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Male dominance in the animal kingdom
I seem to notice a trend here. Which seems to indicate that the male seems to play a more prominent role the more one moves up the orders of animals. The lower orders like insects seem to be primarily female dominated which seems to correlate with the fact that many eggs can be produced even though sperm is by far the most cheap even at those levels.

It is my hypothesis therefore that the more expensive the eggs and the more investment that is required of the female in offspring the more the disposible males must come to the fore. Hence high order creatures like chimpanzees are male dominated while ants and bees are female dominated.

What do you guys think?
07-21-2016 08:45 AM
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RE: Male dominance in the animal kingdom
Makes sense to me.

It also seems the be a interesting insight given that the unprecedented levels of collectivism we're undergoing has created an inflated female SMV and femcentric legal system.
07-21-2016 09:04 AM
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RE: Male dominance in the animal kingdom
My personal belief is that the ultimate man is the purpose of nature ( evolution).

Ultimate man = man completely free of the feral and egoistical feminine imperative = image of God.

I believe that God created world and programmed it so that it tries to create within itself an image of it's creator.

The lowliest of species are unisex where every being is fully occupied with procreation and survival, the more advanced the species the more different and specialized are the sexes, where female role is the one of mundane procreation and survival, while males develop faculties for more abstract reasoning that require leisure time from the mundane facets of life.

Trough trial and error, nature tries to transcend itself and create a man - a being that is free from egoism and dictate of reproductive needs and feminine imperative - a being of complete altruism and reason.

This is done trough male genetic mutations, therefore male DNA changes significantly trough generations, female DNA changes more conservatively to ensure procreation, but trough daughters of great men female evolution also happens.

The female incorporates the egoistical feral principles needed to survive in the gross materialistic world. Females are needed for reproduction, but must be submissive to males, who perform the great work of moving the species towards the grand goal of evolution

Different, species, civilizations and cultures are different natures swings toward this goal. Each civilization and culture ultimately fails to achieve this ideal, but each next natures attempt is closer to the target.

Evolution does not happen linearly but trough trial and error and swings - experiments of nature. After an attempt is unsuccessful, nature takes a step back to a tested ground and attempts again from there

Humans are currently most advanced species, but we are not complete image of God, we are just in making. Every man must still strive to become a Man, no one is born a Man and no mortal man has reached the ultimate masculinity.

It could be we are not the first and last species nature uses for its goal to replicate Creator's image. If humanity fails to reach the image of God and stops its quest for sanctity and descends into hedonism or reverts beck into worshiping of feminine idols, it will be destroyed. It will either go extinct or devolve into a dead end species like pigs or bonobos, which some assume are devolved beings (therefore so similar to us yet "unclean"). On smaller scale this extinction or devolution has happened with different cultures and civilizations, it can happen in grander scale nature comes to conclusion that humanity as a whole is a model that doesn't have what it takes and the next set of experiments require a new model.

These are beliefs that I have came to from comparing world's religions while also learning about natural laws and gaining red pill life experience.
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07-21-2016 09:46 AM
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RE: Male dominance in the animal kingdom
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How would you define the "feminine idols" of life?

The coming years of technological, artificially assisted reproduction are quickly showing how debased "life" is getting in general ... but as you suggest, wouldn't a big check (financial freedom loss and collapse of economic system) come and possibly overnight neutralize any of these hypermasculinized, individual material whims of the modern western female?

Like societal structure, technology is only available because of men tinkering and tampering, then money leads to progress or regress ...
07-21-2016 10:08 AM
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RE: Male dominance in the animal kingdom
Chimp groups are ruled by a 'high social value' female -- not an 'alpha male'. The males have a hierarchy of their own, but they all take turns fucking the higher value females -- that's why they have massive balls and produce loads of sperm -- to displace that of rivals. They can go up the ranks by successfully mating a high value female.

Orangutans are interesting -- 'dominant males' get the huge facial 'flanges', huge muscle mass, 'cape-like' fur and a massive throat sac. They're some of the most impressive animals on Earth... people talk about silverback gorilla strength, but I've worked with both, and flanged male orangs are so strong that you have to spot-weld nuts on their enclosures, or they just undo them with their fingers – even if you torque them with a scaffold pole on the wrench!

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Not all male orangutans will undergo this second puberty type metamorphosis, and it can be triggered at any age, by the absence of another flanged male.

We had a young male that lived with his Dad, and stayed right around 50kgs, just looked like a rangy female at 12 years-old. Once introduced to a group of females with no other adult male, he grew significant muscle-mass and the secondary sexual characteristics within months.

The flanges seem to act like a megaphone: like when you cup your hands around your mouth to project your voice. Obviously, if you're swinging through the trees, you need both hands, so those flanges do the job of projecting the dominant male's 'long call', which is also aided by the throat sac.

These males are solitary, and the calls of the biggest ones basically suppresses the other males in the area, and tells females which way he's headed – so they can hang out and wait to be mated by him! Then he goes on his merry way.

However, the non-flanged males also get to mate – sort of. They basically act like females until the girls let their guard down, and then employ a 'surprise rape' strategy. They aren't gentle, either!

Interestingly, I worked on a film with an American anthropologist (I can't remember his name) and he gave me this insight, based on his observations over four decades of observing primates in all settings:

In primates that pair monogamously – like Gibbons in the apes and various small monkeys – males and females are hard to tell apart, size-wise and otherwise, visually.

In apes and monkeys where one male takes various female partners, or maintains harems, the male is bigger and carries more muscle mass – is essentially 'weaponised' (I'm British, hence the spelling). The more partners they 'manage' (plates they spin) the bigger the visual dimorphism. Gorillas are a clear example, and Drill Monkeys are the extreme example – they live in 'supergroups' with one massive (four times the size of a female) brightly coloured dominant male with HUGE canine teeth.

Now, we humans are a species of ape. We're also sexually dimorphic – males are meant to be bigger and stronger, right (I'm bigger and stronger than any chick, I guarantee). That implies that, biologically, we are not evolved for monogamy.

By the way – I was one of the guys who shot this birth footage (BE WARNED it's very graphic) and got to know the particular group of orangutans very well.

The male (Dagu) was 130 kgs (like me) and the same age as me – I was startled by the parallels between us, and as tough as I thought I was, this guy was the natural alpha, personified.

The longer I spent around him, the more impressed with him I was. He used just enough energy, or dominance, or effort of any kind, to do anything he had to do... and he handled his business with his girls in a way that any guy would envy.

If he had to, he could summon strength at levels you can't imagine (I saw him pinch grip the lip of a FULL fifty gallon drum of water and throw it across a moat that we used a small boat to cross!), but he could delicately peel the skin off a plum. Unreal creatures... I hate that they are so endangered in the wild.

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07-21-2016 05:47 PM
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RE: Male dominance in the animal kingdom
(07-21-2016 08:45 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  IIt is my hypothesis therefore that the more expensive the eggs and the more investment that is required of the female in offspring the more the disposible males must come to the fore. Hence high order creatures like chimpanzees are male dominated while ants and bees are female dominated.

I challenge the hypothesis.
You have several species were female "dominate" (i.e. Bonobo monkeys) and are "high order".
Every specie has evolved to fit its environment. Generalization are dangerous.

It is true that when the males are less needed, females would probably dominate. But I fail to see how it related to "high order creatures".

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07-22-2016 04:02 AM
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(07-22-2016 04:02 AM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 08:45 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  IIt is my hypothesis therefore that the more expensive the eggs and the more investment that is required of the female in offspring the more the disposible males must come to the fore. Hence high order creatures like chimpanzees are male dominated while ants and bees are female dominated.

I challenge the hypothesis.
You have several species were female "dominate" (i.e. Bonobo monkeys) and are "high order".
Every specie has evolved to fit its environment. Generalization are dangerous.

It is true that when the males are less needed, females would probably dominate. But I fail to see how it related to "high order creatures".

I agree. I think the real question is why. Why are some species male dominant and others not so much?

So I posited a probable hypothesis that it is related to female investment in offspring so that at a certain point that investment in such offspring is so expensive that males are incentivized to come to the fore which is correlated to how complex and high order the creature is.

I do not believe that female dominance is absent from higher order creatures but rather males become more prominent as one moves up the animal kingdom until we get up to humanity at the pinnacle who seems unique among the creatures for being patriarchal at all. So that perhaps female dominance becomes less frequent as female investment in offspring increases.

About Bonobos I agree that they are females dominate although such characteristics seems to have arisen in places of plenty free of predators where instead of war and competition for resources potential conflicts are resolved by sex. And male bonobos who step out of line who cannot be pacified by sex get brutally dismembered by female bonobos.

Whereas chimpanzees have to compete for limited resources and have to contend with predators therefore males are much more prominent. But as earlier commenter pointed out it seems that even chimps have the high-ranking females.

As you said I could be missing a lot of nuance there.
07-22-2016 09:06 PM
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