diverse group.
What I'd like to see moving forward is a conservative political alliance between conservative members of this group and American nationalists, which would begin with expressions of support moving in both directions.
Perhaps most importantly, I'd like to see conservative Jews denounce and oppose liberal Jews in the spirited and open manner that any non-Jew would oppose a communist of his own ethnic group; and on a large political scale.
If Jews are going to prioritize their liberal/Marxist co-ethnics over non-Jews of a similar conservative values orientation to them, then we have a non-starter as we will never be able to trust conservative Jews with our political well-being.
Simply, Jewish people have to decide if it is genetics or values that matter most. I realize that this is a difficult choice because Marxist Jews are often also Zionist Jews and rabid nationalists, making it difficult to hold them accountable for their diaspora Marxism. However, such analysis is not difficult for non-Jews and we would need conservative Jews to choose what is also best for us if any type of nationalist-conservative alliance is to be formed between Jews and non-Jews.
Below find select comments that are found under the article, listed in chronological order. I copy and paste select comments to approximately comment number 56 of 109. See the comments section under the article for the rest.
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I think Bernie is by far the best option, and Cruz is the second best.
Also, Bernie is best for the US, and Cruz is best for Israel.
Hilary is useless, and Trump is dangerous.
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Please explain why you think that “Bernie is by far the best option.” I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but what in the world is your opinion based on ??
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if sanders wins, bye bye yeshiva and hello public school unless you are willing to cough up what used to be subsidized by the evil rich donating to our scholarship funds. And bye bye RCCS, Chai Lifeline, Bonei Olam etc. etc. as they rely to the 95th percentile (of their charitable revenue) on people making above 250k. When sanders picks their pockets it impacts YOU! Especially a frum Jew who our entire infrastructure is philanthropy based.
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Everyone go to the polls and vote Cruz!
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Most Yidden are registered Democrats.
They won’t be able to vote for Cruz in the primaries. You can’t vote for him unless he’s the Republican nominee. Then you can vote for him in November.
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I used to be a bigger Cruz fan. But he became a proxy if Repub establishment. He has zero percent chance to score anywhere near half the delegates.
If you think that in open convention in round two of voting (think RNC home court advantage) the establishment will let Cruz take it, then you need to have your head examined.
Whether you like Trump or not he is the one with a chance to end the RNC cartel. If Cruz is the real deal, he will benefit from trump presidency (or should I say the RNC downfall?).
Btw, just one food for thought that speaks to Trump’s character (yes I know he has weakness with marital…), when his campaign staffer Cory Lewandowski was accused of Assault (a ridiculous perversion of what true assault victims undergo), Trump stood by his staffer. 99.9% of people in that situation throw their employees under the bus especially when they become a significant PR liability, especially when you’re talking a presidential campaign. The loyalty that he exhibited is very encouraging that Trump will continue being a friend to the Jewish community (think Jewish children and grandchildren).
What you said about israel is in my opinion his counterbalance to his bold anti Islamist stance. As to not be seen as anti Islamic, he is saying he would try to achieve peace in Israel with the Arabs and act as unbiased third party to mediate as to not hinder it. My own opinion is that it’s pure lip service so the Islamic community can’t label him as 100% anti Islam.
Ultimately, Israel has to be pro Israel and elect a Prime minister that doesn’t throw Jews out of their homes (think Ulpana, yes thrown out by traitorous Bibi). So you can elect the writer of this op-ed to POTUS and it wouldn’t matter if Israel is governed by traitorous leaders of Bibi’s ilk.
Regardless, it shouldn’t be a major divisive issue because Lubavitchers aren’t determining the outcome of election so main thing is to get along regardless with our fellow man
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Please. The muiltiple recordings all prove that Lewandowski is 100% guilty. That Trump stood by him just shows what a beheima he is; when you are the victim you will sing a different tune.,
Your appeal to emotion “(a ridiculous perversion of what true assault victims undergo)” is pathetic. Assault means anything that makes someone fear imminent harm. Anyone who has had someone swing a fist at them is an assault victim, and so is Michelle Fields.
And yes, if it goes to a second or third ballot Cruz has a very good chance of winning, because he has been getting is supporters elected as delegates, even if they have to vote for Trump on the first ballot.
As for this “RNC cartel” you rant about, who do you think the Republican Party is? There is no “cartel”, just the people who make up the party, who put themselves into every election, making calls, knocking on doors, donating money, etc. Who else deserves to decide what the party does?
Finally, Lubavitchers can have a significant impact in this primary. Each congressional district elects three delegates, no matter how many Republicans it has. That means a vote here is worth more than 10 times as much as a vote in a heavily Republican area. In 2012, fewer than 3200 Republicans voted in the CD-9 primary; if the same holds true this year, then 640 votes will be enough for a delegate, and 1600 votes will be enough for all three delegates. If every Lubavitcher who is registered as a Republican votes for Cruz, we can get him at least one and perhaps even three.
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This is a very important article. Thank you for writing such a clear case for Ted Cruz and now let’s hope that eligible people will vote for him. Every vote counts!
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Bernie really??!??!?!!
the only thing you can say is that he has integrity as in he means what he says(that’s why he’s better than Hillary and Donald). but so does Cruz. With Bernie are you prepared to give all your money (OK only 90 percent if he had it his way) to the government so that they can give it back to you (and others who don’t work) in the form of bad service?
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Awesome response to @secondbest. Cruz has 559 delegates and picking up steam…. He will be imy”h the nominee on the second ballot. Vote Cruz help save our religious liberty and frumkeit. Keep our bathrooms gender specific, Our shchittah laws intact, and our millah process up to us. End the tyranny of the left. Vote for the proven fighter of religious freedom. TED CRUZ FOR PRESIDENT. ( YEM )
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The Satmar Rebbe SHlita said to vote for Hillery. I know that means voting in a nekayveh for prez but that is the psak.
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Satmar Rebbe is a manhig of a kehilla. The satmar kehilla to be specific. His guidance was to his own flock. Not a psak in halocho to klal yisroel. There is no hilchos politics.
In my opinion it also belittles the satmar rebbe to get involved. I have great respect for the satmar moisdos’s accomplishments, but why would he get involved in politics? The [Lubavitcher] Rebbe never told Chassidim who to vote for. He was a spiritual guide not a political operative or analyst.
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Bernie is jewish
love a jew as yourself
now you rationalize how is better to vote a non jew
Yetzer ara , you don’t realize?
vote for Bernie!
get out of mitzrayim,
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I hope you are being sarcastic or perhaps your trolling, who knows.
Regardless, I would remind you that all the leftist is Israel are Jews as well. The first and second Beth HaMikdush was destroyed because of fellow Jews. Here in Crown Heights it was fellow Jews who did more harm (mesria etc…) to their fellow Jews than the non-Jewish neighbors.
Don’t be naive. Simply being a Jews doesn’t qualify you to be anything, you need to work hard and earn it.
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Bernie cares more about Palestine then Isreal even jillary is better then him when it comes to iIsreal http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/head...htmlBernie is a self hating he didnt even show up toi AIPAC
Cruz for president!!!!!
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2nd best, I agree with you that Mr. Sanders is the best choice. He may be an imperfect man with imperfect plans, but he is no liar. Even his staunchest political opponents — save Clinton –agree.
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Donald Trump gets my vote. Everyone tells me that he voices their too afraid to say out loud feelings. Cruz will just extend the do nothing pointless administrations. And do you really believe he can beat Clinton?
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Cruz is a Dominionist. Why would any Jew vote for a Dominionist?
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So? Are you afraid that what he wants will come to fruition? What exactly are your concerns and worries? Since when have we put a religious test onto people running for office? How easy would it be to write on a Jew running for office… Menachem is a Hasidic Jew (with “extreme views”). Why would any gentile vote for a Hasidic Jew? Thank G-d almighty we have the rule of law and the constitution, otherwise bigots like you would rule with your ill feelings. Stop repeating left wing liberal propaganda! Lastly, for the record: Cruz identifies as Southern Baptist.
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I love the Bernie trolling! Trump lolam voed! I love when someone thinks they understand politics, and writes these האק א טשייניק op-eds.
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The Op-Ed should look more like that being that we are all registerd democrats, who to vote for (hillary or ernie) that will make it easier for the Trump or Cruz to beat. With that said We know that the anti semtic reform jews wont vote for a cruz-trump, but those simple jews who are on the fence and you scare them with saying holocaust blabber and they will probably vote hillary, where as bernie said openly he does not like isreal. So in my opinion go vote for bernie tuesday. Straight out of the democrat playbook.
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If you look on the polls, Cruz is beating Clinton by double digits. Cruz is the only one that has a chance against any democrat/communist!!!!!
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Vote TRUMP
OVERALL is the best by far
TRUMP all the way![/i]
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Yes we r voting for Cruz! We need someone good for the Yidden! Ty for the article!
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Cruz’s only interest in Jews and Israel is that he believes a Jewish return to EY is necessary for Yoshke to come back. After that, he will be happy for Jews to burn in the lake of fire with all the other non-believers. He does not actually care about Jewish interests–Jews are nothing more than a tool to Ted Cruz to make his apocalyptic Xian dominionist belief system come true. Now, of course we know this won’t happen because its not Torah but you really want to cast your vote for someone who thinks like this about Yidden? It’s manipulative and deceitful.
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Stop with the filthy lies. Not a word that you wrote about Cruz is true, and you know it very well. Cruz loves Jews for one simple reason: because the Torah says ואברכה מברכך ומקללך אאור. He believes this 100%, and he wants the brocho and not the klolo.
Cruz loves Jews, but you hate Xians and love atheists. Why do you hate Xians? Sure, they believe in a false god, but at least they also believe in the Creator and the Torah. The Baal Shem Tov said a goy who believes, even in a false god, can be trusted, but one who has no fear of any god may kill you any time he feels like it.
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In my opinion the am hakadosh the yiden (it’s not so respectful to call them Jews) should not vote for Cruze for obvious reasons but the fact that trumps great grandfather was Jewish it’s very not chashov to not vote for him
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What obvious reasons? And since when does Trump have any Jewish yichus at all? All eight of his great-grandparents seem to have been goyim limehadrin min hamehadrin.
(This post was last modified: 07-24-2016 08:39 AM by hydrogonian.)
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