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False rape accuser Stephanie Raymond gets permission to appeal man's dismissal
Link (French): http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/justice/...1469248725

If anyone remembers her, she was the corporal who falsely accused her boss of rape during a drunken encounter last year. She cried rape, and ultimately, her boss André Gagnon managed to get a dismissal due to lack of evidence proving her lack of consent. The Supreme Court of Canada now granted her permission to appeal the outcome and get a retrial in order to further conceal her slutty behavior.

To summarize the case, she was sitting on a chair, and her boss started flirting her, kissing all her body, and it led to sex on the chair. At no point did she try to avoid / move away, however in court, she pleaded that she wasn't feeling okay with this, and that he should have guessed it.

I hope she will win. We can't force someone with a vagina to take responsibility for their actions.

For some reason I can't find the original news in English, but you can take a look here:
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/29/arm...pe-accuser

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07-23-2016 11:22 AM
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To be fair.

Most of these false rape allegations are work-related.

Unless you're a high status man,
Then it's on 24/7.

Goes to prove the adage,
Don't shit where you eat.
07-23-2016 12:32 PM
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Does Canada not have a double jeopardy law?
07-23-2016 12:49 PM
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Quote:At no point did she try to avoid / move away, however in court, she pleaded that she wasn't feeling okay with this, and that he should have guessed it.

Plays into the thinking that women shouldn't be held responsible for their actions and the onus is on the male population to make sure they do not or did not rape a woman in the eyes of the law.

The same woman would be held accountable for murdering someone or drink driving would she not? The law simply cannot handle female sexuality.
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(07-23-2016 12:49 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Does Canada not have a double jeopardy law?

In Canada I think double jeopardy only applies after conviction or acquittal.

If the case was dismissed as OP stated, different rules apply, this is also the case in the U.S., depending on reason for dismissal and at which point it occurred.

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(07-23-2016 03:18 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 12:49 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Does Canada not have a double jeopardy law?

In Canada I think double jeopardy only applies after conviction or acquittal.

If the case was dismissed as OP stated, different rules apply, this is also the case in the U.S., depending on reason for dismissal and at which point it occurred.

No, Gagnon was acquitted by a military court martial.

In Canada, the Crown is only able to appeal an acquittal if they can demonstrate

a) an error of law was committed, and
b) that error was a factor in the acquittal.

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Canadian double jeopardy:

Quote:The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms includes provisions such as section 11(h) prohibiting double jeopardy. However, this prohibition applies only after an accused person has been "finally" convicted or acquitted. Canadian law allows the prosecution to appeal an acquittal: if the acquittal is thrown out, the new trial is not considered to be double jeopardy, as the verdict of the first trial would have been annulled. In rare circumstances, a court of appeal might also substitute a conviction for an acquittal. This is not considered to be double jeopardy, either – in this case, the appeal and subsequent conviction are deemed to be a continuation of the original trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy#Canada

Note the focus on the "continuation of the original trial". Appeals are considered to be a review of the correctness of a lower court's decision.
07-23-2016 04:31 PM
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This is serious question:

If you are a man and you have sex with a woman, how can you prove you did not rape her?

If a girl can merely say that in her own mind she didn't consent despite the fact that she participated in the act unobjectionably, and that is grounds for a court case and possibly even a conviction - how can one even legally have sex?
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Canada: A country of about 35 million people, with at least 10% over 60, yet the amount of false reports of sexual assault from the women are disproportionately high, and it even gets more higher in major cities like Toronto which only has a population of 2.5 million metro limits, and about 6 million people anywhere within a 100 mile radius.

It is every man's imperative who lives out of Canada, to read these news stories and court cases, to understand what happens when feminism goes out of control, because these types of allegations are not dealt with in a legalese perspective as with other crimes, but in a feministe lens with Draconian punishment for the accused despite the "Innocent before proven guilty" mantra which is preached in the Western democratic world.

What is the end game now in Canada, with all of these false allegations? It's like nearly every week in Canada some man is falsely accused of a sex crime this year 2016.
07-24-2016 12:07 AM
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@ General Stalin.

Pay for consent.

That's not legal sex.

But a solicitation charge is the lesser of two evils.
The other being a felony rape.
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I wager my question is a real stumper... which is incredibly fucked up.

Realize that "rape" is now a crime where the accused is basically considered guilty unless proven innocent. If a woman can merely say she didn't want it, then that is practically evidence enough. Her word over yours, and in a time where everyone is rape-crazy, your word is not worth much because a judge/jury has already decides you are evil for merely being in a courtroom on a sexual assault charge in the first place.

There is a lot of hysteria on these boards sometimes about rape-paranoia where any lay at any time could result in a false rape charge and at best get you fired or kicked out of school and at worst land you in jail and on the RSO list. Echo chamber thinking aside - I've banged a lot of girls in my lifetime thus far and have never had fear of this happening really, and it never has.

That said, I understand it can happen and it does happen to some men.

I think it's important to realistically discuss that what and how of protecting oneself in such a situation.
07-24-2016 11:37 AM
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(07-24-2016 12:07 AM)RBerkley Wrote:  Canada: A country of about 35 million people, with at least 10% over 60, yet the amount of false reports of sexual assault from the women are disproportionately high, and it even gets more higher in major cities like Toronto which only has a population of 2.5 million metro limits, and about 6 million people anywhere within a 100 mile radius.

It is every man's imperative who lives out of Canada, to read these news stories and court cases, to understand what happens when feminism goes out of control, because these types of allegations are not dealt with in a legalese perspective as with other crimes, but in a feministe lens with Draconian punishment for the accused despite the "Innocent before proven guilty" mantra which is preached in the Western democratic world.

What is the end game now in Canada, with all of these false allegations? It's like nearly every week in Canada some man is falsely accused of a sex crime this year 2016.

Yeah, no kidding. Canada has been on my shit list for a long time; which is too bad because it has lots of potential.

They also have:

1. Legal marriage by cohabitation after 6 months (I think)
2. Absurd child support laws (Dave Foley)
3. Committed a multi-level witch hunt against Roosh.

Then I saw how Parliament went apeshit after the PM accidentally brushed/elbowed some broad and he took a public shaming because god forbid, he touched a female for a second!

The USA is probably gonna look similar to Canada on the feminist/absurd laws/culture front in 5-10 years if Hillary gets elected. So you better vote Trump!

(07-24-2016 11:37 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  I think it's important to realistically discuss that what and how of protecting oneself in such a situation.

My post on what to do from a recent thread on the topic. I've been in the trenches so my experience is not purely based on academic or hypothatical thought:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57090...pid1353053
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